All Smartphones Will Soon Have Removable Batteries

In this video I discuss how the EU has recently passed legislation that will require smart phone manufacturers to build phones with user removeable batteries that a regular user could remove without any special tools.
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[@SpaceCadetKitty]

We all know that Apple is going to try to hardware lock their phones so you can only use batteries they sell for $599.99

[@progenitor_amborella]

At least the bill says they must be easily replaceable - without proprietary tools.

[@colbzyk2128]

they tried to do this shit when the EU said that every phone has to use USB-C. They were working on proprietary software to only use fast charging with their charges even though it can be done with any cable. The EU said that wasn't allowed.

[@memesfromdeepspace1075]

Well........they do with lcd screen they don't try ...they Will do it

[@spl420]

"Software shall not be used to impede the replacement of a portable battery or LMT battery, or of their key components, with another compatible battery or key components." From text adopted by Parliament

[@Jason-se6dh]

It’s 80$ lol

[@keelanbrown7747]

Remember, switching to your secondary battery is always faster than recharging.

[@zinnahsayarmahmud]

😂 cod reference nice one

[@kornaros96]

True that.

[@RossGoneRogue]

Your battery swapping skills are remarkable!

[@onex0064]

I thought about shield swapping in apex but this reference is better

[@Kommanderabdulghani]

Yeah back to old days, we can open and change batteries, if phone hang just open the baterry and restart. 😂😂

[@Levi-hs6mg]

The biggest thing keeping me from keeping a phone for years and years is the fact updates usually stop coming way before the phone hardware is ready to retire

[@GaryHarrington71]

That will change too.

[@aaltag4068]

The main thing is that you would be able to just swap your battery after 2-3 years instead of needing to get a new phone

[@michuXYZ]

EU made it's way from banning memes to literally uniting smartphone community by making everyone use type C outlet, and coming back to great tradition of swapping batteries What a great character developement

[@Richard_375]

Mad respect for EU FOR this because governments of our countries just being bribed by companies and they just shut of

[@samuelcalkin3516]

Water proof phones are exempt from the removable battery requirement, so most flagship phones will not have removable batteries

[@Dr_Hax]

​@@samuelcalkin3516even though water proof smartphones can have removable batteries

[@Dr_Hax]

i remember the article 13 thing but apparently it was a bit overblown by the public, that thing seems to not be directed at users or users' content but only some companies

[@baph0met]

That's a myth. And it's terrifying people believe that. It was literally a joke, that the market decided on the C port all by themselves and the EU came long after, the joke was that after 10 years EU will claim it was thanks to them, it wasn't lmao.

[@absolutelyproprietary6896]

I love EU's new consumer friendly regulations I wish they push it harder in the future

[@HyperMario64]

Since the beginning they always have been doing that, but yeah there have been recent acts which the end-user immediately notices. They attempt to act in the people's best interest at least. That's not so obvious for smaller parties as governments while they should do the same. I think the large bargaining power is what makes it possible. The US could do the same but they are too ideologically attached to the wild free market and being corrupt in general.

[@FlagerMiszcz]

dont get fooled by things like that. they are toxic and anti-human or rather anti-individual

[@yohok5]

​@@FlagerMiszczHow so? Could you give examples?

[@matheussanthiago9685]

​​@@yohok5robably something on the lines of "mU FrEeDoM tO BeaaR Ar-15"

[@zagreus5773]

@@yohok5 Don't expect a rational answer from someone that claims the EU is "anti-human".

[@Cookie__XD]

Don't forget that smartphone obsolescence mainly stems from the OS not getting updates anymore and therefore missing new features (&security risks)

[@rgerber]

those missing features & "security" updates are nearly meaningless. A working system should run for years. I still have a totally outdated Windows 10 (version 1809)

[@cultistaautista]

It's the old environments being torn apart by the updates themselves to their components that get progressively less and less compatible with each other as you update some and leave others behind. Most phones work well when you factory reset them and abstain from updating software wothout total necessity.

[@tylerlogsdon8623]

most games require newer versions anymore lol@@rgerber

[@Stoynov666]

updates are shit mate

[@Suicidekings_]

The LG G5 tactical reload battery was my absolute favorite. I wish they still made phones.

[@Danominator]

Cant wait to see how the manufacturers work around this. Probably gonna make it so putting a third-party battery in your phone murders it or something.

[@cazek445]

Pretty sure this is already illegal in EU not sure though

[@jmtradbr]

Is only illegal if you get caught, just like Volkswagen.

[@Danominator]

@@cazek445 They could make it more subtle. Like, limiting the maximum charge because the battery isn't "genuine". Even printers will reject third-party cartridges in today's age. Anything can be programmed to disappoint I'm afraid...

[@Wampa842]

The charging cable regulation specifically prohibits throttling third-party cables and chargers, this one probably has a similar part too.

[@23345star]

They'll probably do this but then never offer replacement batteries. "Yeah sure we'll make replaceable batteries but have fun with Xiaoing brand if it goes out."

[@couldntthinkofayoutubename6498]

Nothing but respect for the eu standing up to big corporations

[@mostsincerlypleasestoplook5025]

Indeed

[@nixda36]

Lol

[@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese]

This isn't standing up. EU is controlled by financial services

[@youreokayboah2128]

@@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese Everything is controlled by money buddy.

[@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese]

@@youreokayboah2128 Finance, not money. Money is just a tool, like a drill or a weapon. It is the individual who operates the tool or the individuals who are operating the tool who must be examined. These issues cannot be addressed by personifing the tool or a casual reduction fallacy.

[@rpcheesman]

Those power banks kind of existed back in the day. There were extended capacity packs that did alter the shape/size/weight of the phone but would run for several hours or even a day more. I can imagine power bank makers just retooling these into shaped packs to fit mobile phone models.

[@cultistaautista]

There are power banks which are made as a case in which you put your own battery cells yourself. These and the "power bank phone-cases" still exist now. The only issue that the battery cells themsevles are extremely hard to ship for a good price, possibly due to lobbied obstructive measures.

[@GeeEee75]

But why would you need that if you could just replace your battery whenever needed. What would be useful is a charger for the spare battery, so that the spare can be charged while the other battery is inside your phone.

[@GideonTheChaddite]

A good method that I found to keeping older phones in a case was to get a more rubber / silicone based one that had some flexibility and put some layers of printing paper in the back for extra padding. Lot less issues that way at least personally. A little DIY can go a long way.

[@kiskispass9821]

I'm pretty sure that removable batteries have saved someone's life at least once in the past two decades.

[@Thevol40k]

From the law too.

[@SithlordSigma]

@@Thevol40k based

[@valletas]

Saved mine a lot of times due to old samsung phones destroying batteries after a few months

[@speedyd8150]

​@@Thevol40kMy old heroin dealer used to make me take the battery out of my phone for the first month I started buying dope from him 😂

[@nayutakani2055]

I'm sure they've also fucked someone over as well.

[@Big1nz]

Features removed a decade ago only coming back because manufacturers are forced to by regulation. Thank you EU. May they keep pushing in this directions including right to repair.

[@the_expidition427]

Right to repair

[@rudysmith1552]

Sadly the eu word isn't law around the world. They're still the other 85% of the economy.

[@TheSpecialJ11]

Gosh, and the BS reasons they gave for removing these features. The young Zoomers don't understand the glory days of bringing a spare battery on the long field trip bus ride to swap out the battery after yours ran out playing Subway Surfers.

