Why Phones No Longer Have Removable Batteries

[@fawzanfawzi9993]

Other thing I missed about the removable battery is that when your phone freezes and no button works, you can just quickly remove the battery and put it again to reboot it.

[@Roshan_420]

Which is bad

[@bielxvff]

@@Roshan_420 but super effective

[@asandax6]

Press and hold powerbutton on any phone with a non removable battery it will shutdown even if it seems it's no button is working.

[@Roshan_420]

@ nigga only android phones from 2008 might freeze up like ur argument is trash ong people can die headass making it overly dramatic 💀

[@ATearThroughReality]

@ You're kind of comparing apples to grapes here. The "firmware" is only responsible for low-level device communication, the down-to-the-metal stuff, whereas the Operating System of choice (Android, IOS, Windows Phone, etc) mostly handles higher level abstracted code during runtime.

[@johncasey5594]

It is so stupid, they remove features like removable batteries, headphone jack and Apple, the SD card, to make the phone slimmer, then the phones become so fragile, people have to put big bulky cases on them. Just leave the features we loved, like removable batteries.

[@trueriver1950]

... not to mention carrying round a bulky power bank when the built in battery stops lasting a working day

[@aleksandersats9577]

@@trueriver1950 then perhaps look into the rugged phone market. They don't have removeable batteries but they do have huge capacities for them, like 5000mAh or some even with 10050mAh

[@iskamag]

samsung removed sd card slot too (:

[@johncasey5594]

@@iskamag I currently have a Samsung Galaxy S9, S10 still has SD, guess that will be my last upgrade.

[@sagichdirdochnicht4653]

You don't get it. Sure, a few Folks like you and me want that shit. And I'm totally fine with a plastic Housing. And a big wider? Sure, why not. But keep in mind, that manufacturers wanna sell their shit, and by that I mean tons of people, not just a handfull. And the majority LOVES thin phones made out of Glass and all of that nonsense. That ain't an argument against second sim slot/ micro SD/ Headphone Jack, but if people don't seem to bother all that much when they are gone, it saves some money and space. That's just how capitalism works. If a majority wanted that stuff? We'd have a shitton of those devices tomorrow. In reality, those who care are so few and between, that it ain't worth the time and effort to produce those things for the five folks who'd actually buy them.

[@brendansmith9677]

Having a battery be an odd shape won't make it harder to replace. I feel that the big thing that ended removable batteries was the trend of having phones with glass backs. I would much prefer having a removable battery over a fragile glass back

[@stephensnell1379]

A true fact is that removable batteries won't ever come back ever again

[@ThePandafriend]

I think a glass back is pretty comfortable. Much more comfortable than those made out of plastic. When it comes to the removal of features I think the headphone jack and charging brick are problematic changes though. The change when it comes to the batteries didn't really affect me. I don't like it, but it didn't change anything. When it comes to the headphone jack and brick my current phone still came with those (LG Velvet 4G).

[@Markus-8Muireg]

@@ThePandafriend I had a phone with glass back once, and it was horrible. It was so slippery you couldn't put in anywhere but on a table or something, and once it drops on concrete the screen is completely screwed. All hail plastic, not as buttery soft as aluminium, and not as fragile as glass (or hard plastic likely, my Huawei didn't have any sharp edges around the cracks)

[@ThePandafriend]

@@Markus-8Muireg I guess it always depends on the individual model and personal taste. I like how it feels and it's not too slippery for me. There are some scratches on the back, but when it comes to the aspect of its materials and condition I'm pretty happy with it. The only major flaws for me are the curved edges and that it has a teardrop camera.

[@NotRixard]

@@stephensnell1379 tesla Pi phone should have removable battery.

[@MrHatoi]

It's always a little disappointing that the fact that the majority of people preferring some features over others leads to _every_ available phone representing that exact preference. I would personally prefer having a removable battery over pretty much every other tradeoff, since they're either things I don't care about (size/shape) or things I don't use (wireless charging), but I don't get the option to take that tradeoff because the majority of people chose the other option.

[@123deserted]

Economy works by taking the money off of the majority, it was always shit plus now they can make people mpre service dependant by limiting self repair, more money babbyy welcome to capitalism

[@kelvin7475]

Democracy 😂😂😂

[@yuliangeorgiev]

I don't think it has anything to do with majorities and minorities. The second a company mades a competent phone with good price/quality ratio and removable battery we will see how almost nobody cares about those stupid gimmicks like wireless charging etc. They just don't want to risk ending consumerism.

[@somewhatsomething4882]

@Aquarium Gravel 👍did someone say "vaccines"..? Or "vaccine passports"..?

[@arcturuslight_]

Maybe I am wrong, but the consumer choice may be misrepresented here. It's not like there is a choice between a new phone with a removable battery/some port/other feature and another phone without the feature but the same stats otherwise (or even slightly better stats due to extra space vacated by that port, now we can put a seventh camera there), it would be one of the leading companies spitting out the newest generation of phone, with the cutting edge technologies or atleast with the electronics crammed better than in any phone before. But with the feature removed. And there is a choice between this phone without the feature, or an absolete phone. Then if they are apple, they also gonna tell you that the old feature was retarded and was halting progress. In case of batteries, If not maybe for the waterproofing problem, I am thinking it's more about planned obsolescence and irreparability. If one of the leading companies made an effort and made a version of their new phone that is a bit thicker, but has a user-replaceable battery, and they advertised it like a cool thing, surely a significant chunk of people would buy that model. Unless I am misunderstanding something. While writing this I realized that it might be not planned. Maybe they are not trying us to buy a new phone sooner, and are just designing for the people who would do it anyway. What if most of their income comes from people who buy the newest phone every year, and never have to face repairing it? I think I'm coming back to the people being the problem. Aiaiai the rich bois don't even realize they are screwing over the rest of us. (I still can only blame the companies for this really, not the people)

[@JohnPaulBuce]

Remember, reloading a smartphone is faster than charging.

[@lastlyhi]

Dayummmm nice

[@zuckthebetacuck2789]

Fact!

[@nuclearbomb9483]

Switching to your side-phone is often faster than reloading

[@nateclipps]

Also more expensive

[@JohnPaulBuce]

@@nuclearbomb9483 primary weapon: android secondary weapon: keypad melee: charger grenade: note 7

[@theangel666100]

I would pay a premium for a phone that has Aux+ Removable Battery i would even sacrifice one of the 5 cameras they have these days.

[@rockytom5889]

Yeah, I don't get the camera thing. If I wanted to take professional photos I would buy a damn camera, not an overpriced breakable piece of plexiglass and lectronics.

[@onederdude]

@@rockytom5889 The most modern phone with this is the Samsung Xcover Pro from January 2020

[@madokalover]

@@rockytom5889 They want to see every angle.

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

@@rockytom5889 It's to satisfy selfie-obsessed thots.

[@adamzahoy1749]

Check out the LG V20, even has a dank DAC and amplifier.

[@nin6246]

It's incredibly disturbing and upsetting how accepting consumers have been regarding phones with essential features being purposely removed.

[@fazejohncenachristogamerfaze]

It's probably because it is acceptable for them.

[@Ubya_]

Most people are dumb, with enough ADs you could convince them that a single use phone is better than anything they ever had

[@JaspreetSinghArtist]

its not just about the phones. people are accepting anything which they were told to accept.

[@alberthcuayla1587]

One explanation is that normies keep rushing to buy the new iPhone

[@ButWhyMe...]

@@alberthcuayla1587 Based. It's sad that this comment only has like 130 likes when it really needs a lot more...

