Melee is Broken 2

[@pacifistminigun3987]

ice climbers can *freeze* an opponent in place i mean...it's a funny coincidence

[@andrew2000s]

Minigun It's both a funny and scary coincidence

[@swigtimefoxy4422]

Minigun you also get some poses out of it too.

[@gravity_cow]

OMG I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT XD

[@Zoumios]

permafrost

[@beegpappa7900]

@Ethan Jones piss off

[@guygaiden9501]

I did that freeze glitch to a few of my friends. I was never invited to play melee with them again.

[@succccccccccccccccc2328]

Haha my friends don't even like nintendo

[@tailsBOOM1992]

XD

[@apple5893]

This melee is INCREDIBLE

[@nikkigreen5651]

Lol 😂 it’s funny when they both do it am I right?

[@dolphinvoltage3339]

Nikki Green nah it funny when they all do it

[@HarmonicVector]

2:49 *literally skates half the stage to F-smash Fox*

[@captainmega6310]

Y I I P E

[@Neon_Probably]

Luigi is the most broken character in the game

[@_saitama1566]

@@Neon_Probably no icies

[@Neon_Probably]

@@_saitama1566 the voice in the bg

[@_saitama1566]

@@Neon_Probably oh well xD

[@gravity8120]

3:23 Pichu. A "really good character." Never thought that statement would one day become true.

[@CyclonSilver]

Goes to show that almost nobody understood Pichu in Melee, since the first thing that people always come up with is the self damage. The fact of the matter is, Melee Fox with self-damage would still be completely broken. It's all about the moveset.

[@stellr.]

was it not sarcasm?

[@Kono_Dio-Da]

Pichu was made bad on purpose though.

[@LonelyMatt]

stellr he’s good in ultimate that’s what he’s saying

[@austindoesvideos2244]

That didn’t age well

[@SleepyyLazyy]

He missed the perfect opportunity to say "Melee is 2 broken"

[@pppoopoo1811]

Lazyy faxx

[@graalis5195]

@@pppoopoo1811 u spelt facts wrong

[@finstokes9037]

fake2king bruh faxx is just saying facts but more Memeish idk how to describe it

[@chubnut3671]

fake2king ...

[@artimist0315]

But he can still say "melee is broken too !'

[@georgebushdidcovid1919]

3:23 a joke in 2001, a reality in 2019

[@zombies4evadude24]

Dstroy95 technically 2018

[@DementedDoritoOfdoom]

@@zombies4evadude24 DAMN YOU PATCHES!!

[@vepcat4803]

Demented Dorito Of doom I mean he’s still pretty good

[@ryanrusch8644]

Pichu in Ultimate is now seen as a mid tier

[@vepcat4803]

Ryan Rusch nah to me he’s like high B tier

[@InfernoPlus]

I have never heard of those techs. The ICs one is horrifying.

[@hps362]

Why is the Ness glitch under the banned category. Because it is, but this video just put it on its own for whatever reason.

[@Jcend]

hps362 There is not a single glitch involving Ness that is banned

[@dddmemaybe]

Yo-Yo Glitch is legal; it is very hard to get off in a live competitive game. if we've allowed wavedash glitch, and wobbling is allowed, tourney melee allows all non-stalling, non-game "crashing" glitches. That is what melee is all about really

[@Jcend]

dddmemaybe You can't consider wavedashing a glitch if Sakurai knew about it during development, and did nothing to change it.

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

Not Ness evidence shows that sakurai left wave landing in, not wave dashing. That's where people get stuff confused. You can even see this in smash ultimate, he didn't do anything to prevent wave landing but added a buffer to prevent wave dashing. The problem is melee players don't properly explain their technics so sakurai probably didn't even know there was a difference between wave landing and wave dashing or that wave landing was even a term.

[@No_Sleepee]

2:27 >invincible smash attacks Luigi: *Y I P P E E*

[@harrythegreat21person63]

TEAAPE

[@zombiespeedmaster7977]

HIIII

[@hyingplantilina48]

Y pee

[@yoshifan3611]

​@@zombiespeedmaster7977 PUFF PUFF PUFF PUFF

[@CoraCreates]

@@yoshifan3611SHu! SHu! SHu! SHu!

[@Mar1o_640]

Meele is broken because Luigi doesn’t have an original voice

[@lankyboi2521]

Fnullx don’t worry I am too luckily there are mods out there that replace his voice files with better ones

[@Mar1o_640]

SmashBros Memer well, I don’t have a PC, soooo...

[@lankyboi2521]

Mar1o 640 find an emulator that works on whatever computer you use

[@Mar1o_640]

Dead Shot 055 that’s Mario’s voice

[@IMCALgames]

And they forgot to dub Fox and Falco.

[@pug_of_worlds]

1% of comments: discussing glitches 99% of comments: *_Y I P E E_*

[@Procastinado]

Yo no vo este comentario v:

[@francodimeola1708]

@@Procastinado yo tampoco

[@rushledog]

Also: TEEEEEY

[@sharen7553]

No one talks about the Luigi's *O O -* on 3:24

[@OrganicInk_spl]

HIYAH!

[@Heeew]

How'd you guys feel about a brawl or 64 sequel?

[@codieb5612]

I still play Brawl a lot for casual fun. I'd love that. 64 would be awesome too

[@chunkerchip]

Heeew i would love to see both of them, mainly the N64 one

[@MeloBinary]

Heeew do brawl

[@buttersddragon]

Heeew yes

[@johnathonfilamonte6625]

Absolutely

[@TARINunit9]

1:20 "for some reason" And that reason being the programmers put a "4" when they wanted an "8". I'm not joking

[@user-vp9ry3km2c]

source?

