The Ultimate Melee Hunter Guide - Season of Discovery

[@Sarthetv]

Enjoy this full Melee-Hunter Guide! The class is extremely fun, very fast paced, and a little spammy. It may get tuned next week so beware of that! I will get Macro's and Weak Aura's updated today! (I just got some tragic news so I'm a little out of it, so it might be a few hours). & Tank you to EVERYONE Who supports the channel!

[@FoxTrotting1]

Hang in there, Sarthe

[@chris-c8m6u]

Thx 4 this nice Guide and your work but bring pls the Bm Range Guide too 😇😇😇😇

[@Sokol_CZ_]

Where can I find a Combat Dummy?

[@kalatheone]

@sarthetv want to adress a problem with feral tank so they buff lacerate but when you use lacerate as a tank berserker is completly useless... they need to bring lacerate to leg slot and its fixed... or a feral tank can only use 3 runes at the same time 1 wildstrikes/survival of the fittest 2 survival instinct 3 lacerate/ or 4 berserk mangle... changes are useless

[@Sokol_CZ_]

@Sarthetv Thanks, can you share weakauras on full melee hunter? I want to ask, is it better for leveling lone wolf or 10%stats hearth buff, lone wolf only for dung? thank you for answer

[@zdubzz1280]

It’s kind of incredible how ranged hunter is now a meme class and melee is the meta

[@gregjross852]

Okay but I feel like a very niche group of people have always wanted M hunter to shine 😂

[@BIacklce]

@@gregjross852 Me, since 2004, specifically Dual Wield

[@grandecc2567]

my guildie friend is melee surv hunter he loves it, i play Beastmaster range, no marks in my guild lol , i'm happy for the melee hunters that can finally use agi 1h's and mongoose bite haha, every class should be fun for everyones playstyle!

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

Full MM for trueshot aura and still melee lol.

[@MF_Zurg]

Nerf this BS

[@drewdydevos]

I did not know that ranged attack speed affects pet damage, thank you Sarthe!

[@Rpneville]

You bopped my boomkin in STV last night and im only here to make sure I didnt make the highlight reel, carry on

[@purepeter4737]

Based

[@troydenbrum2979]

Someone also pointed out that Raptor strike is not a normalized instant attack. This is a very old change to things like back stab, sinister strike and Mortal strike.

[@atorrance]

What does it mean for an attack to be normalized?

[@DominicKennedy-c4g]

@@atorrance when an attack is normalized it reduces the importance of having a weapon with the slowest speed as the ability acts as if its casting with a set weapon speed for all players.

[@yosoyhansolo]

​@@DominicKennedy-c4gso slower weapons would work better for Raptor Strike so long as it remains not normalized?

[@TheTraumatize]

whether or not raptor strike becomes normalized, slower weapons will always be better for instant abilities (assuming dps is equal between the weapons). At the moment raptor strike does not have a normalized attack speed, meaning the damage of the weapon is being multiplied by the speed of the weapon to calculate what the weapon should hit. After normalization this weapon speed modifier will just always stay at the same speed, 2.4 for non-dagger 1h weapons. So instead of weapon speed affecting hits, only the weapons damage stats will affect damage. With that being said, slower weapons have higher damage numbers so even when they are normalized they still hit harder.

[@DominicKennedy-c4g]

@@TheTraumatize do you mean weapon DPS when you say weapon damage?

[@zacharysmith1865]

Shadow oil scales with lone wolf %dmg as well as shadow priest and tank lock %dmg. Raptor strike makes your offhand hit too so you can have wildstrikes main hand and shadow oil offhand and get it to proc on every 10sec icd.

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

That amounts to maybe 10 dps if you can get it to proc on cooldown every 10 seconds.

[@zacharysmith1865]

@@ForbiddenFollyFollower yep 10-15 dps from an offhand weapon imbue is quite good

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

@@zacharysmith1865 just eat dragon breath chili

[@drippinghere]

@@ForbiddenFollyFollower do both dragonbreath chili and shadow oil

[@boyd1998]

Whats the Macro u have on 2 and 3? FS and RS

[@alaoudin1992]

Gona be honest SoD makes me think to come back after years. Looks hella fun

[@deadly103]

Do it, you missed the incredible phase 1 but phase 2 seems just as fun

[@gravestomper4359]

its a mess of a phase

[@hanzugo]

3:45 where is this location, I want to test DPS as a horde

[@The_Way_Ministries]

Question Sarthe, in BM why pick improved aspect of the hawk? It would have zero benefit for melee right? it only procs ranged attack speed. Second do you believe that a wolf pet is viable? they can only learn bite but Ferocious Howl increases your party attack on one melee attack from 28-34 with FH rank 2. With the current nerf to Dual Wielding rune would it even matter? I know cats are bis but I haven't seen any video or guide speak of the wolf pet.

