Mercedes-Benz M113 carbureted engine swap into W124 AKA the Hillbilly Hammer. Engine details #1

I have a ton more information so I may have to do multiple videos on the engine build alone. Please ask away if any of this raises questions. Thanks for watching!

[@jikjakz9144]

a m113 with a carburetor. I've seen it all now... This is awesome man, I love it.

[@FryChicken]

"I've seen it all now" sums up my feelings exactly

[@bicylindrico]

@@FryChicken Ain't seen nothing yet chicken man. She just keep getting more blasphemous

[@FryChicken]

@@bicylindrico Pls Dyno it

[@psy-chopps]

@@bicylindrico please grand master, how do i do this to a m112?!?! i can weld and fab anything manifold wise, i just dont know how to make it fire. is speeduino all i need? i have an old ram i want to put my mercedes v6 in and have a monster turbo for it. i would really appreciate any info, thanks

[@edwardgooch6289]

Hello- I'm looking to put this engine into a 91' Mercedes 560 SEL. Tell me if you can what problems I will possibly face. Can I use the same trans that is in the car or will I have to use the trans that mates to that 113 engine?

[@bicylindrico]

Yes, you would need (and want) to use the 722.6

[@CarswithNash]

Very cool! I put a Ford V8 in mine.

[@bicylindrico]

Maybe starting to wish I had done the same! I am quite the SBF fan

[@DrxXLOfficial]

Do you also Convert the 7G Tronic into the W124 ? We do this Motor & Transmission swaps since 1994 in our Company i drive an Mercedes S210 E240 T with Biturbo modifikation and the 722.8 7G tronic from the W211, i drive with Stock Engine Parts and Software Updated Transmission(faster and Harder Shifting with 3 Modes Comfort/Sport +/Manuell With Paddels) 384HP and 487NM of Torque I drive it in Daily since 2015 and it drives Like its from the Factory ....I like youre work Hope you doing well with this `Projekt!

[@bicylindrico]

I am not aware of anyone making a controller for the 7 speed and think this would be rather difficult with most of the circuits and module being inside the transmission. I am happy with the 5 speed and it has proven to be more reliable than the 7 speed overall.

[@DrxXLOfficial]

@@bicylindrico Yes of course the 722.6 is an very good transmission ,that we can use the 7G on the M112 engine whas not easy we have to programm an Free Programming ECU for teh transmission and Canbus fixing for that but it works fine since 2015

[@ANDERZENAMG]

WOW, randomly searched for M113 with ITB's and found your channel. Awesome work! My channel is focused on my C55 AMG and ML55 AMG where I am currently working on a 6 speed swap for the C55. Subscribed! look forward to checking out your other content.

[@bicylindrico]

Great thanks! I will share that I drove a Chrysler Crossfire with a NA 55 M113 swap with the 6 speed. I had considered doing a manual 55 build but after driving that car I no longer plan to build one. I just don't like the way that 716 feels. I will definitely check out your channel

[@ANDERZENAMG]

bicylindrico that’s awesome! I will be using the 716 for now since it was so cheap to start with but plan to change it out in the future most likely, maybe a zf or 350z trans. Glad to have stumbled upon your channel, such awesome and unique content!

[@Knownworldwide]

Did you end up having to hack out a lot of the factory crossmember?

[@bicylindrico]

None. This engine uses the front sump/oil pump pickup and clears the factory chassis

[@HeimerChristian]

What car did you take the engine from ? Thinking it had the sump in the rear from the beginning?

[@bicylindrico]

2005 CLS500. Yes it had the rear sump and the scavenging oil pump setup. I converted to the pump/pan from an ML.

[@thelongranger55]

Great job , wish I could build one for a jet boat , What oil filter cap is that ?

[@bicylindrico]

That's the AMG cap from a 6.3

[@terrancechristy4328]

What type of headers you plan on putting on the m113

[@bicylindrico]

Currently running the inexpensive aftermarket header/manifolds you can find online. I will have to build my own headers as nothing else will fit

[@financialmistakesliving]

I just found this looking up cams for my E500. And Im inspired. This is awesome and I kind of want to do this to my W123 wagon!

[@jacekaniorallygenetics2212]

Nice job. Did you consider the length of the intake primaries?

[@bicylindrico]

No. My priorities were let's make this work and fit under the hood!

