Mending the Great Schism | Crusader Kings III

[@GameGabster]

Hope everyone enjoys the unofficial follow up to Roman Restoration! (You can find it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpu9hGhnatmrh6c)

[@ethanrobinson6016]

GameGabster perhaps make this into a one faith or global conquest achievement - really enjoying this series so far keep it up!

[@urdadisbad4187]

Restore the bloodline

[@tulip5658]

You mended the schism before it even happened

[@culiusjaesar]

True having orthodox and catholic in the 9th century start maybe somewhat lgit for cultural reasons but officially they are all christians

[@MenwithHill]

@@culiusjaesar it's like with evolution, it's pretty much impossible to say where exactly along the line did it stop being variations on the same creed and two different religions entirely.

[@Hiraeth-zq8ze]

Yeah I didn’t understand how the great schism happened until quite recently. It was really just cultural differences that slowly got bigger and bigger. It’s really sad that both sides were too proud to unite.

[@bahaigpt]

@@Hiraeth-zq8ze Today the Catholic and Orthodox "sides" are buddy buddy, "It's ok, our differences don't mean as much as our similarities". Meanwhile there's me: fighting hundreds of years of wars over religion in CK2 and EU4, *wait what....your telling me this isn't important* lol

[@Hiraeth-zq8ze]

Lorenzo Indiogine IDK how many orthodox people you know but as a Catholic I can say that there are still animosities to this day.

[@Kayne-M]

Swedish spain

[@christiansciberras7107]

I can already see the border gore🤣

[@sorceroousoak813]

Cursed

[@SydneyRossPope]

Swedish Pain*

[@sodadrinker89]

El Bork Bork

[@grey3247]

Pain

[@Billy198913]

u can get a lot of piety fighting holy wars - to be more specific winning battles in holy wars gives a lot of piety. A single big battle can give u ~200+ piety alone.

[@MrHat.]

Man, I was soooooo exited to watch part 2, but then I clicked and realized it was a premiere.

[@GameGabster]

Well, it's out now. ;)

[@colm9419]

Yeah hate that

[@Kayne-M]

Restore the imperial borders

[@257joker]

I managed to clinch the Roman Empire december 1452 starting as Tuscany...The Great Schism was too hard for me to do.

[@gumbyshrimp2606]

you have to spend your entire life doing only theology skill tree stuff and buying indulgences. Basically a throwaway emperor with one goal.

[@aonirsplayground6224]

I think the only way to go hellenic is to start at any unreformed religion and simply play tall for.. a lot of time until you get an extremely good heir that can get all those learning perks. The thing about being unreformed and playing tall instead of wide is that you the bigger you get the more suceptible you will become to holy wars and I think even vassals have a negative opinion modifer if unreformed. I used debug mode to test it, and after I converted to hellnism it DIDN'T use my piety at all, it says "cost" but you keep it, wierdly enough... Anyway basically if you want hellenism back I'd say wait for an earlier start date xpac lol, because you need way too much lifetime of playing defensively, but I guess you can spread your dynasty meanwhile... My best bet would probably be a viking making britannia empire and staying there, do some sacrifical stuff for tons of piety on a very young ruler (preferably) then convert, while also making sure you have claims on the holy sites (rome/alexandria are "easy" to get, depends on how the game progresses), get some mercs to take the byz on for athens (if they're strong, assuming they are) and you're set, but all this has to be done very quickly, hence you'd need a genius heir imho for that 30% lifestyle boost to xp, and as many +vassal opinion modifiers as well on top of preferably some dread (which should be easy since everything u execute will have no tyrany penalty once u switch religion). Anyway its EXTRMELY harder to get to convert to a dead religion than in ck2, I hope in the future they add some discounts if you hold holy site of said religion, there's no way you get enough piety as a christian, I had a 40+ learning ruler with (cheated) all learning perks and still only made like 6 piety per month, there's just no way to legit get it done in 1 lifetime.

[@superdestrier9160]

what does playing tall vs. wide mean?

[@aonirsplayground6224]

@@superdestrier9160 Tall meaning your own realm not spreading too far, wide meaning map painting. CK2 is more dynasty based so pushing some one's claim for a foreign throne isn't bad. This isnt exactly EU4. The idea to play tall is to not be too big to suffer constant rebellions and focus only on the learning mostly.

[@Joram647]

As well as building up your infrastructure

[@maxitrx]

You can buy indulgence. Just go to the ecumenical Patriarch

[@GameGabster]

I must have been blind. Thanks for that!

[@Vhailor_Mithras]

I don't know about you guys, but in CK2 I found it easier to mend the schism before creating the Roman Empire - if all the Catholics convert to Orthodoxy then it's simply a matter of requesting vassalization for some of the extra territory you need. The only issue is the Muslim countries declaring a Jihad to get the Levant back from you.