[@CrittingOut]

I think apple astroturfed it out of the market. I remember a mocking point for android was "the battery will fall out" or similar. Funny enough it's incredibly useful to be able to remove them.

[@CrittingOut]

@@TheSpecialJ11 Amusingly they would mock you for having a phone that has a removable battery.

[@MertKaanAkdag]

9:56 onwards is my favorite part of this video LOL. I also agree with every part of it except camera. Those different cameras have different features like one of them being macro, making you able to take very close up photos. It was useful when a tick bit my sister and I made sure it wasn't a pimple or something.

[@ThorsMartell]

Actually I strongly support this! The only downside: I am a great fan of outdoor/waterproof phones. However, if the phone lid can be completely taken of, that makes it harder to build a phone that's water proof. On the other hand: Since outdoor phone like the Ulefone Armor X10 are physically indistructable, a changable battery is the only thing missing to extend the phone's lifespan to... very long. 10 years?

[@entropy2002]

There is a spray that inexpensively can make a phone waterproof - helping the phone become more waterproof was just a strawman argument that didn't hold water (no pun intended).

[@milkyway5573]

The Galaxy S5 managed to be waterproof AND have a replaceable battery It is possibleto have waterproof phones with removable batteries

[@NeovanGoth]

No worries, the EU regulation has a lot of exceptions built in, so you probably won't see many phones with removable battery behind a simple cover anyway. It's just all those news outlet parroting each other without actually checking.

[@oo--7714]

Wash fully waterproof and disproof @@milkyway5573

[@cultistaautista]

It won't be much harder. The lid would have to be designed properly, clamp on firmly and have a simple rubber seal. That's literally it. Just look at any food container with an airtight lid, not complicated at all.

[@Rr0gu3_5uture]

Personally, I think that in the near future, all tech needs to be as flexible, modular, user serviceable, and non-proprietary as possible. If there are worldwide enforceable regulations it'll mean that manufacturers will need to up their aesthetics/ergonomics game and be as creative as possible in order to make their products unique and appealing to consumers.

[@imstupidbut]

tech becomes obsolete quickly, realistically very few people will repair their phone or replace their battery, just buy a new phone

[@thebcwonder4850]

@@imstupidbut maybe a decade ago, but nowadays, I wouldn't be too sure. My GPU was low-end when I bought it 4 years ago, but I only had to replace it because AMD cut software support

[@paxtoncargill4661]

​@@imstupidbutit becomes obsolete so quickly because they're not user serviceable

[@everestshadow]

Modern electronics design is all about short term consumption. They want you to keep buying and incompatibility is one of the most effect way to force it upon you.

[@noice5239]

@@imstupidbut The only reason I, personally, would buy a new phone is if it stops working. And usually, the first thing that makes it unusable is the battery.

[@MoteofVolition]

This needs to happen! Such a backwards step when phones went to non-removable batteries. It will extend the life of phones by so much. No throwing away after 2 years.

[@AJ12Gamer]

Except that you won't get security updates beyond the end of life of the device.

[@starsareangels7]

my lgv20 was awesome i had extra removable batteries and instead of charging i would have one charged fully from a dock and just swap it in and bang you got yourself a camping trip without needing the portable batteries

[@GregorianMG]

​@@AJ12GamerYou can just install the new OS in that case though

[@NicoKyunKyun]

​@@AJ12Gamerthere is no such thing as security update😂, they're just adding more and more feature to bloat the device and makes it slower to use, and makes you think you need a new phone

[@faleilham8334]

I miss my Asus Zenfone 4 gen 1.

[@I-Maser]

10:20 funny how your EU speaks in an German accent

[@jondo7680]

I like replaceable batteries but adding that mechanism will cost space which could be used for more hardware or a bigger battery. Also with all this different quick charge technologies I'm not sure if you could use any other battery to benefit from them. And if you need to buy a battery from the manufacturer to make use of it, it won't be cheap.

[@vauhner81]

Don't forget how the removable battery and cover act as a crumple zone to relieve shock when you drop the phone. Removable battery phones rarely broke when dropping them. The energy was released by launching the cover and battery across the room. :-)

[@luizhp]

My tv remote control has this feat and it's incredible how the cover can hide behind the couch in an lapse of second. 😅

[@ImmortalChanger]

I have three old Samsung Galaxy phones with removable batteries which I've dropped more times than I can count, and nothing happened to them. So I agree.

[@MkOne001]

Yes!! my first Galaxy Note was dropped from a balcony, about 8 meters on concrete. Inserted the battery, worked as always, screen perfect with no glass protector. 🖤

[@zhanucong4614]

if somthing dosent shake it will break

[@driden1987]

I had an S2 back in the day (my only Android phone btw) and I totally remember that happening to me aswell. It was awesome

[@micmacha]

As an American, I'm actually very thankful for moves like this from the EU. They affect the world globally, and aid us in addressing many of these issues with privacy practices and electronic waste disposal in the US, too.

[@Jungfrun1]

​@@SavageDiarrhea2447how so? EU privacy laws is pretty extensive. An easy example would be a citizens ability to block certain Google search results that relates to them. Which is why you see at the bottom a message telling you how many results have been hidden. Another would be cookie laws.

[@potatofuryy]

⁠@@SavageDiarrhea2447 The EU has some of the best laws around data protection and privacy.

[@jenstrudenau9134]

The EU is a very big and very bad organization. They do a lot of surveillance and regulate the shit out of everything. It's not good and this one thing is nothing to be thankful for in this context

[@MrRemi6464]

@@SavageDiarrhea2447 says the guy who works in the CIA

[@irakatski]

Don’t ever thank the EU.

[@implozia1360]

I love this! Had no idea about the battery swap thingy so I'd love to try that myself! I don't care much for water resistance since I will prob's case my phone up (preferably with one of those "cell" or 2 piece case that is front and back). I already am imagining Apple being stingy as crap while Chinese manufacturers already will include a spare battery with every phone purchase. I also like the enviromental conciousness of the choice too. A removable battery will drop the fire hazardness that can happen with inflated batteries like with the Samsung recalls we had a long while back and whatnot.

[@KingOfRedPlays]

I'd like to see little charging adapters for spare batteries! Like how you get for a camera battery, just plug it in to a little plastic device that connects to a USB port and charges it up while you use your other battery to keep running the thing you want to use. Charge and use at the same time without any tether. I get this "feature" with my actually cheap and old camera, I want it on my phone, too!

[@GeeEee75]

Yes. Just commented in response to another post that this would be a useful tool to have on hand. Kinda like the charger that came with my power-drill, which has a swappable battery.

[@wmentzer58]

Like you'd have for a camera battery. I have that on my Sony camera. YES...

[@KingOfRedPlays]

@@wmentzer58 Exactly, and this needs to happen with phones. Drills have it, lawn mowers have it, laptops have it, cameras have it, even scooters have it to a degree, it shouldn't be different for phones and tablets.

[@jeffreybensinger4668]

I liked it when phones had removable batteries. It gave me a sense of control when the phone would ever act weird. Having a force stop option with a dissuading pop-up every time isn't quite the same.

[@borisso3465]

Exactly! My iPhone freezed once and all I could do is to wait until the battery drained, felt really weird.

[@jeffreybensinger4668]

Over 100 likes? Wow

[@VORASTRA]

​@@borisso3465it's weird, there was always a way around to restart your phone. For example, holding power button.

