Memorable Conversations (Part 3)

[@NeoNorr]

wow lex really had it coming with voting out Ethan and Jerri. #karma came back QUICK

[@kmacca5342]

Lol that Kathy finished Rob’s sentence knowing that she was going next. I did like Kathy. She understood the game and voted for Rob to win!!

[@rosinelankos8010]

Well she can only Vote for Rob or Amber

[@JudeMarchisio]

Lex was a joke in this season. Doing Boston Rob's dirty work like a cretin and then cries foul when the chicken comes home to roost.

[@charliez077]

I actually kinda hate this has so many upvotes. yes, I thought Lex was defo a hypocrite and remains somewhat bitter to this day at the same time - that situation was SO specific, Rob and Lex were good friends outside the game. when you play for a million dollars and a good friend betrays you like THIS... you might be really mad too.

[@TimEllisau]

Lex premerge: This time it's all business Lex post merge: You owe me a special friend favour.

[@Miumiu0404]

Denise's background as a therapist came in really handy in Survivor.

[@YourPalJamieEllis]

Letting someone ride their own train of thought all the way to the station while you simply listen and hold onto your thoughts is an underrated skill, both in life and Survivor.

[@samwells218]

I don't know why people think Lex is good at survivor he's really not

[@matthewplotnick750]

Sam Wells He was pretty but good in Survivor: Africa but he was horrible in Survivor: All-Stars

[@wellingtoncamelo5147]

I didn't like him in any of his appearances

[@encycl07pedia-]

He just has a killer presence. He also preaches integrity but doesn't really employ it. Honestly the fact that he voted off the blonde girl in Africa because he convinced himself she threw one vote his way is just really narcissistic.

[@ryans413]

He should have kept Ethan and Jerry two people on Lex side. Vote Amber off take Ethan and Jerry to the merge instead of taking out Rob now that he is weakened without Amber make an alliance with him make him feel comfortable vote off Robs past alliance Robert Jenna so on Lex next move would be to make sure Rob wins immunity keep him around and vote out Ethan and Jerry Kathy so on. Big part of the plan be too win the last immunity and Lex takes Rob to the end no one liked Rob at that time Lex easy win and voting out Amber give him some brownie points.

[@rojeezee]

03:26 Ciera turns from sweet little pinky promise girl to straight gamebot hitman in less than two seconds.

[@wilbertgutierrez2267]

This is gold

[@danielmirica9164]

Rob lex and kathy's speech was the best. Not because of lex who did the same thing to eathan and jerri, but for kathy who didn't deserve this. And now i feel bad for her after more than 10 years...

[@jackjansen4704]

Daniel Mirica Lex didn't betray Ethan after a promise though. And his relationship with Jerri wasn't long

[@NYChica23]

@@jackjansen4704 Neither was his relationship with Rob...that friendship lasted less than a year

[@LDK447]

