The Book of Jonah: Fact or Fiction?

[@jeremytennent7439]

Very interesting, it's nice to have archeology confirm the Bible, but we believe by faith not sight. Thanks for your hard work

[@ThomasFuchs7]

I think you mean „(for we walk by faith, not by sight;)“ That is right, but out of the Context and does not quite fit here.

[@ThomasFuchs7]

@@JMill-bj4lz Well… Mostly. But context is very important. And that thees 8 Words stand in Brackets also. As for Example Mk 7,3+4 Lk 2,35a Joh 1,15 Acts 1,18+19 Gal 2,3+8 1Thes 3,3b+4; 4,15-18 1Cor 8,1b-3; 15,20-28 2Cor 3,7-16; 6,2; 13,3b+4 Romans 1,2 (which he had before promised by his prophets in holy writings,) 3 concerning his Son (come of David's seed according to flesh, 4 marked out Son of God in power, according to [the] Spirit of holiness, by resurrection of [the] dead) Jēsu Chrisu our Lord; 3,5 (I speak according to human way.) 5,13-17 9,11 [the children] indeed being not yet born, or having done anything good or worthless (that the purpose of God according to election might abide, not of works, but of him that calls), Eph 1,20c-23 (1,3-2,3 is the longest sentence in the Bible) 3,2( 3( 4) 21) 4,1 continues from 3,1 …

[@jeanneamato8278]

Fascinating. You are all so important. I get so excited to receive your publication.

[@SoothingSounds-kq6yg]

Interesting. According to my sources, the only 2 contenders that I can see would be the Fin and Sperm whales. However, Chris is correct when he says that Fin whales are filter feeders and their esophagus is too small to accommodate an adult human. Leaving only the Sperm whale as the logical candidate. Blue whales are not found in the Mediterranean Sea, and they're filter feeders as well.

[@michaelwho3284]

On the Fish topic , imagine how much longer lived sea creatures were in the water and how much bigger they could’ve been back then not being as heavily hunted by man. The largest whale shark modern times have on record according to ZSL was 66ft/20m 😱

[@happycook6737]

Every word in the Bible is true and trustworthy!

[@hubfilm]

there are two creation stories in the Bible. They are different in a number of ways. They both cant be true..if by that you mean factual. what do you mean by true?

[@hubfilm]

What do you mean by truth?

[@hubfilm]

Truth is not the same as fact. All facts are true but not all truths are facts.

[@hubfilm]

@JMill-bj4lz The gospels are not biographies of Jesus. They are not interested in telling a factual account of Jesus life . They are documents of Faith. Anyone with a year or 2 of theology under their belt know that to be the case. My grade ten students understand this. Let me ask you this question. Did Jesus climb a mountain to proclaim the beatitudes? If you answer yes, I would say that according to Luke, he comes down from a place to a level plain and gives the beatitudes. You are thinking of Matthew's account. Well, it can't be both one of them has to be true, and one of them has to be false. How can they both be true? Because when I say they're both true I'm not talking about factual historical truth. Matthew of course. Has Jesus climb a mountain? Because he's writing to a Jewish audience, and he wants to make a connection between Moses and Jesus. On the other hand luke is writing to a Greek non-jewish Gentile audience. So he has Jesus come down from the mountain onto a plain and gives the beatitudes to a large crowd of people. So they are truthful, but they're not factual.

[@jakelaudert4098]

The stories told by seamen of old are NOT far fetched. With a few years of fishing in some of the most remote places on the Bearing Sea, I’ve seen some of God’s creation up close and personal. Pretty impressive and thats on the tail end of man’s destruction of our Oceans. Can only imagine what our oceans were like back then.

[@ThatDudeLarzFoo-ah]

The Ricinus plant has been linked as being the interpretation of the Gourd written of in the final act of the scriptures, and I’ve always been fascinated by the connection to castor oil and the medicinal qualities that ointment has could easily be linked to Jonah’s ailments and discomfort that could be related to the post traumatic experience of being hypodermically damaged from his unconventional nautical expedition. 🤔

[@ThatDudeLarzFoo-ah]

Hypo ? Hyper ? Both probably. Lol

[@andreguedesnina2469]

Got to say thanks for sharing so much information.

[@JacquyMengal2194]

I good interview to begin the shabbat. Thank you !

[@honorablevessel]

Love this in-depth stuff. Keep it up.

[@timothyhowie6171]

Folks, the Jonah story is also a resurrection story. Om River Christian channel..God bless

[@Boro0820]

Jonah said “out of the belly of Sheol I cried”. If we take Sheol for its meaning, Jonah was dead and brought back to life.

