Always dropping that knowledge. Keep the awesome clips coming
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
appreciate you! a lot of work goes into this type of stuff by so many people not just me, just knowing some ppl like it is huge!
@Jamer296 ай бұрын
I’ve forgotten about sharpening my Off hand this entire phase… ty for reminder.
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
appreciate the comment! I literally added it at the end as a hey I wanna remind you because a lot of hunters either don't know or forgot this!
@BiggZigg6 ай бұрын
@@Naturetvz sharpening over shadow oil??
@Rakschas6666 ай бұрын
@@BiggZigg your offhand deals 50% of its dmg baseline. that is increased to 75% of baseline with dw rune. sharpening stone is subject to the dmg reduction of that offhand and also ofc to the reductions of high armor targets. shadow oil doesnt suffer many of these disadvantages and thus comes ahead in gnomer.
@Highlaw6 ай бұрын
For pets there was some important context missing in regard to the WS vs Cat conversation. While it's true Cats deal more damage on generic lv40 enemies (for me +10dps out of 760dps - a mere 1.3% total difference) in Mechanical Gnomer bosses WS deals +25dps over Cat (out of 550dps - a 4.5% total difference). So WS on the raid gives you -1.3%dmg on the first 2 bosses but +4.5%dmg on the rest of the bosses, that's why players are switching up - not so much for a range or duration benefit, but rather just better damage overall. Regardless, it's a nice guide you have there!
@minalaminala1416 ай бұрын
Does this factor in the debuff from MH fist and druid/shaman aswell?
@Highlaw6 ай бұрын
Yes. However I then turned off both the fist debuff and druid's dreamstate, while still keeping all armor debuffs (so all WS advantages gone, all Cat advantages On) the WS still deals more damage to Mech bosses, this time +7.3dps instead of +25dps. That translates to +1.3% total dmg, so it would still be the best choice for the raid, altough by so little that now it's truly up to preference, given you don't have epic fist or a shaman or a druid. @@minalaminala141
@xXSinForLifeXx6 ай бұрын
@@minalaminala141Yes im pretty sure its only better if you have those buffs
@jean-francoisdomingue71486 ай бұрын
My question is, as BM spec atm I lose 3% hit chance bcuz I don’t have the gear. Would it be better for me to stay surv and sit at 4% hit or go BM and only have 1%. (I have LW gloves)
@percollen466 ай бұрын
My experience with the windserpent is that since it have a range ability it often miss the flankingstrike if you engage with the target before the windserpent have used its first lightningbreath. It often stand a bit away from the mob when the first LB goes off. Maybe a small dps loss thou, but going from mob to mob and the pet misses his first flankingstrike all the time feels off.
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
this is true, great comment.
@Valyn6 ай бұрын
Thank you for pointing out the door differences in alternate choices. Very helpful.
@shifterashtongue26846 ай бұрын
You mean the ones doing less and less dps that no1 will play rite? :D
@zeroresistance72036 ай бұрын
08:26 False chicken disapears the moment you unequip it. this is however how it worked on enginering trinket.
@Tommysalamiwow6 ай бұрын
5:45 the data is skewed (1 out of 85) and it would not be a good gold farm. The droprate is likely closer to 0.02% such as the other BoE greens from that mob
@MSPEthan6 ай бұрын
Great video but my understanding is that wind serpent is better on the higher armor bosses of gnomer, and because of dream state druid buff with buff from cog fist weapon or curse of elements. I guess the faster engage may matter slightly, but I think it is secondary to the other points.
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
great comment this is so true! my video was based on avg dps and avg armor values. - hunters take note if you really want to top parse the high armor bosses WS would outshine.
@calebwilkins43726 ай бұрын
WS actually engages slower bc it only has dive one. You still want windserpent to go immediately into melee to start to get melee attacks as well as the lbs.
@River_of_Revenge6 ай бұрын
extensive and well spoken, ty for the help!
@Macncheesee6 ай бұрын
I got the 1h epic fist I’m thinking of using a wind serpent because of the increased dmg from spell dmg proc
@Jamer296 ай бұрын
And have a boomy in raid to increase its nature dmg.
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
this is true, now in my video i was basing off BIS which had me using the fist weapons, but should be noted for sure. GREAT comment
@defaultdaniel6 ай бұрын
Hey Naturetvz, thanks for the vid. I have one question if you can please help me. My 31 BM melee hunter (w/ above avg raid gear, 3% hit) is parsing mid 60s, but damage wise, still behind a lot of other melee hunters. My runes are good. My weapons however are the prebis swords and the Ultrasonic Vibroblade. I was using the Ultrasonic 1h axe as a main hand, w Vanq Sword as my OH. Should I switch to a faster MH like Sword of Omen?