Some context on the Lex situation: All-stars was the first ever returnee season. For the first time ever, people who actually already knew each other were playing together. Survivor was also at its most popular. These players were full-blown celebrities, and this was still a small, exclusive group of people with a shared experience that nobody outside the circle could relate to. Players would attend charity events and parties together without ever knowing they’d be playing against each other. Lex and Rob became close friends, but they weren’t the only ones obviously, Ethan had dated Amber and Jenna M, for example. Once all-stars was assembled, the idea of pre-game alliances showed up for the first time. Many survivors were already better friends with some than others, so obviously they wouldn’t commit social suicide by making pre-game agreements with anyone OUTSIDE their existing friend groups. Lex and Rob had the tightest pre-game alliance, but there were others. However, all of these alliances excluded the past winners. Tina, Ethan and Jenna M were basically informed straight up by the other members prior to the start of the season (mostly by Rob and Lex’s group) not to get their hopes up, past winners would be voted out fast (fun fact: Richard Hatch wasn’t informed as he was the most feared, and the pre-game alliances knew they had to blindside him or he’d probably figure out a way to save himself. Fun fact 2: Rob Cesternino was also excluded from all pre-game alliances as he was seen as too big a strategic threat despite not being a past winner). So much work was put in to set up a rigged season for Rob, Lex, big Tom, etc., to steamroll the game. Seems really dirty hearing it as an audience member for sure, but the core of it was a very real friendship, which at the time they never expected to be put at risk. This was after all the first ever returnee season. Lex voting out Ethan is seen as Lex being a real hypocrite, expecting Ethan to take the L like that. Of course, the full story is that Ethan knew he wasn’t making it to the end. In his final conversation with Lex, it was mentioned that Ethans goal was to make it to the jury, and he was pissed that 1) he wouldn’t be able to make the jury as intended (none of the past winners did of course) and 2) he was going home before Jerri, who he felt did not earn her place. He already knew from Lex before the game started, he was not making it very far. But he wasn’t happy to have only lasted that short. Lex had a good game going until he saved Amber, something that he would have NEVER done if this was a first-time season. Robs corny line of ‘you take care of her, I take care of you’ was made out to be the ‘main’ reason Lex saved her. That’s bullshit, he’s not that gullible. He saved Amber because Rob was like a sworn brother to Lex outside the game. He didn’t expect a ‘reward’ from Rob in return, he expected Rob to keep his word that was made long before the game started, that they were gonna do this together. But Rob gladly took the number, let Lex sacrifice one of his own, and then use that numbers advantage to get rid of Lex. So in a way, it felt like Rob had been building up a friendship with Lex for several years (IN REAL LIFE) just to misdirect and trick Lex once they got out in the million-dollar game. Lex voting out Ethan is not comparable to Rob voting out Lex. You can clearly see from Kathy’s reaction that this was not some simple manipulation done within the confines of the game. She was so appalled by it, despite being in a much more neutral position. Lex shows some character too in comforting her and insisting she save herself instead of him. The audience perspective is far from the perspective of the players in the season, who know the full story of what went on before the cameras even started rolling. This level of emotional investment into pre-game alliances has never been seen again in any returnee season, because of the important lessons learnt from all-stars. As a result, no returnee has been as deeply hurt after this, obviously. Personally, I dislike the idea of pre-game alliances, but it’s obviously inevitable given the circumstance. I would have really loved to see Richard Hatch and Tina go far. TLDR: Survivor is not just a game, it’s a social experiment. TV watchers aren’t going to understand things the same was as participants who are starving, malnourished, under rested and mentally/emotionally strained 24/7.

[@emilydinan533]

Thanks for all of this extra info!

[@11liamk1]

I feel like Lex tried to be strategic this season but it was just a lot of bad moves

[@WATCHINGITTT]

Shocked the "Shitty Apartment" argument wasn't involved from Panama. That's probably one of the most hilarious scenes ever. Shane and Courtney were a hilarious pair.

[@NYChica23]

Funniest part of that was Courtney getting more offended about Shane insulting her apartment than she was at him saying he'd kill her

[@ryans413]

Lex backstabs Ethan. Ethan gets mad. Rob backstabs Lex. Lex gets mad. Kathy says she will give Lex her immunity necklace then dosnt. Double backstab for Lex lol

[@kellydaunis]

Well, Ethan at least, handled being voted way better than Lex.He was only mad briefly at the thought of Jerri lasting longer than him. Lex was a cry baby.

[@reginamachamer821]

0:28 it's funny how quickly Lex seemed to forget that when Ethan came to him, "brother to brother", to not vote him out and vote Jerri instead.. Lex basically told him to kick rocks. And his main argument was "this isn't personal, it's just business" my how the turn tables..

[@thouxanbando]

It sucked that Russell had to go he was actually awesome

[@encycl07pedia-]

He's a loser. He *looks* like he's awesome, but he's really not.