[@keeprollin9911]

​@@borisso3465yeah when i got my second phone i was so confused what to do if the phone stopped working (happened to my first one a _lot_ ) But thankfully my second phone is still working fine to this day and just restarts itself when there's any trouble. ✓

[@alexanderdunkel711]

@@borisso3465there is a hard switch off, i genuinely thought i had to do that too but if you hold the power button long, like really, really long, it does a hard shutoff no matter how frozen it is

[@balloonpark]

Never forget that the samsung galaxy s5 released in 2014 had a removable battery and was IP67 dust/water resistant.

[@Liv1ngTheDream]

They still make an XCover to mil spec with a removable battery.

[@voxelfusion9894]

Not to forget the 3.5mm jack and micro sd card slot! That was a nice phone.

[@j00500hall]

The back of the case of my phone (s5) was flimsy and often come off. Once it come off and my mini SD card came out too and I never found it. Lost 2 years worth of my pictures including 2 children. So very sad. These days I have auto back up to google photos just incase.

[@R3TR0R4V3]

And it has an IR blaster! I still have mine. Great phone. 👍

[@Arik_Cool]

It had a flimsy charge port cover that would snap off in most units

[@oscarfilms9375]

Haha. Thanks for the funny ending. Made the whole video great. I needed that laugh!

[@FirstLast-vr7es]

At least SOMEBODY'S government is standing up for them. Maybe we can have that some day here in the US...

[@O___P]

One important privacy consideration: You can now actually, definitely disable your phone while still having it on you, even if you didn't go for one with hardware switches. If you don't want big brother to be watching, pop out the battery.

[@walkingcontradiction223]

They pop in a capacitor or something for that, don't worry.

[@fotoschopro1230]

They have onboard batteries anyways.

[@rumfordc]

@@fotoschopro1230 while this is true, those batteries have to run out of juice eventually. but the best way to stop big brother from watching is to not bring your phone.

[@shapelessed]

@@walkingcontradiction223 A capacitor the size you can easily fit in a phone will only last it for a few seconds, possibly to dump the drive's cache.

[@Yates__]

But have a faraday cage just in case

[@user-ki8zf1rp1e]

I hope we, the consumers, get a win. It'd be a shame if phones implement removable batteries just to have replacements blocked by DRM

[@concertmaster]

I don't think we will get a win, the power imbalance between producers and us, the consumers, will always make us lose, so DRM or some other caveat it is

[@aqyx]

phone batteries already have DRM, chargers too

[@justayoutuber1906]

And OEM batts cost $700

[@MrTomyCJ]

@@concertmaster says the consumer, holding in his hands a device that 10 years ago would've been black magic.

[@whannabi]

​@@MrTomyCJ at what cost

[@sarajuanaict]

I used to have a gingerbread slide out keyboard android phone from the old days and i loved it! It was tiny and slow and had terrible battery life but i had 3 batteries and an external charger so i never had any trouble with keeping it charged... Plus that bonus of if it acts up i could just pop the battery out for a minute to quickly reboot it

[@SirAroace]

This will have the knock on effect of making it easier to get safely into the guts of the phone; and if people get use to that they start pushing for other parts to be more replaceable.

[@SkylineFTW97]

Good.

[@Obamium_]

With regards to water resistance, the Samsung Galaxy S5 had a removable battery, whilst still having an IP67 water resistance rating. It's likely that there won't need to be a trade-off, unless manufacturers purposefully want to make their phones more brittle to regain their lost sales revenue.

[@chumanho]

Unlike IP68 phones, the S5 is water resistant, not waterproof. Try googling "The truth about the Galaxy S5 IP67 Water Resistant Certification"

[@dayko.]

@@chumanho IP68 phones are not waterproof either. Yes they can stay underwater for some time but certainly not forever. Waterproof means forever so they are still only water resistant.

[@chumanho]

@@dayko. I doubt any people need their phones to be able to be immersed in water forever, it's just that IP68 phones can be immersed in a greater depth for a longer period of time than IP67 phones.

[@Anton-rr9kw]

Nobody should be scubadiving with their phone. Obviously your phone shouldn't get damaged by exposure to water droplets like when it rains. Maybe if people drop their phones in a lake by accident, it would be nice if they could retrieve them without damage in ~15min or smth. But tbh I would take removable battery over submerged water-resistance anyday. Never dropped my phone in a lake and never will.

[@chumanho]

@@Anton-rr9kw I live on an island and have to take a ferry every time I need to go to the city. Shipwrecks have happened before, and I definitely want my phone to function when I need it the most. Replaceable battery, to me OTOH, is not a life and death situation.

[@theglowpt3]

Hope this really does happen, but it feels too good to be true. I feel like there will be some loophole to make it impractical to switch batteries while still making them technically "removable"

[@SithlordSigma]

soldered batteries lmao. its "removable", technically.

[@mr.zer0773]

The batteries will explode after four charges and will cost 20$ each. Why? For the heckin' environment 👉👈

[@DruidEnjoyer]

EU tends to go pretty hard on corporations. Not because of any heroic virtue or anything, but because they see corporations as a legitimate threat to their power. Corporate lobby just isn't as powerful in EU as it's in US. Consumer benefits are more of a collateral coincidence than EU being actually based. They are senile bureaucrats deadly afraid of corporations taking away their power, and sometimes regular people benefit from this feud.

[@walkingcontradiction223]

​@@DruidEnjoyerCorrect, it's a weird by-product of the government wanting total control.

[@nobodynever7884]

​@@mr.zer0773I pour a gallon of diesel in a nearby creek whenever I read the word environment.

[@ryanrodriguez1234]

Governments should be for people not for profit. This is a great example of government doing it right!

[@entropy2002]

Great idea!!! Many/most EU regulations are mindlessly stupid, but I REALLY think this is a great idea. I also really liked when they forced the phone manufacturers to standardize chargers (10 - 15 years ago) - what a GREAT STEP FORWARD that was! Ten points for that one!

[@thealexanderbond]

This is only for the EU though, so the rest of the world will probably get the same old phones.

[@entropy2002]

@@thealexanderbond You may very well be right, but when EU required the standardized chargers, that change was made around the world - so we can at least hope.

[@papabear1714]

in the name of christ, command whatever posesses this person to be cast back into the pit, amen

[@ArariaKAgelessTraveller]

EU market is something that can't be ignored, because the big portion of developed country in the world are part of EU

[@MikeBenko]

@@entropy2002 It's called "The Brussels Effect", it's a long standing phenomenon where EU standards quickly become global standards. Not just because of the weight of the EU market itself, but because of the greater European Economic Area (which extends into North Africa, parts of Latin America and even Asia), EEA countries always align their standards with the EU. Also...The "EU regulations are mindlessly stupid" is literally you just buying into Brexit style nationalist or regulatory propaganda. I have yet to actually see a SINGLE EU regulation that wouldn't make 100% sense as soon you scratched the surface behind the talking points a bit.

[@Fedreal_Bureau_Of_Investigaton]

You forgot one important thing: you can be sure your phone it's off when you remove the battery. Also by the battery not being connected to the pins it doesn't drain at all compared to the phone when it's off, for emergency situations

[@todaybuycheapsellhigh8072]

i didn't knew u can't remove batteries on some phones, lol. i would use those only if they were gifted,i would never pay for such things, lol. wonder how companies scammed ppl to pay for that

[@MrRock-rc6le]

​@@todaybuycheapsellhigh8072I mean....you could just recharge them with batteries charges or just charge your phone > swap batteries > charge again to always have a reserve batterie

[@todaybuycheapsellhigh8072]

thats what i did @@MrRock-rc6le

[@essef.]

Nope. They can be fully active without a battery but appear inactive.