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
great question, you can parse at least a 90 w/ wsg Revere'd wpns as your main hand, although the change normalizes for raptor strike, a slower main hand is still amazing for other reasons like your flanking strike. make sure as melee on single target you prio, RS then FS then Wing clip, but you must have other things like Windfury to actually parse as melee - also make sure you're BM spec like in the guide and have your pet w/ top tank skills and attacking when you do. one of the biggest mistakes I see w/ this question is hunters using shaprening stone or other buffs on their main hand which cancels out windfury or strikes buffs for melee - if for some reason this info does not help link logs and i'll deep dive it1
@defaultdaniel6 ай бұрын
@@Naturetvz thanks for the info. I think my issue is not spamming raptor strike enough. You think it’s worth getting WSG main hand over UltraSonic Vibroblade?
@DylanButler15 ай бұрын
So we just press 3 buttons and don’t use mongoose bite?
@Naturetvz5 ай бұрын
great question, in our BIS rotation we are standing behing a mob and it is not targeting us so we should never be able to dodge to proc mongoose. There's a rare exception if we have multiple mobs and one of the mobs is hitting us while we target another, then u could use mongoose if it proc's however it's only 20 more dmg than Wing Clip anyway... So in reality you're just hitting wing clip since you shouldn't have mongoose up and the only reason you wing clip is as a filler, so why not it's xtra, and it could proc wind fury.
@Ohleo916 ай бұрын
Not huge fan of melee but I put up with it. I like that I can run bm and flex melee/ranged at minimal loss. Also I wanna try 2h since it should make flanking strike slap as well
@ThomasCrammond6 ай бұрын
Great Info Thank you!
@AIPALADINI6 ай бұрын
Greetings naturetvz, when ya gonna have a video about melee hunter parsing? I cant get out of that gray parsing, Im always RS + WC + FS but seens something is wrong. My hunter is Loadini.
@remyd87676 ай бұрын
curious. for nongeared hunter without much crit/agi gear, is it better to go for 2/2 Savage Strikes and drop Bestial Wrath for more consistent Raptor Strike crits?
@Laserred016 ай бұрын
That troll area at 5:55 is a very bad idea at lvl 40. HUGE agro range and wolf pats.
@MimiPipoo6 ай бұрын
What would be best wep option to use when I only have cogmaster's claw, vanq sword, sword of omen? Should I go double sword with vanq/omen? Or vanq or omen with cog OH?
@realduox6 ай бұрын
sims currently have bonk maestros losing to pretty move every other glove close on the tier list, either the gloves stink or the sims are broke. Still waiting to find out.
@zoenna5 ай бұрын
Very usefull, thank you!
@lolpocalypse6 ай бұрын
I'm so fucking mad I sold sword of omen the day before these changes were announced.
@PootisPenserPow6 ай бұрын
You might be able to item restore it
@JordanG20246 ай бұрын
There is a restore feature for deleted or vendored items, I believe within 30 days.
@GiliusThunderhead6 ай бұрын
Just get the shank from Uldaman.
@FE-tb6gv6 ай бұрын
Good Video. But i got a little confused. In the first two survival builds is literally no difference in dps output bc you don't weave traps in you singletrget boss rotation so why do you label the build on the right as a parse spec, when die left build is overall more dmg (bc of traps) in the first place? 2 Points in parry and 2 points in stamina does not contribute to dmgoutput or do i miss something?
@LilNaturez6 ай бұрын
Sorry for the confusion. There is a 20 dps difference because the 2nd build your not using a pet and using lone wolf and carve. The 2nd build is more dps but requires another hunter or pally to provide you with lion/kings
@FE-tb6gv6 ай бұрын
@@LilNaturez i know. Tho the first representation of the SV builds we're without the runes thats why i'm confused. I'm aware of the dps difference between the runes but that was not my point. Anyway, thanks for the response and keep up the good work, peace!
@pandap.6 ай бұрын
why 5 points into improved aspect of the hawk?
@dawsonclouse15946 ай бұрын
pet damage scales with your ranged attack power. So increasing that makes it so your pet does more damage
@Joshua14108246 ай бұрын
for WS do you still have bite toggled on or do you just have LB as his main special attack?
@anagittigana6 ай бұрын
only LB
@logankopcha11496 ай бұрын
Are we sure thats how the weapon normalization works? It was my understanding that it scaled slower weapons down to the 2.4 speed (for 1h). However, i thought the formula just used the weapons actual speed if it was below 2.4? For example ny vanquishers sword is 2.2, i dont believe its doing the same damage as my legionaire sword is with raptor. Am i misinterpreting this?