[@TARINunit9]

@@user-vp9ry3km2c You can either check Smashwiki's Gentleman article for a full explanation, or you can check Melee's PAL version source code to see what variables they changed. The variable is known in pseudocode as "neutral infinite trigger value" (neutral = jab, infinite = multihit, trigger value = "how many times do you have to press _or release_ the A button in order to trigger the neutral infinite?") In the NTCS version Captain Falcon's nitv is a 4, meaning if you press the A button 3 times for a Gentleman, the nitv will read "6 > 4" and he will automatically do a mutihit jab. In the PAL version it's a 7, meaning if you press the A button 3 times, the nitv will read "6 < 7" and he will just do a Gentleman

[@TARINunit9]

@Byrd Rigsby The devs were going for "when button is pressed 4 times". But the variable counts up by one each time the button is pressed AND each time the button is released. The devs forgot about that second part

[@misanthropiclusion]

@@TARINunit9 oh no half an A-press was true all along

[@usernametaken017]

@@misanthropiclusion But an a press is an a press, you can't say it's only a half

[@elim9054]

Sixteen damn years and this is literally the first time I have ever heard that Kirby's up throw instantly spends all of his jumps.

[@KusogeMan]

i literally only use downthrow for obvious reasons

[@reydesonic]

WOW. Just when I thought Kirby couldn't be worse in Melee! Geez... Poor Kirby, man.

[@darkdjinniumbrage7798]

I mean, how do ya think he gets up there? :P

[@positv333]

so you never tried jumping after up throw

[@ResurgentRaven]

I still think he's worse in brawl. .....Except for his dash attack. His dash attack is crap in Melee.

[@DextremeArrow]

2:28 *Y I P P E E*

[@johnterrell1627]

2:50 too

[@thespy632]

*TEEEI*

[@mcroxas7936]

@@thespy632 T E A

[@justkeepbreathing3018]

john terrell that ones the best ive ever seen. YIPPEE *punches into another dimension*

[@zombies4evadude24]

THE LEDGE IS COMPLETELY BROKEN IN THIS GAME

[@DyllonStejGaming]

Nice addition of separating Tournament-Illegal jank with the legal jank.

[@Heeew]

Thanks man, yeah that'd be kinda bad if I promoted that lol

[@techno--]

GRRR WHY ISNT SHINE ILLEGAL AHH BAN WOBBLING BAN WAVEDASH BAN L-CANCEL!!!!!

[@guillaumegalienne6351]

dude wobbling really should be banned... Don't be silly.

[@dylancumberland8051]

Guillaume Galienne I think the reason wobbling isn't banned is because it makes you fight ice climber differently, and it doesn't focus the meta.

[@fromtheh3158]

It really is all jank. Id rather watch two people who have been playing smash for a long time duke it out instead of two dudes using things like invincibility frames and shit. These 'strategies' ruin competitive gaming for me.

[@JSins_]

1:25 I like how the audience gasped when it saw the hitbox

[@fabricioamirpairazamanmalc3370]

Perfect timing

[@xbgsheikiii3593]

Hello 2 years later

[@JSins_]

@@xbgsheikiii3593 Hi!!

[@djidjey3957]

​@@xbgsheikiii3593hi

[@Ludvix]

Dreams do come true

[@lewdcorrin4591]

A ludvix comment with only 2 likes. Huh.

[@TheOnlyUmbrilla]

Ludvix luvdix

[@cloroxhammer3289]

Ludvix & Knuckles

[@Will31999]

its ya boy blue chicken main

[@TheSoca123]

Falcon for lyfe

[@dcombat900]

2:27 YEEEEEEPE 2:29 TEEeEeEE

[@Andy_99]

:o

[@eucaliptus9099]

@@Andy_99 TEA

[@PotatoSoupThe64th]

You can almost *_feel_* the voice crack

[@zombies4evadude24]

GEY

[@LurkerLurkerLurkerLurker]

*TTeeeE*

[@blazingcyan1668]

Am I the only one to find Fox's death scream funny?

[@Werten25]

BlazingCyan WOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

[@valentds]

Narmak agreed

[@RyanKaufman]

Fox and Falco's Melee voice are so much better than any of the newer versions. I hate how stupid they sound now.

[@XaneMyers]

"WHAAT!"

[@N16isbetterthanhydeinsight]

i find that funny

[@frayzard]

Kirb got nerfed so hard after they realized what happened in 64

[@palpatinerocks3260]

Then meta knight came, then they did it again. Give any kirby character something good

[@Secret-ts8vn]

palpatine rocks The difference is that in smash 4 meta knight still high tier

[@verticaldorito]

Anonymous Sinonymous and now all Kirby characters are dog shit

[@FedoraKirb]

But... Kirby wasn’t even the best...

[@vmaru3951]

@@FedoraKirb in 64 he was one of the best characters

[@josp1277]

this is why I play shrek super slam

[@chunkerchip]

Flexxer Ginger is Top tier

[@Cunt143]

Little Red Riding Hood is banned

[@KCCCX]

That game was good

[@isaacargesmith8217]

CRUMPET DASHING

[@orangechicken1005]

why wouldn't you play it

[@sonnymadrill1644]

Don't forget Kirby with a damn pichu hat can hurt himself too. I SWEAR, THIS MAKES PIKACHU LOOK LIKE A MASTERPIECE!

[@vitorhenriquefarias8916]

not only that in ssf2 the game has this issue

[@audioshake6366]

Yeah, but Pichu in SSF2 is a hell of a lot better.