[@pvc988]

I can't believe how marketing makes people more and more dumb. Making phones out of glass. I have an idea. Let's make cars out of paper and screwdrivers out of honey.

[@pdorism]

I know it's silly but I wouldn't buy a plastic phone cause it feels and looks cheaper. Metal phones I looked at also feels kinda crappy cuz the metal was grained. I guess if they made the metal shiny and polished it would be even better than glass cuz the paint in the back of the glass does look a bit cheap. But it would have to be a very hard metal in order not to get scratched.

[@MsMRkv]

@@pdorism glass feels like cheap glossy plastic to me.

[@terravida333]

You pop a case on it 80% of the time. Glass back is just dead weight. A glass back is just another surface that can break easy. They are not horrible but as a material in general glass is better than some over engineered, cost efficient, thin plastic. Glass also have other properties that makes it better than (the probably cheap and shit) plastic you probably get on a phone. Glass is generally cleaner or easier to clean at least. It is 100% non-reactive to the chemicals on your hand and face. It can keep color as long as the paint behind the glass is not damaged. Glass is superior material if it is done right but doing it right is hard. Note: Trabant 500 and 601 were actually made out of discarded textil and resin. It isn't paper but close enough.

[@pdorism]

@@terravida333 glass may be fragile but that's because it's rigid. It can break catastrofically but it will not bend like aluminium and it it more resistant to fatigue than most plastics. If I drop my glass phone it might break, but that's my fault for dropping; what's more important is that it will not be damaged by just sitting in my pocket.

[@terravida333]

@@pdorism just for giggles do you remember the iPhone bend gate scandal and how some people dismissed it as an outlier failure type? Those people didn't know about flexion damages. It is a damage type that occurs when a pcb should bend inside the device. Turns out, it can murder the board or smds and make the phones fail prematurely. Flexion damage can also kill the screen. A flexible exterior may survive a drop but I personally had plastic shell phones that had screen damage after a drop on the corner while the screen glass was still intact. Engineering things is hard. It is hard because your design have to please marketing and costs. Personally I'm waiting for a stainless steel backed phone to... Pop a case on it 5 mins later... BTW. Phones feel cheap because they are made like BMWs. They are cheap and want to feel expensive. If you can tell me which phone is the Toyota of the mobile market I will just go out and buy it!

[@yodab.at1746]

With a battery which the user cannot remove, the phone is always powered. Being a digital device, it's fairly easy to keep certain functions running and make it appear to be turned off. Very useful in the right circumstances. Here's an acronym.. SMART Surveillance Monitoring And Recording Technology

[@Toast_94]

I remember back when I had an LG rumor, the batteries not only were removable but each battery but the charging port was even a part of the battery rather than the phone itself. I had a 2nd battery I could just leave the spare battery charging and just quickly swap them whenever my phone was running low. It was really convenient.

[@mavhunter8753]

Soooo, Normies ruin everything!?

[@bielxvff]

yes

[@osamaanees8406]

yes

[@laskaofalaska]

hate to admit. but yes

[@terravida333]

Yes and No. If that would be the case, Apple would be a computing monopoly right now.

[@osamaanees8406]

Normies make technology easily useable which is good but they also ruin things like this. All I can say is F

[@aleksmehanik2987]

Let's be honest, removable batteries are no longer used because Agent Smith wants to know where we are all the time, to not let us leave the Matrix

[@ashotjanibekyan4163]

I believe you are the one.

[@falciexd]

Finally, he is beginning to believe!

[@ButWhyMe...]

I think you mean big brother, but whatever.

[@bibasik7]

More like Agent Zuckerberg

[@bikiniluvnguy1]

yeah, it gets tiring having to carry it around in a 30 cal metal ammo can, inside of several other metal containers like the russian doll thing that you keep opening and find yet another doll inside. All that just to kill the signal.

[@MrHack4never]

I miss when everyone tried off everything in smartphones, Keyboards, RGB flashlights, trackballs, all sorts of features you don't see outside of obscure brands these days

[@theodenking169]

Physical QWERTY keyboards are my jam

[@Maiska123]

This is why i did love nokia over others, they invented shit, and made a various complex fu#knuts like nokia 5700, goddamn.... like, im not against this age of phones, im just freaking dissapointed to the REAL innovation. Or just lack of it in high end consumer electronic (or reasonable prised)

[@MrGoatflakes]

The most insane and awesome was the projector phone. That's some Dick Tracy shit right there 😁

[@KH0LRA]

I remember my mom having a camera Nokia phone (had camera like lens) which activated its camera when I would open it, that was pretty cool but yep quite bulky.

[@MrHack4never]

@@KH0LRA I wouldn't mind a bulky phone if the bulk is used for features, but if the bulk is just for looks, trends or gimmicks, you can fuck off with it

[@leinadreign3510]

Security concerns: everyone knows, that your data will be hacked into pieces if you can remove the battery - as told by lobbyists

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

I didnt knew this, how?

[@pow9606]

@@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs As Sheldon Cooper would say, "I don't get this sarcasm".

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

@@pow9606 Ah. Nvm then mu bad lul

[@Pianist203]

Actually European Union is planning such regulation which demands batteries to be easily replaceable. This means user replaceable batteries can actually make comeback in smartphone industry and I absolutely like that. I'd gladly say goodbye to glass sandwiches even though I'm typing with one (which I've been using for almost 5 years now.)

[@InventorZahran]

Wireless charging is not a "feature", it's an inefficient gimmick.

[@kylenetherwood8734]

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean no one does.

[@InventorZahran]

@@kylenetherwood8734 I never said I didn't like it, just that it's inherently very inefficient. Wireless charging generates more wasted heat energy than wired charging, and some power is lost in the process of transferring it from the charging pad to the device. Also, I think the convenience benefits are not worth the inefficiencies.

[@kylenetherwood8734]

@@InventorZahran You're not wrong about that, but it still counts as a feature.

[@partnermammoth2562]

@@InventorZahran i think most people bought it because it looks cool and phone companies did it to seem more advanced but it is very dumb as it wastes energy and takes longer to charge like its not hard to plug it in

[@TheDeceptiveHero]

Seriously, what’s the point of wireless charging in the first place? Whether I use a USB charger or a charging station, I need to put the phone on it. When I travel, I need to have the gadget with me either way, so wireless charging means no advantage there either. On the other hand wireless charging stations are way more expensive, less efficient and don’t let you continue using the phone as flexibly while charging as a simple USB cable does. So, again: What is the point?

[@NikiDaDude]

Planned obsolescence aside it's just easier for the manufacturers to cut features out entirely if most users don't care about it enough to not buy the device, hence the lack of removable batteries, expandable storage, headphone jacks etc. I feel like every year we do less and less with more and more powerful hardware.

[@mzflighter6905]

That is so true!

[@skyworm8006]

Less about not caring, more about the masses having their minds owned by marketing and it being trivial to make them not only accept any change but militantly defend it as a 'feature' or 'innovation' and purchase more. tl;dr if only you knew how bad things really are

[@flameshana9]

Yeah, who needs more storage? Certainly not most people. They love paying 5 times the price of a microSD card. Who uses headphones? Most people prefer the awful built in mono speaker. Who wants to replace a battery when they can just throw the entire phone away?

[@marra5073]

@@flameshana9 cloud storage & wireless headphones. But the battery... yeah I also don't get that.

[@RobotronSage]

''I feel like every year we do less and less with more and more powerful hardware.'' Yeah that's because everyone is trying to exploit your hardware

[@egg5474]

As a solitude guard once said: “They have curved screens...curved....screens”

[@jole0]

sauce?