[@beemer1111]

Amazing!

[@opz5193]

Any updates on this build , I have the 01 -500 same motor basically, not cams tho that’s also bad ass !!! I have 2 of these one I want to rebuild and put in a classic muscle car - I would love to get my hands on that carb set , holly Jesus-lol

[@yachtkuza]

How did you go about deleting the secondary injection pump?

[@bicylindrico]

In what regard? The ports are easily covered with the intake manifold that would lead into the exhaust and the EGR port I plugged with a freeze-out plug. Please follow up with any additional questions.

[@yachtkuza]

@@bicylindricosorry about that. I’m curious about if you would have to code it out or add some resistor

[@bicylindrico]

This engine has nothing to do with a factory engine and runs on a carburetor and stand-alone ignition system. Neither one cares about secondary air injection.@@yachtkuza

[@yachtkuza]

@@bicylindrico ahh i understand. With my stock set up, i guess it would have to be coded out. Thank you for the clarification and i really enjoy your videos.

[@keithexum7312]

I love it awesome job! Still keeping it Mercedes’. Love the carb set up.

[@HaloHamstur]

How did you polish the valve covers? They look great.

[@bicylindrico]

Used a vibrating detail sander. The Magnesium does not 'hold' a polish. It will haze over after about a week and you will have to brighten up with a polishing compound like Mothers.

[@lotuslotus718]

Perfect job. How did you made coils fire with out computer

[@bicylindrico]

Megasquirt MS3Pro

[@chrishenniker5944]

When the When the Rover V8 went into history and out of production, I thought that the Mercedes, BMW and Jaguar mills would fill in the vacuum left behind. I believe they’re the next big thing in hot rodding.

[@bicylindrico]

But that was an old Buick pushrod V8 that utilized old hotrod principals. The German stuff just did everything differently. Better in my opinion but different nonetheless.

[@obaidaabdel-hadi9256]

Great video got me more excited, im about to but a 1991 w124 300E with 65k miles im thinking i can put m113k under the hood do u think it’s possible?

[@bicylindrico]

Anything is possible. It's a lot of work and the carb made it 'easier.'

[@derekbryant6137]

I got a crazy idea looking at this. What if something like that found it's way into a w460 g class.

[@bicylindrico]

Probably easier to just buy the 463 G500 and modify

[@blackboxmotorsport2685]

I have the same engine I'm dropping into a Humber Super Snipe, but keeping EFI using a Haltech Elite 2500 ECU. I'm really interested in the sump change, can you tell me where you got it from, or did you manufacture it yourself? Cheers!

[@bicylindrico]

There were 2 different variants. You will find the front pump setups in the M112 and M113 equipped W220, W164, R129 and probably the W210 chassis'. I am in dire need of a sequential ignition setup as the waste spark has it's downsides and wreaks havoc on my intake manifold. I too may have to invest some money into a nice high quality controller like the Haltech. Cheers!

[@masonbrown7962]

I have a 2006 e500 with a m113 what are some upgrades you recommend I currently daily drive it but will be turning into a project build

[@bicylindrico]

Cheapest would be to buy an actual E55 for the power gained. Camshafts, in my opinion, are the best bang for the buck on a standard 500. I have bought numerous sets on eBay for $200/set. Weekend project costing $300 with gaskets

[@chesar32]

AWESOME!! How did you get the valve cover to shine like? Very nice!!!!

[@bicylindrico]

Sadly they didn't last. Magnesium oxidizes very quickly so don't waste your time polishing them. I ended up painting them and they turned out even better

[@ericolsen67vw]

I bolted mine to the frame. It's actually fine. Can't even tell after you get used to it. I also made the tranny mount soild also. You'd be surprised

[@bicylindrico]

The engine mounts? If you see the video I posted "Best sounding cams' you will notice the camera shake which is the rearview mirror mount and that's with factory fluid filled engine mounts. I couldn't imagine this engine with solid mounts

[@nathangonzales2641]

Wow nice work 👍👍

[@mb1088147]

Would the stock intake manifold had fitted under the hood?

[@bicylindrico]

Yes, easily.

[@kbcarroll]

I'm restomodding a 69 Valiant. I can spend thousands squeezing 280hp out of the stock slant six, or swap in an extremely heavy iron block mopar v8. I'm strongly considering using a 5.4l NA m113 from a 98-02 55 AMG car with a stand alone ECU. Weighs 20 lbs over the slant six and almost triple the power.