[@alexbaribeault]

Pikachu IS a masterpiece.

[@NintenJoeGamer]

Just a gimmick. Pichu hurts itself with electric attacks elsewhere too, they didn't just make it up for smash to differ from Pikachu

[@BunnyOnASnuman]

At least in Ultimate he's top tier

[@hedgehoggy147]

You forgot to mention the part where, despite half of Pichu's moves hurting itself and the character being intentionally designed as a joke character, Pichu still isn't actually the worst character in the game thanks to Bowser and Kirby

[@Brawler_1337]

William Eskridge Poe’s Law, everybody.

[@jubjub444]

Thats probably why Bowser is fucking cheap as fuck in Ultimate

[@k-leb4671]

@@jubjub444 Heavy characters shall finally rule Smash.

[@percwerc]

Also pichu Is high tier in smash ultimate now lol

[@trcwolf8589]

kirby isnt that bad he is just the worst against fox there is a video about this. Edit still not good

[@Edgeperor]

3:24 loses all sarcasm in Ultimate

[@ezmoney3599]

Does anybody realize how broken Pichu would be if there was rage in Melee?

[@eggchip2589]

Not that broken since Pichu dies extremely early.

[@dchu507]

Laughs in Pichu in Smash ultimate

[@thegoldenturd78]

Laughs in latest patch

[@DiegoG2004]

@@thegoldenturd78 Wby did you have to remember that to me...?

[@doctorbig2950]

hed be broken as in worse

[@YoungGouda]

2:19 is me every night a 10 pm

[@ejej_shej7958]

frostsaber07 O O F

[@oliviawallace3636]

s t o p

[@M1RACLEWEAVER]

_e h h n . . ._

[@Kyara7]

Wait at 10pm Ain't that a little early

[@Invaderchris9001]

@@Kyara7 that's pretty late tbh. Now if you did it at 3AM then it would be early

[@McMania22103]

2:15 welp time to ban the ledge from competitive melee

[@anexplosion5436]

Ban Melee from Melee.

[@spaceonisorceress4406]

@@anexplosion5436 best idea you win the comments section let's let the TO's know

[@derdeutschemitdempinguin4891]

@Jason Barrett well this comment is broken it also have to be banned

[@Dexuz]

@@anexplosion5436 Don't make me multi-shine on you.

[@anexplosion5436]

@@Dexuz Meet me at Ev- oh wait.

[@darky5065]

*_2:49_* *_Sonic:_* *_My_* *_New_* *_Precious_* *_Son_*

[@crack4184]

Y E E P E E

[@googlymoogleson1418]

Luigi betrayed his brother and went to the Dark Side.

[@Rishiyisus]

Melee machine 🅱roke

[@nintega21]

Rishi el paisano No, Melee m🅰️chine 🅱️r🅾️ke

[@MarioFan587YT]

Rishi el paisano Understandable, have a good day

[@somedonkus5215]

Tf u mean 🅱️?

[@morgana_the_cat]

Understandable, have a invincible shine

[@kurros1270]

🅱️elee machine 🅱️roke 🅱️

[@TheMGMfan]

You forgot one: Ness, when controlled by a Level- 9 CPU, is broken. In most cases, he works just fine, but on Jungle Japes, if you don’t do anything, he always immediately double jumps into the pit between the platform you’re on and the main platform, tries and fails to PK Thunder you, and falls down and dies. If you set it to stock and set the amount of stock to one, you can win within 3 seconds, 2 if the Klaptrap attacks him before he can preform PK Thunder, and you can do this over and over again to easily unlock characters. On that note, you can also easily get both Falco and the Kongo Jungle stage by playing as Donkey Kong and spamming Down-B until you completed both. I haven’t been able to clear 15-Minute Melee this way because there’s something always happens that causes me to fly out of the stage, and you can’t turn items off in this mode, but I was able to beat 100- Man Melee this way. EDIT: I played the game again yesterday and managed to beat 15- minute Melee.

[@DoctorNovakaine]

The DK method was how I first did it. I did eventually beat 15-minute Melee with Pikachu, but it took a long time.

[@jacobmonks3722]

The only other character I could beat 15 minute melee with is Fox. DK's down special really does the job better than anything else.

[@dracophoenixttv]

@@jacobmonks3722 I did it with Roy there is a trick to it the more you kill the harder they become you only have to endure the 15 minutes I did still kill 100 of them or more but still. But DK was my first method

[@gullible3842]

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that one and also the playable Master Hand Glitch

[@assassincharizard]

It took a long time...about 15 minutes maybe...

[@solomon9681]

Freeze glitch: Time has stopped. You don't even know you're dead. You have no way of knowing what happened...

[@Lh0000]

“And time flows once more...”

[@TheBonkleFox]

"eventually, fox stopped thinking"

[@CapemanProducti0ns]

_"Thanks! Now I'm gonna use the freeze on my friends! LOL"_ -Famous last words

[@Rricee]

This is why u play brawl competitively smh u nerds

[@SmashyPlays]

COMBO WOMBO project m

[@davidcirilo8537]

SmashyPlays project m? You mean pretend melee right

[@davidcirilo8537]

ghostdrops mike haze screaming ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@SHABANGHN]

Booce Lover ez money baby doll

[@davidcirilo8537]

SHABANG ez ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@aregularfan7506]

1:24 that zoom in on ness with the crowd gasp was so perfectly synced (also love the use of Kirby Air Ride music, one of the best and most underrated GameCube games by far!)

[@TheDoughboy1917]

Pichu is literally a high risk no reward character, he's the epitome of a joke character.