[@davidca96]

​@@essef.That makes no sense, you cant power the motherboard without DC power, from the battery. With no battery, the board isnt powered so what are you referring to, a hidden battery?

[@windlink1236]

Lets not forget that Galaxy S5 was waterproof, but still had removable battery. Also Samsung still manufactures Xcover models with removable batteries and dirt/water proof.

[@alexderpyracc4053]

Yes

[@wilkinru]

Written on a xcover pro 6

[@LarsaXL]

So the only real reason for unremovable batteries is a lie... figures.

[@-jg9pi]

The S5 felt really cheap compared to other flagships like the Xperia Z3 or the iPhone 6. There was a reason they went for glass backs in the S6. And the waterproofing is only as long as the cover is on, so if the cover pops out on impact the ip rating doesn't matter anymore.

[@rhuttrho88]

​@@LarsaXLNope government spying!🕵️‍♀️ 🕵️‍♂️ You can't remove the battery. At this point they can remotely power on your phone.

[@SHUBHAM-eh2vb]

I wish they apply this worldwide in every phone ♥️

[@Exodius3]

It could happen, as products often just adapt their phones for the EU law and then sell them world wide to make the management less complicated. All hail the EU!

[@polymorphesquirrel]

Water-resistant phones (I am not counting special rugged phones) were always a thing. I was buying WP phones before smartphones. And that was with snap-on back panels. If you opt for screwing in a backplate, you can include gaskets and easily get 100 m water resistance and more. Digital Casio watches from the 90s and before had easily replaceable batteries. It's hardly a hot swap solution, more of a 'replace used up battery' case, but as a backup, or if you are going to travel far from electricity (like in my case), it would still work. That is an overkill, but likely some sort of intermediate approach would also be possible, like having a circle cut out separate from the rest of the back panel and working as a screw itself as in most mechanical watches. But yeah, even a snap on panel is enough to reach 'dropped it in the toilet' level of waterproofing.

[@istyleonu]

Another pro of having a removable back is that it makes the phone less prone to breaking when dropped. The back case popping off when your phone hits the ground disperses alot of energy and reduces the impact on your screen.

[@kainhall]

yup.... i fully believe that is the case

[@andguy]

@@kainhallhaha idk if the joke was intentional or not but either way it made me smile :)

[@ClaytonTheCracker]

Problem is the worst thing isn't your screen getting damaged, it's the interior workings getting broken that really screws you over, ain't no way that doesn't stop it from slowing down

[@dutchcrepe]

@@kainhall ;)

[@SilentShiba]

No bro, technology can change over time. Last thing I want is more red tape from the govt when it's not strictly necessary. The battery thing was getting quite wasteful, but 9mm jack is not like a fundamental aspect of audio reproduction

[@besteirolnerd2615]

I'm not european and I def don't live anywhere even close to europe, but still I'm so proud of the EU's latest decisions...first, they make it legally difficult for big data vultures like Meta/Facebook to breach your privacy, now they make the tech market healthier for the consumer. Congrats from Brazil, EU!!

[@cesruhf2605]

no hate but us europeans are scared of brasil

[@apsdev]

Yeahr .. but now meta has blocked their threads (twitter like) app in europe because of privacy laws. Lots of sites of american newspapers cant be reached from europe because of european laws. What if phone makers say we are not going to export anymore to europe. Like apple needs to add a usb port and removeable battery. And each time i come on a new website i need to click some cookie popups away because of european laws. Also if they cant target ads on people anymore on youtube they might have to show 3 times the number of ads to make the same amount of money to be able to pay for harddisks and servers to store video. Often the people who make these laws seem to be clueless about the subject like with the cookie law, they should have asked do you want to be tracked instead of do you want cookies, as cookies are usefull for things like preferred language or currency. And with the usb port on phones .. they call it a charge port. But on iphone it is really a docking port, as with it you can also connect the phone to a dock with speakers or video and other things. Maybe they should have said a phone needs a usb port OR a wireless charging option .. the coils all phones have in the back now. Which might also make it easier to charge in public places.

[@bigruapurart]

@@apsdev What? Manufacturers wont leave the EU because of laws like this or most others. They would lose a substantial chunk of the market if they did. What are you going on about?

[@bertvansas7206]

@@apsdev I don't know what you're saying, but the EU is the largest importer of apple products and Samsung phones. The goal is not completely focused on the convenience of the consumer or the companies to stop selling their products in Europe but to stop the monopoly, they ensure that the market no longer differs and evolves. The EU wants to stimulate competition and that is only possible if other companies can participate, which will lead to more innovation.

[@abeldias3616]

​@@cesruhf2605unless youre portuguese

[@JMgamerZzz]

I think using some kind of slidable notch providing leverage to press (or rather pull) a cover tightly on a form of gasket should be able to create a water tight seal and beat the issue of covers releasing easily when dropping the phone.

[@Blackbirdone11]

You dont need to reinvent the wheel even samsung sells waterproof. Phones with removable batteries. But not in the us or eu. They know how to do it but dont want to. Thats it. There is no limitstion or technical feature to embedded it. With today glass and aluminium phones its much easier than with the plastic back then to seal it without issues. (99% of phones are not watertide anyway) they made to stay alive if you drop them into water for a short duration.

[@adamkrawczyk9261]

well loiss rossman actually brought up valid points on some of the cope that the cooperations have said about "water resistance", there already were phones with removable battery which were fully water proof, and there are still some of them being made

[@seafighter4]

From what I heard, this also affect handheld consoles like the SteamDeck. A neat reminder that laws really can be made to help the people.

[@eclipsek0]

Valve likes to be consumer friendly until they have to be friendly to the consumer

[@_dibbs]

@@eclipsek0 holy shit so true

[@adamthompson626]

Its sad that laws rarely help people these days. It is nice to see.

[@augustday9483]

@@eclipsek0 I'm not exactly sure what you're implying with this comment. As far as I've seen, Valve has been very pro-consumer and pro-right-to-repair with their Steam Deck. You can buy replacement parts for it off the shelf, the board inside has an NVME slot for people who want to upgrade it with more storage space, and they even uploaded a video showing how to take it apart to swap parts.

[@samuelmatheson9655]

@@eclipsek0 for the steamdeck its not that bad, because the parts arent glued in with gorilla glue, and it supports power delivery so its fine

[@bahamut256]

I used to carry around a stack of 5 batteries in a little plastic case, very similar to those 3DS cartridge cases. Driving through outback Australia without spare batteries was and still is tantamount to suicide.

[@sharniek002]

Don't most roads in the outback have no reception though... unless you're talking about a satellite phone?

[@aussiegruber86]

​@@sharniek002 it's getting pretty good up the middle, there are still times you go for hours without reception

[@coler154]

cant you use a solar panel or thermal generator?

[@raiisleep]

​@@coler154You can but would you rather be out there for 6 hours if your car breaks down waiting for the solar battery to charge

[@glaze_tpf9791]

​@@aussiegruber86theres sections on the bruce and peak downs highway that are deadzones for 60%+ of the journey. I swear they are getting worse

[@sunburst6598]

This is awesome. No more cautiously using my phone in fear of wrecking the battery long-term.

[@doctordothraki4378]

I remember having a Moto Z Play (late 2016 to early 2020). Although it had no removable battery in the normal sense, it *did* have external hot-swappable batteries thanks to the Moto Mods system. IMO, that is as good as replaceable internal batteries. Plus the phone was made thicker to allow a bigger internal battery.

