Tier List: Ranking Factions by their Gunpowder Unit Roster | Medieval II Total War

My rankings of Medieval II Factions based on their gunpowder units.
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[@aleaiactaest6503]

Poor Spain, always forgotten!

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

The irony as a Spanish resident is palpable 😅

[@wwm84]

I thought they were going to be in S tier when he got there, but nope, Rebels with the hat trick.

[@DzinkyDzink]

What do you mean? They are right there right behind the Timurids!

[@volvoxpl]

@@DzinkyDzink I'm guessing it some kind of joke, but this is Portugal, not Spain

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Ironically, I both live in Spain and used their units on the thumbnail picture... Yet I forget them! 😂 As they have the same units as Portugal, they are of course just behind Portugal on this list for two reasons: 1. Bias, 2. Portuguese arquebusiers are vastly superior to the standard ones. Ps. Maybe I'll just leave out a faction each time I do a tier list to see if anyone notices! 😜

[@aleaiactaest6503]

Similar energy to Melkor forgetting Dacia in all of his old videos lol

[@wwm84]

How the hell did France, of all factions, manage to not get musketeers? What even was Dumas writing about?

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

It is counter intuitive for sure!

[@maxmagnus777]

@@ToNerdistoHumanTNH nah, it is just wrong

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

To be fair the Three Musketeers were in the 17th century, outside of the scope of the game. France may not have relied as much on arquebusiers as some other countries in the late Middle Ages, it was more about siege cannons to blast some annoying italian walls. Or maybe it's just balance as France has an already stacked roster.

[@vojemete]

@@Duke_of_Lorraine To be truthful, also the reiters were not around until then... Or using of field artillery against troops.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

@@vojemete it wasn't unheard of, at Formigny in 1450 the French used 2 cannons to outrange the English longbows. Forcing them to advance, where cavalry could cut them down. But indeed artillery only had a limited use as wasn't very mobile, horse-drawn artillery would wait until the 30YW. Fittingly, artillery in M2 has awful mobility. Reiters are 16th century so yes borderline for M2TW. While Louis XIII reigned 1610-1643, early 17th century.

[@TheAleatoriorandom]

Fun video! Poor Spain got left out of the tier list. To be fair it has the same gunpowder roster as Portugal, except Portugal get the portuguese arquebusiers wich are better than the generic arquebusiers other factions like Spain get, they are kinda just better handgunners since they have the same melee stats (with less armor but more defense skill) and a more modern gun.

[@Trexmaster12]

If Spain gets the generic arquebusiers, then that clearly puts them below Portugal. Marginal loss.

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Yes at the very least, Spain's position is obviously one marginal loss behind Portugal. The Portuguese arquebusiers are actually viable arquebusiers as they need melee with their short range.

[@Eintracht-uy3cz]

As a veteran of online MP, this list was surprising for me for several reasons: - I didn't expect the rebels and therefore thought only Spain and the HRE would end up in S tier. This is funny because apart from early period Spain, both of them are meta defining factions in whatever set of rules and eras you play. In your standard 6/2 cav no art ele guns 15k all periods battles, Spain and the HRE are the single best factions in the game. Imo, Spain coming 2nd and the HRE 1st (Deutschritter + Reichsritter > mounted and dismounted Conquistadores. Cav is king and the HRE has the best cav in the game by far). - Muskets are not S tier by default. They are so OP that every game which allows muskets usually leads to a musket shootout. Their range is so superior that no cav can really touch them and if you lack them yourself, your army is dead before you even touch the opponent. - ...Spain is missing lol

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Haha. Well I got HRE as top so that much checks out. Spain are only behind Timurids and Portugal (and rebels) by this list's 'logic' so I'm not a world away. I never played the online MP so it is interesting to hear your points; which make total sense.

[@greatnoblelord]

Are we playing different games? In my vanilla cavalry smashes any infantry. Or are you playing Musketeers on an easy level?

[@Trexmaster12]

The "S" în Spain is silent.

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

That's my new story and I'm sticking to it! 😜

[@GOGPlays]

Camel Gunners beat all other gunpowder units with mobility and range. They are 19th century breechloading soldiers on camels. They don't need formation attack, they have musketeers range and they are fast.

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

They are truly bonkers :D

[@abasis.baruti9819]

And for this reason, i only ever choose the Moors.

[@ArariaKAgelessTraveller]

It's the only Unit I can entrust in fighting elephants at range But they are hilariously bad vs Horse archer because of low/No armor

[@ardypangihutan3653]

Legend has it that Denmark's serpentine can pierce M1A2 Abrams' armor, or even Skynet's terminator.

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

I wouldn't argue with that! 🤣

[@anvos658]

The Inquisition has noticed your lack of faith in ignoring the glory of the Reconquista and Spain.

[@minnie988]

Great video. More of these, please!

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Shall do!

