Memory Lane Chat: Cross of Iron

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@jaykaufman9782 2 ай бұрын

I remember being in the store with three friends when Cross of Iron was released. Neither of us had enough cash to buy it outright, so we pooled our resources and each of us held on to it for a week at a time (Chuck Makela relinquished his turn), until I bought out my friends' shares.

@ddbishopsr 2 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this presentation! ... I had gotten Guadalcanal from AH and later Panzer Blitz while a friend owned Luftwaffe. THis took me from age 10 to my early teens. Then after a seemingly long hiatus I got Squad Leader in my early 20s and was hooked! When COI came out I thought the SL system was complete and in addition realized, for the first time, that the U.S. wasn't the main country that warred against Germany! I had no idea how immense the conflict was on the Eastern Front - only that Colonel Klink would sometimes threaten to sent Sgt. Schultz there for punishment - which I thought was primarily the cold. Little did I know. COI was - and still is - awesome. ASL is truly awesome! But I do miss the older boards - particularly the color and detail difference. Foe example on the new board 5 on the upper and lower right parts of board 5 the gullies look just like wooded tree lines - barely distinguishable from the dark woods whereas they are very distinguished gullies on the old board 5. I wish MMP could make all the boards in a retro version,, along with all the boards in a winter version! I like the sniper rules of COI and really think in some scenarios they would be more accurate portrayals and therefor think a hybrid system would be better and am playing around with doing my own! Awesome video and thanks!

@VonChoker 2 ай бұрын

fantastic trip down memory lane. I think it's probably the best expansion or gamette to a game AH ever produced. I have an original 3rd edition box and the included mapboard was printed at the increased size you talked about at the beginning

@scottrowland2989 2 ай бұрын

Excellent trip down memory lane, my memory being what it is, surprised at what I don't remember about it, other than "Paw Of The Tiger", my favorite scenario from it. Surprised at how much they added in rules, was kinda thinking it was mostly just armor stuff. I was so in love with SL at the time, it was so cool to be getting an expansion to the system, more scenarios, a new map, so exciting. It's crazy to realize how far they came with the game in such a short time, from when SL was released to when ASL was first released and how polished ASL was compared to SL, and how little the rules have changed since it's beginnings, only minor changes between V1 and V2. Definitely mind blowing to look back on the old days and to see how far we've come.

@ASLAcademy 2 ай бұрын

I'd forgot all the changes (and additions) they made in CoI. It was a great expansion. SL started wandering all over the road with CoD, and drove into the ditch on fire in GI. 😂

@werdna9006 2 ай бұрын

Fantastic video. I have just moved on to COI from SL - (My COI is in mint condition, unpunched) now playing on VASSAL. I guess I will take the leap to ASL eventually but my heart is still faithful to SL (and gamettes) at the moment. Thanks for all your hard work. Much appreciated.

@WARdROBEPlaysWWII 2 ай бұрын

There’s something cool about playing the classics.

@eric1752 Ай бұрын

33:20 The hex printing alignment of this board was off just like the original in SL. You commented on it in the SL Memory Lane video. Along the top you can see a tiny portion of the bottom hex row, and along the bottom the center dots of each hex is missing. You would think that either that was intentional (but why?) or there was someone doubling down on a poor alignment decsion. :) Thanks for showing this off. It's been since the mid-1980's since I last saw mine.

@jaykaufman9782 2 ай бұрын

I love Battlefield Integrity. Especially the way an entire force will disintegrate after it's taken heavy losses. You get a sense for a whipped, demoralized army on the verge of morale collapse. It feels so realistic.

@VonChoker 2 ай бұрын

I really liked the idea of BI but honestly no one I knew ever used it seriously due to the incredible amount of paperwork required. A much more elegant system was the ELR rules they put into ASL in my opinion

@Redwhiteblue-gr5em 2 ай бұрын

When I got mine in 1978 I pasted the larger hex map sheets on the back of the hard boards. That way I got extra boards to make the urban battlefield bigger. And you could have the village or hills surrounded by farm terrain using both board 4s.

@WARdROBEPlaysWWII 2 ай бұрын

27:49 I think the length of scenarios is an interesting glimpse into the state of gaming.

@ASLAcademy 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, old SL/ASL scenarios were very long.

@Redwhiteblue-gr5em 2 ай бұрын

At the time it was the most anticipated and revolutionary WWII game to come out. The armor rules and variety of vehicles and guns was mind blowing compared to the first Squad Leader game. Got mine in the mail directly from Avalon Hill. Probably spent the next month of my leisure time playing it all the time. I think I paid $8 for it. Forgot if postage was extra.

@DavidGarvinTechnophile 2 ай бұрын

The AFV and Ordnance listings were amazing. That said, the first scenario had so many terrain modifications, it was daunting to the new player, ie me. That said, COI's AFV rules are really not that too much different from what eventually ended up in ASL.

@DavidGarvinTechnophile 2 ай бұрын

That said, many of these scenarios are classic in ASL as well, especially Hube's Pocket. Also, those are Cavalry, not Conscripts :)

@DavidGarvinTechnophile 2 ай бұрын

Furthermore, I have map sheets 1 - 52 in the unmounted style. They are amazing to have and love playing with them.

@Nick_R_ 2 ай бұрын

I have three copies of COI, two unpunched that I should sell really. It does add a lot of extra rules to the system. A lot of the older players felt this was the peak in terms of the balance between complexity and playability. Some would say that was COD. Personally I felt the original module got the balance right and that what we really needed from the Gamettes was the added nationalities, scenarios and boards (much as the ASL modules provide). My darker blue AFVs are (I think) an even darker blue than yours. I hate that. I'd still like to make a set of COI AFV counters that are the normal nationality colour. The French that come with COD are too close in colour...

@michaelbourgeault9409 2 ай бұрын

there are los differences between different printings and editions of the first 24 boards until the 2nd edition aslrb reprints. for this reason - never do los checks from memory - when in doubt ask for the los check and pull out some string

@StewsReplay 2 ай бұрын

20:17 PERFECTLY cut counters... I guess Kwalitee Cuntrol worked overtime on this sheet.

@ASLAcademy 2 ай бұрын

QC back then was beyond bad. And they'd just throw it in the box and not care. I have a copy of CoD with the counters printed reversed (back/front). "Yeah that's cool, ship it!!" 🤔

@StewsReplay 2 ай бұрын

@@ASLAcademy Those counters are nigh unplayable. I guess they give you space on the counter to draw your own figures

@michaelhaines3451 2 ай бұрын

I remember when COI arrived in the mail, 1980 I think it was. I sat at the dining room table that night for hours and pored over it. Myself, my brother, and our two friends spent hundreds of hours over the next few years playing all the scenarios many times over. Good times. I cooled to the system just a little with COD, and barely played GIAoV.

@ASLAcademy 2 ай бұрын

@@michaelhaines3451 Your reaction to CoD and GI is similar to many players, including myself.

@Nick_R_ 2 ай бұрын

Scenario 13 featured the 'minor' counters as Romanians...

@Redwhiteblue-gr5em 2 ай бұрын

Soviet cavalry and paratroopers are 5-3-7s not conscripts 4-3-6.