[@schmaffew2343]

I always thought of Pichu as a he, but if you pay attention to what he says it "her" what do you think?

[@MrNapkino]

Tbf every bottom tier in melee is high risk no reward.

[@Sam-tl4ho]

​@@schmaffew2343 yeah idk why all says her, its known the gender?

[@avokirby9149]

0:47 For a moment I thought it said Shrek’s Side-B...

[@bennetthobbitt9847]

someBODY ONCE TOLD ME

[@bennetthobbitt9847]

every time you use shreks side B he just says, Ogres are like onions. That would get really annoying but it would still be funny. OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES OGRES are like onions!

[@bennetthobbitt9847]

now we know why you can't taunt online anymore either. OGRES ARE LIKE ONIONS

[@MarioOnShrooms]

Onion breath

[@-biggs-5696]

One can dream...

[@mattutter3525]

You shoulda called it "Melee is 2 broken" Not sorry if someone said this already, I cba reading all the comments lol

[@stealthy9156]

I am 2 fast confirmed

[@fprosk]

2 Melee 2 Broken

[@NotPofkp]

@top text cant be assed

[@lesqueegly764]

5:04 I think they took the “ice” in Ice Climbers a little too literally

[@FoxieTheWordCapitalizer]

Underrated Comment 😂

[@banjoboi24]

For some reason, Falcon's jab is easier to perform in the PAL version, which i own. All you have to do is press the A button 3 times

[@SSB_Seal]

This is true

[@Cunt143]

yep they made it easier

[@iDarthDub]

The Pal version has glitch fixes and balancing edits.

[@banjoboi24]

DarthDub like Falco's Down-Air that requires to hit with the sweetspot, or Fox's Up-B that have been nerfed

[@kirjian]

DarthDub wrong, they left wavedashing it haHAA xd

[@sanaralerx9488]

I love that bit where Sheik uses the whip onstage and it just perfectly zooms in on it

[@LinklightGaming]

U have no idea how hard it was for us kids back in the day to beat those events without the C-stick. Back in 2004 the C-stick was the "cheap" way to play smash, so if you were caught using it you were a noob. So us Melee veterans understand that avoiding the C-stick made you a man. And beating that damn event with Luigi fighting Doc Mario and Nurse Peach was AIDS.

[@GameMasterWLC]

Linklight FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONS THAT! That fuckin sucked.

[@SSB_Seal]

You still can't use the c stick for events nothing has changed lol. Kids today have the same struggles. Also, only casuals think the c stick is cheap because they can't beat their friends spamming forward smash lmao.

[@LinklightGaming]

ye, i was 7 back in 2004, thats what we all thought lol. and no one plays melee single player anymore unfortunately. they just see the competitive part of the game and ignore the other amazing experiences this game had to offer.

[@Alleiptr]

Hi, green Sherwood.

[@iDarthDub]

I never use the c-stick.

[@OHKO]

Oh yes, the Kirby Air Ride music.

[@javierramirezdiaz3839]

OHKO i had that game also city trial was pretty fun i liked the alternate music for city trial better

[@OpiupAlmaManiac]

weres the ness on your avatar

[@Lily-tp6su]

I'm not entirely sure Kirby Air Ride ever existed, though I recall playing it.

[@famtomerc]

a vastly superior gamecube game

[@Cheeyze]

I know, it’s such a welcome callback

[@elevatordoor4457]

2:19 *"UUGGHHHH"* Ohh, Luigi 😏

[@d9vid799]

GamingSword Infinity i dont get it

[@ramadrian248]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@henrygutierrez3243]

GamingSword Infinity Luigi sounds like he's having a good time.

[@mrgameboy5727]

except thats marios high pitched voice

[@kirbo.1966]

2:27 *YEPEE*

[@quentindassance3244]

3:16 *Laughs in Smash Ultimate*

[@EluTran]

Wow, I was just watching Melee is Broken earlier, went out, then came home and saw you uploaded this. LOL Must've been fate

[@daviddavedav]

Wow it’s you

[@terminalcancer3746]

Titanium Turtle what?

[@wizzmaw3093]

Hey youre the guy from the undertale ost

[@raviolionrye9669]

so you watch these vids

[@terminalcancer3746]

@@raviolionrye9669 why did you respond twice?

[@thatgusgoose7458]

Now I’m buying melee. Why you may ask? So that I can finally beat my friend by freezing them in place.

[@saraskyline8331]

Archime47 no don't you will lose many friends

[@shadowbubbleMC]

@@saraskyline8331you've activated my trap card!! I don't have friends to lose!!

[@drbeanmachine]

Rolly The Wizard F

[@strange4107]

Next game play puff and spam bairs. Or play peach and spam float cancelled nairs

[@justafan9206]

@@saraskyline8331 yeet the Hyaaaaa.

[@clampfan101]

Heeew: 100% the most broken move in Melee Ice Climbers: Yup!

[@THEsauceboi6billion]

Popo: Nana...its time Nana: right *does f-throw* Popo: ZA WARUDO!!!

[@Gaius453]

WRYYY

[@DannyMeasho999]

shut up

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

I actually love this comment

[@phantomblue2798]

Wait, they're both two in one fighters, and that's technically what a stand is! HOLY FUCK GUYS I MADE A JOJO REFERENCE!

[@S3biss]

@@phantomblue2798 everything is a joke reference. *menacing*

[@Hacktendo64]

Lets face it... Melee woudn't be as great without its brokeness

[@xangelmoonx]

N64Hacking1.2 True, Wavedashing itself is broken, and that's an important tech.

[@Popo-lm3el]

N64Hacking1.2 tru

[@megamilo95]

Then suddenly a wild Bayonetta appeared...

