Melee - Defeat of the Gods (as of July 2015)

[@xD1x]

Loved the video. Wish it had names of all the tournaments they beat the gods. Also gee whiz, I screamed a lot back then.

[@WilliamKwon]

+xD1x D1 :0 Yeah, I wish I put in the names of all the tournaments, date, and whether it was a BO3 or a BO5. I feel like I'll make a sequel to this video eventually when this video gets too outdated. Then, I'll make sure to put all the information down.

[@alexzhang5405]

Are you implying you don't scream a lot now bro lol

[@xD1x]

+Alex Zhang I dont.

[@ThexArtz]

+xD1x pls do again.

[@Sabereaper]

+xD1x Ehhh dem Destruction's be loud when you do

[@beauhendershot7911]

I know this was 7 years ago but FUN FACT: Fiction is the only person in smash history to defeat mew2king in Melee and Brawl

[@yeet159]

armada was taken out the least

[@BrickNGames]

frankieg Probably because he only goes to America for nationals.

[@AlejandroGonzalezC]

***** Pretty unfair for you to say that. The other gods have been defeated in nationals with Armada also assisting. The fact that Armada doesn't lose to smashers outside top5 is well known and admired.

[@BrickNGames]

***** SilentSpectre and Captain Jack he has lost to who are not top 5

[@AlejandroGonzalezC]

***** Are you serious dude? I was obviously referring after he established himself as one of the 5 gods. He also lost to amsah but that's not the point.

[@patelkedar]

frankieg This is true. Armada doesn't easily lose to those outside top 6. In fact, he hardly loses at all. The only rogue losses he had were SS and CJ. People say that's why he won Evo 2014... he doesn't have weaknesses against Samus and chaingrabbing Sheiks.

[@WolfHunner]

"Do it now Gohan!"

[@MidnaTwiliProfile]

Many people have defeated all of the gods BUT Armada... Except for Leffen The battle of the Sweeds

[@apocalypseap]

+Zelda Gamer Eevee He kind-of has the most experience against Armada, for obvious reasons. That could be a big part of why he's the first outside of the 4 other Gods to take any sets off him, Amsah is a weird case though.

[@XxSoulGamerzxX]

+apocalypseap Amsah was one of the top European players so it makes sense that he would beat him at least once, like Leffen.

[@apocalypseap]

Soul Gamers Ah okay that also makes sense then. You'd eventually take a set if you played someone enough.

[@Cres99]

Leffen shits on armada the most

[@apocalypseap]

+Umbasa but armada has the most consistent record against everyone else, and he doesn't lose to Samus... so it's a toss-up at best.

[@CoBeX31]

How is Mango's Falcon not considered sandbagging?

[@XxSoulGamerzxX]

Very well put together video. I was unaware that Wobbles also has beaten 4 gods.

[@God001111]

Soul Gamers most of them at one tournament too

[@sambailey4478]

+Soul Gamers Yeah well I can imagine Wobbles beating all of the time because it is literally zero to death from 1 grab (very very very stupid character imo, but very hard to master)

[@zboo1342]

+Sam Bailey nah I love wobbles but he'll never beat armada because the Peach vs IC matchup is like 70-30 in Peach's favor

[@ArchHades]

Captain Jack and KDJ are old school gods, so it's not that surprising.

[@michellemccarthy932]

Same as Ken

[@LordrikZ]

+Michelle McCarthy Ken is the King

[@iiMisterLonely]

+Ang3rF1st Not considering he doesn't top anymore.

[@snoewolf]

chillendude too right?

[@cellgoondude]

+Temura Reiko Nope. Just KDJ, PC Chris, Ken, and Cpt Jack. Chillin is eh... He's the top echelon but not a god or a king.

[@kirjian]

Say what you will, but Armada is the best god out there

[@apocalypseap]

+kirjian Most consistent against non-Gods, definitely. GOAT? I dunno about that.