[@christophersalinas2722]

Yeah doing an 867 Byzantines run myself trying to do both. I’m about to mend the schism, I’ll probably die before I reform Rome so that’s something I’ll do a bit later in the play through

[@andynguyen6668]

6:09 When I thought I did good on my test

[@Barl3000]

It seems like the only plausible way is to convert to hellenic pagan, is converting to faiths closer to it, some of those huge penalties was about going into a different "family" of faiths. I hope a future DLC will go more into faiths, since it has a very solid base mechanic with the mixing and matcing of tenets and such. It just take a lot of work to really pull off anything cool with those systems at the moment, since the penalties for converting and reforming can get as ridiculously high as show here, when going to into the old greek pantheon faith.

[@ericlanglois9194]

Patronage of a Holy Order goes to whoever owns the title directly above their primary holding. So if they only have 1 barony or city as a holding, their patron is whoever owns the county that barony or city is in, somehow that county was likely passed on to someone when your character died. Also, Mending the Schism can be done by any christian faith, even custom heresies.

[@Verminator4]

You should try and reclaim the territory that Rome held under Trajan

[@thispleasesthen.u.t.8334]

Rome at it's biggest extent

[@marcusaurelius5068]

I mean Gaul is already basically the Western Empire without Italy as his dynasty is on the throne there

[@Burgermeister1836]

@@marcusaurelius5068 It honestly resembles the split with Julian as Caesar under Constantius II

[@bigbo1764]

That’s a nice schism you got there, would be a shame if I... mended it

[@Tarranga]

You can seek indulgences from the faith head for piety.

[@sorceroousoak813]

Does everyone’s game has horrible border gore? It seems to be that way every single game I have

[@skavanagh2778]

it's a paradox game lol

[@jonathanredacted3245]

Wait for the patches and the overhaul mods, it will make it... less repugnant

[@aq8048]

yeah my biggest complain is the border gore. Im still enjoying this game a lot.

[@lacku2677]

thats how the crusader kings series works. There's never a time without border gore.

[@GundamGokuTV]

You new here?

[@vernomify]

can you build temples and destroy them and build them again to get piety?

[@stuka_blyat1574]

Pretty sure you lose a devotion level every time you revoke a temple

[@MarioPedroPinto]

The caliph sent you that carpet because he was plotting to kill you

[@apexmoon6912]

Norse + Asatru + Cynical + Scholar discount = 250 piety for Hellenism.

[@GameGabster]

Not when the game was released. See my crazy hellenic video from that time.

[@DrewHelander]

The glory of ikea has spread.

[@gumbyshrimp2606]

The most difficult part is getting 5000 piety

[@Billy198913]

u can get a lot of piety fighting holy wars - to be more specific winning battles in holy wars gives a lot of piety. A single big battle can give u ~200+ piety alone.

[@gumbyshrimp2606]

Billy198913 I always lose more piety than I gain in holy wars. Never make any money from them either

[@GundamGokuTV]

My guess is if you want to be Hellenic you have to start as a Pagan faith then convert to Hellenic.

[@docnite8791]

You should make this a series it so good

[@Makem12]

I hope it can mended the opposite way. Historically, that was closer to happening.

[@tristanhaller8399]

You can do it as any Christian faith with Ecumenism. I'm trying to get there with my Waldensian Roman Empire, but that's a *lot* of Piety to get without pilgrimages or indulgences.

[@comicsans1689]

I agree, bringing the schismatics back under the Roman Catholic church is the best possible ending.

[@hewchy]

if you can restore the roman empire and restore hellinism you will get so many views. no one has done it on youtube yet

[@tonylittle9096]

I managed to cut the cost of going to hellenism in half. Any luck on your end?

[@robertketcham3672]

You should make exact Roman borders

[@nemosvensson7085]

please make this a series.

[@thekingp2797]

i kinda dont like in ck3 that for some reason vikings take everything, the border gore is so bad... i have never had that on the 1066 startdate tho, like i get that the vikings settled many lands and such.... but sweden always conquers everything in my games, in this game that also seems to happen

[@greas1233]

The problem is that those vikings formed their own kingdoms separate from the ones in Scandinavia which is something that CK doesn't take into account and as such those lands remain under the control of whoever conquered them however in a gameplay perspective it makes sense, if you conquer some land and then after you die it becomes independent it would make playing a viking kinda pointless and if the player is allowed to keep those lands than why shouldn't the AI be as well?

[@laylen245]

i dont know how you did this ive restored the roman borders infact i have increased them and i still cant get Constantinople to tick of the list no idea why i have more land then you do

[@GameGabster]

You have to convert it to the right religion.

