Melodyne • Tightening up vocal doubles

In the video, Rich does a deeper dive into tightening up the timing of vocal doubles and harmonies. First he illustrates how to set up the grid and note separations to make timing adjustments easier. Pro tips on what things to look for in the notes, the Attack Line, as well as how to use the ‘Spread Unison’ function follow that. Rich goes on to illustrate techniques for lining up the beginning and ending of notes as a starting point. He then demonstrates the power of the Time Handle tool, and uses it to make the vocal tracks more closely match each other. Rich then shows how the Pitch Modulation tool can be used to fine tune the swing of the pitch lines, and how the Sibilant tool and Fade tool can help integrate the main vocal with the doubled track. Finally Rich gives some tips for getting similar results and workflow if using Melodyne essential, assistant, or an earlier version.
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[@notoppin5746]

Honestly. The amount of information you give is the key to sucess. Along with your mentality of course. Your channel is a blessing thank you

[@celemony]

Very kind of you. Thanks for watching!

[@starlightsign8666]

Great lesson…many thanks! I was becoming a little depressed in a large session I have been labouring over for way too long. Understanding Multiple selection, time handles and best workflow from this lesson has lifted the gloom massively. Huge fan! I actually was in at the very beginning when it came in that very Fine wooden box..x Track selection snap shots would be good, if for example one has 50 tracks where additional vocal layers have been added over time, to multiple select & edit tracks 2,3,6,7,39,40 for example, requires a lot of unselecting. Of course this becomes cumbersome if alternative selections come into play as the edit falls into good order. Even a few snap shots/recalls would really focus the editing session, orientation wise, as it progresses.

[@andylandAMband]

Thank you the time handle is awesome

[@cassandramondnacht7225]

The workaround was exactly what i was looking for! Thank you. I really needed this 🫠

[@romeomelan]

YOU HAVE TO ADD "CC" "SUBTITLES" TO VIDEO, WE ARE IN 2022, EVERYBODY WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS AROUND THE WORLD AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND YOU !

[@herrunsinn774]

I agree. While Rich generally speaks very clearly, there are times when I can't quite understand a few words... and his mustache/beard combo keeps me from "reading his lips". A working CC track would make so much life easier. Case in point, at 03:55 when he describes the "Spread Unison" button, I just couldn't tell what he was saying. I had to replay those few seconds 5 or 6 times to hear "spread unison". A working CC would have simplified that greatly.

[@TikiHorea]

Email Celemony and ask them to provide close-captions for their yt videos :D

[@isaaccardenas3318]

We are 2022, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW ENGLISH. 🙌

[@herrunsinn774]

Oh thanks for this video sooo much Rich! I have been trying for months to perfect double-tracking of my nylon-string chord-melody lines. (Yes... my guitar does my "singing" for me.)... I especially could never quite figure out how I could edit the two tracks at the same time to tighten them up. The biggest help was your showing how to use the "Spread Unison" button (03:55). What a game changer that is going to be for me. Your discussions of enabling "Show note separations" (02:07), using the timing tool and the time-handle tool make much more sense in the "spread unison" view. Of course, until I can really practice what I (hope to be) learning here, I won't go so far as to say "I have it!". I seem to notice a pattern emerging when I watch Melodyne how-two videos and think I am understanding... Then when I try to actually put that knowledge into practice, I feel like I have been forced to eat LSD, stripped naked, then thrown into Times Square in NYC on New Years Eve. That is, I am rarely as "oriented" as I think I'm going to be. 😅🤣😂 But having said that, I am "cautiously optimistic" that I might be able to move ahead with my "double track" editing. Thanks for the thoughtfulness you put into your videos, Rich!

[@DrDeese]

I love Melodyne! I’m really happy Jolly Old St Nick made this video!

[@EgeCoskun]

A suggestion; Color code will help a lot.

[@jethroburns]

Excellent. Thanks a lot. Really digs in deep. I have been struggling with aligning a harmony vocal to the main vocal and used "track" in quantize, which worked out quite well. If you ever have the time to do a video on aligning guitar and bass to drums, for example, that would be fabulous.

[@boyreporter]

Exactly what I needed; thanks a ton

[@vewilli]

Rich of course is a real Melodyne expert, but in this case I‘d rather wait till I’ve got the Studio version. So far I‘ve „only“ got the Editor version, that means I‘ll have to wait for a good upgrade offer from editor to studio. Then it‘ll make sense to go through this tutorial. But Rich‘s tutorials have helped me a lot so far.

[@jethroburns]

In fact your timing tool tip as I was, very clumsily, using the hard separation tool to move some of the blobs

[@astoryk]

Great, but sometimes I can move anything with the tempo tal, need to switch to the standard cursor and it's a little pain in the a** cause i lose the red guides. Do you know why it happens?

[@celemony]

Not exactly sure what you mean. Please feel free to contact our support team here with a few more details: www.celemony.com/support - Thank you!

[@rafalvarezsevilla]

in reaper, normal editing is much faster than this melodyne workflow =D since celemony is actually very good with makros, you really should make a makro for timealigning different takes, would be amazing for editing double tracked guitars etc, and you would steal a lot of customers from Vocalign, DO IT! i mean, most of the programming is already there! just imagine, if i could tune, deess, level, pitch and time correct my main vocal take in melodyne, and then just select all backing tracks, press a button and every other track would be deessed, level matched, pitch and time corrected in the same way. DO IT! i know you can

[@celemony]

Thanks for your comment, Rafael!