[@852Duarte]

Somebody shoot that guy in the knee

[@princessbinas]

@@852Duarte Nah, help him find his sweetroll.

[@cantchange901]

@@jole0 what type? Marinara or Alfredo?

[@FutureNaught]

I hated the curved screen on my old Note 9. It was the worst design choice on the whole device. Certain content would drop off the edge of the screen because it wasn't designed with a curve in mind, and the curve itself had terrible touch sensitivity.

[@bibasik7]

It's simple: use it or lose it. If there's a feature that takes up space inside the phone and/or costs more money to make, it will be removed unless it's used by a significant portion of the user base (although some features, like the headphone jack, got removed despite being used by many people).

[@marra5073]

And despite there being enough space for it inside the phone. But hey, gotta sell them BT earphones, right?

[@RobotronSage]

oh yeah those headphone jack auxillary inputs that you can buy for literal pennies on eBay sure must be breaking Apples bank account i'm sure.

[@mikimouse3001]

They removed the headphone jack because apple did it first, same with the sealed battery and storage, apple did it first and the others followed trying to emulate their success.

[@marra5073]

@@mikimouse3001 *others followed because not only did it cut production costs, but they saw that they could get away with it, just like apple.

[@andro7862]

I did use it, though. Didn't stop them from removing replaceable batteries.

[@undefined-x100]

After 7 years, I'm still rocking my Galaxy S4 with a custom 6000mAh battery. Not gonna change it anytime soon! 💪

[@jofx4051]

That's great; hopefully the hardware doesn't fail cause I replace my phone because somehow even if I replace the battery, it still fails regardless (battery dropping)

[@photondebuger45]

@Jeredakoala yeah that's kinda what happened with my old phones the battery outlasted the phone where my phone ran like garbage and the battery was still good

[@doxed64]

The real conspiracy is that >90% of humanity owns a mobile (smartphone), every smartphone is a voluntary tracking device, and the sure-fire way to turn off the device... is to remove the battery. Can't do that when your eyes are glued to the screen though. No reason to look away when real life provides less dopamine than the memes and notifications.

[@saintjohnny45]

:(

[@snackers7]

Yes, because smartphones turn into standby mode not off mode. Dont turn off mobile broadband at night when you turn off the phone. Maybe your battery lose some percent when you turn on it again.

[@quisqueyanguy120]

Smartphones are small computers, they are extremely convinient for humans.

[@mzflighter6905]

@@quisqueyanguy120 but make everything fucking worse combined with social media. I would be perfectly happy with the world in which only PCs exist and phones serce for calling

[@vatobarba]

Tracking is not voluontery for me. And there is no removabke buttery because hard to truck location of phone battery of been removed. And sd card can be hidden if something interesting been recorded. And if android phone degoogled and battery completely removed it belong to it user not company and it us not one time phone.

[@jakeduggan3854]

I'd only disagree with one point made. Phones with a plastic back can wireless charge. My old Lumia 950 XL wirelessly charged with no problems. I think the "only phones with glass backs can wirelessly charge" statements are either propaganda put out their by phone manufacturers or KZbin phone reviewers. I have yet to see an official statement by a phone manufacturer stating that it is not possible for plastic backed phones to wirelessly charge. I think most budget phones with plastic backs don't have wireless capability because it cuts costs and it has somehow manifested into people thinking it is impossible.

[@____-gy5mq]

Well s20 fe doesn't have a glass back I think.

[@uzefulvideos3440]

He never said that phones with plastic backs can't be wirelessly charged, just that glass is chosen because it allows for wireless charging. I assumed he meant that compared to a metal back, which is the other material that users regard as premium.

[@jakeduggan3854]

@@uzefulvideos3440 Upon listening again, I understand what he meant. People perceive plastic to be cheap and glass recharges wirelessly where metal can not. But it also sounded like he was lumping plastic backs with metal ones. I have heard so many people on KZbin claiming that plastic backed (polycarbonate) phones can not be wirelessly charged that it has become a false belief among the masses.

[@uzefulvideos3440]

​@@jakeduggan3854 Really? Why would anyone think that?

[@someonestolemyname]

Wireless charging utilize a very simple phenomenon, electron moves in metal when the magnetic field changes, it is utilized in transformers a long way back. Using a metal back without an adapter will waste some energy in heating the case instead of charging the coil but it does not completely block it. Phones had a corner without metal to place antennas and wireless charging coils before but due to recent trends it faded out somehow. As I do FDM printing, I have more faith in plastic than whatever material they use. As long as they use the right one for the right purpose.

[@MpSniperM1911]

(didn't even watched the video yet) one of the effects is the slow decline in the rights to repair

[@windowsxseven]

nice alt account louis rossmann

[@MpSniperM1911]

@@windowsxseven yeah, i had that though because i saw his video of his bike on fire

[@RobotronSage]

The thing about rights is the more you talk as though you don't have them the less you appear to have them.

[@CubicApocalypse128]

Friendly reminder that when rights go away, they don't come back.

[@samugote]

Surveillance is the name of the game. Your phone tracks , listens, records and sends all about you 24/365 to *"Big Brother."* This is going to be our New Normal.

[@KeepItReal33]

Exactly!

[@theedwardian]

One if my first androids damaged its USB port so I bought a manually adjustable "external charger" which allowed me to slide copper contacts onto any battery and charge it. I remember realizing how convenient it is that I could just carry fully charged batteries with me and swap them out without ever needing to "wait" for my phone to charge.

[@paulhunter1525]

That's main problem I have with USB port. Always seem get little metal connection bend. So, it becomes difficult to recharge battery. I've had upgrade to next model for this reason alone. And still keeps happening.

[@RobinCawthorne]

You're forgetting the other fact that having a battery in makes this device always on. Even when it's off. As in, being able to locate the device even after it's been shutdown should or could still be possible.

[@stephensnell1379]

False,when you switch a smartphone off it's off

[@flameshana9]

@@stephensnell1379 In most cases yes. But I've heard of some things being able to run even when the OS isn't active. It's a bizarre world where they invent stuff like that.

[@InternetsToughestGuy]

@@stephensnell1379 Not totally, so long as the battery is connected. Just like my usb lamp will still blink once in a while after turning off the pc but not disconnecting the plug.

[@bltzcstrnx]

If you don't want to be tracked, just destroy your phone.

[@unnamed715]

@@stephensnell1379 Nnnnope! False! Even if your phone is "off" it can still be located and turned on remotely.

[@bonkmaykr]

Apple is like the EA of smartphones. You know what they say, "if Apple does it, so should we!"

[@NCC-0000]

Sad truth when they announced that iPhones won't come with a charger and you have to buy it separately. It was fun and memes.... Until every smartphone company like Samsung, Xiaomi or Huawei starts to jump into the same pool

[@bloodakoos]

@@NCC-0000 headphone jack

[@drbadzer]

No bro, EA is much much worse.

[@Notchjrgaming1269]

No headphone jack hey you can buy this thing called a dongal it has a really dumb name but now you can plug in head phones

[@bocchithean-cap3404]

@@drbadzer apple is stronger than EA

[@TheJackiMonster]

Wait what? You don't need glass panels for wireless charging. Plastic can do that as well. Only metal housings cause problems to this feature... they also cause problems to other wireless functionality which is pretty much the reason to put a piece of plastic on some side of a metal housing. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to make calls. Glass panels look pretty but they tend to be bad for anything else for a general user. It takes most users probably about one day to break the surface or the back cover somehow. It's just that repairing a phone isn't really economical for the publisher. So they tend to make their phones not repairable.

[@neoqueto]

Fun fact, the Google Pixel 5 SUPPOSEDLY has a metal back while having wireless charging.

