Memories of Folger Stables/Estate

Peter & Elizabeth Folger (Brother and sister of Abigail) discuss early family history, coffee and Folger Stable, which has just been refurbished.
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[@Swimdeep]

Hanging out at the Folger ruins was a frequent part of my teenage years. Interesting to see the house whole.

[@JM-pi1vf]

I feel we tend to forget the victims have family still connected to them. The murders were so long ago and so highly publicized it feels like it’s almost like a fictional event today.

[@1220sassy]

Thank you for sharing this. My heart goes out to EVERY member of the Folger family for the loss of Abigail. She did NOTHING to deserve what happened to her.

[@jackanthony976]

That seems to be the way life is. What we deserve or not deserve and what actually happens to us are two different things. Why did Abigail get 40 knife wounds? Was this part of the plan of a cruel god? Was this karma? Bad luck? It can't be explained.

[@nathanhoward45]

You don't know that!

[@missrockafella9432]

In the wronf place at the wrong time poor woman and sounds like she was a lovely and caring person. RIP Abigail.

[@soso8824]

I hate the fact that she became involved with Voyteck Frykowski, financially supported him, becoming hooked on drugs with him, allowing herself to be used by subletting the Cielo house for Sharon, when she was already renting a house on Woodstock road. I just wish that Gibby wouldve left loser Voyteck long before that night and that entire Hollywood druggie scene.

[@fabis4164]

@@jackanthony976 it can be explained. It’s evil, pure evil on earth. God doesn’t want these things to happen but he gave humans free will to do what they please. And unfortunately there’s evil people who do evil things

[@madaghdjiansophie1796]

Moi aussi je pense a Abigail hier c était sa date d anniversaire elle était pianiste et je lui ai dédié un morceau elle avait une grande profondeur d âme pour aider les gens malheureux malgré sa situation privilégiée c est un acte d'amour bravo a tout ce qu elle a fait en 26ans d'existence .Sophie

[@sharmagneleland-st.john-sy7697]

Elle prévoyait de rentrer chez elle le lendemain matin pour passer son anniversaire avec sa mère. Ils se sont parlé au téléphone à 22h le soir de son meurtre.

[@JasonNoxid]

My heart goes out to every family member of the Abigail Folder and the every family member of the other victims of that horrible night. At least part of justice has been completely done. Susan Atkins is in hell where she belongs await the other Manson followers to join Atkins, including Charles Manson himself.

[@1220sassy]

***** Oh, so cuz Abigail's family was wealthy you think that made her death/murder easier for them? HUH? You really need to stop and think about that. Rich, poor, middle class, black, white, asian, young, old, WHATEVER. Wealthy people love their family just as much as EVERYONE. You sound SO foolish & clueless. BTW, before you start accusing me of being rich; I'm NOT. I've always worked full time and the most I've made is $12.68 per hour. But I don't hate wealthy people just for being wealthy. What you wrote is absurd. Again, just stop & think about it.

[@rachybaby72]

@Lady Heart You're sick...

[@jackanthony976]

The Folger family has been mute regarding the murder of Abigail in such a brutal fashion. No Folger family member ever shows up at any of the parole hearings for any Manson family member while at least one member of the Tate family shows up each parole hearing to speak against parole for any Manson family member, especially Pat Krenwinkle who inflicted over 40 knife wounds into Abigail Folger.

[@JaneDoe-zr4px]

@@jackanthony976 Yes, I found this fact hard to believe when I learned of it a few years ago. But none of us knows how we would deal with a horrendous situation like this. I'd like to THINK I would attend every hearing to make sure my loved one's murderer would be kept in jail but who really knows. Remember, at those parole hearings, the family have to be only feet away from these monsters in a room for several hours. I don't know how I would deal with that at all, let alone every five years, at multiple murderer's hearings, for 40 plus years. However it's hard to believe with all their resources they couldn't hire someone to at least represent the family at the hearings. If for nothing else, than to honor Abigail's memory.

[@BushyHairedStranger]

1220sassy the Folgers are plutocrats!fortune families that exist from stealing from others! To gain fortunes in order to maintain power. More wealth more power, that the type of power used to prop up other wealthier families in order to become Plutocratic Oligarchs!! These ‘FAMILY’ types are the real MONSTERS! They have enough money to help hundreds of thousands of suffering people in the world yet they choose not too based on their elitist oligarchic ways. These families are evil! Don’t get confused with what you’re spoon fed by the media as these families OWN the media!! Just as the Hearst family does or the Reagan family(all from California). Many in this world believe these types should be shot. Thats not my opinion, its just a fact.

[@EmilyJones-ey3df]

For everyone who is shaming the Folgers for not showing up at parole hearings, please note that they are still a very powerful family with political clout. They don't have to parade for the cameras every time one of those cretins come up for parole. All they have to do is pick up the phone and call the Governor.

[@anthonyangeli256]

Money talks

[@anthonyangeli256]

Abigail was wealthy beyond comprehension.

[@deejaye2647]

She was a private banker

[@todaynow1563]

Her death of Abigail Folger was horrific and she was a pretty solid person, of course Manson was nuts as his followers, no one deserves the cruel killings of that mad man.

[@antoniovazquez6478]

Gabby rest in peace

[@josephpond3795]

is it just my computer, or is the sound of this clip VERY, VERY low? My volume is turned up all the way and I can still barely hear it. Anyway, thanks for this.

[@tammybrown4901]

No your right

[@Diddy1970AD]

I thought I was doing deaf!! The sound is very very low for sure.

[@PaulChiesa-db5zn]

The sound needs a re fix

[@kathleendobens6648]

Pretty interesting family

[@Daisypetal100]

This is cool and rare.