[@IAMCORNHOLIOINEEDTP]

Would be awesome!

[@Protonaut]

How so? Are you talking about the dynamic split feature with the time stretch markers?

[@dwcleary8694]

In "spread unison mode" how do you control which track is displayed as higher? (I'm on Melodyne Studio 5, standalone). You don't explain that here, and there's nothing in the manual explaining that.

[@celemony]

Hello, please contact our support team about this. See here: www.celemony.com/support

[@chizzulwinduh1941]

or you could just buy Vocalign or Revoice Pro and do all that in the press of a button.

[@jips123]

I have Melodyne Studio, Vocalign and Revoice and I agree. This looks like a lot of work....... I prefer Melodyne to tune vocal though.

[@chillingFriend]

@@jips123 same for me! Melodyne is definitely inferior for this

[@adralicus]

@@jips123 It's quite arduous using Melodyne Studio to time align stacked vocals. Especially if you're in a hurry. My current method is to use Melodyne to align and tune the top vocal where needed . I then freeze that object/clip and switch to Revoice 4 and use the Melodyne edited vocal as the template for the rest of the backing vocals using the preset "Slightly loose timing & pitch" Revoice will then transfer the timing and tuning of the Melodyne edited track to the rest of the stacked vocals. It generally does a good job and is much faster. Hopefully Melodyne will introduce a similar workflow in a future version.

[@johnnygarcia6359]

@@adralicus I do the same thing!!

[@alaafahmyofficial]

@@adralicus awesome Workflow

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

What if there's a live recording of a vocal double which we need to separate from the other.... which algorithm should we use?

[@celemony]

You mean if you have a full mix stereo track only? If the vocal double is very close to the lead vocals, it will be hard or even impossible to separate it from the lead. Also, that’s not what Melodyne was designed for.

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

@@celemony That's fair. And I appreciate it. I suppose that with all of the stem separation tools available, I was hoping that Melodyne would be able to handle a task such as this to have greater impact than those tools for such a job.

[@Khsamir85]

إنه الاحترافي المتقن احب ذلك 😀

[@JosephineDeSmet]

how do you go about editing pitch for doubles, in melodyne studio I tried matching the double to the lead and I did, but now if I listen to the double solo'd, it sounds like a computer, it's really weird... I tried singing them as closely as possible, I didn't feel like I did too much tuning, I wanted to keep it natural also my vibrato on one track can kinda go the opposite direction of the vibrato on the other track and it can make things sound off

[@celemony]

You might have overdone it with Melodyne. On the other hand, noone will ever hear your vocal doubles in isolation, so if it sounds great in context, there’s nothing to worry about. 🙂

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

But Rich... What if we need to clean a "single-track" with a vocalist/guitar player in a live venue, who has an audience member whose vocals we need to remove because they are singing along & scream in a small segment? How do we handle that?

[@TikiHorea]

Try iZotope RX

[@rogertausz]

how does one get multiple tracks into melodyne?

[@celemony]

Hey Roger, we have a dedicated multi-track edition of Melodyne, i.e. Melodyne studio. With the smaller Melodyne editions, you can instantiate the plug-in on multiple tracks in your DAW, but of course Melodyne studio is the only edition that shows you all the tracks in one single window. Hope this helps.

[@chasingcolours6789]

Are Studio One users also able to open two melodyne windows?

[@celemony]

Please feel free to contact our Tech Support, they will be happy to help. See here: www.celemony.com/support

[@IAMCORNHOLIOINEEDTP]

Would be awesome to have some kind of auto alignment in Melodyne!

[@celemony]

In Melodyne studio, you can quantize tracks to a reference track.

[@IAMCORNHOLIOINEEDTP]

@@celemony Sounds interesting, and would be worth the upgrade if it works. Is there any Tutorial on KZbin?

[@johnghadimi]

@@celemony OH!! That sounds amazing, and it probably avoids me spending money on a tool like Vocalign (since I already have Studio).. do you have a video on that specific feature?

[@Khsamir85]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@tomburden]

Is there any button to automatically align?

[@celemony]

In our multi-track edition, i.e. Melodyne studio, you can quantize your audio to a reference track. You’ll find this feature in the Quantize Time macro.

[@tomburden]

@@celemony thank you!

[@officialWWM]

Studio is over $1000 in Australia! That is drug money for a home studio guy!

[@celemony]

Melodyne prices start at US$99. The program is also highly addictive, but should be much healthier than any drugs. 😉

[@mrnorbotron3308]

But why make this manually? Vocalalign does this all automatically even the pitch. do miss her something?

[@celemony]

If you prefer automatic alignment, that’s fine. The manual approach will give you more control over details. Whatever rocks your boat...

[@mrnorbotron3308]

@@celemony yes but 99% of the time you don’t need that deep possibilities. No client would pay me the time to do it manually in Melodyne. I use Vocalign and for the fine adjustments if needed I open Melodyne.

[@OSdahl]

Can you do this in assistant?

[@celemony]

Of course you can edit the timing in Melodyne assistant as well, but the multi-track view is only available in Melodyne studio.

[@OSdahl]

@@celemony Ok thanks :-) Ill buy studio

[@bboymac84]

Can’t I do this quicker in Vocalign?

[@1SirAlex6]

Quite right

[@jul3249]

So you can do all that OR.... You could turn on a chorus 😂 Just joking, great tutorial!

[@celemony]

A chorus won’t give you the same effect as a vocal double, though. 🙂