[@kirjian]

apocalypseap best god, not goat :P

[@roshipower]

+apocalypseap Armada might be the GOAT. It's hard to claim anyone as the GOAT tho

[@apocalypseap]

TheFlyingCule Yeah he might end up as GOAT if he keeps it up.

[@csalgado1717]

+kirjian i believe armada is the best consistency wise. After that i believe if every god were to play their very best mang0 would undoubtably be the best. Then again mang0 is way less consistent

[@ImpossibleCarl69]

we need an update

[@AutokickOff]

Crazy that it wasn't until over 2 years after this video that someone else could say they'd taken a set off all 5 of these players. Even crazier that it was someone who only had 2 wins on them in this video, and also sports a positive record over Leffen

[@DammitBobby]

I would love to see this updated every year.

[@TheSkyrux]

ChuDat is one of the Ancient gods since he used to be best in the world.

[@Mrwizard-zr6gc]

He was once very very good but not the best. One of the best, just not the best

[@TheSkyrux]

Mrwizard3234 He was top 2 in the world. Its still god tier.

[@plaguedoctor3782]

+thehaxfactory Tossed out? What do you mean, banned from all tournies permanently or something?

[@TheSkyrux]

Plague Doctor Did you even watch the documentary?

[@plaguedoctor3782]

Skyrux I've been busy.

[@BizerkPixel]

4:06 that scream gets me every time.

[@firemblem01]

update as of November 7th 2015: Plup takes a set off PPMD at Smash the Summit.

[@MadMaxBass]

Want a drinking game? Drink every time you hear "and *insert God here* is going into loser's bracket"

[@WilliamKwon]

+Bill W. That's up to you to decide. That's why I marked which ones were Scorp and which ones were Mang0.

[@cloudyej7535]

Leffen beat scorp

[@MadSpace]

+William Kwon I just made a comment referring to Scorp and mango and this comment answers my question lol

[@jonnyfarias]

+William Kwon I hope you make an update to this :P

[@WilliamKwon]

eventually

[@rmdvm1228]

+William Kwon can you at least update the description?

[@TransitionWords]

At 3:30 didn't Mang0 sandbag in his match against MikeHaze?

[@ethanshaw1972]

I'd love to see this updated at some point

[@PBoDyCampaign]

I'm really enjoying these videos.

[@MadSpace]

Do people really count the sets where mango mainly used Mario and Falcon? You know in terms if Mango was playing to his peak skill, mental capacity and if he took the tournament seriously, whether the set was close or not.

[@stevenhart1192]

I'm probably in the minority, but I've grown to like HBox the least. It seems recently he's become cocky and more of a douche, moving in the opposite direction of Leffen. Mango will always be my favorite just because he's Mango, but HBox just seems to be a sour guy nowadays.

[@sankang9001]

Meh, I still love HungryBox, him and Mew2King are probably my favorites. However I see it differently, I've always disliked Mango. He is hands down the most cocky out of the gods, has a fair bit of trash talk, and is just not a good person, well at least IMO.

[@stevenhart1192]

Yeah, I get that. I just don't like HBox's personality as much as Mango. Mango trash talks, but a lot of the time it's in a funny way/conversation (like the Leffen interview at smash con).

[@servantofcygnus]

+Steven Hart >moving in the opposite direction of Leffen >2 days ago: leffen says on a stream that its hard for him to not 3\4 stock m2k >1 day ago: m2k 3-0's leffen twice at pax, winners side then grand finals, effectively 6-0ing leffen with three different characters >1 day ago: "bo3" johns

[@servantofcygnus]

+Steven Hart but hbox is more ego than leffen, none of my business :vvv

[@apocalypseap]

+Regal Killager Lmao so true. Leffen has his head so far up his ass he can stick it out of his mouth, but it'd still be in his ass.

[@neucetnt8410]

Did I just watch chillin take a set off of mango?

[@StrayJello]

Ken and Isai will probably always be my favourite smashers

[@mufncake]

These really needs an updated version asap

[@michaelwaters1358]

The only thing I wish you had included was a mark for whether it was a best of 3 or a best of 5. Best of 5 wins are significantly more impressive than a best of 3. But overall, really well made video. Thanks for posting it.