[@saraskyline8331]

MegaMilo 95 then suddenly a wild Meta Knight appeared...

[@monoko1234]

Then suddenly a wild Kirby(of course the 64 one) appeared...

[@apmas2770]

@@monoko1234 you know Pikachu and Kirby both dominated 64

[@monoko1234]

@@apmas2770 Got it. But hold up, who should be appeared from Ultimate?

[@apmas2770]

@@monoko1234 We should probably wait for all the fighters

[@rogue9888]

5:04 Dio: *NOW ALL OF TIME HAS STOPPED*

[@jusesc]

Za Warudo

[@DerfMW]

Hey this video is really well put together, and I know I'm super late to commenting, just want to clarify a few things for people who are interested in learning more about some of these: 1. Meteor Cancels: So the way meteors work in melee is a little more complex than they appear at surface level. Without going too in depth, you essentially get a window to meteor cancel that can't be avoided, this isn't on the initial instance of the hit, but after hitlag ends. Trying to meteor cancel during hitlag locks you out of being able to meteor cancel for like 30 frames or so (in a practical sense, you die unless you are puff/kirby who can buffer meteor cancels). The lock out also happens just by holding up when you are hit (again, unless puff/kirby). Because hitlag is so important, in addition to the base knockback/velocity, certain meteors are considerably more powerful than others. Ganon and Falcon both have very powerful meteors with relatively low cool down and are able to effectively punish meteor cancels because of this. By comparison, Zelda has one of the weakest meteors in the game which is effectively useless as an edgeguard. Going back to the lock out, powerful meteors--provided they have fast start time--work well as DI traps since they require you to not be holding up when hit (which is common survival DI), so meteors like this are generally still very good edgeguard moves despite being able to be canceled. 2. Spikes: Spikes are super uncommon in melee, but 4 of the best characters in the game have them in NTSC versions of the game (falco, marth, falcon, fox). Spikes are crazy for all sorts of reasons and many of them act a little differently from each other. For example, Fox's down air does not spike in the same way as falco's, but its hitboxes are technically spike hitboxes (but multihit with fixed knockback). Functionally, this makes it worse as an edgeguard move, but it serves the purpose of breaking crouch cancel, since weak spikes and meteors into the ground activate a landing tumble as opposed to knockdown, which is a big deal in melee. The other important thing to note is that spikes and meteors have distinctly different base kb angles. Meteors send straight down (without DI), where spikes send at a down and out angle (again, with no DI). It's also worth noting that Marth loses his dair spike in the PAL version of melee and instead gets a meteor. This makes dair a less effective edgeguard, but the changed kb angle makes it a significantly better combo move. From what I understand, after melee all spikes were removed and replaced by meteors, but I think mechanically meteors work slightly different in the later games. I'm not an expert on the mechanics of the later games though, so I don't want to talk too much about that. 3. Kirby actually loses all of his jumps if hit out of any throw other than downthrow. It's most evident on uthrow because it pops you into the air on finishing. He's not the best designed character. 4. Gentleman is possible to get relatively consistent in NTSC, but it is very problematic. This issue was fixed in the PAL version of the game. 5. Yoyo glitch is wonky. It was also patched in PAL. 6. The ledge is typically one of the worst positions in the game, but certain characters are better in that spot than they should be (Fox). What makes the ledge broken isn't just the ability to come back onto stage invincibly, but that certain characters can retake center stage invincibly (Fox can ledgedash and run/walk to regain a ton of space). Characters like Luigi, marios, and Ice Climbers are able to take a lot of space with their ledgedashes and have decent amounts of active invincibility frames, but they are functionally much more linear than characters like fox or falco, so they get stuffed a lot more easily. The main point is that while ledgedashing makes the corner less bad than in the other games, it is still predominantly a losing position. 7. Not sure how to respond to the ledge trumping point, but that mechanic wasn't added until smash 4. Holding ledge as an edgeguard is definitely a little too strong in the first 3 games, but especially melee and 64. What is worse in melee is invincible ledgedrop attacks, which, while they make edgeguarding exciting, are pretty ridiculously broken, especially with things like fox's shine in the game. 8. Lots of characters have horrible dash grabs, this is usually avoided by doing jump cancel grabs instead. JC grab is where you jump after the running and then interrupt the jump squat animation (kneebend) with a grab, so you end up doing a standing grab out of dash. This mechanic was removed from later games, so characters with bad dash grabs are just stuck with them in those games. Unfortunately many of these grabs are so bad in melee, learning this technique is mandatory at a competitive level (i.e. Yoshi's dash grab extends into the z-axis and forces him to miss characters like sheik in her standing animation, so he needs to JC grab) 9. Falcon and Ganon's sideB wasn't given the function to autocancel into ledge snap yet in melee. This only exists for a very small number of moves in the game under specific circumstances (I.e. sheik and zelda's upB, but only from above the ledge, moving down). In other circumstances, recovery moves will complete their entire animation before snapping to the ledge. For example, when fox/falco upB or sideB to the ledge (unless from above, moving down), when they hit the wall they don't instantly snap, making them easier to edgeguard. Falcon and Ganon have the same issue with their sideB, but the animation continues after they begin falling and has a long cooldown before they enter the helpless state and are able to grab ledge again. Snapping to ledge was expanded to way more characters in brawl and smash 4. 10. Phantom hits are an unfortunate design flaw. Basically, why they happen is that there are multiple hitbox interactions happening whenever there is a collision. Pretty much you take damage, and the attacker experiences hit lag, as though they had gotten the hit, but the part that activates KB does not overlap. 11. Invisible Ceiling Glitch occurs if you have a certain amount of horizontal velocity when being attacked after hitting a shield. These get super weird and crazy, so I don't really want to try and explain them, but there are some good videos out there about it. 12. freeze glitch is a crazy phenomenon. The actual mechanical reasons it happens are confusing, but basically if something is in hitlag from a throw with nana when popo uses sideB, it gets frozen. This is easiest off of nana's throws, but it doesn't have to be. The glitch can also be triggered if the opponent throws nana when popo uses sideB. This includes command grabs like falcon and ganon's sideB. There are two different types of freeze too. Hard freeze is the more common one when an opponent can only be unfrozen by being pummeled or thrown by a hit throw (ICs up or forward throws), but there is also a soft freeze which happens under more specific circumstances where the frozen character can be unfrozen by any hit. Freeze glitch was also fixed in PAL. The moral of the story is that PAL is the superior version of the game.