[@dank6554]

Small power banks aren't going anywhere unless all smartphone batteries are standardized. If you have multiple battery powered devices, it's much more convenient to have one charging bank for everything rather than carry 5 different batteries for each device.

[@cferracini]

but the point of having removable batteries is to extend the phone's life since batteries are usually the first thing to die in an electronic.

[@Roxor128]

THIS! Huge oversight on the part of the video author there.

[@gigaslave]

Or the powerbank is also used for other devices like my old 3DS.

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

Dude. That end. 😂. What did you smoke?

[@madbruv]

charge for time or swap in no time, what is better

[@Vordigon1]

For the very few that have never seen a waterproof watch before that has replaceable batteries, or any older phone that had water resistance. The way you can ensure water resistance is kept was adding a rubber ring around the edges of the back that kept the insides airtight after the back was snapped /screwed on back and it was wonderful.

[@mallmann72]

I used to have a low range Motorola that had both a removable battery AND water resistance.

[@Barvazonik]

You can also quickly remove your battery and let it dry if it gets wet

[@dbro1205]

I used to have a Samsung Galaxy Xcover 4 with a detachable back and battery, it just had a rubber ring on the back plate around the battery and it is still IP67 water resistant

[@Stridsvagn69420]

@@dbro1205 I think even IP68, not that sure though, but the newer ones (XCover Pro (5th) and XCover Pro 6) both have IP68 and you can still open the back!

[@dbro1205]

@@Stridsvagn69420 nice

[@mark-wo8bb]

The water resistance shouldn't be an issue as we have removable sim card/sd card trays that are sealed. Could easily make a larger one of the for the batter out of the side where there are no buttons.

[@xaphon89]

I have a Fairphone 4, which is designed to be user-repairable. It's very easy to swap out the battery without any tools, but I never thought to carry around an extra battery because a charge on this lasts all day with moderate use. I also don't bother using a case for this thing as it's rather thick already on its own, the back is made of plastic but it never popped off the five or so times I dropped it on the concrete floor of my workshop (you really have to pry with your fingers). I also don't have to worry too much about components breaking because everything but the main board can be replaced easily, even the screen. Overall I like it a lot and find it baffling the only option for a phone like this is an obscure, expensive brand that I had to specially import from the Netherlands. If I ever need replacement parts I have to get the drop shipped which adds to the cost, but I'm probably saving money in the long run with how long it will last overall.

[@JuanxDlol]

EU: "YOU WILL HAVE REMOVABLE BATTERIES, YOU WILL HAVE USB-C AS A STANDARD, YOU WILL LET PEOPLE FIX YOUR PHONE."

[@FoxWolfWorld]

Yea! Big government is awesome! Let’s give central powers more power!

[@deemonical3190]

​@@FoxWolfWorldnah

[@lv1543]

And you vill be happy

[@deemonical3190]

@@lv1543 no

[@szymex22]

@@FoxWolfWorldThese poor mega companies can’t screw over their customers oh no what will we do now

[@guestadd-block4879]

as a american i think i am going to start lobying the eu to make more regulations, so that in the us there will be more pro user features

[@bigsmoke4568]

Your voice doesn't matter to the EU as an "American". You should spend your time lobbying your own government for change, like every "American" should.

[@postmeme44]

@@bigsmoke4568 Americans in the 50s used to make things like transformers, fridges were you can replace everything, cars, radios, etc. All changed in the 60s when the elite took control of that country killing the president

[@doctahjonez]

It's a shame the EU is probably giving the U.S. more freedom than the U.S. right now.

[@MrTomyCJ]

As a latin american I will have to suck it up and see how phones become even less affordable. Thanks regulators of the first world!

[@MrTomyCJ]

@@bigsmoke4568 if you want change you should support the companies who go in the direction you want, not go to the government so that they, at the expense of people who might disagree, force everyone to agree with you. That is the easy and immoral way to solve problems, and that mentality will fire back sooner or later.

[@L_U-K_E]

9:50 image goes hard

[@Alis_Archive]

I used to carry one auxiliary battery for nokia c2-00. It was like a powerbank, before powerbanks were a thing.

[@amberhernandez]

I actually had an old phone that became unusable due to the screen display dying, and I got the same model afterwards. The old one became a glorified charging dock for batteries, and that was perfectly fine by me! 😅

[@ano3661]

That's pretty cool actually

[@bruhmoment2312]

another reason why removable batteries makes it so there is less ewaste

[@meikamandoliini]

​@@bruhmoment2312 no bruh. you need portable all-around-powerbank to save waste. removable batteries wont do what you are expecting. #capacitor #capacitance #enoughEnergyToSendAndReceiveSignalsForDaysWithoutBattery

[@holesmak]

​@@meikamandoliiniyes just make another hugeass powerbank for your demand instead to reuse whatever you had before without introducing more batteries

[@bruhmoment2312]

@@meikamandoliini since you didn't bother thinking about your response to my comment, I'll do the same ;)

[@Kacpa2]

There were water resistant phones with removable batteries. Samsung made those sturdy series with button keypads. There were also commercial aimed phones that had removable batteries and water/dust proofing

[@farounaga6931]

No phone is really waterproof, because if your phone goes into the water, the phone company will never accept to take it as warranty case 😢

[@Kacpa2]

@@farounaga6931 It doesnt matter, practical aspect of it matters. So accidental drop into water briefly doesnt ruin it.

[@kelfablob9823]

my old androids all survived accidentally leaving them out in the rain for hours without any IPS rating.

[@farounaga6931]

@@Kacpa2 it actually does, don't forget that your phone has holes in it, so if you do not bring your phone directly to someone who can open it to remove water from the inside, sone of your conponents has a chance do be oxydated after

[@andyk192]

This is true, but let's be honest, the water resistance sucked on the S5 which was the only Samsung phone that had a removable battery and water resistance. It is undeniable that the water resistance is better with glued phones.

[@avader5]

Yeah I absolutely love my LG v20 which I'm still using it's compatible with the 5G networks i.e. voice over LTE and it has a removable battery, a headphone jack, and a high-end audio DAC!! My collection of MP3's sounds amazing!!

[@jackfire3439]

the end to that video makes me so damn happy as a person who lives in the EU that sounds great!

[@rcommando1107]

Still rocking a Galaxy J7 prime with a removable battery,expandable storage and a 3.5mm jack. 2016 was crazy.

[@greenfroggood2392]

Im still using this as well. What reason is there to change unless i wanted to game on the phone (i dont)? Didnt even know android doesnt have swappable batteries anymore. If not 3.5mm does that mean you must use wireless buds in modern phones?

[@rcommando1107]

@@greenfroggood2392 Either that or you buy a doggle for it which means you can't charge the device at the same time.

[@xXVibrantSnowXx]

Exactly, i still have my iphone X, and don't really plan to change or buy new phone, i don't even play on my phone, it's all PC or Nothing at all

[@mearetom]

me too! Android 8.1 Oreo is very stable, I think this phone might last 2 years. Or more, but battery seems a struggle. I'll replace it, maybe.

[@Stridsvagn69420]

As an XCover user, I can confirm that having a removable battery while still passing military standards and IP68 works perfectly fine!

[@dbro1205]

As someone who had an Xcover, that phone was based on the hardware department

[@sandwich5344]

IP68? that's pretty sweet, never heard of the Xcover - do they ship in Europe? And their origin?

