For me, France curb stomps every game that I'm not in the west. To be fair I am running my own mod so that might have something to do with it.
@rumpkusbumpkus9264 жыл бұрын
Definitely the Papal States, They’ve always been a pain in any of the campaigns I’ve played
@NotlostMcTwitchyrat4 жыл бұрын
I'm not counting the hordes cause that's cheating , but in human games Egypt does okay, but in my Venician campaigns Russia is often the richest faction.
@deutschgaming41094 жыл бұрын
Milan always stomps others. Suggestion: Do the same video for DAC 4.5 pls
@JeezyF4 жыл бұрын
I see Venice and Milan go back and forth quite a lot.
@sirpatrick5494 жыл бұрын
"You either die a knockoff of Spain, or live long enough to establish a colony in the British Isles" - Robertus Maximus
@fabianustertius64604 жыл бұрын
portugal reference
@marcusthehandsome86094 жыл бұрын
"His holiness the poop." Melkor 2020
@hammer37214 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the AI for these factions is mostly accurate from a historical point of view: England, France, Germany, Milan and Spain: Do great throughout, and emerge as European superpowers by the end of the game. Byzantium: Does poorly, because their star is not shining anymore. Turks and Egyptians: They have a bad start, grow powerful in middle game, and when the Mongols or Timurids strike, they either survive or perish. I mean, that is it, either they dominate the East Mediterannean or die to the new conquerors. Venice and Sicily: Usually do very good in early and mid game, might survive the Middle Ages, although is mostly a 50-50. The Moors: Have a very good early and Middle game, but late game when the Spanish get their proper gownpowder weapons, it is a swift decline for them, so they either emerge victorious in Spain early or perish. The Danes: Have a good early and Mid game, but late game they are starting to lose influence, as the other Western powers outcompete them. Like in real life, the end of the Middle Ages starts a decline for Denmark. Hungarians and Poles: Do good throughout, especially the Hungarians. It is clear that they will not be outcompeted until they reach the end of the Middle Ages. Russians: They do poorly throughout, because the Middle Ages were simply a dark ages of division and conflict for the Ivans. They might barely survive the Mongols, but then they are still mostly ruined... This historical era is simply not theirs. Portugal: ' They either die a knockoff of Spain or live long enough to establish colonies in the British Isles '. The Pope: Evidently does good throughout the whole of the Middle Ages, as their influence peaked in this period. Scotland: They either conquer England or get themselves conquered. Fairly true if we are talking in a historical context.
@prussianrocket27024 жыл бұрын
when the Timurids appear in the game so late that Melkor forgot to mention them :_(
@Anaris104 жыл бұрын
I HATE the Timurids, they give me much more trouble than the Mongols....
@fabianustertius64604 жыл бұрын
@@Anaris10 i got 8 armys on antioquia full or timurids, i brek him whit my cannon towers whit my spaniard campaing very easy, i dont know why they no use their elefants whit canons to break my walls
@peterongan96554 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many M2TW players that notice or even saw the Timurids.
@visitkotor96634 жыл бұрын
@@peterongan9655 Timurids show up so late they have no impact on game, unless you play to infinity.
@smorcknight95472 жыл бұрын
14:44 bruh
@erensametkaratas65934 жыл бұрын
Makes every single video of his with a fez puts the Turks in the bad tier
@Empowerless4 жыл бұрын
Heh. Turks definitely should be in the Fez tier :D
@erensametkaratas65934 жыл бұрын
@@Empowerless ikr
@animemusic41134 жыл бұрын
Milan is for me, the strongest and most pain ine ass faction of the game.They're annoying at the early, middle, late uurg I really hate them, mainly in the HRE and France campaigns
@earvindinoso76893 жыл бұрын
it also doesn't help that their crossbowmen are goddamned OP. im just glad that i can run them over with knights.