[@JackBz]

This comment should be pinned, thanks for the super interesting read. I've only ever played the PAL version and thought I was a pro for having no trouble with falcon's gentleman

[@trainerwolfofhoenn]

there is no superior version to a crappy, poorly made game.

[@Dexuz]

@@trainerwolfofhoenn Project M (?

[@Thierce]

Pal sucks, 1.00 was the best version

[@KLil37]

This shit is for nerds

[@acedelta12]

4:00 This one literally changed an entire match, forever. Abate VS S2J.

[@over00lordunknown12]

4:55 That Ice Climber "Freeze Glitch" is just amusing... XD

[@TheGuyWhoPlayLOL]

Pichu You from Melee: "About half her moveset damages herself. Really good character." You in Ultimate: "F-tilt kills so early. She may be the best character!"

[@belletaunde102]

1:43 😂😂😂 ness pulls a straight scar-on-mufasa and the way the crowd gasps is perfect

[@ootfan7882]

Long live the king.

[@daryloliveros5257]

Those are F E A T U R E S

[@Versitax]

Deal Sealer yes, because a glitch is a feature of the game.

[@JohrnyReport]

@@Versitax the fucking joke, dude

[@Versitax]

JohrnyReport I hear others say the same thing

[@charlescampuz5812]

TheRandomDude That’s because s p a c e d out words like that aren’t meant to be taken seriously here.

[@SupaNoob_]

TheRandomDude whooooosh

[@CapitandodleR]

To this day I still don´t know what´s the point of Pichu in this game.

[@PipePlazaStudios]

Same reason Dan Hibiki exists, joke character. Funnily enough it's considered better than Kirby and Bowser cause some of the moves it borrows from Pikachu have pretty good frame data.

[@lewdcorrin4591]

You take that back, Dan Hibiki is a perfect character.

[@medicineman5344]

Pichu exists as a joke character. One good example is Dan hibiki.

[@kibryhouse505]

DodleR guess who’s back

[@inuken4309]

Pichu is beautiful back tf up

[@Realsham_b]

2:19 Luigi have a great time 😂😂

[@zombies4evadude24]

1:33 is the coolest part because of how badass the music to game syncing is.

[@ShadowKryzis]

So... Peach side B stalling is banned from tournaments but Ness hidden Up-Smash hitbox of *Broken dreams* isnt?

[@ShadowKryzis]

NintenTwister busted jank is still busted lmao. It just takes 1 person to use him well and he'll go up a tier... maybe

[@pancho66207]

It's extremely hard to pull of in tournaments, that's the reason why it's not banned.

[@TheMansterTruck]

@@ShadowKryzis It's not busted enough to overcome all his other shortcomings. Ness' weaknesses are just way too exploitable for him to make enough use of it

[@xanious3759]

same reason why Samus's super wavedash isn't banned, doesn't really destroy the metagame or anything and isn't always super practical.

[@natnew32]

Peach can- and will- use it to recover, it's just the stalling aspect that's banned.

[@HaxHaunter]

oh... after watching the whole video i can finally realize why Sakurai wonders why people still cling to melee event hough he thinks the game is not his best work lol

[@TuxRacing69]

In case you are actually wondering I guess Ill tell you, there are three main aspects really, 1 the competitive aspect of the game, 2 the community, and 3 the nostalgia people have with the game, the game is just really competitive because of how much you can do, well with the top tiers atleast, melee is not a game for... I dont like this word but casuals, if you want to enjoy melee you have to dedicate yourself to it, its not fun playing melee and just getting destroyed, but it is fun in melee to just destroy people, the community is not that good in general, a lot of people are very salty and annoying in the community, but it has its moments, the game has been out for more than 15 years and a lot has happened, in terms of the games meta and the players, its honestly a really cool story, then there are just people who have grown up with the game, and while the game only has 26 characters and 5 legal stages new things happen constantly, every session with a friend or a group of friends brings something new, to a lot of people who dont shower or brush their teeth this game is an absolute blissful experience that can be topped by no other... wow I really just went on, well there goes like 3 minutes of my life. but yeah melee is pretty cool.

[@zilatheraibukage]

@@TuxRacing69 Actually, Melee is as the other Smash games, for casuals. It's just that the game has more than intended *Cough* Glitches *Cough* and that's why it became a "Competitive" game. Honestly, Brawl is Better than Melee, and if it wasn't by the ugly nerfs and the tripping, it would be called the perfect game

[@ogreaggressuv]

@@zilatheraibukage are you serious? Brawl is the worst, mechanics wise. No other smash game has a random tripping mechanic. Thats not a glitch. I still cant believe they put that shit in. And on top of that, no other smash has a character as broken as double S tier meta knight..

