Melisandre Is a Targaryen! Secret Revealed! Game of Thrones

[@patriciagustafson216]

If she is really old like portrayed in game of thrones, they should show her in house of dragons.

[@y.s.mnails7834]

Wow...that would be amazing

[@forgoogletotrack7181]

I think they're going to. The actress said she would be open to appearing in HOD.

[@dickthomas4670]

If bloodraven wasn’t born yet how would she appear in the show… The Blackfyre Rebellion happened after the Dance

[@SunDogGod]

Also she would probably be in essos

[@jmeds94]

@@dickthomas4670 People don’t like to think

[@anamariecameron7874]

we need to have a tv series about the red witch

[@spokraket4236]

I have a suspicion we already have…

[@tessdurberville711]

They should add her to House of the Dragon. It needs an interesting character.

[@cypressstoner2532]

I agree with you 💯

[@kassjazzy]

Yes and at least partially set in Asshai

[@BluhmGardens]

More specifically, her time in Asshai

[@danielwilliamson6180]

A Targaryen??? You can't be serious! If this so and if she was Three-Eyed Raven's own daughter and believed she was serving the lord of light. Three-Eyed Raven may have been manipulating her all her life and appeared to her in visions masquerading as the Lord of Light and Melisandre and Bran Stark were his pawns in his game for the Seven Kingdoms.

[@youngzoe305]

I don't know she was immune to poison and fire I dunno how the three eyed raven could of did that lol

[@jmeds94]

Could be, but I think it’s more just poetic that a servant of the fire religion and a servant of the ice religion turning out to be father/daughter is poetic symbolism.

[@nelsonmartin3549]

she is not a targaryen because she said she was brought and sold as a slave

[@murderfaery5715]

You forget the bald dude (im drawing a blank on the name) was bought and sold as a slave and has blackfyre (targaryan,((i know i probably butchered the spelling)) ) blood flowing through his veins. His genitals were cut off and burned because he carries the blood of kings the blood of the dragon

[@carastone3473]

@@murderfaery5715you’re talking about lord Varys

[@murderfaery5715]

@carastone3473 thank you. I was drawing a massive blank. But yeah there are many targaeryan bastards throughout westeros and essos so not out of the realm of possibility of her being tied to the lineage.

[@TheThreeEyedRaven]

The bald dude ___! You made me laugh hard 😂

[@bonbonvegabon]

Your joke of a page makes me laugh all day every day@@TheThreeEyedRaven

[@davidmcintyre8145]

At least one Targaryen princess wound up in a brothel so Mellisandre could come from that line

[@itsmainelyyou5541]

No, not likely. Melisandre was said to be anywhere from 100 to 400 years old. Not everyone is a Targaryen. She very likely predates Aegon IV's bastards by a good chunk. I think she's a bigger overarching thread we've yet to see that has had great effect on house Targaryen without being of them. There really is no point of her being Targaryen.

[@jmeds94]

The connection between her and Shiera Seastar is undeniable. There are so many literary clues suggesting it (if she’s her mom that makes her the “red star” just keep that in mind). She has a vision of Bloodraven and Bran and is convinced that he is the Great Other, then she starts her period. Then Jon dies. She IS the “Bleeding Red Star” that Jon will be reborn under. Her being from halfway around the world, practicing a fire religion, then coming face to face with her even older father who practices the ice religion at the same time as the second coming of Azor Ahai might be the WILDEST thing happening in this entire story and you’re downplaying it. And the evidence is all there, it holds up as one of the most likely theories in a sea of BS tinfoil. We do not have evidence of her having to be over 100 years old, that is pure conjecture. We just know she is very old.

[@aspreedacore]

@@jmeds94 I fact checked you and you are completely right

[@BluhmGardens]

@itsmainelyyou5541 Targaryen, no. From a higher status Old Valyrian family, maybe... The Doom happened right around 400 years before we see Melisandre in the series, and there were great magicians in Old Valyria. You yourself said she could be up to 400 years old... She very well could be a bastard child of one of the Valyrian magicians that caused the Doom, sold off to slavers in Asshai before the Doom happened. I know people pass off the idea, but she DOES have pure white hair (no grey) once she takes off the talisman and we see her true form. With this series there is no reason to assume her hair is only white because of her extreme age.

