Menaka Guruswamy's case for same-sex marriage

Why legalise queer marriages… Do you find Menaka Guruswamy’s argument convincing?
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[@memebytes]

"The majority cannot decide the rights of the minority". Well said! Even the basic right, i.e., the right to love cannot be stripped away from the citizens of India.

[@Trollge398]

I also support the LGBTQUIAVTV HD community

[@HadEs5_3]

@@Trollge398 lgtv*

[@Rohit-cj6eb]

Right to love is crime Punishment: mob lynching/death

[@ChandranPrema123]

Well rights don't apply for illegal immigrants

[@AdiAditii]

Yup, definitely well said

[@rohan34]

It's good to see a country like India, that has treated these issues as some western imports, actually have the discussions in the highest court. This is a positive thing.

[@HadEs5_3]

That's the complete opposite, lmao. Just India trying to be "woke"

[@kishandubey7882]

​@@HadEs5_3Why are you using internet then? It is a woke product fyi

[@fegeleinthesithlord8910]

@@kishandubey7882 what?

[@sayanghosh3544]

There are lakhs of cases pending and our highest court is discussing such rubbish stuffs.

[@kishandubey7882]

@@sayanghosh3544 May you be living like a transgender in your next life.......

[@ojuuyu]

This issue of same-sex marriage not being recognised is not just an outcome of ignorance, but also an outcome of a colonial/western mindset of a social and biological binary, when eastern cultures (like south asia) have almost always had a fluid relationship with gender and sexuality (even as seen in hindu mythology). it is genuinely disheartening to see this persist for this long when i and so many others deserve the same basic rights to love and marriage as any other person because it is human nature to love who you love.

[@Rudra-rf5cn]

Kuch bhi? Same sex marriage kabse hamara hissa ban gya?

[@ojuuyu]

@@Rudra-rf5cn what do you mean "hamara hissa"? pehle ke zamane mein marriage was only considered to be something for procreation but then log pyaar ke liye shaadi karne lage. toh same sex marriage doesn't come under that issue unless we talk about love marriages in today's times. however, in ancient hindu texts, homosexuality has not been considered a crime or a sin or anything like that, balki in many cases, homosexuality has been seen in regular circumstances, for example lord ayyapa was born of vishnu and shiva (mohini's form showing gender fluidity). therefore, it has not been explicitly called to be anything because it is considered nature to love whoever you do. the material world is of less importance than the soul's and it's wishes.

[@only_treats_no_tricks]

​@@Rudra-rf5cn do your research man.

[@Trollge398]

@@Rudra-rf5cn Bro got completely Ratio in a battle of wits by an lgbt clown You should truly feel ashamed of yourself

[@Rudra-rf5cn]

@@only_treats_no_tricks Already did maam

[@memebytes]

“The majority cannot decide the rights of minority”👏👏

[@anishentundra6481]

But minority can decide for majority in india. That is indian democracy.

[@theuseless4219]

@@anishentundra6481 koi sense hai is baat ka

[@Kalinga_yodha]

​@@theuseless4219 bilkul sense he bas shone ki acting mat karo.

[@Ariyan_BloodHitler]

A group lead by 3 genius Is better than a group lead by 100 dump 🎉.

[@shaikh.quadeer]

@@Ariyan_BloodHitler chutiye dumb hota wo likhna sikh pehle 🤣

[@dualapeepa7719]

"of all the things to hate, we chose love" There is so much injustice and problems in our country, why are we trying to decide and deny basic rights of consenting adults? Live and let live. That is what India has always stood for.

[@GobiSubramaniam]

Because two "consenting adults" are not the bases for society. If you go to a prostitute and both are consent to have sex (by agreeing to the price and hour of service), does that mean you are now married to that prostitute? That is the difference between sex through marriage (which could create family) and sex through hook-up culture. You cannot equalize both with a simple nonsense like "consenting" and basic rights. You are human living in a human society, not a stray dog.

[@sayanichatterjee199]

@@GobiSubramaniam Consent is basis of humanity, we left barbaric ages long back. And that is by far the greatest. Sex is not a determinant of marriage (going by your short-sighted example). Marriage is a choice and a promise, a legally valid one. But that does not criminalise consenting adults to form relationships. "Consent" is NOT "nonsense".

[@GobiSubramaniam]

@@sayanichatterjee199 - Consent is basis of humanity? Is that included the relationship between a prostitute and her client who she had sexual interaction with based on mutual consent (and agreed payment)? If that is true, are these lawyers who are fighting for LGBTQ now going to fight to legalise prostitution next since that too is illegal in India?

[@naina986]

​@@GobiSubramaniam​Prostitution in india is not a crime. I'm pretty sure I remember reading that somewhere.

[@yungman7053]

​@@naina986it is a crime in India in many states

[@memebytes]

Even the Hindu mythology narrates stories of same-sex relationships and also mentions about the existence of transgender deities. The discrimination that the lgbtq community faces today in india is solely an outcome of ignorance. They can't get away with saying same sex marriage can't be legalized because it will hurt religious sentiments. Great to hear so many lawyers voicing their thoughts. Hoping to see inclusiveness prevail one day!

[@Trollge398]

Those Hindu Mythology stories were probably written by some pro Pakistani anti nationalist to defame bharat Burn them

[@user-fu2xq3kw3m]

Lmao how many hindu scriptures have you read?

[@Cash_2854]

@@Trollge398 Sarcasm?

[@Cash_2854]

@@Vizorfam Go away💀

[@Cash_2854]

@@user-fu2xq3kw3m How many you've, sir?