[@WilliamKwon]

Michael Waters What I regret is not putting the tournament name and date of each set.

[@apocalypseap]

+Michael Waters Bo5 wins aren't "significantly" more impressive. That's pure conjecture and your comment indicates you most likely want to be Leffen's boyfriend.

[@Reborn2-27]

+apocalypseap That's a very ignorant statement, especially considering everyone can have their own opinion. I don't watch much melee but obviously if you fight somebody more times than that shows you have even more skill. If somebody fought Mango for 20 games and won every time they would be insanely good, but if someone beat Mango 25 games in a row he would be marginally better than if they only beat him 20 times in a row.

[@apocalypseap]

Falco Tier One I said aren't significantly more impressive. It's slightly better but no one can provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt it would affect the outcome of a match. Bo5 is better because I like more melee, that's my reason for liking Bo5 more than Bo3. Using Bo3 as an excuse to why someone lost is a john.

[@Reborn2-27]

apocalypseap Yeah, you could call it a john.

[@cam-ix2cl]

Honestly, Leffen is a god. I understand this video did not include him, but I think he should be viewed as a god today.

[@IcyInferno11]

Armada the only one not consistantly getting beat

[@roshipower]

7 years without dropping a set to a non-god. What a legend

[@sean4850]

+Just Ryan leffen? he lost to leffen

[@roshipower]

sean I wasn't counting Leffen, but you are right

[@adamice2526]

My boi plup has beaten all 5 gods at this point, what a legend

[@MadSpace]

Didn't Westballz also beat mango at Mayhem? and Sandstorm?

[@WilliamKwon]

+MadSpace I'm just counting one of each. Plup has beaten Hbox numerous times. Wobblez has beaten Mew2King several times. Etc.

[@MadSpace]

William Kwon gotcha

[@kid2174]

Most of these weren't with there character mains

[@spookyshark632]

I miss the gods. I hate watching Hbox win every tournament.

[@Vdoggg]

I think there was a time were KDJ/M2k were equally good at this game, and the "gods" term wasn't really a thing back then either with that said, awesome video

[@d4c_reznor470]

What does Kira have to do to become a god?

[@serenityrivera7592]

Can we just consider Axe a God already? He's been taking sets for years. With a mid tier. He's actually amazing.

[@sayr8843]

God is an ERA title. which means, its established and will not change. That's why Leffen is not a god and never will be. If Axe was around the same spot as the 5 gods around 2011 to 2016 present (which would be from the range 1-6 for 4 years), then he would be a god. But he wasn't. Just like Leffen, so isn't and will never be a god. That's why nowadays we use the modern term 'top 6' when also referring to Leffen (who is basically a notable to win tournaments now). And not '6 gods' because that's historically incorrect.

[@cself9976]

this was uploaded on my birthday :)

[@icebear6757]

12:38 - leffen looks so smug omg im dying help

[@lil2Gutzthefalcondemigod]

KirbyKaze is #1 in the power rankings over here in Toronto, I'm not surprised lol

[@Seank7]

He's our best.

[@MrRBgunner21]

Wobbles needs to play seriously at a super major again so theres the possibility that him and Armada could meet in bracket and he could become the second player to take out all 5 gods. That'd be nice.

[@percteryx3992]

Wobbles solo mains ic's and peach is a hard counter to ic's so it'll never happen.

[@cheeseecheese]

but have they won any majors?

[@FM360]

Make an update to this please

[@apolmedrano3914]

Make a updated one please

[@evanrubenstein1874]

This video should have been call Ragnorokk: The Death of the Gods

[@seanathan1]

when will we see 2016

[@ChaiRockyy]

Can you plz make an update

[@chocobokei2708]

ken the king of smash forever !!!

[@chiefsokka7789]

It's always nice seeing them lose to the other great players

[@SuperEddieboy3]

what is scorpionmaster?