[@SarahPriceMoore]

This is a new theory for me. And I like it. I’m not saying I agree. I just like it.

[@jmeds94]

There’s a lot more evidence that was not in the video

[@WickedPrince3D]

A note that a few times during the show (If I remember correctly) we are shown what she looks like when she's not wearing the glamour creating the image most know her by. In her ending; as her powers faded; that glamour also faded showing the world her true self before she died. To all appearances when she wasn't wearing her glamour she was FAR older than 3ER.

[@BluhmGardens]

Yet still extremely pale and had pure white hair, with not a lick of grey... I predict she IS Valyrian, but the bastard child of someone from a greater Old Valyrian House before the Doom happened. Perhaps the bastard child of one of the Old Valyrian mages who caused the Doom, sold to a magical contact in Asshai shortly before the Doom happened. Would be an AWESOME tie-in to an Old Valyrian series about the Doom.

[@WickedPrince3D]

@@BluhmGardens Well yes, when people get old they often get pale as their body no longer produces as much melanin, ditto for the hair. I'm ten days out from 62 and most of my hair is white. She was around ten times my age, so the oddity would be if she did not have pale skin and white hair. Now if we ever saw her when she was say, 20, and she had these traits I'd believe you. But she had lived many lifetimes of normal humans.

[@BluhmGardens]

@@WickedPrince3D so you're just going to compare yourself to a fantasy world where pale skinned/white haired people of all ages were once common? I'm 48 and most of my hair and beard are white, but there is still grey in it and I bet there is in yours too. And my 68 year old mother has the same dark olive skin tone she's had her whole life, so maybe you're getting pale because you don't get enough sun... You do know that most Caucasians do NOT get more pale as they age, right? Neither does any other race...

[@WickedPrince3D]

@@BluhmGardens These people, despite the magic, are still humans. And when was the last time you saw a 600 year old living human? And IMHO the point still counts, we see clearly she's not being kept in the bloom of youth, it's all an illusion. As you get older your body produces less melanin and your skin and hair start to get paler and paler. I think it's more likely that her pale skin and hair are simply several hundred years of aging without dying. It's a neat theory, but I don't believe it. Also noting that Martin has said he's been trying to keep the series as close to reality as possible considering the setting.

[@onebadscientist]

@@BluhmGardens what a weird thing to say...I had to disregard everything you said. Woah, weird.

[@captainmike5303]

When she took off her necklace her hair turned white

[@obsidian00]

Redheads Man...Redheads! 🥴😩🤤

[@SarahPriceMoore]

As a redhead, I concur. ❤😂😊

[@tinahs8269]

According to World the blackfyre rebellions and Bloodravens time as hand was in the 210s and 220s...Melony would've been born by then or during that time. Our start of GOT...Robert's rebellion was in 281. So, Mel could've been in her late 60s or 70s. Older than she appeared, although not as extremely as the show stated.

[@sophiawilson8696]

She is about 300 years old.

[@mappingshaman5280]

Melisandre is a lot older than the 210s and 220s. For reference, walder frey was born in 208 AC. You are not telling me that melisandre is younger than walder frey

[@lunaskye621]

I believe Melisandre isn’t a Targaryen but I also don’t believe she is possibly older than Argon the conqueror. I believe she is somewhere between 100-300 years old. The other priestess Kinvara I believe would be 400+ years old. Melissadre does things that sometimes show a lack of wisdom and understanding. Thinking back on the warning Kinvara gave Dany, she didn’t encourage Dany to pursue the fight against the long night but the opposite as there was only ruin waiting for her. I hope there is a GoT sequel that wraps up all the loose ends and redeems this series in the eyes of fans.

[@damienhughes1996]

Honestly the last couple of seasons D&D definitely made it nigh impossible for them to redeem themselves they didn't flesh things out like I can say that Jon Snow's Direwolf Ghost is an albino like drumroll please Blood Raven aka the 3 eyed Raven. I doubt they would sell their daughter ever they didn't want for wealth and they could teach their daughter way more than selling her to a God that is in direct competition to their own God's they worship the Old God's Which I believe are all Lovecraftian there's so many hints you'd have to be blind to miss them. It also has ties to Sesame st Grover Tully, and a few more the Kraken from the Iron Island's and the things that use the slimy oily black stone there's proof of these stones all over the world where westoros resides. I think maybe GRRM put mysteries in his world that mirrors things of fiction in our world like sesame st it's a very Dark Tower connection by Stephen King how all his novels tie together he's had the multiverse before anyone I guess wow mind blown.