@mrgaudy19543 жыл бұрын
@@earvindinoso7689 Nothing worse than making a well balanced army then realising you’re about to face off against an entire stack of those annoying crossbowmen and would have been better off making a stack of mailed knights
@earvindinoso76893 жыл бұрын
@@mrgaudy1954 funny thing is, in my previous HRE campaign, Milan got Bern and they spammed knights AND crossbowmen.
@mrgaudy19543 жыл бұрын
@@earvindinoso7689 Well that is just rude of them. Funnily enough, my favourite victory in MTW2 was taking out a couple of full stacks of Milanese crossbowmen & mounted Feudal knights in one battle near Bern. Only won due to camping at the top of a very severe hill. Scotland having access to excellent pikes and archers that can defend flanks decently if needed really helped too. Also, border horse are one of the best units in the game when it comes to outmaneuvering other cavalry to harass archers.
@earvindinoso76893 жыл бұрын
update with my france campaign: ran their crossbows over with mailed knights and killed them off by taking their only 2 cities.
@weexu88124 жыл бұрын
Degradation of Poland and Hungary from great to good might be risky. They like each other so much, that they can kick your ass together to prove you wrong ;) Üdvözlet Lengyelországból
@AB-bg7os3 жыл бұрын
adom
@vargaalketa Жыл бұрын
buzi
@zaatas4 жыл бұрын
Agree mostly, I don't understand why you ranked Scotland so high when they lose more often than not to England, which is ranked lower on the same tier. And when I've seem them succeed its pretty much what England does when they take control of their home island. They invade into France but never much further. I'd push Poland and Spain into average as well. Aztecs are a meme faction. They don't expand and they don't build anything. They exist just to be cannon fodder for late era rosters.
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
Yes, they are trash.
@mikedeck83813 жыл бұрын
He's ranking their performance in AI only campaigns, without a human player. They actually do well in those but it seems like it takes till about turn 200 for them to start taking off. I've never seen them have more than a modicum of success as an AI faction in a single player campaign, maybe 9 or 10 territories and very late in the game, only 2 times I can think of. His AI campaigns sometimes go 500 or 700 turns and if they survive, they do well, better than the English. They are a consistent late game force in his AI only campaigns.
@zaatas3 жыл бұрын
@@mikedeck8381 Yeah that makes sense. I've played a ton of vanilla campaigns off and on since the game was released. Generally 100 turns in and the game is over, or over enough I lose interest. Although I've played quite a few turtle games as well- to use gunpowder and pike rosters. I rarely play games at 200+ turns. But of the long games ive played and the ones were I left england/france region last, its still like a 60/40 chance the english win. So even if scotland does good in the later scenario, they only make it their rarely. So I do see the logic of ranking them higher in this case, but to me its still funny because its a weighted coin toss if they even survive the home island war.
@chofa1353 жыл бұрын
Bizantines: they are a meme Video of 1000 turns timelapse 👁️👄👁️
@solinvictus21324 жыл бұрын
The Byzantines always dominate in my campaign wtf...
@General_Cheese64 жыл бұрын
When I played my first ever medieval 2 campaign it was the HRE because the HRE was where my ancestors came from, Germany. And I didn’t know that the mongols were in the game until I got the message about the mongols coming. And I was worried, because I had heard the stories from the past, how they were ruthless warriors who pillaged and raped as they went and that they were the largest empire ever, but I had never truly seen a mongol horde before, never seen them burn a man alive with a Hwacha. And at that point I held Egypt because of the crusade on Cairo, so my border was with the Ottomans, and then I saw the region color of Jerusalem change, and I’m like, oh no holy shit. And then they attacked me at Cairo. And they nearly destroyed Byzantium, which held and Constantinople, and they had killed the Turks. I held Rhodes and Iraklion because of an early game conquest of Venice. And when they attacked my castle at Rhodes I was shocked with the 3/4 stack they had mustered, and I only had about a 1/4 stack in Rhodes so I was utterly destroyed. So I mustered the men and retook Rhodes, and then I went on to Smyrna, and took it with ease. And then Mongol 1/4 and 1/2 stacks kept flowing in, so each turn was vital for retraining, and I held, but I couldn’t advance until I got the necessary troops to take Nicaea. Afterwards I turned towards Constantinople and took it, but it took me like 20 turns after the timurid invasion to defeat them. So to me they’re really good. And I remember toggling fow, and looking at like 20 mongol stacks and like 30 1/2 stacks across their empire. I thought they were unstoppable
@RandomPerson-zy5pr4 жыл бұрын
Let's make tier list but from player perspective
@hammer37214 жыл бұрын
When the Roman Empire becomes a meme faction.....