[@Stridsvagn69420]

@@sandwich5344 Samsung Galaxy XCover, and they're available here! (I'm German)

[@darkmugetsu6572]

XCover Owner here :P

[@Burn2002]

yeah, walmart uses an XCover pro as their employee work phone, i was surprised when i saw it had a removable back

[@2ru2pacFan]

Just look at the LG G5, I had that phone and the concept to that was amazing!

[@cosmicdebris2223]

fine by me. My iphone 5 battery back in 2015 expanded and cracked the display and a few years later exactly the same happened with my Huawei...

[@balloonpark]

Maybe in another five years I'll be able to get a phone with a headphone jack!

[@ConsensusX]

I'm still pissed off about the headphone jack. You can keep your Bluetooth, I want hard wires!

[@GYTCommnts]

If you are not going for top of the line, something like the Galaxy A52 has 3.5 jack, NFC, FM radio, OTG, plenty RAM and storage in different models. Is posible to root it (except in the U.S.), water resistant, and there are 5G models... So, there are still some models out there with all that. I hope that we still have options in the future...

[@ConsensusX]

@@GYTCommnts it's a sad reality because flagships DID have 3.5mm jacks. It's not impossible, they just don't want. I can't get over that.

[@doctahjonez]

Not a chance they wanna keep charging us for wireless headphones for 5x the price of cheapo wired ones lol

[@kiq4767]

@@GYTCommnts Why is it not possible to root them in the US?

[@kingarth0r]

Headphone jack needs to be next, it's actually ridiculous that you have to pay more for features that were free on older phones. Apple's greed knows no bounds.

[@concertmaster]

the way we produce things is based on greed, sadly

[@connoisseurofcookies2047]

Or 2x USB-C ports instead? Could make for interesting new feature range such as dual batteries.

[@kensuiki6791]

@@connoisseurofcookies2047 Lenovo gaming phone enters the chat

[@the_splits2360]

Removable headphone jacks?

[@baseddepartment285]

Well it's not really needed anymore considering how cheap the wireless headphones have become

[@AnIceCrasher]

I really like my wideangle lense at the back, to have more lenses is ok I think. Not everybody wants to such a big upgrade on picture quality to buy and always carry around a camera. The mandatory SD slot I think is a good idea :)

[@davidyoder5890]

I think this may actually help the battery bank market. They'll probably begin making replacement rear cases with extended battery life. Of course, Apple and Samsung will probably just move the battery to behind the screen.

[@Diego-de6dq]

Or power banks for the replacement batteries. So whenever you change the batteries, you put the older one in a power bank slot that charges it.

[@gabe_owner]

The battery is already behind the screen in Apple devices. Through the display is the only entrance.

[@Vysair]

behind the screen??

[@loveXclub]

....are the batteries not already behind the screen?

[@davidyoder5890]

Yes the batteries are already behind the screen, but they aren't removable. On devices with removable batteries, typically the back cover comes off to expose the battery. Why? It's the least cost and lowest risk to have an untrained consumer replace a battery. If they break the back cover they can use tape to hold it in. However, if a consumer replaceable battery is located in a way where the consumer must remove remove the screen to replace a battery, this would be a dream for big tech because now they'll sell tons of screens from people breaking them all the time.

[@jesseessej]

I believe the primary motivator was ensuring the phone could not truly be turned off, and allow unnamed agencies to power it on remotely at will.

[@rodrigosouto9502]

That is a great reason by itself!

[@ethiesm1]

well said!!!!

[@paravoidy]

This can still happen. There’s nothing in the legislation about having a secondary low level power source for such a thing. As long as the phones main battery bank is removable. Those “always on” chips in phones are extremely low power so imagine like a tiny 250mah embedded battery JUST for powering those super low power devices. I’m highly expecting there to be strings attached to this change, so to speak.

[@metalmanexetreme]

@@acmhfmggrunot from thin air, Snowden talks about it here kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHfRpGZvh72DqLc 8:30

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@acmhfmggru Not a theory in a world where we know governments spy on us and have multiple ways to do so. You're in denial.

[@davidpereira5969]

I've been rocking a samsung j3 for well over 5 years now and its so good to get a new battery by like 20€ and change it myself, at this point i've bought like 3 or 4 new batteries but for a 100-something€ phone its still kicking

[@PushPullPump]

This is about data security GPS security and knowing your phone is truly off when you turn it off

[@tenhundredkills]

My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy J3 Prime. Having a replaceable battery was one of the main reasons I bought it. When my phone started having performance issues due to the battery dying, it was $25 for a new battery, and everything worked as intended. It was awesome!

[@icetrip2417]

Fr man

[@infinitieunique]

Why did you buy a new one then?

[@tenhundredkills]

@@infinitieunique The hardware was extremely outdated. I couldn't update most of my apps as they were no longer supported on Android 7. Upgrading Android to a newer version wasn't possible due to the hardware limitations. Plus, I started to run into storage issues as that phone only had 10 GB internal storage. It was finally time for a new phone, albeit without an easily replaceable battery or headphone jack :(

[@infinitieunique]

@@tenhundredkills what do you mean by "not supported"? You can still use an old version like you used to when it was 2010 outside

[@tenhundredkills]

@@infinitieunique "No longer supported" as in apps were no longer going to be receiving security and/or perfomance updates. Some apps flat-out broke (like MS Teams). Some of the apps I needed for work, so I didn't have much of a choice but to upgrade to a newer phone.

[@a2falcone]

My first smartphone was a Samsung Galaxy Mini back in 2013, during my last year of high school. The screen broke after a couple of months, so my dad bought me another Samsung Galaxy Mini. Now I had two batteries. One charge didn't last a day, so I started swapping batteries. I used the broken phone to charge the spare battery, so I didn't even need to charge the good phone. I felt like a tech genius. Last week I was with one of my former school mates and he talked about how I used to swap batteries. They still remember.

[@Playing096]

I used a Positivo cellphone (cheap Brazilian phone maker) it was my first phone that me and my brother got, the charger port in mine broke because it fell on a toothpick (don't ask me how, I got no idea) and we had to use my old grandma's Android KitKat phone to switch batteries (keep in mind that this was 2016, my family went from Android KitKat to Android 7 very slowly)

[@mattwilson8509]

I got a dedicated external battery charger and 2 extra batteries for my galaxy s3 back in the day. If you were very quick you could swap the batteries out without the phone turning off. Very rarely did I have to plug the actual phone in

[@gene-van]

If batteries indeed became standardized in their size and form factor, it would be possible to load them into the phone throuh a slot at the bottom with a spring latch/release, like in some old SIM slots or how you insert a magazine into the handgun. Adding a gasket in the opening of the phone's battery slot would also considerably improve its water and dust resistance comparing to the backside loading with removable back panel. Bottom slot loading would still allow placing the q-charging and NFC coils at the back behind the battery slot, thus preserving these functionalities. I'd also consider making the USB-C socket a part of the battery (with internal plug-through to the phone data bus), as this would remove the risk of premature phone obsoletion in case the socket gets worn out. This approach would certainly make the phones bulkier, but this effect could be offset by the following factors: 1. Batteries can be made smaller (in size and capacity), but the universal standard and the ease of loading in/out of the phone would make swapping them a breeze. 2. Standardization and universal compatibility will turn batteries into a cheap and ubiquitous commodity sold at every corner store and gas station in the world, making charge anxiety a thing of the past. 3. Standardization and patent/license free design will also make batteries cheap due to easy entry for new manufacturers, fierce competition, and economies of scale.

[@cyphersurf890]

Bro awesome video! as always. the German imitation got me laughing cheers "uunnd, you vvill be haappy!"