[@BluhmGardens]

I've said this a couple times in replies, but you seen to know more. Let me toss out this theory for ya. Melisandre IS Valyrian, but from a much higher status Old Valyrian House than the lowly Targaryens. Except for the few exceptions that pop up due to dormant recessive genes, the Targaryens where never a high status House in Old Valyria due to their lack of magic users. But the higher status Houses had dominant-gene magic users that could command great powers. Powers strong enough to cause the Doom, which happened right around 400 years before the events of the HBO series. One could say that Melisandre's pale skin and pure white hair that we see without her illusion are because of her extreme age. But it is just as likely that she is in fact Valyrian. Just Old Valyrian... After going to the Wiki to read up on Melisandre, I noticed it places her birth in Asshai during 100 BC, to a mother who was a slave. It's close enough to the Doom that she very well could be the bastard child of an Old Valryian from a magical House who was sent to train in Asshai shortly before the Doom happened in 102 BC. Or one that survived the Doom by being in Asshai at the time. Wisdom is not gained by age, it's gained by recognizing failures as actually being lessons to learn from. I don't think Kinvara is First Servant because she's older than Melisandre. I'd say they are around the same age (maybe half-sisters), and probably trained together as young ladies. But Melisandre consistently shows an inability to learn from her mistakes, a character flaw that probably held her back for centuries until she was forced to deal with her utter failures with Stanis.

[@phnompenhandy]

Okay, this is interesting and warrants further analysis. You say she has an inherent magic ability that becomes stronger the nearer she is to the weirwoods/3-ER. Yet she learned magic at Asshai which is as far from that region as it is possible to get. How do you square that geographical anomaly?

[@jmeds94]

What do you mean? Like how did she get over there? She was born into slavery as Melony. Her journey took her further east. Her affinity for magic made her a good candidate for red priestess. Asshai is popular for its red dye which could be used for dying her hair. She has king’s blood and doesn’t even know it.

[@SmellyMellyization]

What an interesting theory! Yes I think it is certainly possible.

[@jmeds94]