@MrPanos20003 жыл бұрын
Of course, since the AI is retarded. As a player controlled faction its OP as hell however
@christophep66504 жыл бұрын
Roman: Hey Seleucid! You and your faction are just a meme!!!! Seleucid: We'll talk again in a couple of centuries lol
@shadowwarriorshockwave32814 жыл бұрын
Scotland is clearly the best what do you mean you can speed run them losing
@satyakisil42894 жыл бұрын
"His Holiness, The *POOP* ".
@steinschwarz46744 жыл бұрын
maybe my game is weird, but i do see france doing well, like not great but quite a few times a have seen them taking caen and invading spain. ofcourse they have bad games but i woudn't put france in bad, i think they should be in avarage.
@KingMswatiIII4 жыл бұрын
A decade ago I remember having a campaign where the Byzantines actually did well.
@Kristaliorn4 жыл бұрын
We need a league table for all the times you've done the ai only games
@kamrankerim6364 жыл бұрын
France AI is ridiculous. France has the best units, but the AI is just terrible
@J4R0D4 жыл бұрын
They get divided between Milan and England while Spain and HRE snatch up their rebel cities.
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
Losing territory is good for them, as they can consolidate and start spamming stacks.
@JeezyF4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever/can you even play as the Timurids? Would be fun to mod a game where it’s AI only until the Timurids show up and then you just play as them.
@slavkoostojic25144 жыл бұрын
In my last 3 champagins Denmark didnt get one settlement in fact in the last game they died becouse of a revolt :D
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
They start slow, so slow you can even rush them as Hungary. 🤣 Often have a few losses taking that first castle.
@ivepesusic87924 жыл бұрын
Why are moors lower than spain? They often conquer africa,spain and portugal. Sometimes spain is gonna do the same but it will not expand as much into africa so....moors are better i guess
Hey, at least we are ahead of Byzantium! But yeah the AI is kinda bad
@radeczech152 жыл бұрын
I gave over a milion florins to scotland and byzantium to keep them alive but they just not progressing on any difficulty
@alexirineo47714 жыл бұрын
Medieval 2 random a.i only campaign??
@MelkorGG4 жыл бұрын
It's on my list. : )
@tonydaniels64113 жыл бұрын
I have never in my entire life seen Scotland capture one settlement. They just make a full stack of pike militia and walk around their capital.
@MelerionTheFirst3 жыл бұрын
Personnaly, i always play France, and if you survive, you ez everibody
@gangweed41504 жыл бұрын
In my campaigns Milan always seems to dominate in europe. Deffinetly my worst enemys.
@fabianustertius64604 жыл бұрын
every IA gets shotdown in a balista tower shoting if they dont get artillery
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
Real pricks. Snake is even on their flag.
@bopar31903 жыл бұрын
My top 5 before watching was Pope, Milan, England, Denmark, and Hungary so pretty close. I disagree with Poland over Hungary, while Poland certainly should never be taken lightly, I have never seen them dominate like Hungary does occasionally. Taking large swathes of Eastern Europe, Greece, going into Asia Minor and pushing the Mongols. For that I go Hungary over Poland. Also Scotland isn’t in my top 5. For me they take the British isles approximately 1 in 4, and never take large portions of Europe, stopping after Belgium and maybe the castle in Norway. If England takes the UK and holds a piece of mainland they can really dominate Western Europe
@nodubstephere10084 жыл бұрын
I don't think Scotland's AI is that good. Every time I had played against them (For me), they always have there navy swim up and down the firth of forth and there generals are often static. I generally think at times the Scots AI gets very confused with the limitations of the land they are stuck with (by turn 100 they might not even have Inverness).