[@dubiouslycrisp]

"You will include the headphone jack. You will include the expandable storage. You will not lock down the bootloader to prevent the customization. And, you will not keep on adding these silly cameras to the smartphone. You will be allowed to have only 2 cameras. One on the front and one on the back." Strongly agreed.

[@RainbowGod666]

EXACTLY.

[@imstupidbut]

the EU needs to keep their grubby hands out of our pockets. this literally feels like something out of a dystopian movie. what’s next? phones aren’t allowed to have built in web browsers? magsafe isn’t allowed to exist?

[@hannibalbarkas1350]

Agree but not on the camera. Having a real zoom camera with seperate lens is really good. digital zoom is not usable at all.

[@Pibola64]

​@@imstupidbutthis is literally just "right to repair" and "right to ownership" as for far too long and far too frequently companies have taken the "yours to use, ours to own" BS to the quite extreme (depending on the company) If it settles you, as a european that has grown up in the EU, I highly doubt they'll prohibit built in web browsers and do away with "magsafe" (whatever that is) on the basis that it's just too much hassle to go through with, compared to hardware design and "the right to fully own"

[@phoenixvance6642]

I would rather have like 4 cameras on the back and 0 on the front, honestly. It's nice imo to have a versatile camera in your pocket that has a standard, wide lens, and zoom lens, at least. Selfie cameras are useless to me.

[@Dominik356]

To be fair, the battery is not required to be quick to be remove. It can still require a screwdriver or any other tools. The key point here is that it has to be a very common screw driver or the tool has to be included when the device is sold. Which is an amazing idea. Oh, and no damn glued in screens and shit.

[@illiiilli24601]

I'll take that any day over having glued in batteries which are a pain in the ass to remove. (Work at a phone repair place and have had colleagues set batteries on fire when removing them. Happened once in my 2 years)

[@russianyoutube]

Repair places go bakrupt

[@fussia2568]

@@russianyoutube good.

[@Robstrap]

Rip water resistance

[@starblaiz1986]

Regarding battery banks - they are still useful. With my LG G5, I would take two batteries (one in the phone, one spare), one battery bank, and a case designed to charge the batteries outside the phone. That way I could use one battery, swap it for the other, and then have the empty one charging in my bag while I used the other. This way I would then have another full battery ready to go by the time the second one ran out. Battery banks are usually good for charging a battery three or four times, so it's better than carrying a bunch of batteries.

[@renosance8941]

4:37 That's the coolest thing I've aeen all year. I want one.

[@Live4Gunz]

Honestly the worst thing to be killed off is expandable storage. I can deal with changing my battery every year or two.

[@jer1776]

Agreed. My Galaxy Note 20 is my last Samsung phone because of that.

[@doctahjonez]

Some new tablets have expandable storage still at least.

[@justayoutuber1906]

Get a Pixel

[@0ffaI]

​@@justayoutuber1906 They don't have it, Motorola still offers expandable storage

[@R3TR0R4V3]

I won't buy a phone without it.. That and an aux jack. Expandable storage is an absolute must, at least for me.

[@OuterSpaceCat]

My last phone with replaceable batteries was the LG G5. LG was underrated as heck, first fingerprint on the back, first fish eye lens on a smartphone. They tried at least to reintroduce replaceable batteries. Had also some weird ideas at last, but it is a shame they are dead now.

[@imstupidbut]

rear fingerprint was a terrible rushed idea they used because they couldn’t match the quality of iphone face id

[@spywhale]

Right now I'm using my LG stylus 3 . have not found a phone to replace it yet

[@spywhale]

@@imstupidbut of all the phones I've repaired and tested the LG rear finger is the best and I still love it. My phone is about 6 years old ,adequate camera great flashlight fulfills all my needs in a phone and a big screen.

[@kievbutcher]

My first phone was an LG V20, loved that phone. One of the earliest flagship phones to adopt usb Type C, had removable battery, expandable storage, dual camera and microphones, secondary touch screen tool bar, and rear finger print scanner.

[@risu7587]

LG G5 was a wreck. Loved the modular design and battery and especially the DAP modul which sounds really, really good. but using it is not a great experience. Especially because of that Snapdragon 820 which known fot notoriously hot even in daily use. I owned one for 4 years and it started to lag my screen one side which a known error in LG G5

[@TorutheRedFox]

power banks probably will adapt and make charging the battery itself possible, letting you charge your backup while you're not using it

[@io2900]

One more good thing about removeable batteries is that it comes with removeable back. I still remember my aunt's phone like 10 years ago with custom backplate. That look so good and can even be use with clear case for protection

[@wookix]

I loved the Xiaomi Mi 2 phone. Came with a 3000 mAh battery but had a replacement shell that allowed putting in a 5500 mAh one. Used the small one for every day use and the big one for traveling. Both versions even came with a fitting protective silicone bumber.

[@daks5122]

You know the CCP be looking at your PP on that ho, bro.

[@beatyoubeachyt8303]

disply 1080p max in 2013 to 1440p nax in 2014, 2160p max in 2016 still 2160p max only in sony Xperia phone

[@bigblockman11]

You know that xiaomi is from China right? They love to have your data

[@CoasterMan13Official]

​@@bigblockman11Xiaomi is a name that screams Chinese.

[@FrankAaron]

@@bigblockman11imagine being silly enough to think that China having your data is somehow different and more nefarious than Korea or Cupertino, California having your data. I mean, all that info is for sale. If China wanted it, they’d simply pay Google and Apple and Samsung for it. What a dork

[@Adrenaline_chaser]

As the EU mandates this very useful policy I hope they also establish a framework for standardization of all batteries, so that the batteries from different phones can be interchangeable. Edit: After taking into consideration many of the replies here's my reformulated proposal: 1. INCENTIVIZE standardization rather than forcing it, so that companies can either manufacture common products with standardized battery and receive a small tax-cut for it OR produce state-of-the-art high end devices with custom made batteries, but in that case pay higher taxes. 2. OBVIOUSLY with standardization I meant standardized per category (based on capacity/application) i.e. all 4000 mAh batteries would be interchangeable among each other BUT not with 4500 mAh batteries, as those would obviously be bigger in size and would instead be interchangeable among other 4500 mAh batteries. I thought it was clear enough but apparently it's not 😅🤦🏽‍♂️ Do let me know what you think about this and what else would you add, although I'm no policymaker, just an ordinary EU citizen (Italian)😅😂

[@thexboxcat341]

Yes that is absolutely too much

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

Space is so tight in a phone that the battery has to be exactly the right size to fill the space to maximize life while minimising the size of the phone. Standardisation would be great but seems very unlikely.

[@mpirokajosephmgcokoca2355]

Dream on 🙄

[@censored4christ162]

Its wild. If you bought a car and they said the batrery wasnt changable you probably wouldnt buy it

[@Alto53]

Bad idea.

[@sparkoflife2937]

Everything you said was true but it is also true that a large user operable entrance has the potential to compromise water resistance. I use slim cases or run naked and I have had plenty of spills and rain and dunks. If all other things being equal I was offered a battery swap or water resistance I would take the water resistance. I have also been paid for photography done with my s22 ultra. Maybe if I bought a 6000 dollar dslr I could get better (and I have). But having an honeslty incredible camera setup in my pocket is something I value.