Shiera Seastar- the daughter of Serenei of Lys and Aegon the Unworthy. A Targaryen bastard and the half sister of Bloodraven who came to be her greatest admirer. Her mother died in childbirth. This is how she is described: beautiful, slender, slim of waist, full of breast, with a heart-shaped face. She believed in prophesies. She was obsessed with silver and would never wear gold. She had different colored eyes, one green and one blue. Like her mother Serenei, she practiced the dark arts to preserve her appearance. Shiera’s death is absent from the histories, blatantly hinting at her ultimate fate having some measure of importance and will be revealed eventually. Since it may be likely that a maester never recorded her death, it isn’t far-fetched to presume she left Westeros at some point and was never heard from again. This is how Melisandre is described in A Clash of Kings: "Slender she was, graceful, as tall as most knights, with full breasts, and a narrow waist, and a heart shaped face. Men's eyes that once found her did not quickly look away, not even a Maester's eyes. Many called her beautiful." Compelling evidence. But what do we know about her that disputes this idea? She's tall, she has red hair, she’s more into gold than silver (she has a gold choker necklace), she has the same colored eyes (red), and finally we know she has memories of being a slave with some connection to the name "Melony." The theory suggests… After becoming pregnant with Bloodraven's child, Shiera left Westeros to go to Lys (where Serenei was from) and was captured by slavers. Melony was born into slavery and her journey led her to eventually became a Red Priestess of Asshai. We know very little about Asshai, but one important detail we are given is that they are very advanced in the use of red dye. Red dye that could be used to change the color of Melony’s Valyrian hair. I see no reason why the show would make up their own twist about Mel being old instead of young. I seriously doubt the books will change that about her character, so it’s safe to say she’s an old woman hiding her appearance. Since she’s used a glamour on Mance it was already speculated that her glowing ruby necklace was a type of magic she has been using on herself. And if the magic is only glamour, then it wouldn’t extend her lifespan. Meaning she can’t be hundreds of years old. During the Sworn Sword in year 211 we know Shiera is in King’s Landing and hasn’t left Westeros yet. In 233 Bloodraven is sent to the wall, likely putting Shiera’s exodus and Mel’s birth somewhere between those years. This makes her anywhere between 67 and 89 in the current year. I believe we’ll find out in another D&E when exactly Shiera left and why. My conjecture is that the dark arts practices are something Mel inherited from both her mother and her grandmother Serenei. Of course it could be that Shiera died in childbirth and Mel learned everything when she was becoming a priestess in Asshai. This would suggest that she doesn’t know who she is and her being drawn to the use of magic is just an inherited trait. Let’s put a pin in that. She inherited her father's height (he was quite tall), cryptic nature, Blackwood heritage (affinity for magic), and even King's blood (ironic right?). This also gives much more meaning to the vision she has of Bran and Bloodraven. She falsely thinks she is seeing the enemy because she is so shaken by the importance of this man. She and her father seem to parallel each other religiously which is also fantastically fitting. Also, during the vision blood trickles down her thigh... Consider this, Mel is the embodiment of red. Red dress, red ruby necklace, red god, she is the “red woman.” If Shiera is the star of the sea, it’s not exactly a stretch to say that Mel is the “Red Star” and if she is in the right place at the right time to resurrect Jon Snow... she could be the Red Star Bleeding to fulfill the prophecy of the rebirth of Azor Ahai. I think this reveal that Martin has been building up to is designed to make Mel a more likeable character. Of course, we’ll hate her more with the burning of Shireen (assuming that happens), but since she now has her own POV chapters we’ll get to see into her motivations and mental state. It’s very possible that she doesn’t know her father is Bloodraven or anything about her true identity. And although they’ve never met and are both incredibly old and knowledgeable by now, it’s very likely Mel and Brynden will die never knowing about each other’s existence. So if this was where the theory stopped I’d say it was a damn good, highly possible theory, but could still be off... But there’s one more description of her to put the nail in the coffin. “Her sleeves were full of hidden pockets, and she checked them carefully as she did every morning to make certain all her powders were in place. Powders to turn fire GREEN or BLUE or SILVER...”

[@pastars7457]

Very astute synopsis 👏👏👏

[@agnieszkamajcher3532]

so, judging by her appearance without the choker, she is much older than her supposed father, right?

[@soniandukwe8981]

The red eye is her strangest feature??? Hmm I think the weird spirit demon baby that emerged from her lady hole was stranger 😂

[@ohheyemmi]

Right? I was like....didn't she give birth to a shadow demon that killed someone hundreds of miles away....?

[@Templarswordxx7]

Very excellent 👏 👌

[@cypressstoner2532]

If true it'll make a very good backstory for the character. If not then it's one awesome fanfiction story. 👍

[@Dracorientalis]

I would say you made it up... like a lot of these videos!

[@nfapeng187]

I guess Tom Brady was a descendent from the Night King, thats where he got his throwing abilities.

[@dorishamilton1086]

I hope she is a Targaryen. Then we can see when she was born. Or how she became a priestess...❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@mappingshaman5280]

Except in the books she sees the three eyed raven in a vision and thinks he's the enemy. So how could he be her father?

[@crazylarryjr]

Religious Zealots can perceive family as enemies, Just as easily as a Tom, Dick or Harry. If she's bought into the Lord of Light, anything else would be blasphemous, even if it was family

[@mappingshaman5280]

@@crazylarryjr but why does she not recognise him as her father?

[@crazylarryjr]

@@mappingshaman5280, If she was sold off before she was a year or two old, it is highly unlikely she'd remember the faces of her parents

[@thomasj3701]

Didn't she see the three eyed crow not the raven? I'm certain there is a difference. Grrm basically explains the difference every time he writes about crows or ravens. Two different entities. Though, the theory is clumsy with a lot of squinting.

[@jmeds94]

She doesn’t know he’s her father. She perceives a great significance which shakes her, so how he is significant is likely unclear. He also may not know he has a daughter if Shiera disappeared shortly after she became pregnant. She is obsessed with king’s blood- the irony is that she has king’s blood and doesn’t even know it.