[@gamefever1892]

And today lgbt people finally got legal rights promised. I thank all these lawyers for making this possible💯

[@tempest0.0.0]

Seriously??! Does that finally mean thay same-sex marriages are now legal?

[@moshmosh4129]

@@tempest0.0.0 nope

[@tempest0.0.0]

@@moshmosh4129 really? How's the case doing, then?

[@gamefever1892]

@@tempest0.0.0 marriage is not yet legal....but the centre agreed to give us legal rights without an actual marriage....they will form a committee and see to it what all legal rights can be given.

[@krishnas.7373]

​@@gamefever1892 what about adoption ?

[@shivanginegi1699]

The design of nature exists in spectrums, not just black or white. That's what makes it so complex and amazing. We humans, in an attempt to classify and organise something in simple terms for our simple minded brains have become so rigid that we cannot look beyond it anymore.

[@smilekeshwer281]

The ancient Indian text Kamasutra written by Vātsyāyana dedicates a complete chapter on erotic homosexual behaviour. Historical literary evidence indicates that homosexuality has been prevalent across the Indian subcontinent throughout history. Living in a country whose whole philosophy is of advaita, Upanishads which keep telling you that you are beyond this material body. These notions of gender were trivial things to fight for. It is victorian mindset where even the legs of table are covered, leave that of woman.

[@mohitanand1844]

Kamasutra isn't a holy book. Not ours neither it's a history book. We don't follow it

[@smilekeshwer281]

@@mohitanand1844 I do not know how you read something and think other. I never said it is a scripture. It is a text of Indian origin. Our scriptures were foundation on which a society was built which was bold enough to accept a book on sexuality is what I pointed out. Making personal insults won't prove your point. You said it is not Indian which is wrong then there is not a chapter on homosexuality which is also wrong. A basic google search will help you sir. Read a bit, study a bit. Do not just start typing reply to this now. Calm down and think, make your opinions.

[@prachipande3111]

Kamasutra is a pretty disgusting book. Idk why we've been treating it like a holy book, why aren't we giving it the same treatment as manusmriti, since manusmriti was considered holy too? Kamasutra objectifies women, has a lot of instances of potential rape, and a lot more.

[@smilekeshwer281]

​@@prachipande3111Any book which portrays how the society and individual life should be conducted is destined to change with time. Nobody considers it as a holy book. If a book on sexuality was accepted by a society at that time, it portrays what kind of society it has been. Sex was not a taboo for always in India, that's the point we are making. Nobody says we should follow it. The same way manusmriti tells the vices of that society, kamasutra shows the liberty that people were ready to take in their sexual life

[@sampadnag2928]

​@@smilekeshwer281 bro all these people you are saying that homosexuality is a western concept, they do not know 1 thing about India culture. Our society gave rights to homosexuals way before western people understood what homosexuality is. A book like Kamasutra has instances of homosexuality which was written by an Indian in ancient India still people deny it as an India concept. Our people think Kamasutra as a book filled with eroticism and deny it's contribution to our society, whereas the book has many more aspects other than just sex

[@memebytes]

LGBTQ people are as much Indians as anyone else and everyone deserves the basic rights which they are entitled to as per the Constitution 🇮🇳🏳‍🌈

[@shenivin6899]

🤡

[@Trollge398]

​@@shenivin6899 How to identify an Fatherless or Motherless child Answer: having an edgy cringe anime profile picture

[@HadEs5_3]

@@Trollge398 atleast he ain't delusional ☠️

[@Trollge398]

@@HadEs5_3 I am not delusional I am completely schizophrenic but atleast I am not an fatherless child who tries to be edgy for the sake of being edgy

[@only_treats_no_tricks]

​@@HadEs5_3 you think you're okay?

[@aryajagannadham]

I love how the homophobes hide in the replies of comments in this comment section lmao

[@pickachu3739]

Why is being homophobic a bad thing?

[@vivek-420]

@@pickachu3739 you just proved him right 😂🤣

[@sararahul3140]

This women is just fabulous. What point to point reasoning. Way to go miss Guruswamy.

[@yogeshkumarallum2540]

How do you know she is a woman?? 🤣🤣🤣

[@GobiSubramaniam]

Is it Ms. Guruswamy or is it Mrs. Katja? Or is it Mr. Guruswamy and Ms. Katja? Someone clarify it, please.

[@Namratha-no8pr]

@@yogeshkumarallum2540 haha you're so funny, how do you know you're a man?

[@yogeshkumarallum2540]

@@Namratha-no8pr I have a penis . So I am a man. I don't believe in LGBTQ, that crap doesn't exist

[@saddha1]

It’s called chromosomes.

[@prakamyashukla2489]

No one should be denied of their rights. According to Constitution

[@shreyasnadagouda4619]

What if one day no one come forward to donate sperm for lesbian couple and egg and womb for gay couple, Please enlighten me how Homo sapiens maintain its pace

[@shreyasnadagouda4619]

It has become fashion to support LGBTQ with half knowledge without knowing it’s possible outcomes

[@smiley_wiener]

​@@shreyasnadagouda4619not everyone wants to have kids in this economy, some people are happy just being married too and there's a thing called Adoption. There are plenty of kids in need of support and love in this world. And if we're talking about future human existence and human reproduction, heterosexuals will not go extinct before the homosexuals. So yes I don't see a problem and not everyone likes the idea of surrogacy and the help of someone to reproduce a kid who isn't their spouse.

[@rishikabiswas6899]

The way she spoke my gawddd, I am having goosebumps. She is such a wonderful orator.

[@debaratinandi7405]

I hope this time, they will get their much needed right.

[@vicky8919]

Great arguments by lawyer ! Everyone deserves equal rights.