[@anthonymartire2036]

Not an expert on this, just started playing this week. But according to the other videos I have seen, Aspect of the Hawk is used because your pet's damage scales off of ranged power. EDIT: this was already covered in the video, whoops.

[@defaultdaniel]

Great video, but now that raptor strike is getting a 30% nerf, what's the new bis spec? Full BM and melee again?

[@laoch5658]

just stop playing because blizzard just nerf anything thats fun

[@kfeldmanis]

If they nerf it, then they have to bring up marksman or bm, or two hand bonus for melee specialist

[@kfeldmanis]

Like for real… Hunters are pure DPS class, they should dominate charts…

[@TheGeneralpacman]

​Yeah we need to bring something to raid, only thing is lion and paladins can have that too, so we need to have good damage ​@@kfeldmanis

[@AcidGubba]

@@kfeldmanisNot in melee

[@danielhd6719]

@@AcidGubba REXXAR!!!! ffs, lore wise they should top every chart always on every spec.

[@mcgreedy01]

What is the add on you’re using that’s showing the rotation on the screen?

[@Sokol_CZ_]

Where can I find a Combat Dummy thorn to try the dmg?

[@NagisaStreams]

I don’t know what you’re specifically asking but the dummy is in shimmering flats in the southwest corner for a warrior rune. The mobs are only level 1 though so not really reliable I don’t think.

[@Sokol_CZ_]

@@NagisaStreams thx, and please don't you have weakauras for full melee hunter what Sarthe has?

[@iMaxGamingTTV]

Tyvm for making all these awesome videos! Legend

[@rkt1337]

Feels like a warrior with full rage bar all the time. I even been tanking all 5 man instances as melee hunter from when I did get the runes at level 32

[@danielhd6719]

Good fuck warriors. They had their spotlight for 10 years. Time for a change.

[@daganperretti8617]

Sarthe, is the sword of omen not better than the pvp sword?

[@dazzagrayzo9560]

I'm guessing not only because its lower damage due to it being a faster attack speed weapon

[@jacobreed953]

idk i was simming with it and it seemed to do well@@dazzagrayzo9560

[@drsonker3867]

nice video! whats your font damage name?

[@Rev0UK1]

raptor raptor raptor raptor raptor raptor raptor flanking raptor raptor raptor raptor fanking raptor flanking raptor raptor raptor that about covers it right?

[@scdogg444]

Yes because other classes have a very tough rotation.

[@squashua16]

More like.. Raptor raptor flanking raptor wing clip raptor wing clip raptor raptor flanking raptor flanking raptor raptor raptor wong clip raptor flanking raptor

[@scdogg444]

@squashua16 what class you play that has a difficult rotation 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Also, you're so dumb you don't even know flanking is first to hit. You managed to fuck up a 2 button rotation 😆😆😆😆😆

[@BIacklce]

40+ is going to be interesting for Melee Hunter, especially LW Melee, since there are no talents post 40 that have any damage application. Also Mobility abilities (not harpoon).

[@Burlehmangus]

Except for the fact that past we we can get beastial wrath AND savage strikes/hit

[@BIacklce]

@@Burlehmangus "especially lone wolf melee"

[@Rev0UK1]

@@BIacklce JUST* lw melee

[@Koby5649]

I'm not sure about that. If you range weave, MM has some good talents. When your melee abilities are on CD, you can run out, Chimera shot (Assuming Serpent Sting is up), then run back in. It's better on ST than Carve imo.

[@alexeypalamarenko8393]

Can't understand. There are 90 dislikes on this awesome guide that got 700 likes. Who are these people disliking it?

[@williamwolfe962]

Do I need to worry about clipping auto melee attacks whilst spamming raptor strike/wing clip?

[@bolabola6397]

great video. is the low stamina on the preraid bis items not gonna cause an issue in the raid?