[@ogreaggressuv]

@@zilatheraibukage just watch this youtuber's video on why brawl is broken.

[@mr.snaplles5964]

SWAAAAN he said excluding the tripping

[@FelipeRiveraV]

Roy's Up-Smash can spike, that sh*t is broken.

[@thatonekidsin3116]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA no

[@dr_rl123]

I think it can happen in Smash 4 as well? I swear I saw a clip of it happen once.

[@creeeamy7133]

Yes, yes it can, though it's extremely uncommon, Sm4sh Roy's up smash can spike if you manage to hit the right hitbox from the right angle. Roy's upsmash will trap opponents and if they get hit by the outer hitboxes can be dragged back in, sometimes near the ledge they will simply pop out rather than hitting the center hitboxes. At least that's how I think it works from experience.

[@dr_rl123]

roy's weird lol

[@toontownveteran]

Felipe Rivera Vidal I have done that before! I'm pretty sure you have to hit your opponent with the side of roys up smash

[@FierceFlame9001]

A low of the slow motion stuff looking at hit boxes reminds me of the teacher in incredibles pointing to the TV and saying “See? He moved!!”

[@assassincharizard]

Bernie...

[@CreativeNameSMH]

4:17 HA **loading** C **loading** HA! **you have lost connection**

[@SXR123_YT]

these are great and I'd love to see more of the melee ones

[@WittingStudios]

Its almost like this game is really broken.

[@pancho66207]

But... it is.

[@yvonneoduah3762]

That's the joke.

[@coolguy02536]

I think you’re on to something.

[@chrisdippertheirateshitter2653]

2002

[@simeonrice6047]

Nah, it can't be...well..wait maybe...hm...then there's...also that...carry the two...huh. Well dang. It's broke.

[@mr.mcnugs2987]

Fox: *exists* Everyone: *confused screaming*

[@custardly2310]

"UUUAAHHHHHHHHHHHH" -Fox

[@mr.mcnugs2987]

*terrified screaming”

[@kurros1270]

@@custardly2310 Flaco mains: *Autistic screeching.*

[@eduard8466]

HIYA

[@lykos2327]

MISHEN COMPREE

[@The_AuraMaster]

"In 1 player mode the c-stick doesn't do attacks and instead controls the camera" This explains so much!

[@surge7652]

"all these moves hurt [Pichu], great character" little did he know about the wrath of ultimate Pichu

[@FBI-sp4ef]

Goes to a tournament Plays as Pichu Battle fox,final destination no items Wins the tournament NOW THIS IS A REAL PROFESSIONAL!!

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

That's a funny way of spelling Kirby.

[@TheMansterTruck]

Mew2King, one of the best Melee players in the world, thinks that Pichu actually beats Fox on final destination because if Pichu grabs fox once he can chaingrab fox all the way to death.

[@Lh0000]

Wait, what?!

[@abicto]

@@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa for some reason there is quite of people thats uses kirby in tournaments and they sometimes get top 8

[@MartyMcNinja]

I love these videos, they're always really funny and clearly meant to be enjoyed mostly from a stance of "I'm not saying these games suck just that they have hilariously awful flaws". Thank you for making them! HOWEVER one thing no one seems to know is how easy it is to gentlemen once you understand the right technique. It has nothing to do with precise timing and it's super consistent once you understand it. I'm dropping this info here in case anyone might see it: Press A three times consecutively (while hitting a target, ideally from the first hit but it can work even if you only land hit 2 or even 3) and hold down A on the third press. THEN (key part most guides miss) input a movement command while STILL HOLDING A (jump, dash, crouch, etc) and you'll successfully gentleman. Then of course let go of A after youve transitioned into the new state (running/jumping etc). The only "precise timing" is getting the feel for when you start the dash/wavedash etc after the 3rd hit but that's ezpz to get a feel for. Super easy, no "A...A...A..." crap you see people talk about etc. Try it out!

[@JoseMedina-mi9cn]

My uncle is way better than me in Super Smash Bros. Melee,so I want to use the Ness glitch and when I win,I want to say,"Victory is finally mine." In Japanese

[@Heeew]

Im losing my mind

[@smolbabby]

Does your uncle use Marth? If yes, that make sense

[@bombiss_9124]

Jose Medina my uncle plays a different kind of Smash Bros. with me

[@peep3879]

@@bombiss_9124 WOAH MAN

[@theHatted]

Boku no kachida yo!

[@AverageHandle_]

I like how in ultimate pichu is top tier while still hurting itself lmao

[@NoyaTrocchiel]

The rage...

[@seabass64]

“Melee is the best smash game” -competitive players

[@reapernix4651]

Nah it’s not the best game, just the most competitive, in my opinion.

[@seabass64]

@@reapernix4651 ok (i almost forgot this comment existed)

[@reapernix4651]

@@seabass64 lol

[@qunt100]

@@reapernix4651 I feel like for alot of people, melee is a huge turn off, just simply because it basically revolves around mastering how broken everything is. That is really what it comes down to, and alot of players just want a more balanced experience at the end of the day. I will say that, melee is definitely the fastest smash bros game to date. No other game comes even close. I love all the smash games though, and I try to have an objective mindset. And I feel like smash 64 is kind of somewhere in the middle in terms of speed. I dunno, I just feel like every time I am playing melee, been playing recently. I always feel like I am moving and fighting like super fast. I can never keep up when playing as fox. He flies off stage fast and falls fast to. As I am not a competitive person by nature, I just play casually, but it is easy to understand and see why so many people love melee. It is really fast. But it is also incredibly broken to. If you can forgo all the broken mechanics and characters and glitches and all that, provided you can understand them and learn how to play all the top tier characters in the broken unintended states, then you can really enjoy melee competitively. Me personally, I want a more modern game that is pretty much just like melee with pacing, but where everything is balanced, and all characters can actually be used. Because that is the sad state to me. No one really plays other characters because they all suck. Everyone plays fox and marth and falco because, once you learn how to exploit all their broken mechanics, they are just simply untouchable. I think melee would be alot more approachable if there were more options. Just kind of annoying that most characters in melee are just downright pathetic in a competitive setting though. Like you might as well not even have them at that point. Casual play is casual play. But competitive play in melee is so min max based. Memorizing all the broken mechanics and everything else. Not near as much work for ultimate.