[@uzefulvideos3440]

He never said that plastic doesn't work, just that glass is preferred because it works, compared to metal I assume.

[@neoqueto]

@@nooneinpart makes sense. LG G5 did the same thing claiming to be metal but was heavily covered with plastic. We'll have to wait for JerryRigEverything.

[@Elfnetdesigns]

Considering the fact wireless charging is literally the same technology as an induction cook top for a stove or a power transformer. Yeah any non conductive material will pass the EMF through to charge the device. I mean a metal back would heat up or cause the VSWR on the charger to go up thus increasing current draw on the charger and burning something up, typically the chargers power supply.

[@RobotronSage]

''It's just that repairing a phone isn't really economical for the publisher. So they tend to make their phones not repairable.'' Oh, how inconvenient that legally mandated warranties are ''economically inconvenient'' to the mega corporations.... >__>

[@Subgunman]

Did everyone forget, if you have no access to the battery to make it safe from big brother "turning on" your phone in a dead mode which allows monitoring your position as well as listening in or watching you without your knowledge. Not paranoid, as a tech speaking things like this are very possible. There is a manufacturer that makes two way radios they can remotely turn on and monitor everything audio wise going on in the room where its located.

[@UlyssesPrime]

Don't forget that without a removable battery, your phone can't truly be turned off without completely draining the battery so glows will always know where you are

[@FubarMike]

Now that people are financing their 1000$ phones rather than going on contract, are using them for more things in day to day life and keeping them longer, I think the removable battery should make a comeback.

[@RobotronSage]

hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahhaahahahah

[@immanuelt613]

Power banks already solve this

[@immanuelt613]

Power banks already solve this

[@stephensnell1379]

Well removable batteries won't be back anytime soon

[@Unsensitive]

@Aquarium Gravel vote with your dollars. I refuse to buy Apple products. I'm about ready to drop Samsung as well for taking up the same garbage practices. Also do what you can to support legislation against anticompetitive practices of the large companies.

[@lemonheep]

Honestly, the even bigger problem is how difficult it has become to repair phones now. I wish it were more like laptops, where it is still relatively easy to repair.

[@RobotronSage]

phones are a lost cause tbh

[@RobotronSage]

At this point we should be considering mini laptops as the next personal carriable tech etc

[@PixelSubstream]

Unless their MacBook laptops then it's just as hard to fix

[@anna-flora999]

I wasn't able (or really willing) to switch the battery in my hp laptop because it was inside the case, and removing the back felt like a surefire way to break it apart. It even has a secret screw the official repaid manual doesn't mention in the middle of the back cover, hidden under a very difficult to remove piece of plastic, that you need to unscrew if you want to take the back cover off. And getting to the battery would have required to basically disassemble the entirely laptop. Maybe im just unlucky, but I wouldn't call that "relatively easy"

[@mmdirtyworkz]

@@anna-flora999 and it will only get worse from here on...

[@gregorymalchuk272]

For optimum surveillance efficiency.

[@riccardoc1711]

2 reasons: 1. when the battery dies you will have to buy a new one. 2. Not being able to remove the battery makes the phone an “always on” tracking facility (with the face-id, fingerprint scanning, microphone always listening, gps tracking, ect.)...

[@Mookaron]

It's because the government knew that if you took the battery out, you can't be tracked. They can also turn your phone on without your permission to listen to your privacy.

[@tonnylins]

And you cannot ensure proper spying capabilities with a removable battery. Win-win-win

[@pineapplewarrior758]

I was sure he would make this the point of the video..

[@tonnylins]

@@pineapplewarrior758 He must not do it, else he's gonna be labeled by the algorithm and that will hurt the channel's exposure and views permanently.

[@trueriver1950]

Surely if it's a Win then spying is built in?

[@lovely-shrubbery8578]

@@tonnylins He's already talked about the Intel ME.

[@jackmcslay]

Put your phone inside a metal case and it accomplishes the same

[@bjornroesbeke]

I want my expensive tracking device to last, not be replaced with another that costs an arm and a leg every 6 months. My Galaxy S5 is still working (mostly) properly, albeit a little slower after several OS upgrades. It has survived tens of drops onto the pavement. I've got 5 batteries of which 3 are double the standard capacity. Who cares if the phone is 1cm thicker? I don't! There's no way these new phones would survive this long because for most people they don't have to, and that's saddening. Looks are less important than functionality. Buy good phones, not pretty ones. Change the market!

[@bonkmaykr]

Yea!

[@LevenLappi]

My phone is a Motorola budget phone, it has a headphone jack, android 9, and a removable back cover and battery. I enjoy Motorola for their phones that can do this and if they were to change it I would never use their phones again as the phone lasts LONGER THAN ANY OTHER PHONE ON THE MARKET. P.S. It was 40$ on bestbuy because prepaid, but worth the price due to it using a service that is fairly cheap.

[@mineland8220]

Here another Motorola user. I use the moto g4 plus since at least 6 months or so and after changing tl a custom rom with andrlid 9 i can say it has more features than before, and kts still pretty nuch usable. At least its faster than my old acer iconia one from 2012 that i still have with me... Poor old thing its so slow and its stuck in android 4.4

[@mack2771]

Extremely well spoken. I really really really miss my galaxy note 4 phone that was the greatest phone ever made.

[@theodenking169]

Look into LineageOS for your phone

[@geoman1420]

Batteries are no longer removable so you have to buy a new phone when the battery fails. Simple as that.... (I have a Lumia for almost 6 years now and i am perfectly happy with it, even if Microsoft no longer supports it)

[@Elfnetdesigns]

If you are above average in the lemming pool then you know how to look up guides on how to order a replacement battery, the tools to open the phone and how to open the phone, and replace the battery properly without causing the old battery to go nuclear because it is glued in with a glue that could hold a space X rocket together, or an American marriage in the 21st century together.... I mean yeah.. If you are smarter than the average consumer that is..

[@geoman1420]

@@Elfnetdesigns I can do it (as i can restore old computers that people tend to throw away thinking that they are "old, slow and useless" by installing a light XFCE Linux distribution and an ssd) , but do you really think that the average person can do it? Most people want things "ready to use" so they will probably buy a new phone instead of spending even 20 mins searching for guides...

[@Elfnetdesigns]

@@geoman1420 Well then you are one of the intelligent ones then. One who was able to take off the blinders and ask questions, get things done..

[@senselessnothing]

@@geoman1420 People throw away some great stuff, not just slow computers, sometimes a penny part of the pcb fails and the computer doesn't turn on, so they throw away very expensive and fine machines.

[@RobotronSage]

@@geoman1420 i love it when people throw away 5 year old hardware because they think it's ''outdated'' Especially PC hardware.

[@COASTER1921]

I miss the thicker aftermarket batteries that would allow you to have 6000mah+ with a different, thicker back cover. Zerolemon and other options on Amazon made my LG G3 last multiple days without changing the battery or charging.

[@NikovK]

What I really miss is going into a funeral or a job interview or anything of the sort and just pulling my battery. Tah dah, no interruption and no risk of interruption.