[@charliez077]

yeah... in Philipines no. Russell kicked ass with his team in Samoa and got a very well deserved 2nd chance after having that horrible incident. but in Philipines he just sucked - he was lucky he wasn't voted out first tbh

[@robromeo3857]

Denise must play again

[@connormckay2862]

In my opinion she's very forgettable even though I LOVE how she played and the fact that she went to every tribal is mind blowing. I'd like to see her back too but idk she'd either be an early boot or boring to I'd think.

[@oke00306]

She so smooth.. she a good listener, she handled russel very well, make him feel safe. no wonder she end up being therapist..

[@zedwhy371]

Rob Romeo Your wish came true. This queen will return in S40.

[@ryans413]

Well she is now

[@nakulshah58]

Maybe you shouldn't have put this out in the atmosphere

[@jdgannonable]

can't believe there was no...'IT'S A FUCKING STICK'! Good videos though!

[@reginamachamer821]

It's shocking to me how few people on this show are able to put themselves in someone else's shoes. Some of these players, including the ones I love most, have their heads so far up their own asses it defies the laws of physics. It's "just a game" when they're lying or screwing someone over, but then when it happens to them suddenly it's not "just a game" and it's treated like some serous personal attack. It's ridiculous. This mostly just goes for the older seasons, but not completely.

[@SCBS188]

Love these videos!

[@theemeraldaxe1414]

Can't believe yau and dreamz wasnt here.

[@KeatsTube]

Twas hoping to see the Penner Lisa convo

[@prestonk6271]

You honestly could put all of Survivor Philippines on here

[@taruneisen990]

I think it was this conversation that made me not respect Denise any more. Great player, great underdog story, but allowing Russell to feel safe like that then betraying him like that just made me feel ill

[@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong]

It sucks that Survivor causes people to do these things, but it was a great move on her part. They knew there was a good chance he had an idol, and she had to make him feel safe so he wouldn't play it.

[@YourPalJamieEllis]

What can you do when you're on a tribe of three? You have literally no choice but to convince both people privately that you're with them.

[@GeoGuy388]

#3 should be #1

[@thomasyogayoiii3759]

Quelle indignité le boot de Lex.

[@hueykal112]

Lex and Kathy are having a parental conversation with Rob and crying with is actions he put in place getting him a detention

[@samsykes308]

Kathy really needed to understand that this is a game. Just like Lex knew it was when he stabbed his"friend" Ethan in the back and voted him out.

[@SB-jq8jj]

I mean she did vote for him. Overall she was a lot less bitter than some of the others

[@charliez077]

guys this was a very specific situation - first All Stars, at that point there was still a lot of old-school spirit in Survivor AND these guys knew each other outside the game!! Kathy and Rob were Marquesas buddies and Lex and Rob became very good friends too. this was pretty much all new territory.

[@mattveslino252]

Lex is such a fucking hypocrite, my God. Before you stone Boston Rob, stone yourself, Lex, for doing the *exact* same thing to Ethan and Jerri. Although, I'd love to see Lex back because he is a pretty decent strategist, and would love to see how his game has changed.

[@MikeFlamingo]

Matt Vesliño Lex is def one of my all time favorite players. As a kid I was so pissed at Boston Rob!

[@joewiedmeier1080]

The piano

[@barneydrexel7329]

Do best of Ozzy in one of his seasons please! I subbed btw nice channel!!

[@TimEllisau]

Russell Swan would have to be one of the worst survivor players ever. Can't believe he actually said he was blindsided when he got voted off on Philippines

[@faghettii8130]

robs bulge yes ma'am

[@nickforde8036]

Ha ha, 5 Years later and Lex still looks like a hypocrite, as the did to other people what Rob just did to him, but the difference was they were not crying as hard as him about it.

[@gabrielcamilleri1193]

im in awe at the recency bias hahaha

[@mathewbarnes4468]

Lex shaped this whole season really. The bad decisions he did led to amber and Rob making it to final 2.