[@chrisgiles9139]

I have 1650 health atm 🤣

[@bolabola6397]

@@chrisgiles9139 uhhh low hehe

[@bolabola6397]

me like 1900 with lions

[@Toades8513]

Hunters can use fist weps?

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

The only thing they can't use are maces.

[@craigfulco7470]

What about leveling? Is melee survival still good?

[@jan-fn3lz]

Sarthe, do you play an orc and nightelf hunter or only one race?

[@h3rity39]

Hey, what ability is it that looks like a crusader proc ?

[@ferducar313]

are those combat dummies in game?

[@blkarm4223]

Yeah where are those lol

[@eas669]

Does melee hunter has to be dual wield? what is the difference between 2h and dual wield

[@dalhster]

Is there a written guide of this? like the gear list?

[@TelyparC]

Why only leather on pre-bis? Not mail?

[@The_Donkey]

Can someone explain to me why the mail set is better then the leather set? If i dont sim it, and just go on it with my brain, the leather set is always better ... but everyone is wearing the mail set ... i dont get it

[@0htwo]

Wait, target dummies? Where?

[@mantequillas1278]

I'd also like to know where?

[@kelltik2000]

They're for the warrior intervene rune. Just look up a guide on that and it should say where they are.

[@AngrybirdsTW]

Thousand Needles 68.0 89.6

[@mistadopeyy]

So is it not worth using the off hand fist weapon with something other than the main hand epic one?

[@bongaboogie2788]

thanks for the guide! can u share the stat weights you used on sixtyupgrades pls :)

[@Sokol_CZ_]

@Sarthetv can you share weakauras on full melee hunter?

[@dahomiekrillz]

If you are pvping as melee hunter, should claw & bite both be left on auto attack? Obviously aggro isn't a thing in pvp, so higher output and keeping focus in mind is more of a thing.

[@Airbag888]

So surv on retail has a lot of movement abilities to keep up/close the gap. What about melee hunter? any harpoon or otherwise?

[@m8s96]

Wouldnt the 2,5 attack speed bear be the best pet if we want slower attack speed?

[@DiakosDelvin]

the lower 0,9 dmg multiplier for bear vs cats 1,1 eats the advantage and worsens regular per auto-attacks.

[@m8s96]

@@DiakosDelvin Bear: 2,5 x 0,91 = 2,275 Cat: 2,0 x 1,1 = 2,2 It seems as though its still better with the 2,5 attack speed bear. Especially since the bears advantage of 0,075 is amplified with flanking strike. Is it something that im missing here? Got the numbers from petopia btw. This is also not accounting for the better HP and armor of the bear. Not going to be super relevant for raiding but still a nice benefit. The big problem is leveling the bear since it starts at level 6-7.

[@m8s96]

@@DiakosDelvin wait, my thinking doesnt make sense here. It should be 1,1/0,91=1,208=1,21 So the cat deals 21% more dps not accounting for flanking strike. So does flanking strike with the resets from raptor strike make up for the 21% deficit. Probaly not considering the bear only deals about 4% more damage per hit. To account for the 21% dps loss from just regular pet attacks you would need to flanking strike 21/4=5,25 times per basic pet attack. That isnt going to happen. So yeah, the cat is actually better.

[@FoxTrotting1]

Blizzard, please do not nerf melee hunters in P2, let us have our little moment of fun. Please!!

[@courtnie97]

Please, tell me where the training dummy is.

[@johnbroussard425]

Hey what’s the walk aura you are using?

[@Tinman_GG]

Is it like other melee where we only use stone on offhand?

[@xxwukingxx3389]

Do you mind making a pvp melee hunter guide or do you think melee hunter wouldn’t benefit in PvP?

[@lfgubrs]

Does Lone Wolf work if you just dismiss your pet or do you need to have it in stable?

[@mrSvartberg]

Just have it dismissed, it works fine

[@2CHUNKA]

Overall, is lone wolf better than having a pet?

[@softweb9901]

what is the name of the addon that shows your spells?

[@Yaeshi]

- you only need 1 point into FD resist - FD trap is dps loss on ST

[@ytbarupremi]

@sarthetv where i can get weak aura and mackro dude we need this

[@ejp141289]

What pet is he using and which pet should I get for 2.0 attack speed? Ridge Huntress or Ghost Saber?

[@kevinb4419]

does it work to get rank 4 if u have rank 2 already or can i just level it up with any pet if i already got rank 2?