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
Seen it today. They are stuck staring at York as it changes hands.
@davidcotronese62694 жыл бұрын
I'll take this advice for my next campaign, but maybe history needs to change and let Australia into this game just like we're in Eurovision, put us in Fez tier (I'm Aussie BTW) 😅
@leonardodantas45774 жыл бұрын
Kyle rittenhouse did nothing wrong
@Anaris104 жыл бұрын
Damn straight!. #FREEKYLE
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
Fez tier.
@zanebutler87174 жыл бұрын
Ive had the moors lay siege on rome when k was playing as Sicily
@grantrobinson50464 жыл бұрын
The HRE should be higher imo but I agreed with most of the rewt
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if hre gets secure they can spam stack after stack. Woe to ye if you are their only enemy.
@grantrobinson50464 жыл бұрын
Custos indeed my good man
@arcomegis9999 Жыл бұрын
I did an experiment on my England Medium campaign. The 2 turns for initial diplomacy with both Scotland and France vary based on map information. If I offer my map info: 1. Scotland will take Dublin 2. France will take Bordeaux This is significant because if I don’t, Scotland will forever stay in Edinburgh and France will lose Bordeaux to Spain. This means Map Info drastically changes AI early game behavior and movement too, not just late game and bargaining.
@ChampionXD014 жыл бұрын
I’ve always found the Holy Roman Empire to be very powerful till late mid game where they stop expanding and usually stop producing troops and just crumble
@walmartian422 Жыл бұрын
The french AI to be fair is surrounded on all sides by 4 pretty strong empires IE Milan, HRE, Spain, and England. HRE is also landlocked but in my campaigns the Hungarians never attack me and always act as a useful buffer zone on my eastern flank I’ve also had successful alliances with Denmark, The poles eventually try to make a move on me but by the time they do they are usually already in a war with Russia and aren’t really a serious threat.
@allenrivera97443 жыл бұрын
So the scots are the 2nd best ai?
@Puertoman91 Жыл бұрын
In an England campaign back in 2017 or so, it was me and the Byzantines vying for world domination. Somehow they were aggressive as shit and made it to southern Italy before I pushed them back at Naples.
@tntfreddan3138 Жыл бұрын
The Mongols: Puts a fully stacked army on a single ship. Gets sunk and they do it 2 more times and now they are crippled and the other AI factions can take care of that problem so I can focus on smashing the absolute living crap out of HRE.
@NießbraucherNick4 жыл бұрын
The algorithm put christ democratic party advertising in front of your vid. Never before did the algorithm fail so badly
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
Been having some very new campaigns with surprises. Strong Portugal, Poland rushing the east, Venice not stabbing me in the back.
@Beencheeling2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i'm new to the this game (not the whole TW franchise just medieval 2) and i was playing HRE when all of a souden Denmark took over hamburg killing my faction leader but i had all my best armies and generals in Italy killing Veince with was the most powerfull faction out there. So Denmark had time to conquer anoter castles with they did so i'm mobilised a good army of trader knights, sergent spearmen, balistas, mailed knights, frankish knights and a lot of mercenary spearmen as they were the best unit i coud have at that time and i got there, took back hamburg, made anoter army, and took over Denmark in Europe now i just have to get ships and take them over before they make a huge army again, in fact they made 2 huge armies so i had big casualties
@ranggafachrozi93283 жыл бұрын
Byzantium sucks in the hands of an AI, because their units sucks compared to the other faction(on paper) and bad unit stat = bad autoresolve result
@rumpkusbumpkus9264 жыл бұрын
17 seconds ago... damn last time I was this early was at birth😂
@NotlostMcTwitchyrat4 жыл бұрын
You give the first like?