[@Snotnarok]

All of these points are countered by Apple. It's nothing to do with thinner, or carrying around 'more than one battery'. You literally can't replace your battery with apple phones because they don't want you servicing them. This isn't some wacky conspiracy theory they've gone out of their way to ensure you can't open your phone. Batteries lacking protective shells isn't anything special. Imagine they just made the back out of plastic or make it easier for users/repair technicians to replace batteries, because oddly they've only gone out of their way to make this process more and more difficult over the years. To the point where they have sabotaged phones in an update for having a replacement home button. Some people had a 3rd party replace their easily broken home button and then, after an update, bricked users phones. Saying "it's a security flaw" because fingerprint readability was in there. Which, doesn't make sense. Stop the fingerprint sensor, don't KILL the phone. Apple literally tells companies to not sell specific parts, they've told US customs to block shipments of parts because 'they're counterfeit'. Um, are used or 3rd party parts illegal now? They've been caught throttling CPU speeds, insisting users replace entire devices for basic problems such as a loose cable. All because you're, not, allowed, to, open, YOUR device. "Now surely it can't be all that bad" right well they were recently caught taking legal action against a recycling facility who started selling phones that were set to be recycled. Odd that Apple who claims they're ecofriendly and want to recycle, but won't do the reduce/reuse part & go after people selling used phones. Then they tell amazon 3rd party & refurbished macbook sales are not allowed and it worked. "But then what about other manufacturers?" Yeah, they copied the most popular, biggest phone that parades itself as something special when it's basically disposable jewelry because it's, profitable! Look at reviews that will slam other devices and whine that "It doesn't have that premium feel". It doesn't matter if the device has more functionality, features, whatever. They will lean so hard on premium feel that they will rate something like the Apple Pencil more because "It has a better weight to it vs the other pen" when the other pen doesn't HAVE a battery because it uses wacom's tech which was patented tech till recently. Wacom enabled pens, are considered worse, because they have less of a premium feel vs the apple pencil- wacom, the industry standard for DECADES for digital artists. As for your battery will explode comment? That's nonsense. Batteries these days are designed to self destruct in a way that will not combust. You have to get some pretty cruddy batteries to get one that'd cause a FIRE like that. Also, people are allowed to change their breaks in a 1 ton+ weighted vehicle, but they can't change a battery? Come, on. Wireless charging? Doesn't rely on a glass back, again, this is nonsense. Wireless charging isn't anything new and has been done with plastic devices. More water resistant? Also, absolutely wrong. There are phones with removable plastic backs that have far better rated for being water proof. Nevermind that if your phone had a removable back you could, you know, remove the battery to mitigate damage and dry it out and not lose out on a very expensive device. All of their devices are designed to be disposable. Their phones, tablets, etc. They glue their batteries into their laptops. To...What, make them more slim? You really think that's why when plenty of laptops come out that are really, really darn slim but you can still swap out the battery by removing the back? Alright, fine. But how about soldering on ram, making the SSD non-upgradable, same with not having a micro SD card on iphones or ipads? Why make an expandable device that could have a longer life when you can make it non-repairable? Then hey, apple not only is getting away with it they're selling more than us! Copy them. Why not? People will literally make fun of you for not having an iPhone or an OLDER iPhone. Apple has popularized disposable tech and gone out of their way to make sure you're not able, or allowed to fix your device. Louis Rossman would have a field day picking this video apart who, is a guy who makes a living repairing devices with a 'premium feel' that are filled with problems but also are impossible to get parts for because a certain giant company makes sure others can't get replacement parts at any cost. But, nah it's because batteries are dangerous without their protective cases that shouldn't allow people changing them. But people replacing the breaks that stop their 2 ton truck that drives around populated areas makes sense.

[@abubakrakram6208]

You managed to interpret a neutral video as if it was _defending_ this practice instead of merely explaining it. Impressive, though I should know to expect nothing less from the hyper-intellectual denizens of the internet.

[@Snotnarok]

@@abubakrakram6208 What was neutral about it? Was it where he said that phones that can't be opened are more water proof when they're not? That reads to me like defending the industry with incorrect information. How about where he said that changing batteries would be too dangerous? Something else that isn't true and is defending the industry doing anti-consumer practices. Several times he's defending the industry does, but it's neutral. Do tell me otherwise though. I'd love to hear how basic common sense & reading is 'hyper-intellectual' and not just saying the video has straight up wrong information that should be looked into instead of winging it.

[@RobotronSage]

Yeah this comment should be pinned But if you're wondering why these companies are scamming and lying so much It's because our entire economy revolves around exploitation, apparently. Yes this is a problem and it needs to stop.

[@RobotronSage]

@@abubakrakram6208 I actually think this video was bordering on defending these practices tbh

[@abubakrakram6208]

@@RobotronSage Really? You think Kenny supports Apple’s practices? I mean, the dude makes videos calling out Apple’s nonsense regularly.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

My guess: Apple stopped making them removable, so everyone else did. The end

[@aetvrna]

Apple never made theirs removable to begin with.

[@mavhunter8753]

Yes.

[@mavhunter8753]

luna7446 He still has a point though...

[@LegendSkull367]

Usually it's the other way around, then people act like Apple did something that has never been seen from any phone before

[@1yaz]

@@aetvrna A few screws and a bit of adhesive... Not 'user' removable but easily removable nonetheless ;)

[@GaiaGoddessOfTheEarth]

So sad that LG closed. Their phone department was amazing even though they did start hopping on the trends. I miss my G5. Even though my G8 is amazing (Hi-Fi headphone jack, fingerprint sensor on the back, 3D face ID) I miss the removable battery and would trade my water proofing for it. Hey cool, I've never lost a phone to water damage so I don't see why I need this.

[@MineGames131]

My LGV20 was the best phone I've ever used. If they came out with that phone with modern specs and maybe a bezel-less screen I would buy it in a second.

[@StrikeFromTheSkies]

LG's post-sale support for their products was an utter and complete joke, what difference does a removable battery make if LG won't even consider selling you one?

[@EhurtAfy]

Yep, LG went out with a bang too, V60 was incredible. Switched to Motorola now, still have a headphone jack and two-day 5000 mAh battery

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

I still have my stylo 3 I wish I could have gotten it refurbished The mf has taken a beating over the past years

[@EhurtAfy]

@Tom's Stuff Stopped making phones for now

[@redneckReno]

the whole purpose is to be able to track you or Identify the phones location, via cell tower, when your phone is off....the only way Not to be tracked is to take the battery out...

[@ollie_04]

It's genuinely worrying that people will the spend the exact same price (or even more) on their new phone which has less features, and no one seems to care. Yeah people will be mad for a week when the iPhone 20 has no screen, but when the camera has a 2% larger sensor and has 0.01% better dynamic range, they'll immediately hit that pre-order button faster than you can say "you don't need any of that"

[@pieterwillembotha6719]

It's unbelievable that automobiles also had the option of fixing the vehicle or replacing parts without having to take it to a dealership.

[@RobotronSage]

Imagine if automobile companies just made their cars out of glass so people would get into car crashes more often thus being forced to buy more cars. Totally disregarding the ethical and moral implications, as corporate is so shamelessly accustomed to. Someone really should put a stop to all this madness. And by someone, i mean most people. This IS a democracy, right guys? Take back our fucking country / economy / world ffs.

[@PixelSubstream]

The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if cars just become glorified computers on wheels and every single part needs to be reprogrammed by a licensed repair facility to be replaced.

[@pieterwillembotha6719]

@@PixelSubstream wonder how they plan on gouging people who continuously repair their own cars from the early 90's.

[@600rrwheelieopjemoeder3]

@@PixelSubstream This already is more or less the case. Try switching parts on anything that is European and made in the last five years without using licensed software.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

You can still do it, just don’t buy a tesla

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

I myself have the fairphone 4. Removable battery and fully repairable. The specs are not high end (Snapdragon 750G), but good enough for today and probably years down the road. It is thicker than a normal phone, but perfectly hand able. Only complains are no headphone jack and waterproofing. It runs android, but they are making a degoogled version.