[@jala1081]

0:52, lex first time nice (maybe cant really remember) lex all stars, meaner but nice enough to tell ethan he is being voted out and explain to jerri why he is keeping amber but not mean enough to screw rob over by getting rid of amber after rob asked him to save her, lex 3.0 fuck everyone totally, I'm fucking winning this time.

[@melodie7282]

Is that really nice though? Or just arrogant? Gor ne it's the 2nd. I hate the way he talked to Ethan especially after seeing how he reacted to being screwed by Boston Rob. I cannot with Lex

[@UnknownUser-fj1cg]

Rob was such a bigot in Marquesas

[@ignaciojoelnexlsoncanas29]

I never liked Rob, never.

[@melonmanwill]

I love how everything with Lex’s downfall / hypocrisy is here. First his convo with Ethan, second his convo with Jerri and then the Rob and Lex

[@queenzoroark]

Ethan wasn't his pre-game ally eo it wasn't hypocrisy. Plus... Kathy is the one who convinced him to get rid of Jerri!

[@melonmanwill]

@@queenzoroark even if it’s true believing that Lex is a hypocrite makes for a much more compelling narrative

[@queenzoroark]

@@melonmanwill I mean, Rob and Lex had history, they were friends, like really close friends, Lex helped Rob in many occasions so, it really hurt him when Rob did not honor their pre-gaming deal

[@sammcpherson6969]

How does probst think rob m is the best

[@zenzenn9789]

Man crush I think

[@ryans413]

Audience liked him gives the show more ratings

[@savageguineapig5857]

Rob is one of my fav survivors he’s such a great character and a great player

[@charliez077]

let's face it, Rob is a great player and fantastic TV.

[@domchocolate9094]

I feel so bad for Lex and Kathy. Boston Rob made a really bad move here. This is absolutely horrible to do. Lex did this for friendship, he did it because they were friends. Rob immediately voted him out broke friendships. It broke people and people didn’t like him anymore. His jury management was absolutely horrible. Maybe not as bad as Russell but rob should have taken account for this. That’s why I love Kathy and Lex’s speech. They show true pain to what Rob has done to them.

[@jeffkaplan6284]

bruh do you know what lex did to Ethan and Jerri?

[@domchocolate9094]

Jeff Kaplan I do. Yes it was bad gameplay by him but still. The best thing Boston Rob should’ve done was wait a few more votes and then vote him out. Maybe then, Rob could’ve won the seasoj

[@kenneyp.9456]

Dom Chocolate he was smart to get him out first because lex and Kathy could have easily persuaded the others to join them if they had time to. So he took him out before he had a chance

[@domchocolate9094]

Kenney P. I understand that, it’s just he didn’t consider the fact that Lex and Kathy wouldn’t be bitter. Kathy wasn’t but man Lex was bitter. It was a bad move because he immediately lost a jury vote in the process

[@kenneyp.9456]

Dom Chocolate if the places were reversed I think lex would have pulled the same move. Him and rob play ver similar games but with rob being more aggressive

[@timyac]

Lex had a very valid reason to be pissed

[@NYChica23]

I'd feel the same way if he didn't previously vote out his best friend Ethan and give the whole "it's business, not friendship" speech, complete with a voting confessional about how a true man loses with grace, so karma just gave Lex what he put out there, and it was good

[@charliez077]

@@NYChica23 yeah I agree, I would totally support him being so mad, but when he did the same thing to Ethan... kinda hard. Kathy I genuinely felt bad for.

[@hunbi1875]

Its crazy how people blame lex and dont look at the very important context. Lex didnt promise ethan anything, and ethan already won. Them being friends like that is why it was so easy.

[@charliez077]

@@hunbi1875 yeah that's actually a really good point. tho I remember him saying something like "helping Ethan wouldn't benefit me at all" at the Reunion which sounded really hypocritical after he talked about friendship constantly.

[@shwift8789]

Everybody saying lex is bad is a Boston rob apologist lmao.