@MelkorGG4 жыл бұрын
Nah... That was me
@rumpkusbumpkus9264 жыл бұрын
John Turner Second like😔
@albanerulin83084 жыл бұрын
U forgot timurids
@riperroxd76644 жыл бұрын
Hey where are the timurids? They supposed to be good or great!
@MelkorGG4 жыл бұрын
Although they did not show up below, I did mention and place them somewhere in the video.
@riperroxd76644 жыл бұрын
@@MelkorGG indeed, ironicali right now a few turns I was playing as Spain and I was doing great, I was holding Gaza Jerusalem and Acre until they showed up, I was not holding them any more😂 it was just way to many of them! But still I'm happy to see the AI delivering challenges even if some times acts like he is new to the game himself.
@goastlyarrowplays4 жыл бұрын
For some reason my first campaign Portugal took over all of Iberia, France, England, and parts of the HRE. Never saw them do it again, but still it left an impression.
@willlastnameguy8329 Жыл бұрын
I think the reason A.I. Byzantines suck is that Byzantines only have one good early game unit. Vardarioti. The key to succuss in the early game is to spam them as much as possible, and destroy enemies in the open field. The A I simply doesn't utilize them. They spam their trash infantry, and Slythikon, and just lose early.
@Uragan00829 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say Vardariotai are their only good unit in the early game, Byzantine Cavalry and Trebizond Archers are also pretty good. But yeah, AI doesn't take advantage of their amazing horse archers and mostly recruit shitty militia spears
@Sir.suspicious4 жыл бұрын
But what about the player controlled factions? Which ones do you think are the ones with the most potential?
@Edward-qj8ez3 жыл бұрын
The aztecs do their job well, haha! Maybe sunset invasion mod is needed.
@complexemotions3384 жыл бұрын
You left out timmy. I'm mad.
@Matiss24284 жыл бұрын
Timurids?
@MelkorGG4 жыл бұрын
I mentioned them in the video : )
@Matiss24284 жыл бұрын
Yes, I watched the video till the end. Don't you think Timurids should be closer to fez tier?
@ayatcha79284 жыл бұрын
Venice 1°!
@knightofthegoldenflower604 жыл бұрын
Is it strange that absolutely hate poland(in the game) and have never actualy played as them, because I played as the Russians and Poland backstabbed me and I fought them for ever
@stalhandske96494 жыл бұрын
_Is_ _it_ _strange_ _that_ _absolutely_ _hate_ _poland_ It's not. Apart from their warped diplomacy attitude (more or less problem with all the factions in Med 2 TBH), Poland recruits their "Polish Nobles" javelin cav heavily, a fact that makes one moan in frustration whenever one can't confidently autoresolve a battle against them. Don't get me wrong, they are relatively easy to beat in battles due to their often-weak infantry. It's just that the battles against them usually become very tedious, which makes a war against them a major grindfest. My recent HRE campaigns early-to-middle phase was a pain in the ass greatly because of them, only enhanced by HRE ealy roster lacking in counter units against missile cav. At least Russia comes better off in that regard. tl,dr: "Polish Nobles" unit makes the Polish a most irritating an opponent in battles.
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
Play Poland, they start with the best King, and early game mounted crossbowmen.
@knightofthegoldenflower604 жыл бұрын
@@The_Custos I was actually thinking play them soon
@simonredion4417 Жыл бұрын
portuguese invasion of wales intensifying
@umbravox17853 жыл бұрын
What happened the the three red dots of death?
@cptrichardhead2844 жыл бұрын
Can’t disagree with this list. The winner of England and Scotland usually becomes the power of Western Europe. I would rank both the Turks and Sicily a few places higher. Sicily usually find a way to endure. I find the Turks will do well and at least survive unless they get hit with both barrels from the hordes.