[@LoganSSBM]

What's the song that plays when Ken shows up?

[@WilliamKwon]

Hylian Link Square Off by APM Music. I'll add that to the description.

[@christopherperez9471]

hey william can u do a recent onem

[@swatteam93]

Make a 2016 version

[@solismax65]

I'm mean before the term smash gods was made. If it was there in 06 captain jack would of been one too. Including Korean dj. Also since a lot of these clips are really old

[@thefurrysmasher5774]

Hax seems like a very respectful man. gg

[@EinFalseblood]

I Feel like Zero should get some recognition for being practically a god in Smash 4.

[@austinpedro3850]

This is a melee video about players who defeated the 5 melee gods. Zeros the #1 smash 4 player but he hasnt beaten any of the gods so there really isnt a point to mentioning him on this video

[@edm2236]

+Austin Pedro Didn't ZeRo take a set from Armada at MLG?

[@austinpedro3850]

Edmund Marco he took a game, not a set. mightve beaten him in pm tho

[@GalletaGalletosa]

Mango is the worst god of all, he loses a lot and when he do is always a jhon like "hes not trying"

[@sayr8843]

Most of Mango's loses were as Falcon and Mario, in which he was sandbagging because he's not using his mains. His loses as Fox and Falco are legit as he's using his mains.

[@d4c_reznor470]

Sayr he lost as Jiggs to a Ganon

[@patricksmiff9648]

Mango's Falcon should be considered sandbagging

[@Mylezy12]

Between the creation of this video and now all Plup has to do is beat Armada and he has beaten all 5 Gods. That is not easy though lol.

[@neucetnt8410]

Tbh ken probably would have defeated all the gods if mango and m2k weren't the only gods competing at top level back then.

[@Jimmy-fu3lq]

You can add PPMD for Plup

[@cygnus8047]

Leffen's face at 13:57 lol holy fuck

[@daikumi]

Lucky was soo close to being the first one to beat all the gods of melee

[@daikumi]

he just needed armada

[@LimitBlade617]

"..there has been some players outside of the Gods who have been able to sets off these five." Did you mean "who have been able to take sets off these five."?

[@ERGTDK]

Yoo, Krbykaze used to be sooooo good dude

[@Chumunga]

too bad leffen hasn't beaten SCORP

[@allenliang4169]

Where's our update?

[@WilliamKwon]

lmfao bruh I'm never updating this most likely

[@MidnaTwiliProfile]

Lucky looks like JonTron

[@kovassb7050]

Didn't know Lucky is just one God away from beating all of them

[@Antiple]

If only these gods met Isai and Ken in their prime

[@master_productions]

Damn Armada is too damn good, he only lost like 3 times

[@rollwithem]

Didn't Plup just beat Leffen the day after he beat Mango?

[@WilliamKwon]

rollwithem Yes but he's not seen as one of the Gods in this video. Rather, he's the only guy to have taken down all five original Gods.

[@nachoman6899ify]

+William Kwon what about westballz?

[@WilliamKwon]

Westballz is in this video beating HungryBox and Mang0.

[@nachoman6899ify]

He hasn't beaten Armada or mew2king though?

[@WilliamKwon]

Westballz has never beaten Armada, Mew2King, or PPMD to my knowledge.

[@Reborn2-27]

12:10 M2K is not having it

[@dripsensei6530]

Who is the fourth from the left?

[@gamesnguns2910]

Armada

[@realityofimagination]

+ÆR0_Zo0m (Speed of light) PPMD

[@MikiSayaka]

+games n' guns Left is that way.

[@yeetloaf7247]

i like how wobbles beats almost every god at evo

[@imsayinb]

what's sandbagging?

[@sayr8843]

It's when you deliberately not play your best. An obvious sign of someone sandbagging is when they don't play their main. So, in that sense, M2K was sandbagging vs. Toph as he was playing Roy. Mango is sandbagging whenever he goes Falcon or Mario or anyone else aside from Fox or Falco, his mains.