[@mike406]

No waterproofing can’t be a complaint. You can’t waterproof something with an easily removable cover. It’s par for the course of owning a device that can be taken apart easily.

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

@@mike406 True, waterproofing isn't really important for me and I'm sure that it's very hard to make a phone like this waterproof without making it even thicker. I believe it's worth being repairable and have direct support for degoogled android.

[@sihamhamda47]

Repairable phone, removable battery, long software support, and clean version of Android, every Android users' dreams. Sadly Fairphone is not available in my country

[@coscacharlisecaluna]

@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 some thin rugged phones have waterproof in them despite having removable battery like Samsung Galaxy XCover Pro,with IP68 dust and water-resistant that can stay up to 1.5m for 35 mins

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

@@coscacharlisecaluna Yeah there are, but the covers are harder to remove. I do hope Fairphone wil implement something like this, but no waterproofing is fine for now.

[@aDumbHorse]

I remember back then having a Samsung J7, the one with amoled display. Lovely phone and with replaceable battery. Then i decided to buy another battery and it was almost impossible for me to find one. Finally got one on the flea market just to later find out it could only hold ~30% of charge. At the end of the day, replaceable batteries were good and convenient only if you had a popular model AND lived in a city with actually decent electronic shops.

[@StrikeFromTheSkies]

AND happened to have a need for said battery within 2-3 years of model's discontinuation.

[@stephensnell1379]

Well you won't find any phone with a removable battery no more they no longer exist

[@dotankoch]

@@stephensnell1379 What about Samsung Xcover 5?

[@Moctipotili1]

I'm writing this with and still currently ising my samsung J7 I got for free with my $25/month metropcs back in 2017. Or was it 2016? Downgraded from my Note3 that was used when I was with Sprint. Currently questioning my need for an upgrade.

[@dotankoch]

@@Moctipotili1 do you have the 16GB model? My mom was using the J5 model until May, but we upgraded it mainly because 16GB storage is too small for todays applications.

[@gryoz1323]

I loved this back when I had an S3, I worked a blue collar job where I did not always have the luxury of charging my phone in either, a vehicle or wall outlet. So I would always charge and bring an extra battery with me, and before anyone asks no my employer did not provide me a cellphone to do my job. Even though 20% of the time it involved calling homeowners, the office, other techs, and crew chiefs throughout the day. Just last year I bought my mom a used S8 for mother's day, and after 4 months the battery started having issues. You know how our mom's can be with their phones, install too many games, bloatware installed, multiple apps running in the background, etc. So me thinking I can just order a new battery online, and replace it myself. I did not stop to consider that phone manufacturers (Samsung specifically) would make it mildly annoying to replace the battery. Needless to say, after a 10 minute youtube video, I replaced it, and it still did not work properly. Whether I damaged the ribbon cable, or was a bad battery off Amazon I dont know.

[@Thunderstormworld]

One thing you did not mention is phones with internal non removable batteries is always on even when it should be off so government can track you. That is why if you charge a phone and switch it off and leave it 2 to 3 months the battery is flat where old phones with removable battery can stay charged for longer. This is made so that if you commit a crime with your phone "switched off" the police can still point out that you where in that cell area.

[@SprattyD]

Personal gripe for me is I don't care for a glass backed phone as all my phones sit inside a cover anyway so, wood, plastic, fur it wouldn't matter. My last phone I learnt the hard way why non removable batteries were a bad thing and why it pays to always keep your last phone around as a spare, in short my phone crashed for some reason and in short needed a hard reset however as the software froze up it couldn't do it and even with the computer because the software was frozen it wouldn't get into a disk mode either so in short I had to wait until the battery died which ended up being almost a week since the phone was basically in a very low power consuming mode. so yeah I had to boot up my previous phone for a week. The dumb thing is because I couldn't remove the battery I was without my main phone while previous phones all I would have needed to do was open the back, take the battery out for 10 seconds and connect and I would have been ready to go. With the points in the video I think they are fairly on point but I know apple is VERY anti right to repair so they intentionally make sure shit is near impossible to fix without going to them and I am sure other phone makers share similar ideas also they rather people upgrade every few years vs slapping in a new battery.

[@ashwinrawat9622]

Did you try pressing power button and volume down button for 15 seconds?

[@SprattyD]

@@ashwinrawat9622 yep I did everything possible

[@someonestolemyname]

Keeping your old phone/ a backup phone is a good practice even if your phone has removable battery, I often keep important and always use data backed-up on cloud and desktop. I once burnt my screen on my V20 and took it to repair, luckily I was not so dependent on my phone and kept my work on my desktop.

[@SprattyD]

@@someonestolemyname yep I agree, I know people are quick to sell their old phones but I have had to rely on a back up once and also lent out my old one to friends and family when they lost or broke theirs.

[@Notallowed101]

should have plugged it in to the mains, supposedly the charge should flow back out of the battery.

[@porkyV2]

i remember when the sim card (the simcard the size of a card itself) was removable from the outside. we make a call and yank the simcard out and talk for an unreasonably long time because we found out the call was only charged a minute instead of the whole duration. then they hid the sim ( the smaller one now) behind the battery. so no shenanigans like before. oh the good old days..

[@LilacMonarch]

a lot of phones still have removable sim cards, although it's in a tiny card tray with the sd card slot or just the sim. but you have to have a little thing to pop it out

[@VitVoz]

You do realize that all modern phones have sim cards removable from the outside right?

[@VitVoz]

Dude The SIM card HAS to be removable from the outside, as else you wouldn't be able to put it in at all It's not an american thing, it has to be like that everywhere where phones aren't made to be opened up, which is pretty much all around the developed world

[@Comfy_Bed]

@Aquarium Gravel most, if not all popular asian brands have removable sim cards. also the only way a company will make non removable sim cards is if they have a service provider dedicated to their phones alone, and why would a company do that? doing that would restrict their buyers a lot.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

You realize that most phones (even iPhones) don’t hold the sim behind the battery anymore, right? It’s usually in a compartment on the side.

[@adamzahoy1749]

I think the LG V20 is the last decently specced phone with removable battery. Correct me if I am wrong. The SD820 is still capable, I can reach all sites that I frequent. The Galaxy S5 was an excellent design with the rubber gasket around the battery. I miss them too.

[@GospelOfTimothy]

It's for government tracking so you can't take the battery out of your phone when you travel. The reason why the batteries blow up when you try to remove them cuz they use so much glue that it's impossible to remove them without damaging them.

[@starman6280]

The removable battery was eliminated so governments can track you at all times. All phones can be operated remotely be shadowy elements in the government. If you can't remove the battery, they can always track you.

[@ftcgaming4651]

Which adds to the questions: why do phones no longer have an audio jack? and why do phones suddenly need a weird ass notch at the top of the screen?

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

I hate how they think people also want the camera inside the screen and now forcing wierd aspect ratios. Or somehow a "chin" is "wrong". That space at the bottom of the phone gives you another place to hold it.

[@ftcgaming4651]

@@jeffkardosjr.3825 it all begun with this elongated aspect ratio like 9:16 suddenly isn't good enough?

[@DGTelevsionNetwork]

I'm honestly surprised that regulations haven't stepped in. Non removable batteries pose a serious safety risk when the lithium begins to fail or overcharges. This creates an explosion risk as now there are no places for the battery to vent creating more and more potential energy resulting in the phone rear shatter and go flying giving people injuries similar to people when get hit with grenade shrapnel.