[@mo0nstonegirl]

Interesting!

[@ThatDudeLarzFoo-ah]

Amen❤

[@ThomasFuchs7]

Let us say living dead. Nearly dead. He was very sic because the lack of air and the dtomachacids and so on. If we compare this to a man, who had a similar experience, then we can understand this. The dead do not need to pray. Of cause Sheʾōl means the realm of the dead. The Hadēs. It is divided in the Paradise/with Chrístos/the bosom of ʾAbrāhām and the Abyssos/ʾAbaddōn (for Deamons called the Prison or Tataros). But very often it means the Grave: Yaʿaqōb thought his Sons would bring his grey hair there, every time in ʿIyyōb with perhaps 1 exception, all times when it is said, that there is no thinking or doing and so on ...

[@chancylvania]

Or he’s just speaking poetically about being dead, which he must think he is (and probably wanted to be)

[@ThomasFuchs7]

@@chancylvania Yes. See above.

[@vdoniel]

I really like your content however using the acronym bce is annoying and insulting.

[@CaribouDataScience]

Setting aside the question as to rather It was fish or a whale. What is interesting is that in one verse the word for fish is feminine and in another verse it is masculine.

[@victoriagreyh1463]

Yeah, we get it. No wonder Jonah didn't want to go into Nivea- He didn't want to be skinned alive and have his head on a pole. I get that; but, I also get the love and protection of the Lord for His messengers and how God would want repentance or destruction.

[@integrationalpolytheism]

12:00 are you just saying this because the dimensions given in Jonah are obviously unbelievably large, so you have to find some convoluted way to make it work? Because if, as you say, this book is parody, then why wouldn't it exaggerate the size of Ninevrh to comic proportions? If nothing else, it's one of the tip-offs that it's parody in the first place.

[@-dirk-65]

Great conversation, but a critique: does God know the difference between fish & whales? Do seagoing mariners? If Holy Scripture states FISH, why look at whales? The Mediterranean Sea is known to hold great white sharks. They have found incredibly LARGE animals, unchewed, in their bellies. Further, it has been fairly recently discovered (less than 100 years) that this species of shark can withhold food swallowed for digestion at a later time, even days later. If we casually add critical features to the Word of God, can we blame heathens for doing the same with homosexuality, the Commandments, or any other verse they happen to dislike or find inconvenient? How about WE believe God?

[@briangent5342]

Bill Cooper's 'The authenticity of the book of Jonah' identifies the animal as a 'horse-headed' or 'dog-headed' sea monster, later described in Roman accounts and elsewhere. Worth a read.

[@-dirk-65]

@Brian Gent Interesting way to avoid the question. Might as well call yourself Mormon, or Muslim: they cut & add to THE Holy Bible, too. 'As for me & my house', WE will Let Scripture interpret Scripture. 'Let every man be a liar & God's Word the Truth- seems simple doesn't it!

[@shevawnbasye7404]

Since God made the fishes and the marine mammals (i.e. whales) He does know the difference. And since Since God is outside of time, he also knew that Jonah would be in the fish three days before being thrown up on the shore.

[@-dirk-65]

@Shevawn Basye Thanks for the response, sir. Jesus used the incident of Jonah to describe what HE would accomplish for the whole world. He didn't survive the belly of the fish. God rose him from the dead in front of 250,000 witnesses. Ash & sacloth for the King, the people & their animals as evidence of true repentance. More than skin like a prune was demonstrated that day & the people took note. Jesus was the fulfillment of Jonah, because He raised Himself.

[@briangent5342]

​@@-dirk-65 I suggest you read Bill Cooper's book

[@johnslaughter5475]

I heard that the fish might have been a great grouper.

[@integrationalpolytheism]

Why would we just assume the Masoretes didn't want to include parody or comedy in the bible? Any evidence for that?

[@januddin8068]

Very good. It’s hard to find academically flavored treatments of the book of Jonah. There’s only really sermons based on it

[@vernealmaze6659]

The Bible says a great fish(not a whale) swallowed Jonah

[@ILikeYouUC]

Yes, I was going to highlight that same fact. Apparently whales do not have big enough passageways from their mouths to stomachs to accommodate a grown man. But we know that hundreds or thousands of creatures have gone extinct over the millenia, including huge fish. And of course, since God created a super-long day for Joshua's Israelites to fight, caused a donkey to speak with human sound, etc., it's possible that he made a fish specifically to handle this Jonah-swallowing task (whether a whole type [which would be my guess] or just one specific fish)!