@ericsantos84326 ай бұрын
Isn’t 5/5 hawk talent kinda useless with viper?
@jacobreed9536 ай бұрын
I'm assuming it's if you need to flex to ranged. I personally just spend those points to make my pet tankier
@danielcampbell24116 ай бұрын
Please tell me you're not using viper full time
@RatsoMan206 ай бұрын
😂 u gimping your damage by 10% if u using viper none stop use hawk to get a few more ap for your pet worth the global to get the damage and if u do have to shoot something u get more damage. The boss that throws static on you for example u can get away from melee and still do dps
@RobertPietsch6 ай бұрын
I have a question that unfortunately is rarely answered in the Hunter Guides: Which four skills should I use on my pet (cat, for example). Which of them on Autocast? What about bite and claw? Both, one of them, when what? Thank you very much!
@Melonitus6 ай бұрын
Claw, bite, dash and growl for solo
@LilNaturez6 ай бұрын
You want Bite / Claw / Dash active on cat Technically pre casting dash 5 seconds before a pull is BiS while priority casting Bite then only doing claw to dump the Xtra focus is BiS the dmg increase is very minimal so Most hunters just have all 3 on auto cast
@Azarven6 ай бұрын
Dont need 5/5 ferocity with a cat with claw. It will stay up 100% with 3/5
@silverclaw46 ай бұрын
interesting, can you show logs to confirm this?
@etougaming21766 ай бұрын
ive heard 4/5 not 3/5
@Rakschas6666 ай бұрын
clearly that would be dependend on the atk speed of the pet. slower pets would require more points, faster pets less points. 2.0 is the meta because of FS, so i guess a 4/5 is the minimum.
@LilNaturez6 ай бұрын
Here’s the thing there’s no other talent points that add dmg at all. So you go 5/5 in order to reduce RNG and potential downtime especially on pull. Since 5/5 although only adds a very small amount of Dps it’s more than 0 while any other talents add 0 dps it makes it bis for PvE
@LilNaturez6 ай бұрын
I actually went over this in my last guide it’s literally just something hunters like to say to feel smart while actually it is a guaranteed Net DpS loss
@jsoska886 ай бұрын
Is there any reason to apply talent points into improved aspect of the hawk? I checked to see if the aspect alone increases my pets' damage, and I don't see it. Secondly, is it better to have sword of omen for the main hand and vanquisher/warsong sword as offhand due to the new raptor strike changes?
@emilmotren97976 ай бұрын
The pets AP scales of your own ranged AP, thats why you would want to use Aspect of the hawk. But the points in talent does nothing other then up your own crit chance on ranged attacks, wich in Gnomer does not really make any dps difference as you never leave melee on bosses.
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
well for pve as a melee hunter there's no other points in the first two tiers that would add more dmg. there is a window where you may need to do ranged and it may proc. it's rare and for a melee hunter not that important, but it's more dmg than 0 even for a melee hunter while the other talents are 0 hopefully this helps! great comment.
@jsoska886 ай бұрын
@Naturetvz as a melee hunter, I find it beneficial to just dump 5 tp into increasing my pets health for the fact that when I do pew pew, it's to kill off running mobs/foes and won't go ranged for anything else. But for the weapon MH, go sword of omen now?
@jsoska886 ай бұрын
@emilmotren9797 is it a hidden mechanic? When I go into the aspect of the hawk in the pet tab, I see no increase in dmg. I'll test the dps with and without it. Been running as monkey.
@Rakschas6666 ай бұрын
@@jsoska88 if you have wild strikes or windfury, you still want a big hitter mainhand with large top end. if you dont, i guess you dont. go crazy. buy that 1.7 mainhand epic from the ah that lowers targets armor by an additional 100 and prevents invis. I dont know if thats a good idea, but someone has to try it out, why not you.
@varintraz36426 ай бұрын
do we have sims for 2 hand with trap launcher and sv tree ? bonus dmg on traps etc. ? hard to believe that dual wield is still best when flanking strike and carve scales with weapon dmg favoring 2 hand weapon. with a slow striking pet cause flanking strike better with slow hitting pet.
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
yes there are sims out for all of these scenarios wowsims.github.io/sod/hunter/
@SulepPr06 ай бұрын
Very good video. 2h melee hunter is not viable yet?? New sub! :)
@tokopaaisen29276 ай бұрын
It’s funny I always put 7 points to sv to get 20% raptor strike crit. Then I noticed while I was farming whelps in badland. Once the whelp is lvl 43. I barely see any raptor strike crit. Feels like totally waste of tp And just notice shaman dw rune give 10% hit…. That is called unfair
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
yeah when raptor strike is SO good, it absolutely makes sense to have improved raptor strike however at lvl 40 we sacrifice the end talents which are basically waited to be super strong. Great comment!