[@ZentaBon]

If you had enough money to pay a lobbying company for years, you could totally get this done because there's the fear factor right there. And you can say it's being done to squeeze extra of your hard earned money! :)

[@albynoson]

Thanks for putting some perspective on this side of the argument. someone that cares about open-source software and other freedoms might at first think that making a battery harder to remove is only to control the user, but these arguments actually make sense, I especially had no idea about the point of the ribbon. At the end of the day I personally don't mind a project taking a couple hours (or if it's a household project like like adding kitchen cabinets I don't mind if that task takes days) if I can reap the benefits for years to come. The real issue that repair technicians face is the availability of the batteries. US customs even once seized a box of 20 MacBook batteries meant to go to Louis Rossmann because Apple refuses to sell batteries to anyone that's not a genius bar or certified by the horrible independent repair program. That's what right to repair is actually about, making sure that the parts are available and a job can be done at all. I will try not to get myself into a situation where I have to worry about that though, I'm happy with my PinePhone.

[@Universal_Craftsman]

It's the worst when companies don't supply parts, and then they talk about saving the environment.

[@MrGoatflakes]

They get customs to do that all the time. Usually it's repaired displays. Apple claims that they are counterfeits and illegal. Funny. They actually are genuine Apple parts, but repaired. With all Apple branding removed. And they are far far superior to the original product because the repair replaces the cheesy and broken Apple window glass with Gorilla Glass. Apple are just shameless hucksters at this point.

[@RobotronSage]

Really? You had no idea what a ribbon cable was?

[@RobotronSage]

Also >Argues Apple removing batteries is not to control the user >Says in that same paragraph ''Apple refuses to sell batteries to anyone that's not a genius bar or certified by the horrible independent repair program'' Bruh. Also i think you're vastly misrepresenting the ''right to repair'' infringement, etc. Apple is basically exploiting consumers and the government had to step in to see exactly how fair they're gonna be allowed to take it. Shit's nuts.

[@RobotronSage]

@@MrGoatflakes They're IT scammers. Thing is, not many people are IT savvy.

[@steveriley1000]

Big brother needs to know where you are at all times , even when your phone is off! Can’t do that with a phone that has a removable battery

[@J7T800]

One thing I liked about the removable batteries was the 10% trick. I don't know if it worked with every phone, but it was a common thing in Samsung phones. You'd pop the battery out, put it near a cold source, pop it back in, and you've got yourself an extra 10% of battery life.

[@midnightwolf8426]

I can only assume that would happen due to it taking the battery power from its back up. All phone batteries have a back up storage of power, its not used however because it keeps the battery from actually dieing and makes it rechargeable. With this knowledge, i can only make the assumption that forcing your battery to give more than its suppose to is VERY damaging for the battery.

[@ehsnils]

Non-removable batteries is as I see it the main cause for people having to replace the phone these days because the batteries are the component that invariably fails after a designed "lifetime" of the phone.

[@RobotronSage]

100% this. Don't even know how Mental Outlaw is making a ''pro consumer'' argument out of this.

[@JaySee5]

Nobody asked for glass backs. It was a stupid trend started by Apple. It’s not a consumer preference. Apple had glass back iPhone 4, but people still bought plastic back phones.

[@MrPir84free]

Glass backed phones, considering how often phones are dropped, are just as stupid as ceramic based spinning disks in portable hard drives, back when spinning disks were in fashion. Oh, yes, I bought one of those ceramic based spinning disks, although I didn't know it had ceramic disks; A portable drive that lasted less than 30 days. Last Toshiba product I have ever bought.

[@JaySee5]

@@MrPir84free which is why Apple dropped them for iPhone 5 and up, but went back to it because Samsung and others stayed on the stupid trend that sells more phones after they'll easily shatter.

[@PterippiGaming]

I use Samsung Xcover 4 for the last year. It has IP68 protection with removable battery. It is really dificult not to notice improperly fit back cover on this one as it is designed properly. I also find it acceptable to use it for watching movies while taking a bath. No damage from water so far. HW specs are fair for the phone worth 300 USD.

[@Markus-8Muireg]

The Xcover series hasn't let me down yet, even though it's noticable that they got a little less sturdy over time (from 3 to 4 to 5). The Huawei P30 lite I had once on the other hand... The glass back is so slippery, it can't handle the slightest angled surfaces, one meter high drop on concrete and the screen was fucked, the camera stood like 3mm out, it was designed to be slim... but to be in a protective case that makes it thick again... That, and some slight annoyances like the timer not saving your last set time (useful when you only ever use it to make pizza), and the calculator saving EVERYTHING you typed, even after closing the aplication (nothing is better than getting 49.070,85 as the answer for 423÷60, because the 237×12 from last time was still there) The camera was nice though.

[@prunabluepepper]

Never by a light version. Especially not from Huawei. I have a mate20. Very happy with it still.

[@SilntObsvr]

While I never carried a swap-in battery for my old Galaxy S4, I did replace the battery when it started to lose capacity (after only about a year), and I also replaced batteries in my old LG flip phone, my enV 2, and enV Touch (and battery life on my first Nokia "Mulder" model was so short that a swap battery was almost mandatory). Conversely, my first-gen Pixel is currently in the shop for a battery replacement. I've been without my phone for, as of today, a week; after replacing the battery the technician found the screen was damaged (likely overheated due to multiple interruptions while removing the screen for battery access), and while the replacement isn't costing me any money, the first replacement ordered in was defective, so I'm waiting for the *second* replacement screen -- for a four year old phone. I could have replaced the phone with a new one, but matching the specs of even a four-year-old phone would have cost around $400, and finding a comparable phone that still gets updates would have been upwards of $600. IMO, "Right to Repair" legislation should have included a mandate that phones be built to allow battery replacement without special tools -- guitar picks, heat pads, miniature five-lobe screwdrivers, etc -- as well as mandates for extended OS security support. Not sure what I'll do when it's time to replace my Pixel -- I'm not very interested in going into another two-year installment plan, very unlikely to have $600-$1500 to pay up front, and buying a phone that won't have a security update from day one on my belt isn't very appealing. If I hadn't become dependent on Google Maps, it might be tempting to try to find a non-Android phone, so as not to have to worry about malware and hacking.

[@nickolas6060]

It's so u can never turn off the tracking and back-door access that the government uses to track u

[@jimmy999S]

For anyone interested in an experience similar to a removable battery, I can suggest battery cases/back covers.

[@doujinflip]

Issue there is it takes up the USB port (and often headphone jack if it still has one), and still isn't as slim and elegant as just swapping in an extended capacity battery.

[@jimmy999S]

@@doujinflip Maybe, maybe not, but it's not like there are any better options.

[@Mernom]

Speaking of old phone features: one of my oldest phones had a foldable keyboard, and a trackball. I REALLY would want a thing like this on my new device. The essential parts are much thinner nowadays, it won't be as much of a brick too!

[@danieldaniels7571]

I miss keyboards on smartphones so much

[@dadolphinplayz]

i dont give a shit if my phone is bulky i just want keyboard

[@stephensnell5707]

@@dadolphinplayz well you won't get that ever again on Modern Smartphones Also,modern Smartphones aren't like the early day brick counterparts and modern Smartphones have bigger capacity batteries and this makes the Smartphone last longer on each charge

[@calessel3139]

Back 20 years ago if your battery went out, you could run your phone by direct plug in with your charging cable. No battery needed. I miss that option.

[@fancylad7153]

fuck now that i realise its happening to laptops too

[@hanabiilesley]

Great content without any sponsored fragments, subbed

[@EgadsNo]

Voided warranty is technically bs. Well in the US anyway the Supreme Court ruled in the past that manufacturers must prove a repair or alteration caused fault for which the warranty repair is claimed.