[@BladeofBardotta]

Fucking amazing man, I was thinking this myself when I was reading the novels! To watch this makes me so fucking pleased ❤

[@BladeofBardotta]

Sorry for swearing raven mate, I was excited as hell.

[@misookaaa]

This is now my headcanon.✨

[@TH3DUDE0075]

Yes but the show ruined the thing with Rhaenyra’s children by race swapping House Velaryon and giving Princess Rhaenys silver hair - she was supposed to have black hair like her mother meaning Laenor’s kids could have possibly inherited black hair from him that way - similarly Rhaenyra’s grandfather was an Aryn and we don’t know his hair color - we don’t know westerosi genetics, black could be recessive when compared to Valyrian silver making it possible though unlikely that Rhaenyra’s kids weren’t bastards

[@ZombicidalMadMom81]

While it could be possible that Melisandre is a Targaryen, she's 100% not the 3 eyed Raven's daughter; she's at least a couple hundred years older than him. I think her origin story starts in Essos, perhaps born to a slave's life, then sold to the church of Fire God R'hllor (can't remember how its spelled0

[@yoda__kush6779]

She isn't she is melony of lot 7 she's over like 300 man she probably walked valyria

[@JLCRH]

Since ASOIAF will probably never be completed (too many vanity projects &$ to do) we'll probably never find out.

[@GROK99]

Didn't i hear she may be a wilding? Taken from someplace like Hardhome in an attack or slavers.

[@sophiawilson8696]

No way! Not in books version. Raven was 123 years ago.

[@nidafatima439]

when Mel. take her necklace off her hair become silver white😮

[@Xabsolem]

Varys may have been a Targ as well. Is Oberin a Targayan as well?

[@Dudush90]

if she is a Targaryen, she would be bastard from Aegon IV but I dont think that. Also in the books, she has more power in castle black just because of the wall. I dont think she has more power in Winterfell. Only because Lord of Light needed it but she did nothing in battle of bastards in series...maybe in books she will do something who knows

[@op-4]

She'd be Melony Blackfyre not Targaryan

[@walkinglost]

She wouldn't be a Blackfyre. Bloodraven was very much not a Blackfyre (sent to the Wall for killing one in King's Landing) and neither was Shiera. She'd either be Melony Seastar or Melony Rivers.

[@ohheyemmi]

@@walkinglost Either way, the Blackfyres and the Targaryens are 2 sides of the same coin. Aegon IV, or "Aegon the Unworthy" had a bastard child with his cousin, Daena, called Daemon Waters. "Waters" is given to all bastards in the Crownlands, like Rivers or Sand or Snow. Aegon IV knighted him when he was legitimized and gave him a Valyrian steel sword called Blackfyre, the namesake for House Blackfyre. He created his own house when he rebelled against king Daeron II. Daemon Blackfyre and his 2 sons were killed in battle by Brynden Rivers, a man we all know as the Three Eyed Raven. Its very much a pedantic nitpicky thing, but she'd still have Targaryen blood/ancestry. Asshai is a place not many know about and is said to be where Dragons came from. Brynden Rivers, or Lord Bloodraven or the Three Eyed Raven, is another bastard child of Aegon the Unworthy. On his deathbed, Aegon legitimized ALL of his bastard children, including Bloodraven, which would make Bloodraven a Targaryen. Aegon's decision to legitimized all of his bastards is what led to the Blackfyre rebellion, during which Bloodraven chose to align with the Targaryens, not the Blackfyres. He served as Hand of the King under Aerys I (I think? Double check that part) when he learned that Daemon II Blackfyre was planning a second Blackfyre rebellion, a rebellion that was squashed before it even started when Bloodraven marched on his keep in force. Now 25 or so years after he was legitimized, his half brother, Bittersteel, tried to do a 3rd Blackfyre rebellion, and agin the Blackfyres were defeated. Aerys ordered Bittersteel sent to the wall, but he escaped somewhere en route to the wall. 15 years later, Maekar I died and his successor is highly disputed. Aenys Blackfyre, 5th son of Daemon Blackfyre, put his claim forward and was invited to Kings Landing to discuss his claim before the council. Brynden Rivers/Bloodraven had him arrested/executed in an attempt to finally end half a century of attempted Blackfyre rebllions. Aegon V Targaryen was chosen to succeed Maekar and, upon his ascension to the throne, had Bloodraven arrested and sent to the Wall for the murder of Aenys Blackfyre. Bloodraven's brother, Aemon Targaryen, takes the black to avoid having to be witness against his brother in a trial. Bloodraven is allowed to join him in the Nights Watch, escorted by an honor guard including Duncan the Tall. Aemon became the Maester Aemon we know. Bloodraven quickly rose to Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. He led an expedition north of the wall and never returned. In case anyone was curious.