@AlfredoMartinezRomero6 ай бұрын
@3:08 Enchanting or Leatherworking? i thought LW was already #1?
@1337tomek6 ай бұрын
what about the cat attack speed, does it matter?
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
Flanking strike as an ability causes your pet to do an extra melee attack, a melee attack on a slower pet does more dmg than on a faster pet. Although pet attack speed is also normalized, the free attack from flanking strike currently is not.
@xXSinForLifeXx6 ай бұрын
Heard alot of people are saying that Machinists gloves are better than the Fist Weapon Skill gloves?
@LilNaturez6 ай бұрын
Per sims in his gear they would be wrong Bonk gloves are 1 dps more in full bis key word though you do need bis which has both fist weapons
@xXSinForLifeXx6 ай бұрын
@LilNaturez 1DPS? Damn that's nothing. Heard alot of people saying Machinists are the go to after the nerf idk. Guess the hunter discord was wrong.
@geldalis6 ай бұрын
sorry the best build it's the full survival or the full beast ?
@benwalters48086 ай бұрын
Blizzard couldn't balance a triple beam scale with identical sets of weights to work with
@AJannace116 ай бұрын
Do you think electrocutioneers needle is a better man hand then vanquishers sword.
@Burlehmangus6 ай бұрын
no, it is not, as the entire point of the changes that happened right before this video is to normalize weapon speed. Electrocutioners now hits as if its speed were 2.4, and so does vanquishers. ALL that matters now is the dps/stats. electrocutioners is far higher dps, and the proc equates to about the dps of the stats on vanqs. so electrocutioners is far better, and it doesnt matter which hand you have which weapon in anymore really. (only very slightly matters for flanking), but thats pretty negligent.
@simplypinto30266 ай бұрын
does battle chicken invalidate logs?
@vjredline92426 ай бұрын
How come i see so many builds with monster slaying? arent all of the enemies humanoid or mechanical
@LilNaturez6 ай бұрын
Beast although rare are present in Gnomer for example the first boss with potential cleave. Since none of the other talent points add any dps value while monster slaying adds more than 0 that’s what makes it BiS
@machinazz6 ай бұрын
hey what do you think about pendulum of doom for melee hunter ?
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
pendulum of doom is great, w/ the raptor strike nerf it will be normalized to 3.3 AS for raptor strike however with something like flanking strike this item hits hard AF
@tokopaaisen29276 ай бұрын
Because dw raptor strike do 2 raptor strike for each hand, the total dmg of one dw rs is mh dmg + 80+ oh dmg + 60. And 2h rs is 2h dmg +80. So as long as mh dmg + oh dmg +60>2h dmg, it always be dw rs with more dmg. Only difference is flanking strike hits harder with a 2h. I can crit fs for 500 with ravager.
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
this is true, am I personally picking Pendulum over let's say WSG revered sword + Vanquishers sword, no@@tokopaaisen2927
@ItVex6 ай бұрын
@@tokopaaisen2927 its not that simple ... you use a rune slot more with dw you have a fire trap filler every 15 sec and wf + flanking hits harder with 2h some sims say 2h is actually on same lvl as dw
@tokopaaisen29276 ай бұрын
@@ItVex it’s really depends on rng. I have wsg + rfd swords, if I use ravager it’s like 1000dmg less within 15sec window assume no off cd proc. With p doom, it gets very close. Like 100dmg less than dw. But I only did an estimation, didnt go to detail
@Fruza1236 ай бұрын
The nerf isnt that bad tbh, its just a little weaker in raids
@captainofthewhitetower6 ай бұрын
To be honest if they make Beast Mastery Rune A spell it would be way better. One button is so bad.
@whistles82816 ай бұрын
what aspect you run as melee hunter`?
@LilNaturez6 ай бұрын
Hawk. This gives ranged AP which gives your pet more dmg.
@SimonRobeyns6 ай бұрын
how does this give ur pet more damage? It's ranged attack and even if it procs and I check my pet AP it doesn't increase I never understand this@@LilNaturez
@Kisanamoto6 ай бұрын
I already sold my sword of the omens, thanks blizzard
@andrewszymanski15736 ай бұрын
Boo to melee hunter, make ranged hunters great again!
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
it's a weird space in classic, ranged hunters have such a massive toolkit for pvp so if ranged hunters are viable in pve it's a space where other classes will need massive toolkit additions to be competative in pvp. - i'd assume as higher phases when other classes "catch up" you'll see ranged hunters also catch up. with that being said it's again a weird space and there has to be mechanics that make ranged hunters really really strong in pve that don't make them broken OP in pvp. Great comment, upvoted.