@Vanderyn4 жыл бұрын
From my experience, the AI is most competent when it starts with fewer provinces and has rebel settlements to expand, like with Denmark and Scotland. But it can't handle large starting land and freezes as HRE, France or Byzantium.
@Randomstuffs2614 жыл бұрын
"Fance" is a good name for them
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
Poland is good for that.
@alessandrobenvenuti65512 жыл бұрын
Byzantium really is strange in this game… They have a very little variation of troops, but they are pretty flexible. The fact that you have access to horse archers at the start of the game gives you an advantage against western factions, particularly against italian factions and their militias. The only thing that you have to mind are pavese crossbows and heavy plate armour, impervious to arrows. Cataphraktoi are not that bad though, but you can’t over rely on them like Teutonics or Tzar’s Guard. The heavy infantry still smashes asses in the late game, but they don’t have armor piercing effect. You have to use your cards well, because you don’t have gunpowder and this really is crippling. I usually build very large empires with Eastern Rome, better than Scotland and Sicily
@Brugar18 Жыл бұрын
I would put portugak in the average tier. In most of my playthroughs they tend to take over western french settlements and some part of british isles like dublin and caermavron sometimes they manage to take some of iberian peninsula
@Lolavs4 жыл бұрын
Have you done a list like this for Rome?
@MelkorGG4 жыл бұрын
Yep. Quite recently. It's on the channel somewhere : )
@Lolavs4 жыл бұрын
@@MelkorGG Very cool, comrade.
@cornellguy6644 жыл бұрын
The English have never done well in games I've played (unless I'm playing them). I've never done timelapses like you though. I also know this is Vanilla, but in mods where the original factions are there, but on different maps, etc the Aztecs are ridiculously OP and just take everything over.
@charliesierra6919 Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your M2TW perspectives mate! Love this game and have been playing for many years. Thank you!
@franciscoregadas27744 жыл бұрын
Portugal a meme tear....😡
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
They have been kicking arse in my latest campaign as I watch from afar.
@fabianustertius64604 жыл бұрын
Im on turn 180, a bit close to get the new world whit spain, and i got 40 of 45 provinces to win, i got jerusalen too, timurids give me alot of truble on middle east, same whit mongols, but balista towers, and cannon towers do all the job, the ia of mongols and timurids is dont very smart on siege battles whitout siege artilery
@ollyclass4 жыл бұрын
Damn the older games I feel are so much better than the new ones. I only got medieval 2 a couple of years ago so there's no nostalgia goggles but I personally feel like it's so much better than troy total war. I feel the UI is so easy to view and interact with than Troy. It makes so much more sense oh I click on city build buildings train troops. Troy you have to click on the army which melts into the background then click one of the tiny buttons at the bottom.
@The_Custos4 жыл бұрын
It's a masterpiece.
@sauronmordor74944 жыл бұрын
hype
@NotlostMcTwitchyrat4 жыл бұрын
Wow last time I was so early that i could give the 2nd like the Byzantine empire held all of its territory.
@marxistmystic3 жыл бұрын
milan does well
@superhond17334 жыл бұрын
Hello
@Rubensitoc4 жыл бұрын
the RTW music in the background is the best thing in this video ;-)
@sidetracker34963 жыл бұрын
Wait why are Skaven included here in Med2?
@LOVEPHOENIXDANCER4 жыл бұрын
the "god" faction in "god: tear seems legit. also don't mess with Scotland!
@blake51574 жыл бұрын
Melkor what is your outro I very intrigued
@MelkorGG4 жыл бұрын
It's a clip from the Rome tw soundtrack: contemplation.
@lucashampton62694 жыл бұрын
Glad to see my Scottish-Viking heritages coming in strong!
@Raymond_and_Company4 жыл бұрын
😏
@JamesThomas-pj2lx4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the time lapse divide and conquer vids, more please.