[@Stukupgorgeous1]

Lot 7? Melody a targ?

[@damienhughes1996]

Maybe because she is close to the wall winterfell the Children of the forest and Danys Dragon's well 1 Dragon Drogon which is an easy name for a Dragon like naming a cat Kat

[@chillistar9439]

Everyone is Targeyrian!

[@Christinebord]

I aggre. Listening to these theories you could imagine everyone, or almost half of them are. And these is just stupid. When a figure is targeyrian, you can see it clearly ( " the blood must be pure"). Even Snow is not. He doesn't look like. He may be half targeyrian, but not a pure blood, not a dragon himself. The only person left to be of the old lineage is Danny. If she is still alive. The others are not, and cannot be consider as if they were.

[@ricky1231]

@@Christinebord But Jon could ride the dragons just like Daenerys Behave lol 😝

[@AquariusLoveeeee]

😂

[@Janebane9]

What if it was Daenys the Dreamer. 😮

[@libiusperseus]

Do all characters have to be Targaryens ?

[@jmeds94]

No, just the ones with a lot of literary evidence

[@enzo.calabrese]

Is this Theory or Fact ?

[@buklao8000]

NO ONE REALLY REMEMBERS WHAT SHE LOOKED LIKE WHEN SHE TOOK OFF HER NECKLACE????? OMG :D :D This cannot be true.. xD

[@patriciagustafson216]

Old

[@sherrireese994]

❤ why not😅

[@cathy5072]

Oh My!

[@monf2650]

But Mellisandra is over hundreds of years old...

[@jyanharris7957]

I knew she was kind to John Snow

[@danielkerber8667]

No, she bloody isn't. She is older then him. If time travel was possible sure.

[@Lorriemc114]

There were lots of Targaryen bastards. More than any of us realise.

[@henrysokei3625]

Wow you're good

[@neil2me9]

It is said that she was born into a poor family and that does not sound like Targaryens.

[@gregnagy7569]

Yep....Luke Skywalker is also a secret Targ.....

[@user-yl5rl7tg2j]

running out of ideas to make videos about...

[@bolawdean]

How many times can you say blood runs through veins in one video lol

[@Rose-oq2zc]

Second!!

[@SouthernOregonReps]

Of course the redhead version, she is the hottest women on GOT

[@Flyboyflame937]

How she his daughter and she older than him lol

[@Kmnaren]

When she remove choker her hairs colour alike Targaryen

[@mehello4913]

Everyone is a secret Targaryn! You, you, and YOU are all secret Targaryns!😂

[@arisucheddar3097]

But they are ALSO faceless men

[@mehello4913]

@@arisucheddar3097 😂

[@jmeds94]

Just wait until you find out about Mance Rayder

[@ohheyemmi]

Right? Every GoT theory nowadays amounts to "X is a secret Targaryen"

[@jmeds94]

@@ohheyemmi Yeah it’s called a recurring theme

[@will-i-amb.4213]

You mean WAS!!!

[@lisagiannos4657]

Melisandre a Targaryen?? Hmm!🤔As much I like to agree with this interesting new theory, I don’t think💭so. However with her deep redish eyes and some of her powers inherited she maybe related to Brendan Rivers The Blood/Red Eyed Raven and could be his lost daughter she with her mystical powers of a Green Seer and Red Priestess she could’ve inherited from her lost family.

[@bigdav47]

No.

[@ryanmassey586]

I can fix her.

[@emwarocsy1767]

stop lying

[@Nolan-fz3co]

How was it that she could bring Jon Snow back from the dead?

[@carastone3473]

A few who followed ‘the lord of light’ were able to bring people back.

[@title4445]

No