[@laylen245]

​@@GameGabster hmmm im catholic you think that would be enough if i change my faith im sure bad things will happen but i will give it ago

[@GameGabster]

I meant the provinces

[@nathan_tehe]

Does anyone know what the special building in Attica is? Do you need to have the Hellenistic faith?

[@troykanotz626]

Can you try Kushite Egypt?

[@saladbruh2625]

2:45 How did serbia get so Thicc bruh

[@ahmedday8]

Serbia forming Yugoslavia before it was cool 😂

[@hattrick3090]

Just start as a Hellenic county like a real sigma

[@GameGabster]

These CK3 videos are from before characters were customisable.

[@HavanaSyndrome69]

Please save spain!

[@tynko96]

Please help or hint anyone. My rival's spymaster (neighbouring king) uncovered secret that my heir is illegitimate and now he has disputed heritage fame trait. I have imprisoned and tortured supposed lover (also murdered all of his children and destroyed his house) of my wife (which is my soulmate and also shy) as well as my wife (tourtured her also) to uncover nothing of the sort. I used my spymaster (18 iintrigue) to uncover secrets for 5 years and i never foud out if my heir is bastard. Could he be bastard or am i being paranoid and tricked? I am ailing (61 years old) and hard question now is are all of my 3 sons bastards or just the first one (she got pregnant just one or two months before we became soulmates) or should i denounce just the first one ( disputed heritage one) and disherit the second one.

[@brandonmil224]

Sounds like you got duped mate.

[@GameGabster]

Is it really important to know? You could just pretend it's yours.

[@tynko96]

GameGabster my liniage is everything. I even gave my firstborn first name of my dynasty

[@navalends8968]

@@tynko96 Are you by chance have saved before this? Of course by reloading so will impact the feeling of roleplayness, but if you're dead set on the Dynasty focus, might as well do it.

[@sorceroousoak813]

Your character got cucked without a doubt

[@McDudes]

lol Sweden is going crazy here

[@gabriilgabriilidis1186]

well, this is Greek empire

[@kennymolloy9817]

Bruh I just got a ck3 ad right now wtf?

[@501lilspoon]

cool video 👍🏽😎

[@Prigozhyn227]

I am a newbie in ck3 and I losing my territory left and right as a Byzantine Emperor 😭

[@sirfrancisgaming9438]

I would recommend starting small, it’s easier to maintain your realm and once you get big it won’t be as hard to maintain because you will have had time building your empire instead of jumping in to someone else’s.

[@Prigozhyn227]

@@sirfrancisgaming9438 Yep that is what I was thinking

[@sirfrancisgaming9438]

@@Prigozhyn227 i started as a small count and now i am the emperor of Italia with like 280 counties in it and it is the most fun campaign I've had in a long while. The most difficult part about ruling such a big place is when succession happens many of the vassals wont like you're new character right away and many might try to seize the opportunity and revolt.

[@Prigozhyn227]

@@sirfrancisgaming9438 I started a heir to Byzantine emperor. I searched for some help in the morning and I got my hands on console cheats. Hopefully I might save my empire now as a trainee.. later might try without cheatcodes.

[@sirfrancisgaming9438]

@@Prigozhyn227 oh no you've made the biggest mistake of all, once you go cheat you can never go back. CK3 is also most enjoyable when playing ironman mode and when you fail you don't go back to fix the mistake but you live and learn instead.

[@sickre]

World conquest next

[@bosniencommie1202]

Make part 3 and bicam helenic

[@aloncorp]

Do Mare Nostrum

[@adrian7856]

The Armenian Apostolic and the Coptic are not even part of the Great Schism... Idk why Paradox made Christianity so weird and inaccurate in this game

[@BLANK-kq8wv]

Can you become roman in CK3?

[@CameronAB122]

You can’t yet

[@j.i.709]

You mean Latin culture instead of greek? That would be really nice👍🏼 I just imagined right now, it would be cool to start in Latium next to rome as a vassal from the pope and u need to try to conquer rome and usurp the title becoming pontifex maximus again, like the old emperors. Reconquista from then on :) Edit: A chance for conversion to, or automatically created faith by getting rome, u would also have the doctrines to keep temple holdings for yourself and pray to the old roman pantheon

[@Interesting1444]

It's the Byzantine Empire and it isn't any more Rome it's Greece

[@GameGabster]

Justinian disagrees.

[@Manuel-qu3tc]

The Palatini unit is said to be unique to Roman culture. HOW the fuck do you form Roman culture though? the unit is probably the best heavy infantry in the game. WTF is paradox doing?

[@celestialweaver8460]

If only this was real ;-;

[@minhngo9970]

IF ONLY THE ROMAN EMPIRE MADE A COMEBACK LIKE THIS

[@zacplaysleague5868]

R u single?

[@Keyhan-c8c]

This game doesn’t respect history with the art. Not at all.