[@joan3917]

❤God bless all the victimns and their families ...so much pain and suffering 💔 they all had to endure knowing their loved ones were tortured.

[@bowenmcconnie]

LOVE

[@josephhernandez1885]

Elizabeth looks a bit like her sister

[@atonement7232]

Half sister at best

[@HelterSkelterForum]

Sadly no. I could have listened to them discuss the history of the house all day.

[@magus5555]

cool...never seen this before

[@brianlusk2557]

Was this the Abigail Folger estate

[@antoniovazquez6478]

Love you all

[@tbac6308]

Why don’t they mention Abigail?????????? Ever???????

[@tammybrown4901]

I know like this dark secret, only for yrs Heard about sharon

[@cjh661]

is there a second part?

[@annjohns350]

Can't hear it.

[@tbac6308]

They never mentioned Abigail Folger... they never went to any parole hearing either. I wonder why!? They had money and power

[@jackanthony976]

Maybe they are privately paying people off to keep those evil Manson people in prison

[@paulinejordan6905]

They were afraid

[@sharmagneleland-st.john-sy7697]

TBA C you are very rude. Sadly, Abigale shall only be remembered for her horrific death. No one remembers that she was a volunteer worker at the Free Clinic in San Francisco/ Oakland or her other charity work. If you have ever had someone you love taken from you it is sometimes best to let it go and not keep rehashing the details of their death. Jay Sebring was my boyfriend. I loved him dearly as well as Sharon, yet never attended a parole hearing. Having money and power has nothing to do with it! In my humble opinion, you are a low class imbecile for even suggesting it!

[@kellie5476]

@@sharmagneleland-st.john-sy7697 I saw you on a documentary I watched recently. Any decent human being can understand the family wanting to move on and not rehash details repeatedly and they certainly don't deserve to be rich shamed. I'm so sorry for your loss, Jay definitely seemed like a top bloke and Abigale was so gifted.

[@sharmagneleland-st.john-sy7697]

@@kellie5476 Thank you for your kind words.

[@hadleyusoro2241]

I am here because if Bailey

[@GILBERRful]

Volume really bad

[@Angel-nu7fm]

She was definitely the black sheep in that family....read between the lines in the Helter Skelter book.

[@gabeguzman]

Why was she the black sheep and was it because she was on drugs due to voytek?

[@crmay72]

Angel 1, who? Elizabeth or Abigail?

[@Angel-nu7fm]

@@crmay72 Abigail.

[@sharmagneleland-st.john-sy7697]

Who would bother to read the trash and lies Bugliosi wrote in Helter Skelter. Read Tom O'Neills book! He outs The Bug as a downright liar!

[@soso8824]

@@sharmagneleland-st.john-sy7697 Unfortunately Bug's Helter Skelter was the first major to come out about the murders and for decades was considered the truth on the tragedy. But with more recently published books, we are finding that there was so much more to this tragedy. Iv read Restless Souls by Brie Tate and Alisa Statman. Sharon Tate, A Life by Ed Sanders. Manson Exposed by Ivor Davis. And of course the explosive CHAOS by Tom Oneill. These 4 books have the last word on this case/tragedy. And it took nearly 50 years after the murders for people to be willing to talk. Some people who knew the victims still refuse to talk. I wonder about that. Almost as if there is something to hide. Still. The now deceased Peter Fonda refused to talk to Oneill. Diane Ladd threatened to sue if her name was even mentioned with the murder victims.😱

[@MrRJMGREEN]

Peter seems nice, but Elizabeth comes off as a bit of a snob.

[@HelterSkelterForum]

It's hard to read Elizabeth based on this little snippet. But at the end of the day, she doesn't have to pander to an audience. She was simply commenting on the history of the house.

[@bexcpfc]

MrRJMGREEN Well they did come from a prestigious family...

[@user-py1jt2gi5s]

Did Abigail have a brother or sister? It's sounds like she the only child

[@margadelacruz2774]

theres a female voice in the minute 1:44 ...

[@anibalrodriguez2239]

Bushnell Buy mansión ??

[@billyrizzo7893]

I’d like to go ride a horse.

[@blondthought5175]

Is it simply my disdain for the human race, or does anyone besides me get the feeling that the best of la familia Folger died on Sharon Tate's lawn some forty-five years ago? (Sigh.) [Misanthrope shakes head and wants to join Gibbie.]

[@HelterSkelterForum]

I take it you know Abigail's siblings to say that.

[@blondthought5175]

I wish to hell I knew someone with that kind of money. Frankly, I realize that it was a rude statement. Christ! If I had ever even spotted one of them out of my peripheral vision I would have never typed that! It was bad enough as it was. However, I stand by what I said.

[@carolgladfelder219]

Hi Blond. I'm 52 years old. Over the years; I have learned to expect the worst from people. I no longer trust anyone. I HATE feeling that way. But that is what reality has turned into. Take care.

[@crmay72]

@@carolgladfelder219 agreed!!

[@Madmen604]

I don't much like folgers coffee, may in the early days it was better

[@davidkrausell1741]

What a shame! They vote democrat!

[@skel760]

Oh dear God 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@atonement7232]

Elizabeth, you are the daughter of Folgers 25yr old secretary. Be quiet.

[@sharmagneleland-st.john-sy7697]

And you are the offspring of someone who forgot to teach their child manners! Maybe you should be quiet!

[@politicalprincess1]

She is the daughter of Peter and Beverly Folger. Half sister to Peter Jr and Abigail Folger. Why should she be quiet?

[@soso8824]

@@politicalprincess1 Money...Money....Money.

[@skel760]

23yo with her 53yo boss. I’ll bet he was older than her own father. She was 6y older than peters own daughter. How creepy is that. Creepy af. What young women will do for money.