[@rahulsingha1911]

A society where same sex marraige is not recognised is a society which forces rape upon the person who is homosexual by forcing and social conditioning of the heterosexual marraige upon the homosexual person and thus to live with a heterosexual person. If a woman does not like the touch of a man, but if the parents of her are forced out of social and legal conditions to give her daughter to a heterosexual man, the legalised sexual advance of that man to his lesbian mentality based wife is legalised rape, which may be allowed by law but is injustice or adharma. For this Sri Krishna said parampara main dharm rah sakta hai, parantu dharm parampara nahi hai hamesha....

[@aum8136]

The one's opposing are majority of those who were in favour of boy child. If this law is passed they won't get brides for their kids and also fear that most will come out in the open and accept their true selves. Everyone should have equal right in this world. Live and let live.

[@MissionNeetPgMarch]

​@@Trollge398 you wanna marry a lesbian?

[@prachipande3111]

That is such a stupid theory💀

[@HadEs5_3]

"true" selfes? Pardon me? Idk man a mentally ill would always he is right no matter who tries to help him. Wouldn't be surprised if India turns out to be the next America with this new law

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

and the many boys and men and also women who are unmarried are against this rights for the same reason too. They are afraid of finding a spouse if they don't continue to have the sword of social system to control the people of their choice too. They are controlling and mentally ill.

[@user-bw8yn3zr1s]

@@prachipande3111 no, it's actually true. I saw many comments of boys and men who are saying that they are not finding girls, and here people are talking about letting two girls get married. Then when I pointed out is this what he wants, to marry a girl against her will, who clearly wants to marry and be happy with a woman, then he went on about how homosexuality is abnormal, against the nature and biology, how lgbtq+ people are mentally ill and blah blah blah. Then when I called out his hypocrisy, he must have written some threatening comments, and that's why I can't see that comment now.

[@roopeshmesta456]

She a got a very valid point

[@radhikalo28.]

You hit the nail on the head, salute Mam

[@priyanshudas1]

mam he ya sir kaisa pata bhai sorry behen

[@ishubhamu6686]

Very Well said mam….education is the only way can expand your area to think rationally …

[@strawberry_and_cigarette]

This is not only queer phobic but that the lovely old misogony. And they will be treated as mother and mother. And vice versa. And simply as parents. There are singleee parents in india raising kids. If there the law can work why can't in the case.

[@proudhindustanihindu2725]

She very intelligently integrated Same sex marriage with that of discrimination faced by LGBTQ+...😊 however both are different both need different guidelines and judgements

[@sakshixchoudhary]

an excellent lawyer and an even more inspirational woman #westandformarraigeequality

[@theeducator8574]

I don't

[@Inferno-rq5cd]

🏳️‍🌈⃠

[@random-po6er]

​@@theeducator8574 no one asked

[@priyac1238]

​@@theeducator8574 ha homophobic people

[@theeducator8574]

@@priyac1238 tumhara husband na nikal jae homo 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Roti rehna 🤣🤣 Padosi ke yaha Jana 🤣🤣🤣🤡

[@memebytes]

Biological man is not a definition of what your definition of a man is. It's far more complex" I love the judge for making this statement.

[@Rudra-rf5cn]

The same judges criticise army for their nda selections...Bloody wokes and biology fails...

[@sayakmaity7494]

a biological man is a biological male, this is reality.

[@chinnappal9122]

could you explain me how is it far more complex?

[@tempest0.0.0]

@@chinnappal9122 the genitals of a man i.e. biological proof is not enough to be a man. This is what a judge regarding this case said. Perhaps what they meant is there are many societal standards that a man must live up to or a propriety that he must have to be considered masculine enough to be a man.

[@byron2477]

Biological man is not complex It just means that a person with XY chromosomes

[@anipghose7751]

Brut suddenly became Ekta Kapoor towards the end of the video. Whuss whuss whusss

[@joshuajoshua8417]

She is a Kannadiga. Kannada Pride.

[@anonymousforever330]

Brother we're all Indians here so let's think on national level and not on regional level

[@AmitSingh-helloWorld]

😂😂 grow up form the regional mindset .

[@joshuajoshua8417]

@@AmitSingh-helloWorld . Kannada Warriors General Thimmayya and General Cariappa won us Indian Independence. Or else u wud be kissing the British even today

[@lakshyavarshney9942]

Acceptance towards Homosexuality isn't something to be so proud of

[@lakshyavarshney9942]

​@@joshuajoshua8417how?

[@muhammedfavask8963]

Legalize Same sex marriage is not a problem for me personally, it doesnt mean that i support this Lgbtq+ idea. However, one cannot force this ideology onto someone everyone has their own rights and preferences so respect it. Also keep in mind that Western ideologies always not right. Most of the people think that "this idea is from western developed countries so it must not be false". Hypocricy is still there in the world.

[@byebyedislikecount939]

This is not a western idea. But okay

[@muhammedfavask8963]

@@byebyedislikecount939 yup... I meant the gender identity crisis that's going on in Western countries ☺️

[@SophisticatedArc]

I think gay people should be accepted no matter what because they ARE real people.