@OuchXXI6 ай бұрын
Hunters need to be reworked. Everything from gear to runes is a mess.
@logankopcha11496 ай бұрын
Yeah I'd much rather get the gun and MM honestly..
@guyvanlaned36736 ай бұрын
swingtimers live rent free in my mind. i hope melee is here to stay, but i also hope they bring lock n loaded for ranged sv or make mm better for the og hunter feel to please those players. im happy we are number 1 into the 70th %even after nerf. might be the last time. beign mid tier mm dps all of classic sucked tbh
@Ragranos6 ай бұрын
Melee is the most fun I've had on a hunter in classic. Any proc based spec, dopamine hit when you get 3 raptor strikes while at 3 stacks. Feels good.
@frozenIRL6 ай бұрын
Guide is now outdated. Surv doesnt sim better than BM now!
@Naturetvz6 ай бұрын
please see, 12:15 in the video, I explain BM is currently top DPS post nerfs + that it's 20-40 dps over SV builds
@XPSftw6 ай бұрын
Can you please provide the calculations for your statement that the removal of the dual wield 30% dmg bonus equals overall dps loss of 10-12%?
@jonsnow75866 ай бұрын
Yes I calculated it myself using the top hunter's damage on WCL at the time (raptor strike 52% of his overall damage) so on say 500dps 500/100 = 5 * 52 = 260dps by raptor, 260/100 = 2.6, 2.6 * 30 = 78, 78:500*100 = (78*100):500 = 7800:500 = 15.6% dps loss
@jonsnow75866 ай бұрын
Although he was playing survival when I think about it so raptor will be a lower % of a BM hunter's damage.
@garyjohn26076 ай бұрын
Is marking the video that hard?
@pwn34266 ай бұрын
not even a mention for bow of searing arrows? That bow is criminally underrated.... I prefer it to listening to the stupid gun sound for the next 2 months.
@LilNaturez6 ай бұрын
This is true it’s just not that relevant for Melee hunters since we should always have the 50 str proc bow equipped
@fervorofbattle47116 ай бұрын
idk why u guys are hating why cant melee hunter exsist i always wanted it in classic i get buffing ranged but let melee hunters have it :DD
@rumbleshakes6 ай бұрын
2h still not as good as dw?
@D.G06 ай бұрын
WTH are people talking about…. Hunters are destroying in any spec… melee hunter still does massive range damage. If anything they need an overall nerf because I’m STILL getting solo’d by their damn pets
@trickedouttech3216 ай бұрын
Raptor Strike is not that good not after the Nerf, not sure how you come to this. this video is made after the Nerf so you must know. but Raptor Strike would not come over Flaking, Flank is your prio for sure.
@Paincraze6 ай бұрын
So 1. You dont use bite or dive... You only use LB, dont waste you energy on bite or dive, it doesnt generate enough Focus to do both bite and LB. 2. Improved hawk doenst make a difference in dps its just marginal like 0.25-1dps. So if you have the double fists go WS for Sure and only use LB. In BM specc, use whatever you want but take the pet dmg talents! And yes... Technically Range AP buffs pet dmg but u have to Range weave and get the improved procc and then its like 0.25-1 dps more. In most cases it will be a loss in dps to Range weave. TL:DR Fists BiS! Use WS with only LB and use any bm specc but take pet dmg talents first.
@DocodaQT6 ай бұрын
Pretty bad guide with lots of misinformation. Might be good if you'd join some discord servers.
@ItsNaufuru6 ай бұрын
Bring back ranged Hunter, i really dont care about melee hunter anymore
@lfgubrs6 ай бұрын
So just play range. Nothing is stopping you. Range pumps good if you have the gnomer gun.
@fanofcodd6 ай бұрын
Range pump good Lol we are not playing the same version of the game. Maybe you are talking about WOTLK
@xXSinForLifeXx6 ай бұрын
@@lfgubrs Range doesn't pump shit
@sniperdps6 ай бұрын
God, they ruined the class... back to click "petattack" to get our dmg... back to being the most boring class in the game. Time to reroll shaman.
@lfgubrs6 ай бұрын
Melee is really fun
@huntthedeadly6 ай бұрын
It’s wild how inaccurate the guide is.
@martijnstrobbe97866 ай бұрын
Veramosgaming is better info
@Centrifuze6 ай бұрын
Dude, bad fuckin' form on your part. If you have issues with this video, talk about the issues. But don't throw someone else's channel out there as an alternative. That's fucked up.