[@lgflbrandyascognac]

3:05 Pichu has no soul (it's got no expression)

[@AtroSpecter]

Pichu's attacks hurting itself is explained by the Pokedex: Pichu, the Tiny Mouse Pokémon. A pre-evolved form of Pikachu. Despite their size, Pichu release bursts of electricity that can shock even humans. However, Pichu are unskilled at controlling their electricity, and sometimes release it by accident when surprised, or when laughing and shock themselves.

[@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283]

Like the Pokedex should be trusted

[@ProfessorBear404]

Total solar eclipse and now this? Truly we live in an age of miracles.

[@ConMakesFunni]

5:35 welcome to smash planet in this episode we will be taking a look at the ice climbers oh my they are celebrating their victory

[@catwithchill3444]

5:10 at this point fox is just a pinata at at kids party

[@qunt100]

For real. He sounds really funny when he gets hit or when he dies. He is also broken in good hands to.

[@risky399]

Oh my god, Heeew posted the day before i go back hell. What a GOD

[@JosepiThe13th]

martin polhemus ???

[@RumicNerd]

school

[@WoobinTheScrub]

Best last day of summer present

[@harryvpn1462]

The freeze glitch can be performed with any nana throw, its just that fthrow is the easiest to pull out since it has a 4 frame window to hit the side b, unlike the other 3 throws, which all need the side b to be frame perfect

[@coolguy02536]

They really didn't need to remove the TUTUTUTUTU from Falcon's multi-jab though.

[@heater1237]

4:10 That’s the StreetPass Mii Plaza Main Theme 3 slowed down. I really used to like StreetPass back in the day.

[@trikronika]

Bless PAL for ez gentleman

[@negan2714]

The ledge with Luigi is why I love him in Melee.

[@goldencheeze]

1:58 “enemy stand” nice

[@PotaraP]

That’s the mode the CPU is in

[@lincolnspencer120]

“Spikes are rare” Ultimate: EVERYBODY HAS A SPIKE. EVEN DR MARIO

[@user-vp9ry3km2c]

"everybody" fox doesn't...

[@lambdadelta6140]

Fox doesn't need one. You only need to dash attack and spam aerials and it's a free win

[@aloevera3317]

@@user-vp9ry3km2c Give Fox a spike, they said. It would be fair, they said.

[@WhimsicottFanatic]

@@aloevera3317 I'm pissed that I found that so funny

[@gfolzone8898]

Bowser jr

[@sanguine2334]

Melee is Broken 3 Bowsers D-Throw doesn’t do damage to specific characters most known to be Jigglypuff

[@DoktorVicTim]

Well, funny thing that's one of the few things that was fixed in the PAL version. Although Marth's down air is a meteor and not a spike there. There... was an attempt of balance before it came out on PAL.

[@opggez391]

Thanks man best bday gift ever

[@Heeew]

happy birthday!

[@kinanschannel6016]

Jordan Khan mine was 3 days ago

[@opggez391]

its lit

[@Zykrath]

"That right there took 20 tries" LMAO had me rolling 😂

[@Jlaubster]

i mastered wobbling to annoy my friends, now im definetly going to master that freeze one, cause thats fair

[@pokeblue596]

The freezing one cracked me up, I dunno why, probably cause I was picturing all the rage players would get before it was banned from Tournaments when this happened

[@CoreyDehMan]

So you're telling me That turning yourself into a walking Ness Up-B explosion Is tournament legal God Bless

[@AkiraSatou]

Well yeah, because it only stays active for one interaction, meaning you can't stay that way the entire match, it's one and done until you set it up again, which is hard to do mid match as is.

[@keystone5750]

How do you think ice climber mains will feel, now that they have to work for their wins?

[@xanious3759]

The freeze glitch has been banned for years and wobbling isn't going anywhere.

[@michaelbowman6684]

I think he was talking about Ultimate.

[@xanious3759]

@@michaelbowman6684 probably, but he didn't specify that he was talking about ultimate at all. (on the topic of icies in ultimate, im fine with wobbling being gone since desyncing is still a thing)

[@ITGKrosis]

@George Cortes It ain't patched. To take note, Ice Climbers has *3* infinites.

[@MrNapkino]

@@xanious3759 aged poorly

[@kiraunos2269]

Omg I'm so glad you talked about Ness' glitches! I love them!

[@joxxter4797]

you forgot one problem out of all of it. Melee HD

[@user-is2zv4sc6y]

Does anyone else remember Tom and Jerry War of the Whiskers.

[@pickle24]

Holy shit I do

[@TheDoomMaster]

And this has to do with Melee how?

[@LightningCayo]

2:20 At 0.25x speed. You’re welcome. “EEEEEEEEEHHH.”

[@shoxk9981]

I can't believe you didn't talk about Luigi's voice I swear if I hear him say "YiPPeE" one more time I'm going to smash my head through my monitor.