[@Daddy2Daddy]

This is absolutely stupid. Look into the arguments put by advocates and Justices in this matter. Chief Justice just announced that the Honourable Supreme Court cannot entertain popular morality because if they go by what young people feel then they afterwards have to listen to what many other people feel. Listen to the arguments put forth by the Solicitor General and how the bench agreed on the devastating effects and ramifications of legalising same-sex marriage on the personal laws, Special Marriage Act, Constitutional laws, Criminal and Civil Procedure, and provisions and laws and safeguards for women. The problem is that people are seeing this without even a smidgeon of technical knowledge, and it is not a problem but people should restrain from speaking on the matters which are exceedingly severe. Same-Sex Marriage entails Identity-crisis (just like what is happening in USA) and after that Identity Politics. There would be thousands of petitions on the identity issues with the defence of 78th paragraph in NLSA v. UOI (2014). Attorney General is not wrong when he said to thr bench that no one id stopping them from marrying whomever they want without registering it. He even said that his marriage is not registered, and they don't depend on thr State in the matter of marriage. Same-sex marriage also entails people wanting special provisions, reservation, and so on. There is so much into this, and people are behaving like they understanf everything. First look at the severity of the matter, then think if you should dive into it or not.

[@seeker7943]

Well informed and logical arguments.

[@Daddy2Daddy]

@@seeker7943 Thanks.

[@SophisticatedArc]

@@seeker7943 unlike the majority of brain dead “it’s like incest!” comments

[@meetaksharamishra3088]

Very well said by ma'am 👏🏼#lawyeroftheyear. Why this even a case or questions rise by court if anything they should fight it's about sexual harrasment , money laundering, education system, dirty politics 👀but no they want to simply distrub those people who simply wants to spend life as they want... marriage,love and child it #LGBTQ rights . They deserve to live there life in #peace #happily . What is issue with that? If anything they want to give them is there proper respect and insurance, child adoption these should be provided to them🌱. Then they say that today's youth are so rude towards government. 🙄 We not rude we just vocal about human rights.

[@KarthiKeyan-co6cv]

People's are not understand LGBT feeling and also hurt them.please sir protect them

[@mathheadpaul8571]

I support her. I wish my mother had this kind of courage 👌

[@freakshit22]

“Marraige and sex should remain in the arena of responsibility not autonomy”, - Advocate Thomas in Supreme Court. “Fundamental rights don’t operate vacuum, they are all meant to operate in the context of a society” - Lawyer Dwivedi.

[@reader7046]

​@C.S Braga We learn English ,our mother tongue is the native language of our place.

[@reader7046]

​@C.S Braga Nice ,yaa as an Indian I too am surprised about casteism. God knows who follows them for I dont.

[@reader7046]

@C.S Braga I speak Hindi . नमस्ते ! 🙏☺️

[@reader7046]

@C.S Braga pleasure talking to you 🌟!

[@abhishekbhaskar6268]

actually majority can ,thats what democracy means!!

[@aliasuser_]

democracy is a government that decides on laws based on majority of its "elected members" not the "society"... also government cannot encroach fundamental rights of any individual (much less a community)

[@abhishekbhaskar6268]

@@aliasuser_ lol they can , will of people u know for your info even government like congress and regional parties said noo to this degeneracy 😂

[@aliasuser_]

@@abhishekbhaskar6268 will of people doesn't determine rights of minorities... You should read.

[@abhishekbhaskar6268]

@@aliasuser_ it can and it will what u gonna do about it??

[@abhishekbhaskar6268]

@@aliasuser_ who elect those member majority naa!! If they says we dont want, this thing to be legal, keep it illegal or lose your vote, what the elected government representative gonna do!! That's why I mention above even congress and other parties said nooo, even before bjp!! Why?? Because, they understand the will of people!! 5 percent of lgbtq+, doesnt represent whole nation!! Nor it's culture or system, all major religion institutes will oppose it, and you should not just make opinion while sitting in ur comfort zone, society doesn't work that way!!

[@anonymously2570]

so much has changed since 2018 and i hope we keep changing for the good. i hope for the best, much love to everyone fighting the fight

[@janhvitiwari9156]

Truly not able to understand what is the issue with two people who love each other wanting to marry is wrong! Our culture have always respected love and have not bound them with any gender, Krishna se pyaar gopiyon ne bhi kiya tha aur krishna ke rang mein gwale bhi saje the. Jab bhagwan ne pyaar karne mein humara gender, caste, status nahi dekho toh hum kyu pyaar ko sirf body aur gender ke aspects mein dekh rahe.

[@theeducator8574]

Bro at gopi times lord Krishna was only 9 It was not the love u think

[@janhvitiwari9156]

​@@theeducator8574 it was indeed not the love we know today. It was majestical, magnificent and the best of all❤. But my only point is why to just associate love with gender, body, needs, etc. It is way more than that.

[@theeducator8574]

@@janhvitiwari9156 noo i mean, a 9 year child's love is different

[@oneforallah]

I agree blood relation is FALSE AND FAKE, my own family is my biggest enemy despite me being blood related, whereas some strangers I know have helped me 1000x more than my own BLOOD FAMILY.

[@rmemorybox9320]

Love your efforts guys ❤

[@7kanak]

everybody in the comment sections have forgotten ancient texts, but now they are citing them.