[@bicylindrico]

I hear ya and the M113 is relatively cheap considering the quality. You can also choose front or rear sump to help fit your chassis. I have new billet cams being ground for this engine as well as a new intake so stick around

[@kbcarroll]

@@bicylindrico cheap and reliable for sure! I'm very familiar with these motors, I've had them in several of my AMG cars and they're bullet proof, reliable, cheap to maintain. You can get a basic 5L 300hp complete motor for $500 all day long, or a 396hp 5.4L AMG version for $1500 all day long. That's cheaper than any other performance engine on the market, and lighter, too

[@victoryroadperformance3131]

Assuming you did the cams based on your video of it running, We do camshafts, Shoot us an email, [e-mail], Happy to shoot you something for the build, Perhaps a set of log headers.

[@chr1ssss]

Why did you go to carb?

[@bicylindrico]

My personal reasons were 1. Simplicity, I can build an engine that will run just as good as if I installed a complicated fuel injection system. Literally just as good. 2. Throttle response. Fuel injection can only strive to be as good as a well tuned, accelerator pumped carb in this regard. It's as good as it gets. 3. It's unique. I like cars that are personalized with the owners hand crafted upgrades instead of just online purchased parts. I like nostalgia too. No, Benz never ran a 4 barrel double pumper carb but I bet this engine, like all the others, will run awesome with one so why not let her live a little.

[@goldar4846]

Thanks for the vid! Would love it if you could make more vids on rebuilding the engine and your modifications. Also very interested in your valvetrain/cam modifications :)

[@bicylindrico]

Thanks Amar. They're coming soon!

[@bicylindrico]

I want to make sure my camshaft/valvetrain setup works out and is reliable before going into what I did to make it work. The rest of the engine is entirely stock and I did not disassembly anything more than what I needed to for the swap and camshaft install.

[@jasmenter]

Very resourcefull info on the Steering Box, unfortunately it has to go, It does not clear the exhaust manifolds or it does not clear the block at all ?

[@bicylindrico]

Literally an inch or two from the exhaust port and no real opening to pass any exhaust pipe through. If you know what the M119 exhaust manifolds look like then you know how they made it work but a little much to work around for a hobby builder. The engine should be in for good very soon and I will discuss what needed to be done to make things work

[@jasmenter]

@@bicylindrico Thanks for the update, how about reversing the Exhaust manifolds L/H side to R/H side that would bring the exhaust forward and perhaps get to keep the Box. Indeed it's really tight !

[@bicylindrico]

@@jasmenter You would still have to modify that back corner. The manifold sticks out from the head pretty far. The steering rack actually required nothing more than a used W210 steering rack, large steel plate and a modified X164 steering coupler shaft. Nothing for the steering mounts required welding to the chassis. Also I will be running the standard W210 E430 p/s pressure line. It was one of the easier modifications I had to do

[@EDK681]

This is so awesome ! I’m trying to swap an m113 into an old 280 GE.. I’m not sure what gearbox I can use that will work without too much modification, I’m not too fussy I just want to get the thing working… I’d appreciate it if you could give me any tips or advice, I can also share videos and picture if you would like . Thank you !

[@bicylindrico]

I would think you would just need to swap the engine/trans from a 463 G500. No other trans than the 722.6 is going to swap between that engine and the transfer case.

[@EDK681]

@@bicylindrico thanks for your reply ! I tried the transmission from a 463 G500 but because my 460 doesn’t have speed sensors in the hubs it wouldn’t shift out of gear 1 :/

[@bicylindrico]

@@EDK681 You would need a 722.6 controller and a speed sensor on the rear transmission output shaft. There are several different manufacturers and I use OFGear.

[@EDK681]

@@bicylindrico that’s really helpful thanks a lot !

[@jasmenter]

Hey, i'm doing a M113 Turbo Conversion, what are you using as a transmission ? Having problems to source a decent flywheel / Clutch setup as well as a transmission.

[@goldar4846]

Hey I can supply parts for a 6 speed manual conversion. Drop me a message.

[@jasmenter]

@@goldar4846 Sure. Your contact?