[@Fud01]

Is axe skill gonna be worth it for orcs?

[@maggotthemadman8142]

Yep, it's just as viable as Swords.

[@Fud01]

@maggotthemadman8142 I'm asking if the axes are out performing swords in orc hand until fist weapons are available?

[@maggotthemadman8142]

@@Fud01 Don't take my word for it, but I would assume they are with the +5 axe skills. Not sure what axes you are going to use but you can use character planners to check it out.

[@Fud01]

@maggotthemadman8142 yeah I researched all of it and got the axes the closest but it looks like it's only going to good on boss fights the Sims show them within 3dps of the 2 swords

[@maggotthemadman8142]

@@Fud01 Well boss fights are what's important so I'd go with Axes if they sim better. What axes are you going to use?

[@xbite1182]

I wish you told your UI addons, i like the way it looks.

[@herroderelol]

whats your combat text addon?

[@SandyCheeksJKU]

Do we wait to 40 to switch from ranged to melee?

[@Chichonja]

Not neceserily, you switch when you have required runes, i've managed to get em all at 39, cause one with riders is not that easy bit u can do it solo, then u switch

[@byorce]

7:36 wow good to know

[@TazTec]

isnt gloves of the holy might bis gloves?

[@Neiji_SF]

No

[@ivangadzhanov]

The more I see of SOD the more I wanna play

[@Sokol_CZ_]

Thanks, can you share weakauras on full melee hunter? I want to ask, is it better for leveling lone wolf or 10%stats hearth buff, lone wolf only for dung? thank you for answer

[@MixFPL]

Is there a reason not to get a Wolf and have furious howl buff the melee group?

[@zdubzz1280]

It’s less damage to use a wolf over a cat

[@Yaeshi]

wolf does not only less dmg than cat, but also the buff from howl doesnt scale, so its shit

[@Unleaving1]

How important is the attackspeed on your mainhand? Because raptorstrike does flatdmg. Got yesterday the 1.7 atkspd epic mainhand sword and wondering if I can wear it

[@HillaryClit69]

On the raptor strike tooptip it says +80 on wep dmg. so u want em slow

[@MrNook43]

Is humar not worth getting?

[@jeagerpoelse]

faster than 2.0 is now more or less pvp only, certainly in this patch

[@Kirchen2]

what exactly do u need a guide for this op class. just role your face over hte keyboard

[@0grilo0]

Ilidans swords is a hunter weapon after all

[@ChronoNaut1000]

what professions should i take considering im playing HC melee hunter.

[@MrJurjenMurloc]

Engi LW

[@johnsmith-t9b]

Hello new hunter here. Which is best melee spec for leveling?

[@Alataria999]

None, definitely easier to level as BM and have your pet tank for you.

[@MrNook43]

What’s his damage number add on?

[@nonameileos]

best guide ever i love you ! Can you talk about enchantements too? ;)

[@Alex-sl9dc]

How do you feign+trap? Each time I try it I'm still in combat..

[@primal5435]

You have to make a macro, that recalls your pet / makes it passive, otherwise your pet will keep you in combat

[@michellebarber6187]

Please update WOWhead with BIS Lists and Rotation guides.. (Asking for Feral DPS Specifically)

[@ShaddyzZz]

You think sarthe is running wowhead or something? Lol

[@FE-tb6gv]

@@ShaddyzZz He is the BiS-gear and class-guide writer for p1 on wowhead, so it's his turn to update or wowhead recruits another commited feral guide writer. Next time you better start to think before writing words. Lol

[@yukimizuno4046]

what macro are you usin

[@Kesura1]

Thanks!

[@Pasha676]

Wich class i Need to Make a melee hunter ? The normal hunter aka Fighter? ( new to wow )

[@christiandouglass8581]

Hunter

[@gwood1221]

Sarthe ur the best Thank you!

[@iant6943]

where do u sim?

[@chrisgiles9139]

You know why we have ridiculous threat right now?? Tank rune P3 Baby!

[@diode_wow]

That's one of the things I've been wanting for the longest time, right next to shaman tank/2h

[@dalhster]

Wait where are these target dummy's???

[@Papakakadu]

Ofc it’s fun and good when it’s overturned and imbalanced 😂

[@ridikool6917]

yup hunters shouldn't be aloud fun nerf nerf nerf, not fair waaaaaaaaaaa

[@dalhster]

That website default calculates STR as 0 weight.