[@zine_eddinex24]

9:56 the ending lol I can't 💀😂🤣

[@iQuickGaming]

they can keep it water resistant by making a battery that can be replaced like a SIM card with the SIM tray. You know, that thing you have to poke with the specific tool they give you to unlock the tray. I think that'd be pretty cool and functional

[@Keylevitation]

i too like this idea

[@pvshka]

Was thinking about this as well. Hell, do it with all the components connecting to a central motherboard in sandwich arrangement and you got yourself a completely modular phone

[@OrganicFoxes]

honestly best idea i've heard so far

[@user-sv6zn4vg6z]

good idea

[@user-sv6zn4vg6z]

@@pvshka fairphone

[@cultistsash]

I used to work 12-hour shifts as a security guard, if I wasn't able to change the battery on my phone I literally could not call people to let them know I needed to get picked up

[@RomvnlyPlays]

You are resourceful are you not..? Power banks exist for a reason you know.

[@ConsensusX]

@@RomvnlyPlays You shouldn't need to rely on solutions that were created and sold from manufactured problems. Stop willingly allowing corporations and governments take your rights away, man 🤦

[@RomvnlyPlays]

​@@ConsensusX A manufactured problem is still a problem that needs to be dealt with, it is no excuse. While trying to keep your rights, you need to stay safe. That is the bottom line. EDIT: To be 100% clear, I don't see the OP's comment being a valid example of replaceable batteries, the issue being they weren't prepared.

[@zachryder3150]

@@RomvnlyPlays OP was perfectly prepared every time they brought a second fully charged battery with them at the start of a shift.

[@ghoulbuster1]

@@RomvnlyPlays The virgin power banker vs The Chad one phone 10 batteries

[@magfal]

I love having 3 batteries to switch between on my Galaxy Xcover 6 pro I keep mine in self-designed 3D printed cases with an indicator for charged, not charged.

[@monsoon2134]

Hell yeah, I miss the old days of removable batteries. I had an LG G3 back in the day with a second battery and one of those battery cases that you can charge the battery with. It was super nice when your phone had like 2% left and you can just quickly swap out the batteries for a fully charged one.

[@Cha0sNicr0]

As a German I have to say, that accent was priceless. I'm not sure whether the batteries are going to be that hot-swappable. There is a chance that they might include a water-seal that breaks on removal. So that you can swap them yourself, but only for a one-time replacement per battery. Let's see what they come up with to separate RAW from RAI this time.

[@CoronelNasc]

I think that wouldn't work. Like, that's basically needing to break your phone in order to open it, or needing someone specialized to open then close it for you. Maybe the companies could use that for a year or so, but I don't see judges letting that go, at least not in Europe.

[@spl420]

"a portable battery or LMT battery shall be considered readily replaceable where, after its removal from an appliance or light means of transport, it can be substituted by another compatible battery without affecting the functioning, the performance or the safety of that appliance or light means of transport." From adopted text

[@Cha0sNicr0]

@@spl420 I read this as "you can take the battery out easily and replace it with an equivalent battery." Doesn't specifically say, that you can put the same battery back in. It just says that the appliance is unaffected, not the battery. But I might be off. Portable should mean portable.

[@spl420]

@@Cha0sNicr0 well, could work in short run, in long run will only increase usage of cheap Chinese batteries as replacement.

[@madbruv]

@@Alexander-jr8nw swap while on the charger of a powerbank. i had phones that worked with no battery only with a charger plugged in

[@TheAutisticOwl]

Imagine if the EU made the headphone jack mandatory on phones That would be my dream

[@adrianweis9309]

Try wireless and u will never go back , but be careful not to lost them around your house 😉

[@TheAutisticOwl]

@@adrianweis9309 I have tried wireless earbuds before and I liked them. But I hated having to charge them constantly, the connection issues i'd have from time to time, not to mention the constant anxiety about their batteries dying on the best part of the song. I went back to wired buds after almost two years and never looked back, I can tolerate untangling the rats nest if it means one less thing with batteries to charge.

[@EinEgomane2]

​​@@TheAutisticOwl With around 5-10 hours of battery life, you should not worry about the battery

[@cuckycuckcuck7431]

​@@TheAutisticOwlget some quality ones. Cheap wish buds wont make you happy. Good one have no connectivity issues and battery lasts about 5h. I just take mine out and they instantly connect to my phone and or tablet

[@o_oKazio]

wired earbuds can provide way better sound for just the fraction of the cost of wireless buds especially if you invest in a decent pair of $20 IEMs

[@IAmPaigeAT]

pogo pin connectors are a thing, you could 3d print your own tray for samsung batteries and just make the charging connectors with pogo pins or something similar if you wanted to make a custom battery charger

[@lucdk5]

I love this. I am considering getting a new phone after 5 years but only because the battery is worn and only holds for about a day now.

[@TheMrCos1]

Keep in mind, having removable batteries does not mean you will be able to swap them on the go. For what i understand the legislation is focused on ease of repair and recycling; the manufacturers most likely will keep using permanent glue and the sorts for that sweet sweet ipx rating and propietary repair services.

[@fss1704]

Heck if supercapacitors existed.

[@oliverborromeo8460]

The good news is that the EU regulation forbade proprietary repair tools and it must be removable with commonly available tools at least.

[@burn_out]

@@oliverborromeo8460 as long as they don’t consider a heat gun to be a “commonly available tool”

[@entcraft44]

@@burn_out It must not include heat or solvents. However, it doesn't state "commonly", it states "commercially available", "not proprietary" and "not specialized" (unless it comes with the device for free). That means everyone can buy the stuff, but if the manufacturers really want, they could use tools that nobody has instead of basic tools like screwdrivers.

[@Cr_nch]

@@entcraft44 “not proprietary” means they can’t just use tools no one has.

[@coalcreekdefense8106]

I'm so furious that this feature went away. On my last phone, I had four batteries, and a charger that would charge them without them being in the phone. It was such a good feeling knowing I actually had enough juice to get me through the whole day, plus enough to last me while the empty ones were charging.

[@BobbyTheDogUSA]

Hi. Me too, but I went thru more batteries than 4. LG had charger cradles. Need that to cone back too.

[@heroninja1125]

You should take a look at the Samsung xcover 6 pro, fully waterproof with a swappable battery. It takes about 60 seconds to swap to a new battery that you had recharging on a rack, AND it has a microSD card slot AND a headphone jack.

[@coalcreekdefense8106]

@@heroninja1125 It's disturbing that I'm excited to hear about features that would have been bog standard ten years ago, but I really am. I'm gonna check it out!

[@glike2]

Snap in plastic encased molded battery modules maybe requiring a special unlock tool (included) will allow the current level of stiffness and strength that consumers are accustomed to and is what I predict with high confidence will be offered based on my engineering experience. The cheapest phones might regress to designs like the Samsung S3 but who would want such fragile phones. Any wagers?

[@rchaze]

I had an galaxy s active easy swappable battery years ago that had a rubber gasket to help with waterproof that was like a decade ago. Sure we can get that improved tech on pure swappable batteries these days.

[@BartemPlus]

Not exactly, for what I read in the proposal, the main difference will be that the batteries may not be glued in place, require custom tools for replacement, or be paired with the rest of the phone in software. So not a thing about quick swapping, but still - small victory.

[@CubicApocalypse128]

watch them start filling the entire battery compartment with resin for the non-EU markets

[@entcraft44]

@@CubicApocalypse128 It's much easier than that if they dare to be so obvious about it: Software pairing for US model batteries, but not for the EU models.

[@donnguyen3795]

@@entcraft44 they should ban software pairing, those iPhone self repair experience look like a torture

[@entcraft44]

@@donnguyen3795 The EU has done that. "Software shall not be used to impede the replacement", if I remember the quote from the regulations correctly.