[@billw.5397]

Does beating Scorp count? Scorp isn't a god.

[@FireKenan]

I WAS ONE OF THEM. NAME MYSELF THE GOD KILLER.

[@RoseFielden]

Wait HugS hasnt' beaten any of them?

[@WilliamKwon]

+Smoof If you want to count Leffen, he's beaten him at Press Start. HugS also beat Mang0 at a UCLA Monthlies V but Mang0 was sandbagging and the set wasn't recorded.

[@lawrencegunnell7890]

+William Kwon You say that but at the same time you included a lot of Scorp Mario wins as if it was really legitimate... I mean great, you're good enough to beat his Mario... that's not really the same as beating him in even matchups. You don't see Mango's Mario beating any of the other gods, so it's not really a point of comparison.

[@WilliamKwon]

If you don't want to count wins against the Scorpion Master, don't. He's marked with the Scorpion Master X for that reason. I included other sandbagging losses here if they were recorded.

[@CoBeX31]

+William Kwon Didn't HugS beat Leffen at DHW? Or was that Duck?

[@WilliamKwon]

HugS beat Leffen at Press Start Plup beat Leffen at EVO 2015 Duck beat Leffen at Dreamhack Winter

[@BFGover9000]

6:16 Mah B-Air

[@seanpowers8199]

KDJ used to be a god, right?

[@arturocarrillo8045]

Im so salty Lucky didn't beat Armada at that Heir :/

[@cooper1431]

Right now I dont think that the same people can beat them xD

[@cloudyej7535]

I see 1 missing Kirby Kazes beat m2k

[@83cuicui]

Plup and axe Only Armada is left

[@BigLadpenguin]

0:44

[@billw.5397]

AND HE PRESSES RRRRRRR

[@God001111]

a lot of these, like leffen, have beaten the gods in better ways since the first time. as in, the set where leffen beats armada the first time, it was impressive but not THAT impressive. honestly i don't think any historian would mind if instead you just showed leffen vs armada at paragon, or big house. and shroomed has beaten mango again in a recorded set at ceo, and since this video contains clips from evo 2015, it's definitely post-ceo 2015... why didn't you include shroomed vs mango at ceo 2015?

[@WilliamKwon]

Uuriu Oh dang, I was unaware that the match between Shroomed and Mang0 at CEO was recorded. Unfortunately, I can't really change the video now but I will add an annotation. Thanks. And the reason I just showed the first time Leffen beat his opponents was just a personal choice to make making this video easier.

[@DraftyLoki]

People say Leffen will become a god. Wobblez had a chance but sadly he retired after Evo 2013, beating 3 gods at that tournament. I hope Wobblez does come back and destroys Leffen.

[@sayr8843]

The Five Gods is an established title that cannot change. Leffen will always be known as the god slayer/first person to defeat all the gods or when we refer to him and the gods we say 'top 6'. if leffen was top 6 for 4 years like the gods from 2011-2016 then he would've been a god. but he wasn't. wobbles I don't see coming back despite his impressive wins lately. but that all makes up for the terrible national placings and losses he's also had.

[@DraftyLoki]

+Kawaii Wobbles just had to beat Armada but he retired in 2013 so he could have been the first god slayer.

[@sayr8843]

alex gomes Wobbles would never beat Armada no matter what the era is. Wobbles would've lost to retired Armada at EVO 2013 if they faced but luckily Armada lost to PPMD, making Wobbles face PPMD instead. No offense, but Armada would NEVER lose to an ice climbers and never has. When wobbles did face Armada later on he got fucked.

[@saotomebuster]

RIP my speaker

[@RoryRenee24]

You forgot about Leffen. He's a god too

[@ryanknippel828]

He's considered a demi-god.

[@Zadamanim]

+BCSM Leffen is considered the god-slayer, check out the description.

[@ironewinsley6572]

wait is dr.peepee and ppmd the same person?

[@WilliamKwon]

+Irone Winsley (ij1234) lol yes. Dr. peepee had to change his name to PPMD because of e-sports.