[@NatSmish]

why cant we macro flanking strike and raptor strike together?

[@KzKiller15]

I know it’s super annoying! They just want you to have more buttons to push. And I noticed that my raptor strike mongoose bite macro won’t work when I have flanking strike runed. They don’t want us to have a one button macro from the looks of it.

[@Despecitron]

Because raptor strike no longer works like heroic strike with the new rune, it's now instant so you can't maccro it with flanking

[@kamilos1631]

You are wrong i made FL & RS macro... #showtooltip /use [@target]Flanking Strike /use Raptor Strike

[@pokcmvmxckm2715]

What is the point of putting points into Trap talents if you never use Traps? You need Trap launcher to use them in combat, and that rune shares a slot with Dual wield spec.

[@TechProFury]

Feign death / trap macro.... maybe. In combat

[@1999evo]

Why can’t I use two axes

[@Brickhazard]

Where as this is great for "DMG meters" it absolutely sucks for instancing. Gnomer is heavy on the caster side so you are gimping yourself big time. Our first clear was easy and then we all respecced melee and wondered why we kept wiping because ranged hunter is just much more useful for the bosses. Unless you ditch all your warrior and rogues and tell them to go somewhere else which isn't good for guild harmony.

[@_Travey]

This is awesome I was getting bored of the old hunter gameplay/ barely any changes. This is right up my alley 😊

[@2CHUNKA]

I'm terrified it will get nerfed, I'm having so much fun.

[@tichondrise]

Does anyone have a suggestion for best off-hand fist weapon pre-cogmasters. I was lucky enough to get the MH, but fist weapons for off hand are very slim.

[@JayMaerten]

Man I’m exactly in the same situation. We have to stick to the pre-bis swords until we get the off-hand I guess 😢

[@tichondrise]

I think you’re right for pvp and soloing. For raids I think the claw debuff is best to help the casters, I’m using the BFD offhand but it’s so fast.

[@Nickstir84]

Just curious, is it not wise to use a fist weapon with sword?

[@FattyMcFatt]

Why do you need to use matching weapons? I know Sarthe mentioned it in the video, but I don't see why you can't use Fist + sword?

[@FattyMcFatt]

Just answered my own question, its in the text of dual wield specialization rune for anyone curious

[@Scottysaweet]

This class ruins every SOD phase with how busted they are at the start

[@Keilink]

Suprised the mail gear's better in full survival when we get so much more agility from talents + aspect of the lion ._.

[@twentytwo7707]

Unfortunately, i have never understood why "noharm" is written after target enemy. Shouldn't it rather be "harm"? Could someone please explain this to me? Many thanks in advance. :)

[@hillerstorm]

in the case of /targetenemy, the [noharm] after makes it so it only targets an enemy if *your current target is friendly* :)

[@twentytwo7707]

@hillerstorm Thank you very much. Does it mean, that it won't target an enemy, if I don't currently have a friendly target? It's hard to believe, because it is not often so, that I will target an enemy and have a friendly target bevore pressing the Makro.

[@roohni2226]

Don’t feign death to drop immolation trap. Its a straight up dps loss and meme. Its only good for aoe on 3+ targets with explo trap. Keep it for dropping aggro cuz u will pe pulling a lot.

[@ИванМатвеев-й2р]

meanwhile me as a ret swinging my 2handed gigasword for 200dmg per cs (5 sec cd) and ds (10 sec cd)

[@whydoyouneedmyname6508]

Lol turning hunters into warriors! What a crazzy addition to the game LoL

[@helzog100]

Man I picked hunter because I wanted to play ranged. why is a ranged class number 1 DPS melee spec

[@zemzem770]

Why scarlet pants are not interesting ?

[@putraaprillia3922]

so wheres i can find combat dummy(Horde side) likes in the video...maybe someones can help me tyvm

[@KingCorr30]

Anyone else having trouble physically learning Dash and Prowl rank 2? Like I have the pet, I know he has both, I’m just not learning it through beast training.

[@lolpocalypse]

why is the bm/surv build missing a skill point

[@johnmcfaull5438]

YOOOOO, THEY HOT FIXED MAGE WATER, you make 10 water now at lvl 40

[@curcicreations]

Hunters only weakness was the deadzone now it has become opposite in pvp :D if you go in melee range you get oneshot but from distance u might have a chance to run :D:D