[@harshpalani]

they’ll have to when people treat homosexuality as a western import

[@gchudasamadarshit9111]

The most fundamental argument is that LGBTQ individuals have the same rights as anyone else to marry the person they love. Denying them this right is a violation of their fundamental human rights and goes against the principle of equality. Marriage is a celebration of love and commitment between two individuals. LGBTQ individuals have the same capacity for love and commitment as anyone else, and they deserve to have their relationships recognized and celebrated. Marriage provides important legal and financial benefits, including access to healthcare, inheritance rights, tax benefits, and the ability to make decisions for each other in times of crisis. Denying LGBTQ individuals the right to marry denies them access to these important benefits. Legal recognition of same-sex marriages can contribute to greater social acceptance and equality for LGBTQ individuals. It sends a message that LGBTQ relationships are just as valid and deserving of respect as heterosexual relationships. It's important to recognize that marriage equality is not about disrupting the equilibrium of society, but about creating a more just and equal society where all individuals are treated with respect and dignity, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity Legalizing LGBTQ marriages does not make everyone want to become homosexuals. Sexual orientation is a complex and deeply ingrained aspect of a person's identity that is not influenced by external factors such as legal recognition of same-sex relationships. People do not choose their sexual orientation, and research has shown that attempts to change one's sexual orientation are ineffective and harmful. The LGBTQ community is a natural part of human diversity. Sexual orientation and gender identity are aspects of human variation that exist in every culture and throughout history. They are not a choice or a lifestyle but rather an intrinsic part of a person's identity. The scientific consensus is that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental factors. It is important to respect and celebrate the diversity of human sexuality and gender identity. Everyone should have the right to love and form relationships with whomever they choose, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. Legalizing same-sex marriage is a step towards achieving this goal of equality and acceptance. there is no evidence to suggest that LGBTQ relationships are harmful to society. In fact, research has consistently shown that LGBTQ individuals are just as capable of being good parents, building strong families, and contributing positively to their communities as heterosexual individuals. Ultimately, people should be free to love who they choose, regardless of gender or sexual orientation, and society should embrace and celebrate diversity in all its forms.

[@paraparnoid113]

It is not natural to humanity it is nothing but corruption of human psychy. Entire western world is living example of how destructive it is for the society where they have come to the point where they have invented 65+ genders, asking for hormon & surgery subsidiaries from government. This corruption of senses has no ending.

[@saddha1]

Marriage is a religious institution for a man and woman, it is created by religion in which governments should stay out.

[@hobihobi7]

I saw her speech in one instagram reel and istg ekdam sherni lg rhi thik sherni. mae tho bhai fan ho gyii hu inki. I hope supreme court takes the right desicion and ensure marriage equality. Bhut logo ke opinion sunne h maine aur bhuto ek misconceptions about lgbtq+ community. It made me realize one again on how important sex education is for India. I hope they make a movie about her

[@emotionalIntelligence2078]

As per PC-PNDT ACT (undeveloped genitals by birth), SC forbade parents to decide for their kid's surgery in favour of a Son before 18 yrs. Such kids after 18 may have difficulty being a boy and engulf into mixed emotions to homo or hetero sex. They may have harmonal urge of a girl to love a boy i.e. the surgical boy will love a boy - So no question of "marriage is b/w a *biological* male-female " can avert these unconventional conditions, as by NATURE itself such babies are born.

[@byebyedislikecount939]

You are mixing two things. Biological sex and sexuality are different things. Sexuality is about what you are attracted to, so either same sex or different sex or both. Homosexual means same sex, heterosexual means opposite sex and bisexual is both. Sex is either male or female, but due to gender dysphoria, you do not identify with the sex assigned at birth. Hence, you undergo transition. These people are what we call transgender. Both gays and transgender are very different. You can be gay but not trans, or you can be trans but not gay. You can also be gay and trans.

[@emotionalIntelligence2078]

@@byebyedislikecount939 Yeah I know. Just wanted them to counter the govt agent- solicitors' Biological Man remark. They roamed around it but didn't address the "natural" flow of things solicitor advocated.

[@byebyedislikecount939]

@@emotionalIntelligence2078 I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding. The SG is a hypocrite. SMA existed so that intercaste and interreligious marriages could happen. Yet he tries to say that it is only about straight couples.

[@samayh5749]

Very well said. Equal rights for everyone. If I can marry, why can't you.

[@krittikabiswas8500]

Beautifully spoken!!!!!

[@Adiiitisii]

Menaka mam aap inspiration ho ❤ such a intellectual woman 💯

[@sandyy652]

Kulangaar

[@ManishSirmour]

I am not someone who advocates for LGBTQ right but As long as something doesn't HARM others, I don't see any reason to oppose it

[@unfortunatelyhuman5330]

Full support to the LGBTQ community of India!!! 💪

[@Vivi-Core]

❤

[@Inferno-rq5cd]

🏳️‍🌈⃠

[@shreyasnadagouda4619]

Bro do you even know what are core outcome of same sex marriage, Don’t just go emotionally think once in evolutionary way.

[@Inferno-rq5cd]

@@shreyasnadagouda4619 well said✊️ there is no end explaining this simple logic to ignorant stupid masses of emotional fools.

[@unfortunatelyhuman5330]

@@shreyasnadagouda4619 Bro!! I have introspected my decision again and again about this issue but when I look at the other problems of the society like - women and children being raped and killed, human trafficking, illegal conversions, murders, robberies, communal riots etc....etc Then I get that these issues are having much bad and dark impact on the society than the LGBTQ law will do. Yes I agree that it will bring a difference but now the time has come to accept it. They are human beings too!!!!

[@varshaiyer9395]

Kudos to Brut for their excellent journalism in bringing these matters to light

[@theeducator8574]

Chii

[@theeducator8574]

Chhi chhi

[@rohitavadhani6995]

to start off, civil partnership could be made legal. this could help with most issues she has raised.

[@khushichauhan4183]

shee explained so wellll ,,, good job👏👏👏👏👏👏❣❣

[@feelgoodspace]

Marriage is between man and woman period

[@yahyahasan1554]

Nah

[@yahyahasan1554]

@@user-dw98gv nah

[@AneesAhmed007]

Basically her reason for legalizing same sex marriage is so that LGBTQ people can easily buy life, medical and home insurance like the normal couples (i.e husbands and wives) do . Why not just add/have a law to get those easily accessible to the LGBTQ community instead of legalizing same-sex marriage? You love someone of the same sex which is untraditional and want to convert what is traditional to suit your agenda. Thereby normalizing what you are? Great👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@NONAME-zi7sd]

greek and hindu mythology have gay references. it is not untraditional. they don't want to interfere in hindu muslim personal laws. they are asking for same sex marriage under special marriage act. any other arguement ?