[@ironewinsley6572]

William Kwon oh well that's apropiate

[@Pan_Z]

Sandbagging shouldn't really count.

[@lucianwindgates]

one day, ill be on this video

[@WilliamKwon]

+lucianwindgates Good luck

[@lucianwindgates]

+William Kwon Thanks

[@kevin6050]

Fly is low key the truth

[@saotomebuster]

secret boss: ken

[@TheNiceguy1156]

to be fair almost all of these sets were when none of them were called gods of smash.

[@WilliamKwon]

There's no real line to when the Gods became Gods so this covers the very possible time they could be even considered a God or top level threat. Since it's in amount of Gods defeated and chronological order, it's up to you to decide where the line starts

[@TheNiceguy1156]

Its a simple test really. Was mango called one of the five gods when he lost against (x)

[@WilliamKwon]

There is no definitive moment when someone was called a "God"

[@TheNiceguy1156]

True but i think we all know when mango mained falcon and mario he wasnt called one of the five gods

[@WilliamKwon]

Actually, he went Mario and Falcon because he was so dominant as #1 so at that point, he was pretty much confirmed a champion/God

[@mkwstar]

I love 13:33

[@zlol_ssbm]

with a lot of understanding going in to these games with stage c/p and whatever, only like 3 or 4 of these clips really show "Gods" really being beat. Like, the Mike Haze one? Mango clearly wasn't trying That being said, Hbox victories are fine, because i will never believe HBox deserves a top 5 spot

[@octaviogonzalez8794]

+Sean Rose That must be why he's ranked third right now below Armada and leffen, and above Mango and M2K. I do agree that the scorpionmaster losses don't really count, but the rankings are based on performance and whether or not you like the guy, Hbox is definitely top 5.

[@YUSoEpic]

I see 2 missing here : lambchops beat pp and wizzrobe beat hungrybox

[@WilliamKwon]

***** Oh, I see. I knew Wizzrobe beat HungryBox in SWATO but didn't include it here since nothing was recorded. When did Lambchops beat PPMD? Was it after Genesis 1?

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

+William Kwon Chops beat PP a few months after Genesis, Darkrain beat Hbox and Colbol beat PP a few months before Genesis (And he's beaten Hbox many, many, many times). Zgetto also beat Armada around that time (which should count since this was after CJ beating Armada). I'm not sure what to count this under, but kJab beat Armada at a low tiers tournament. If Money Matches count (which they probably should) DaShizWiz beat Mango at ROM, and according to M2K, Jman beat Armada in a MM. Hax has also beaten Hbox in at least two serious sets of some sort (I believe MMs). There was also a Marth only tournament Hbox lost (probably same category as Armada losing a set to kJab). DaShizWiz also beat PP in a Falco round robin. $mike has taken sets off of PP at NC locals, but afaik these all involved things like Falcon dittos and Mario vs Luigi. Probably a lot more sandbagging losses for all of them I'm forgetting, but most probably weren't by people with recorded victories. Also PC Chris beating Mew2King at Oc3 was recorded, it was deleted however and reuploaded by Mango (you can still find it on his channel, but it was originally removed because M2K had an amazing performance at FC Diamond that never got uploaded to anywhere and he considered Oc3 his worst performance at the time. If I had to guess, he probably doesn't care anymore).

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

+1000g2g3g4g800999 Oh yeah, and Chu bet PP at a random NC local once (PP still won the tournament), and if anyone says his win over M2K shouldn't count he beat him in the last two years. Also Calle W took a tournament from Armada after Captain Jack's victory.

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

+1000g2g3g4g800999 OH YEAH. S2J beat M2K's Fox Falco and Falcon at Revelation.

[@WilliamKwon]

HOLY SHIT! You definitely know your shit. Thanks man. If I ever make another one of these, I'll be sure to come back to your comments.

[@jo_3246]

Lucky looks like jontron

[@theallseeingeye9938]

You are gods.