[@itsme7570]

Dude the galaxy S4 was my favorite phone ever. Universal remote, removable batteries, bliss

[@ninjaghini9787]

Don't you think one of the reasons you can't remove the battery is that they who shall not be named with remote access can't control the phone if the battery is not installed?

[@thebigbadwolf1890]

The better to track you with, my dear...

[@SowetoBluez]

Its all so they can watch you at all times... your phone is never really dead even when its off.. it always reserves some power for the embedded protocols.

[@TahoeJones]

You can't just remove the battery because the phone is never really off anymore. It is still broadcasting location, and possibly any audio with the newest phones.

[@sl21ls]

I get everything else except the wireless charging part, the galaxy s4 and s5 had wireless charging (when you buy the wireless charging cover which is still made out of plastic) and there were other phones at the time and before that had wireless charging with a plastic back.

[@cyrilthefish]

I had what i think was the last flagship phone with a removeable battery (LG G5). Solely chose it for that feature. For my current phone, i stumbled upon a ifixit teardown of the Fairphone 3 and pretty much ordered one instantly. It's more midrange spec, but had everything i wanted. removeable battery, dual sim, modular design with replaceble parts and so on. And to make things even better, they released upgraded modules about a month ago, so i got to upgrade the cameras in my phone from 12/8mpixel rear/front sensors to 48/16mpixel ones :)

[@VitVoz]

Could have gotten 108MP with a non-removable battery phone tho

[@reezlaw]

I loved my removable batteries. Having backups on me completely eliminated any "range anxiety". Also being able to instantly shut down the phone was a great benefit

[@RetroGaming_07]

Agreed same here. It's a cool feauture like the headphone jack.

[@budbone1955]

My LG G6 started losing it's charge a few months back. AT&T said the battery could not be changed. I bought a new battery from Amazon. The instructions were included and it works great now !!!

[@michaelbrandon1222]

You can't remove the battery because they always want it to be on so you can always be tracked and recorded.

[@ForgottenLore]

Right to repair shills seethe when hearing this, yet it is fully the truth that it is this way because consumers wanted it. Having an waterproof, maintenance free design is how the market went because people have the money to replace their phones way before the batteries degrade, when the average users opens their device it has already failed in meeting the simplicity standard that makes phones desirable.

[@nicoldengenyakeye6905]

I don't use a smartphone. Just a feature phones and my PC. REST IN PEACE 🙏 MY NEXUS 5. YOU UNBRICKABLE BRUTE.

[@SMD1999]

Nexus 5 was my most favourite phone of all time

[@nicoldengenyakeye6905]

@@SMD1999 i had that phone for 8 bloody years

[@SMD1999]

That shit didn’t have a removable battery if I’m remembering correctly. How on earth did it last 8 years?!!?

[@nicoldengenyakeye6905]

@@SMD1999 I replaced the battery. The first one bloated soo much the back cover bent. I was lucky to find the second battery 3 years into its life and used that until it fell into a swimming pool. RIP

[@phoneemail2907]

how the fuck did you insert this emoji then

[@InformaticFreakTutorials]

6:18 Wireless charging also works with plastic cover and in combination with removable battery, like in the Microsoft Lumia 950 from 2015.

[@SirDiesAlot89]

My Samsung S6 active phone had wireless charging and also a plastic back.

[@johnpeter4184]

Just bought a new unlocked Note9 to replace the old LG V20. I already checked videos on battery replacement on the 9... That I can do. All my electronics are old news 😃 Thanks for the vid.

[@thinhhuynh1301]

I made me realize one important thing about the phone repairing business. Thanks

[@gotbletu]

now explain no micro SD card slot, that cant be the same as the ribbon on the battery issue =)

[@KSPAtlas]

My Pixel 2 has /storage/emulated/0 mounted to /sdcard for some reason

[@M1America]

Ah, I remember my galaxys3. I carried spare batteries too. They were the perfect size to keep in my wallet. So perfect.

[@noahpaulette1490]

One of my first smart phones was the Kyocera hydro icon. Tbh if they made the same thing maybe just a little bigger new specs and added an ir blaster. It would be my perfect phone. It was waterproof had a removable battery and Wireless charging. The rubberized back was really nice and has held up so far (stuff like tends to return back to being crude oil kek).

[@dizzyspinner648]

Of course, the fact that you don't want people removing the batteries from their tracking devices might have something to do with the trend.

[@MrGoatflakes]

You forgot to make it easier for glowies to find you and listen to you even when your phone is "turned off"...

[@AzVidsPro]

I used to do the battery swap thing with my NOKIA C2-01 What a great phone that was. I would get full 3 days of regular to intense use out of them. Mostly trying to beat my hi-score in bounce and snake and the many other games I downloaded off of waptrick.

[@ableite]

That was not a smartphone

[@AzVidsPro]

@@ableite it could do KZbin, Facebook, social. What defines a smart phone. The c201 might as well have been one. Also the best part, I could make my own .NTH themes. To me, its just another computer. It has a chip in it that I can control to do what I want. It could run java. Its not considered smart because there weren't many applications with smart features. Please correct me anywhere if I am wrong. I haven't had my 'dumb' phone for a while now.

[@RobotronSage]

@@ableite Was probably smarter than anything pushed out in the past 15 or so years they've been on the market. Trust me you don't know how much of a dissapointment these things have been for someone who literally dreamed of the day we would have ''computers'' that ''fit in our pockets'' The hardware is (was) better than anything i could have dreamed of. The software is literally a corporate scambox. Bro. And now they're skinnerboxing the hardware. Dude, i can't even explain how weird this shit is. Like, the world is being unironically scammed by companies these days. Has everyone lost their fucking minds?

[@karthikloki8304]

u can't completely switch off the phone it's always on

[@tombrown8992]

Correct and it always keeps extra battery life for tracking purposes even if you think it's empty

[@amir3515]

Do you think having a battery that can't be removed can make it easier to be surveilled since you can never be sure it's fully off

[@RobotronSage]

100%

[@CornDogJohn]

I used a have a phone with a broken charger port. Rather then pay money to get it fixed, I instead used a few paperclips and hooked up my samsung S3 battery to the prongs of some old flip phone and then charge the flip phone instead

[@RandomNJ]

As a former cell phone sales person. Replacement batteries were a very popular item. I feel like you just pulled the " lack of popularity" out of your ass.

[@Nevir202]

Really, what I’d like to see, is phones with flush contact points for charging, such that a battery case wouldn’t need to be a janky POS. Maybe even phones with NO internal battery, but battery cases standard. That allows you total waterproofing, while still leaving the battery outside the phone and easily replaceable.

[@nikolaskuklis5925]

I remember my mom telling me about washing phone (that was old and had removable battery) and it actually survived and worked for years 😅. On the other hand my Huawei P9 didn't and was in water for about a minute. In some cases possibility to remove the case to dry inside and remove battery so it doesn't kill the electronics (like it happened to my Huawei P9) is better in some cases at least to say that. But that's why i tried to find a phone case that makes phone waterproof (unsuccessfully)

[@durschfalltv7505]

Samsung Galaxy Scover Pro. Hi i have a Headphone Jack....Hi you can Remove my Battery....of course i am still ip68 rated....why shouldnt i :)

[@duckilythelovely3040]

*For money* that's it. make absolutey no mistake. They can easily make it waterproof despite a removable back. They do it, cause they put cheap batteries that die and degrade fast and they'd rather you pay 500-800+ dollars instead of 8-20 bucks for a battery.

[@DrVinylBcn]

I did as you, always i had removable battery and bringing with me 1 or 2 replacement.