[@AneesAhmed007]

@@NONAME-zi7sd @NO NAME I'm guessing you're probably right about Hindu and Greek mythology although I have not read too much about it. By traditional I'm talking about what your parents, grandparents and your ancestors have done so far. Did any of them marry people of the same sex? One problem with legalizing same sex marriage is normalization of the LGBTQ views. Just like you're not supposed to force your religion down someone's throat why should the LGBTQ agenda be forced down people's throat . People want to be gay, great keep it yourself. You want to be a Muslim or Hindu keep it yourself. Don't try to change the law or add laws for your own selfish gains. You want traditional rights and norms you need to stick to traditional rights and norms. Cool? Sorry for using the word you...I just meant it in a general sense. Nothing against you. 🙏

[@syntheticsilkwood2206]

@@AneesAhmed007 just like it is lawfully legal to change your religion Is that forcing your beliefs down people's throat? People just want to get married and lice normally like other people and they feel like they have to leave true own country just to have a family of their own Nobody is forcing anything on anyone other than you guys who want to dictate how others live their life

[@AneesAhmed007]

@@syntheticsilkwood2206 @Synthetic silkwood you don't have to change your religion legally if you don't want to. If I'm not wrong you still maintain the same rights as an Indian regardless of your faith. What I meant by shoving it down people's throat is when religious people (of any community) go around preaching that others should do what they believe in and believe that special laws should be created for their people. Marriage has always been between a man and woman. What is your reason for changing that law now? If you choose something out of the norm why do you want everyone else to adhere by it. Funny you say people like me dictate how others should live when you and the LGBTQ community want to dictate my world and the world my kids are going to grow up in by changing the law to suit your agenda of normalizing LGBTQ views.

[@NONAME-zi7sd]

@@AneesAhmed007 one thing i want to point out is that marriage is not a union between man and women. e.g: in a african tribe a women can marry women if she is infertile. though they are not lesbian. it's mainly for passing name and property.

[@ayushmanbaruah8667]

She is a big source of inspiration to many of us. Salute to you Mam!

[@syntheticsilkwood2206]

She spoke with such grace and respect not like others in the parliament shouting at the top of their lungs trying to prove a point that doesn't even have any logic to it

[@oneforallah]

She is right though, every Indian fills forms and there are fucking crazy restrictions in all of them, like if u have a single parent, u compulsorily have to give fathers name etc ....for LGBTQ people it must be 100x harder.

[@sahy10204]

So true!!..... But look at these homophobes.... They're act like LGBT people are asking them to become one. Using reproduction as an excuse for thei hatred. Like seriously???

[@AbhinavVatsAVVA]

Religion wise, it doesn't make sense that a Hindu country does not have same sex marriage. It should be natural considering that all living beings have divinity (Om) in them equally. Besides the philosophy of Ardhnarishwar is all gender embracing. Thousands of years back, it was a more Inclusion based society than it is now.

[@acharya8959]

This will crash TFR. Which is why UCs must support it. Express solidarity folks!🎉😊

[@bhunajeera]

Whatever she says.. We as a country aren't ready for it. Forget the moral obligations, even technically, when a male and a female parent is required in every verification and confirmation, long processes, etc, saying that we can just replace words with those gender neutral things is too soon. It'll take maybe 10 more years to this to be a thing realistically

[@SophisticatedArc]

People who love each other SHOULD be able to marry. I mean

[@franckfranciszek]

if the currency notes could be changed in a year or two, basic human rights like these will take 10 years?

[@StarBoy-ps1xc]

@@SophisticatedArc then legalize marriage between blood sisters and brothers Your opinion is trash✋️

[@arpitasingh4946]

Just because the country ain't ready don't mean a minority should be deprived of their rights, and they sound be left ignored saying the majority isn't ready to give them basic rights just yet.

[@bhunajeera]

I think y'all misunderstood. Even the West took time to get used to this stuff.. It's JUST budding in India so it'll definitely take 10 years.. You can't just compare human lives and their beliefs with currency, that's just plain stupid

[@krutikamotdhare9754]

Love you ma'am!!! I am a lawyer and i really hope ,i am able to present my arguements as eloquently as you have put yours

[@user-zc6oe2mt4l]

There is no concept called trans. This is all a delusion and just validating feelings

[@GreatIndian-is5sj]

No hetero sexual couple has to face this kind of stragel for their love .society and law give them automatically

[@trojanleo123]

I listened to most of the arguments made during the 10 days of hearing spread over almost a month and this argument from Guruswamy was the most succinct and the most compelling argument. She delivered a masterclass. It is sad to know that the majority of the judges were not persuaded and our brothers and sisters from the LGBT community continue to be treated as second class citizens.

[@pratyushkaushik9111]

as a Jew i support her views

[@acharya8959]

Oy vey😢

[@chinnappal9122]

YOU EITHER BE A JEW OR SUPPORT LGBTQ YOU CANT BE BOTH

[@beautifulmind2797]

💛💜💗💞💟💚💙💖💙💚💛💚💚💙💖💚💚💛💜💜💛💚💚💙💖💙💚💛💛💜💛💚💙💖💖💚💚💛💜💜💛💚💙💖 we want justice & equality 🤔 we want basic common rights like other HETEROSEXTUAL PERSON 🙏

[@HadEs5_3]

First go make ur mind up to which gender u belong to. U sure u ain't a cat?