[@FieldCommandNapoleonOfficial]

great video mate

[@aleaiactaest6503]

Is that a confederation of the rhine flag I see?

[@FieldCommandNapoleonOfficial]

@@aleaiactaest6503 berhaps *peter griffin*

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Cheers for the support!

[@robertomartins1329]

Portugal is S tier. They have the best gunpowder infantry. Period.

[@Nuncey]

I love Venice’s gunpowder & late period armies. Cmon their late period Navy and Army is at least top 5 if not top 3. Like my love for this faction is unmatched as Spain, Portugal, The Holy Roman Empire, Milan, France, the Seljuk/Ottoman Turks, England and Denmark also share a special place in my heart as well. Something about Venice’s army and Navy on M2TW alway wow me. My late armies of the Venetian Republic always consist of Pike militia, Venetian Heavy Infantry, Pavise Crossbowmen, Venetian Archers (I just love composite bows ❤), Stradiots!! Broken Lances( Love that late period Advanced Italian grade plate Armor!! And my most beloved Mounted Crossbowmen. My Arty pounding enemy lines and city walls with Culverins, Mortars and Monster Rebault guns. Yeah Venice that beast nobody wants a piece of and of course my Naval Fleet is Carraks and Galleasses with my War Galleys employed for guarding trade routes and trade focal points in the Mediterranean Sea 🌊!!!!

[@theyedmeister6981]

Always nice to see from you, bud. By any chance, did you see ver figure out how to disable army limits in battles? Many A True Nerd did so during his barbarian invasion campaign, and I'd love to see similar

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

I'm away from my computer for a while so can't check properly but I'm sure I've casually dropped into previous videos like the basic file editing for Rome. I think it's in the preference file and a simple yes, no checkbox. Maybe it needs its own video. 🤔

[@kevin06289]

6:27 in medieval 2 basic modding video. it's a line called unlimited_men_on_battlefield, change from 0 (no) to 1 (yes)

[@kevin06289]

it was interesting fighting multiple silver experience mongol armies emerging from multiple directions on the battle map

[@kevin06289]

rome remastered has that on by default I believe, reinforcing armies all join in without me changing anything in the files

[@theyedmeister6981]

@@ToNerdistoHumanTNH Thank you, I tried fighting a Greek campaign, where I don't fight very quickly, and ended up taking on ten onslaughts of Egyptians a turn for about 2/3 years. In short, I wanted to make it even worse, lol

[@youseffsalib4459]

Great to see you include all the factions like the rebels, normans and saxons! ;)

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Yup. All the factions!

[@gogorin1030]

Як можна слідкувати за польотом снаряду артилерії так як це показано на відео ?

[@beastman83532]

5:59 you truly have mastered the nuances of English language. Kindly, a non-native English speaker totally qualified to say so.

[@jeice13]

The best thing about gun cavalry is they are allowed to shoot through their unit. I know its not realistic but its the primary reason gun infantry can be worse than other ranged units

[@EccentricNarwhale]

They don't shoot through, they shoot over. If you place an elephant in front, they will get hit. You need to keep the camel riders right behind the infantry on a slope so as to not hit your own. No calvary on slope in front.

[@jeice13]

@@EccentricNarwhale they might disable it when you have an opposit slope but you might just be getting blocked by the hill. I did some testing on this and it is why guns specifically benefit from horses. Foot guns are the only ranged unit that cant shoot through (or over) their own unit

[@EccentricNarwhale]

@jeice13 no, there is a zone where your units get hit by the gunfire from the camels. Feel free to run a spacing test in front of the camels against a non ranged unit. It's not a lot of damage/hits but it's there. The gun can't arch over like the arrow projectiles. The spawn point of the bullet is just located high on the camel allowing you to shoot over them, they still can't arch.

[@EccentricNarwhale]

@jeice13 disregard me. I get what you are saying. The camel is elevated to short over but bullets can pass through the unit in front to hit the enemy on mounted gunners. That is interesting, I did not know that.

[@jeice13]

@@EccentricNarwhale when i tried it out before it worked on flat ground even against infantry which are shorter than them. I dont think most ranged can actually damage there own unit with shooting they simply choose not to fire when blocked

[@teodorrydberg254]

Portugals also got the Best likes so most visible like And shot, the Portuguese arqubusers seams good But their lackluster range make them disappointing

[@armandicus7261]

I completely forgot the byzantined dont have a gun unit in base med2

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

It's a sad showing!

[@user-zu7bs3vg6w]

gunpowder infantry always underpreforms in med2 and its mods so while playing vanilla kingdoms mod i edited them to shoot two bullet instead of one and it actually works perfectly. on flat terrain they kill every unit they see but on uneven ground they suck and archers still preforms better against unarmored units.