[@honorablevessel]

It also says that God "prepared" a fish. That means he may well have physically altered it. God can do water he wants.

[@ThomasFuchs7]

It could have been a Pott Whale or a Whale Shark. A Bluewhale naturally not. Out of the given Reason. 1918; 1931; 1939 similar Events WILDER-SMITH, A.E.: Ein Naturwissenschaftler auf der Kanzel, 5. erweiterte und überarbeitete Auflage, Berneck 1983, S. 79ff.; GOTTWALDT, W.: Wissenschaft contra Bibel, 3. Aufl., Bad Liebenzell 1971, S. 61-64

[@Solivisor]

Sounds like some of the horrific deeds that Hamas did on Oct.7.24

[@jasonvigh7109]

Another angle of viewing the story of Jonah and indeed the sign of Jonah is in geometry and mathematics. 153 Armstrong number and triangular number can be imposed into the circle and vesica pisces and it can be seen that 72 or three days and nights is both in the belly of the fish and also the heart of the Earth. kzbin.infoinReFFsXS_E?feature=share

[@steveteele2708]

God “prepared “a great fish. Not a whale. The text says a great fish not a whale. It was a special situation for Jonah.

[@shimmyhinnah]

You describe the Assyrians more like the Aztecs.

[@honorablevessel]

The Assyrians were just as evil, but they were are a far more dominating military force in their day and time. I think the "average" Assyrian was worse than the "average" Aztec(ian?).

[@terranceramirez4816]

@@honorablevesselthe big difference between the Assyrian Empire and the Aztec Empire is that the Assyrians used violence for psychological purposes to intimidate enemy and vassal states and populations, whereas Aztec human sacrifice was for religious purposes.

[@integrationalpolytheism]

6:00 it doesn't say "whale" at all, and furthermore, whales are mammals, not fish. This is basic. Critical reading of the text means not fluffing over the details. Am I supposed to have confidence in everything else this guy says now?

[@CarvinHGoldstone]

The mental gymnastics that’s needed to make this story add up is probably the biggest red flag that this is fiction

[@bradf4399]

The bible is very clear that it is a fish not a whale

[@ThomasFuchs7]

Yes. But in ʾIbrīth there is no Difference. A Whale is a Fish, as well as an Eel.

[@abigailfoster2467]

Assyria sounds like Hamas October 7th, 2024.

[@FlipStillRules]

Doesn't Jesus mention Jonah as well?

[@ThatDudeLarzFoo-ah]

We’ll see the signs 🪧

[@ThomasFuchs7]

This was said in the Beginning of the Video. When they say 2, they mean in the THaNaKH.

[@jonahmichaelpoland]

🕊️👸©️

[@ralphrotten9030]

Sure did

[@brettadams7423]

First eclipse had hurricane Jonah on East Coast whales beaching selves on west coast,since then man swallowed by whale,next eclipse soon,intersects at little Egypt USA

[@ArchangelMichaelHolySpirit]

🪔 Metaphor, study Aramaic idioms 🙏

[@deafprophet]

Sackcloth is lepra

[@barnabasmassey2467]

I was thinking there would be something interesting. But this a waste of time. Very useless

[@ThatDudeLarzFoo-ah]

Was there anything of interest you’d care to add to the discussion? Anything in particular you’re interested in or would like to explore further?

[@januddin8068]

@@ThatDudeLarzFoo-ah he was hoping to get a free fish supper out of it

[@ThatDudeLarzFoo-ah]

@@januddin8068 Sign me up. Lol

[@andreaz3223]

Clearly we listened to different talks. I found it very interesting especially the hiatus of Assyrians going to war. Nineveh has literally been thoroughly explored by the Archeologists. I've just watched a fascinating podcast where on the walls in the great hall of the king of Assyria (in the capital, Nineveh), in relief shows the defeat of Lachish and 3 leaders of Lachish who had been impaled alive (as the inscription on the walls details). The account is given in 2 Kings 18: 13-17

[@deafprophet]

What if Jonah was captured and held as captive inside a ship?

[@TheGuitarReb]

What if Jonah was taken by a USO, brain washed and released on shore?

[@deafprophet]

@@TheGuitarReb or by USS Liberty?

[@TheGuitarReb]

Jonah was asleep on a boat and had a bad dream about a big fish. @@deafprophet

[@integrationalpolytheism]

29:00 and of course he had air and food and everything for three days because.... Why are you talking about this fairy story as if it's plausible history? It's making you look utterly ridiculous.