[@govegsaveanimals1972]

Anyone has the right to ruin their lives via marriage... I truly believe that. Equal-opportunity possibility of destruction for all.

[@s.g2068]

Brut when will you put the other side of the argument present by advocate sai deepak?

[@BelugaGuy-ks5mp]

Useless.

[@nidhisharma5738]

We have a long way to go now is not the time I think we need more supportors in real life 🌈 all up for lgbtq marriages here thou but i can't stress this enough is we need more people to treat them like human 🏳️‍🌈

[@anupomkumarhazarika7046]

Beautifully argued.

[@narendrasomawat5978]

Marriage = socially enforced monogamy.

[@Me_di]

For those saying gender-fluidity/ homosexuality is a “Western concept” 😂 At the Lakshmana temple in Khajuraho (954 CE), a man receives fellatio from a seated male as part of an orgiastic scene. A number of Hindu texts have portrayed homosexual experience as natural and joyful,[1] the Kamasutra affirms and recognises same-sex relations,[2] and there are several Hindu temples which have carvings that depict both men and women engaging in homosexual acts.[3] The Vedas do not restrict homosexuality and there are numerous Hindu deities that are shown to be gender-fluid and falling into the LGBT spectrum.[4][5] Same-sex relations and gender variance have been represented within Hinduism from the Vedic times through to the present day, in rituals, law books, religious or narrative mythologies, commentaries, paintings, and even sculptures. Psychoanalyst Sudhir Kakar writes that Hindus are more accepting of "deviance or eccentricity" that are adherents of Western religions, who typically treat sexual variance as "anti-social or psychopathological, requiring 'correction' or 'cure'". "A woman known for her independence, with no sexual bars, and acting as she wishes, is called svairini. She makes love with her own kind. She strokes her partner at the point of union, which she kisses." (Jayamangala on Kama Sutra 2.8.13). The various practices of lesbians are described in detail within the Second Part, Eighth Chapter of the Kama Sutra. Hindus commonly identify with and worship the various Hindu deities connected with gender diversity such as Ardhanarisvara (the androgynous form of Shiva and his consort Parvati), Aravan (a hero whom the god Krishna married after becoming a woman), Harihara (an incarnation of Shiva and Vishnu combined), Bahuchara Mata (a goddess connected with transsexuality and eunuchism), Gadadhara (an incarnation of Radha in male form), Chandi-Chamunda (twin warrior goddesses), Bhagavati-devi (a Hindu goddess associated with cross-dressing), Gangamma (a goddess connected with cross-dressing and disguises) and the goddess Yellamma.

[@dsodragon8152]

Well the fact is also that marriage is a social institution, and the heteronormative character of Indian society cannot be ignored. As J.Sai Deepak already said in his deposition, the character of the society cannot be just thrown in the bin on a whim. "They have a cause, but they don't have a case"

[@saddha1]

Marriage is a religious institution between a man and a woman for raising families. Govt should stay out of it.

[@paragrane4760]

What about adoption?

[@rangitbapiofficial7111]

Sabka jine ka pura adhikar hain pura samman ke sath.

[@telmonk003]

India is not ready yet, let things move at their pace. Article 377 was not passed overnight. These things take time.

[@rountysarkar288]

This matter not only solution of same sex marriage..... It's actually survival of those people who thinks different & personal orientation that they can't exhibit into our society & family..... Those people also have to right to live as they want.. They have the right to take equal civil rights... Afterall all are human being.......

[@ayushisingh8206]

Menaka ji is the one of the boldest woman of the century ❤️❤️❤️

[@Ssc2969]

Hats off to you mam. Totally for same-sex marriage and individual freedom and expressions.

[@theeducator8574]

Shame on u supporting those animals

[@sandyy652]

Freedom I ghatiya majak is se jyada aur kya ....

[@omshanti1960]

​@@theeducator8574 what is your problem?

[@omshanti1960]

​​@@theeducator8574if you can't understand the LGBTQ community then stay away from this matter..😡

[@omshanti1960]

​@@sandyy652 aur tum ullu ke paththe ja pahle thoda research karke aa phir kuch bhi bolna aur tumhe kya problem hai LGBT community se...bolo?

[@isabell99840]

Wow . She is so articulate

[@gauravmehra5454]

She literally made me recheck all my positions on this issue!!! I hope the SC comes with a decision the way Prime Minister comes out with his decisions.. Not the orthodox ones but something interestingly new that would make sense to both the sides!! I was already waiting... Now m excited too!!

[@sakshamtyagi9652]

What do you mean by "makes sense for both sides"? Why should we have to make sense of it for bigots?

[@gauravmehra5454]

@@sakshamtyagi9652 coz you are not living in a Dreamy Fairy land. It's society, and it cannot be twisted and tweaked just 'coz you're too arrogant and adamant to see the ground realities and complexities of the issue and judgement..

[@sakshamtyagi9652]

@@gauravmehra5454 right yeah using "ground realities" as an excuse to keep treating a whole community as second class citizens. Very democratic.

[@gauravmehra5454]

@@sakshamtyagi9652 lol so you want to ignore everything and get what you want that's all.. You think it's as simple and forward as u assume it to be and these ppl who are watching these arguments and the whole SC process is non sense?? You're like going back to square zero...

[@sakshamtyagi9652]

@@gauravmehra5454 that's not how it is but that's how it should be. We shouldn't have had to wait this long to be given the right to exist with dignity. Imagine being at our place imagine living in a society as a second class citizens even according to the law and when some rights may be given to your community they'd come with sacrifices.