[@matthewbridger2991]

But if you include the dragoons from the America's Spain is by far the best. Maybe Ireland and the natives deserve honorable mentions as well

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Oh absolutely! But including DLC's was going to complicate this too much so base game it remained. They are all discussed in the gunpowder guide video though!

[@noraandersson7822]

More tier lists please!

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Certainly!

[@sithyuu7696]

Great video, you always make great total war content

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Cheers! :)

[@tiagoferreira1946]

Portugal have the portuguese arquebusiers too should't change much the tier list tho

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Indeed, that detail got lost in Spain's absence.😅 They're decent units but that detail only pushes them marginally ahead of Spain.

[@dman1988]

The only one thing that drives me crazy. France doesn't have musketeers... France...

[@manschier0816]

How to let Byzantine Empire have Archoutoupoulai this heavy cavalry ? Mine m2tw was only Definitive Edition Mod with Kingdom Expansion Package

[@hernanreipp3321]

We must to admit that the elephants with gunpowder are seriuosly OP, but what surprise me is see the Holy Roman Empire as top one. The description said they lack late professional units, even when they have some very good late-medieval to early-renaissance units like the Reiters that I love in late game (just below the camels gunners). But in words from an Emperor of a Holy Roman Empire that we never had in real life, "Three things make the Empire great: Faith, Steel and Gunpowder." - Emperor Magnus the Pious

[@hector_the_well_endowed]

With zweihanders and reiters they have a few excellent late era specialised units, but they lack professional troops. This unit type refers to cost-effective non-elite units that can punch above their weight when supported properly, such as voulgiers or pikemen. They only have armoured sergeants and militias and are heavily reliant on mercenaries such as landsknechts for their late era battleline.

[@Thought_Criminal]

No spain?

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Missing one out may have to become a feature...😅 They're just behind Portugal. Same roster but weaker arquebusiers.

[@triskeliosthelastcelt1303]

Forgot the Real Number 1. Ireland

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

They do have mounted calivermen. That would get them high up the list. We'll touch on DLCs another day! 😜

[@mikael9979]

What about Spain?

[@Trexmaster12]

Just below Portugal.

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Just bellow Portugal and amusingly missed by my brain and many edits.

[@We3dCraftLP]

Am i imaginating Things or is spain missing?

[@EccentricNarwhale]

I was with you until the end. Timurids are way better than HRE for gunpowder. Also the Portguese version of the arquibusier is unreal on wall defense, more powerful gun with armor and melee strength. In my opinion: The camel riders up the moors to A. France and Hungary should be B. You love them cannons more than me. I love the mounted guns and musketeers. You can create the meanest open battlefield pincer of destruction with them. Thats why they dont let you have the musketeers with mounted guns. The turks and russian archers with musketeers though....

[@aaronharkins4331]

Yo I can’t believe you put the moors and the Timurids so low. I’m going to have to check out the Turks.

[@raynightshade8317]

Where do the kingdoms factions go

[@Thought_Criminal]

Aztecs F tier?????? Incorrect opinion. Best gunpowder.

[@FieldCommandNapoleonOfficial]

facts

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Unarguable facts... I now see the error of my ways 😅

[@antoniohbianchinspecian8420]

We’re is Spain In dis tier list

[@TheCleanerDragon]

No Spain?

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

A bug or a feature? 🤔 Spain are just behind Portugal. Same roster but weaker arquebusiers.

[@thenut55555]

0:02 how can you zoom like this ?

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Press 'del' (delete) on your keyboard when the unit is selected.

[@thenut55555]

thank I appreciate it.

[@raynightshade8317]

Hungary should have good gunpower dues to the Black Army

[@maxmagnus777]

France - no muskets. B

[@TwoKnowingRavens]

USA is top of gunpowder tier, in USA category ehich is above S. 🦅🇺🇸

[@MBP1918]

Janissary Muskets are busted

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Brutal units!

[@emilyjane3452]

❤

[@ToNerdistoHumanTNH]

Cheers!

[@_Arjun_Patil_]

Elephant faction name ?

[@MarcosAlvarez-w2d]

i think you uh, forgot spain

[@ISMAILRAMSES]

Священное Римская Империя и Мавры пошли получать место в тире лучших пороховых юнитов, но на канале гамбургера все перепутали... Camel Gunners best in the bests, kakoi nahooy Holy Roman S tier, Moors number uno.

[@WellWisdom.]

Spain is in pain.

[@martinez4205]

Y España?

[@darthgamer7047]

Take dislike for the disrespect to my country

[@ivanvoloder8114]

Turks and Russia should be S tier. HRE Retiers are overrated. Short range and slow reload speed is what sets them down.

[@hermit44]

Was kinda expeting the Spanish inquisition. Disappointed... :(

[@_Arjun_Patil_]

Elephant faction name ?

[@_Arjun_Patil_]

Elephant faction name ?

[@_Arjun_Patil_]

Elephant faction name ?