[@lalitjyotiyana908]

Ye to shukar manao ki LGBtq community valo ne education le or itne aye bade ki aaj lawyer doctor engineers bane..... Vrna ye log to education bhi nhi lene dete in bichara ko.....

[@beautifulmind2797]

We want justice & equality 🙏💚💙💛💖💖💚💚💛💜💗💞💟💟💜💛💛💛💚💚💚💛💛💛💚💙💚💙💖💙💚💚💛💜

[@ancientthots]

if majority got to decide everything, today untouchability could still not be illegal or abolished by law. So yes, the court has to decide equal rights over tyranny of the majority

[@sonnynenghoi9372]

@BrutIndia ..Hi Brut India, Im sorry that im gonna have to go off topic, But Can u Please please Cover the Communal Violence happening in Manipur, Churches, Lands, Homes are burnt down and people are killed and all that started in response to a peaceful unarmed Tribal Rally which was only held against the Govt. And not against another community....please help us People are dying in Manipur😭😭🙏🙏🙏

[@JJ-gl3qr]

Sadly I do agree with her however waaaay too many laws are centrex around husband & wife, man &women and just simply replacing them with the term person would bring about a ton of loopholes in the law that may be abused

[@surbhisardana3029]

Goosebumps 🥹

[@SagaramM]

Well put... It's time India legalize the basic rights for every one... Come out of the traditional majority and minority way of resolving an issue... What's right is right... Stand with it.

[@NetJrfEconomics]

Elegance... Elegance... Elegance 😎

[@shrutidixit3337]

Amazing advocate. Lady hats off. ❤❤. More power to you.

[@theeducator8574]

Shame on u I curse u with transgender husband Now cry

[@theeducator8574]

U will not get sex u will cry for a man

[@omshanti1960]

​@@theeducator8574shame on you too 😂 for being evil with lgbt community 😡

[@Aravind-xm7gg]

Todays Hinduism is nothing different from Saffron coloured Islam. These so-called staunch Hindutvavaadis are not much different from Saffron coloured Islamists. Due to centuries of slavery, our minds have become islamic more than we realise. Take for instance, Homosexual marriages. Literally there is not even one single authentic Shastra in Sanatana Dharma which prohibits Homosexual marriages. In fact, we find indirect support to Homosexual behaviour in Kamashastra and others. Yet, todays so-called Hindutvavaadis oppose Homo marriages in the name of religion! These people neither know science, nor Hindu Shastras. Sanatana Dharma is neutral about Homosexuality. It neither encourages it nor admonishes it. Homosexuals have always been a part of our civilization. They always had their life going, without being bothered by the majority Heterosexuals. Yet, today the viewpoint of these so-called Hindutvaavaadis and Islamists are identical. Islam prohibits Homosexuals. Hinduism does not! Period. So, let them have their rights. Let them live life with dignity. Let them prosper too! After all, the favourite scriptural statement of these Hindutvavaadis "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" includes Homosexuals too. Doesn't it?

[@labdhibavishi2430]

Exactly

[@llj500]

It doesn't, sit and seethe cause it won't be passed lmao

[@avinashmaharana8372]

Full power to mam guruswamy

[@advbanu7648]

Kindly recognise same sex marriage my lord

[@NHCVMohammedNawaz]

What a brilliant lawyer she is.

[@jonmartindeiii962]

I think i india should have a female prime minister for ONCE, maybe india will improve drastically. A different mindset and way of thinking instead of someone who's already old and have a mindset of someone from the 20th century...

[@BelugaGuy-ks5mp]

We had a female PM.

[@pratikmitra6070]

I'm a pansexual. My pan cannot have life insurance 😢

[@islamvirodhi3089]

Bang that pan on your head then.

[@aliasuser_]

aagya bewakoof... meet a queer person once before putting this bullshit on the internet hun?

[@sourabh2842]

@@islamvirodhi3089 😛😛

[@paraparnoid113]

Marriage is more about duty than of right in our society, yes a social duty towards the society to be a responsible person towards fellow partner & future of the society/country. Hence when you bind marriage in terms of just "rights" then you currupt the term marriage to lower it to self convince or certificate to just to attain sexual pleasure which it is certainly not. Marriage is pious tradition it can't be allowed to be polluted with LBGTQ+ delusions.

[@krittikabiswas8500]

The way she moves her hands and body reminds me of the witch in Snow white.....😂 But jokes aside, I loved her points !!!!! You go ma'am! You're a hero.

[@thecitybuilder1591]

Ban same sex marriage or are fate is going to be like USA instead of focusing on these issues we should first make our nation developed then only we can talk about these little things

[@HumorOfLife]

This is a part of national development. Without us all growing our outlooks, how can we expect to develop?

[@HumorOfLife]

I also want you to research the list of most developed countries around the world. How many of these don't recognize same sex marriage? None (except Hong Kong, still they allow limited recognition in certain cases.)

[@user20345]

Every issue is important when it comes to life as every life is important…You can’t bypass someone’s struggle for life by saying these are pretty issues

[@SophisticatedArc]

I mean peoples rights do matter

[@thecitybuilder1591]

@@HumorOfLife oh yes listening to those idiots will help us develop there was no such thing like LGBTQ when china,Japan and USA were developing

[@RohitSingh-vo6sq]

Idk what's right or wrong....but she's gonna impress CJI with her hand gestures 😂😂😂❤

[@smoych]

Full support is on the way.. It would take time in this right wing government... But the LGBTQIA+ people will get their rights....

[@parijatgoswami9134]

Supporting Same Sex Marriage