[@bicylindrico]

I am running a 722.636 automatic from a C55. I did initially consider a manual for this engine installed into a small pickup truck. That is until I drove a Crossfire with a 55 engine installed and the 6 speed manual from the SLK. I just don't like the way that transmission feels and the clutch was terrible. I am glad I got to drive one before starting the build as I would have been disappointed. The owner enjoyed it though. Also I don't think those manuals are very beefy. At least you know the 722.6 can handle most of what you can throw at it when set up properly

[@jasmenter]

@@bicylindrico Thanks for your reply, with what you're controlling the 722.636? I'm considering a standalone ECU for the Transmission control but it's pricy.

[@bicylindrico]

Also the car I drove, I was actually hired to replaced the slave cylinder on so I did get to see how the swap was done. The flywheel was a thick solid unit that replaced the dual mass one Benz used. It also had a shim placed between the block and bellhousing. The kit looked to be a pretty nice setup and everything worked just fine but that transmission feels rubbery to me between gears.

[@TofumanFC3S]

Quick lazy question: Of which model is the flat oil filter cap u got there? And lastly: U got an Instagram, bro?

[@bicylindrico]

That would be an AMG cap from like an E63 or something later like that. Also that is the SLK55 oil filter and cap. It's nice and flat/low profile. with the hex in the center. Sorry no other social media stuff

[@TofumanFC3S]

bicylindrico Thanks man, will look into it

[@bicylindrico]

@@TofumanFC3S #113-180-03-10 is the low clearance oil filter assembly. Paid $43.50 USD for it. It takes a slightly shorter oil filter than the standard M113. Mann HU715/6x

[@TofumanFC3S]

bicylindrico Thanks! I’ll decide wether I’d rather have the larger filter surface or the cleaner look 👍

[@TofumanFC3S]

Looks like your a couple steps ahead of my personal, similar project: M113 55 N/A into a 124 Coupe. Obv. I am dealing with more clearancing needed to fit the engine, but I’m still happy I went with the slightly more compact and lighter M113 over M119

[@bicylindrico]

Man you should do some quick videos on your build. I would love to see how others have found solutions to getting this swap to work. There are always a hundred ways to making something work and its great to see how different minds come to those solutions. I have loved the M113 for years as its so simple and compact. The M119 may have more power potential but not without significantly more headaches.

[@TofumanFC3S]

bicylindrico You know what? I might... I’m more at the parts collecting now. Got the engine out of a CL55 with the gearbox and front brakes. Basically got the whole subframe but won’t be needing that nor the suspension and steering rack (altho I did consider transplanting the whole thing for a sec 🤪). Also got the ofgear TCU but still undecided on which ECU I wanna run. Have also thought up something for the intake that I’ll share if it works out as plannen 😬 But first I need to finish up on the 3.6 AMG M104 in my W201, that’s why you’ll probably be running when I start to really dig into the M113

[@goldar4846]

@@TofumanFC3S Let us know if you decide to make vids!

[@bicylindrico]

@@TofumanFC3S Hoping to drop the engine in next weekend. It is going to look amazing in there.

[@TofumanFC3S]

Amar P I will man 👍

[@seba86czwa]

Have you been on dyno with this engine after mods?

[@bicylindrico]

I have not and I really don't care how much power it makes so in no rush to get dyno'd

[@seba86czwa]

@@bicylindrico I'm just curious how much HP those changes what you made make in engine ;)

[@bicylindrico]

@@seba86czwa I hear ya I wouldn't mind knowing myself just to make improvements. There were just so many changes made and I don't think the intake manifold helped me at all and probably hurt me. But it was never made for increasing performance. I actually have a tunnel ram that is close enough to make up some adapter plates and make it fit. Even more hillbilly

[@joejernst]

I would love to talk to you about the cam regrinding. I've been looking into having that done on my m113k that I swapped into a W208 CLK55.

[@bicylindrico]

Did you find anyone?

[@joejernst]

@@bicylindrico Not yet. I was hoping to hear more from you about what modifications you had to make to the valvetrain to make a high lift/duration cam work. Daniel Crower said (based on pictures alone) that he thought it would take some shimming of the hydraulic "lifters", but that he could regrind for more lift without doing any weldup.

[@bicylindrico]

@@joejernst Honestly I have held off because most guys looking to do camshaft swaps probably aren't wanting to rebuild their valve-train but want a 'swap.' I am into hotrodding which means most things are trial and error and it may destroy an engine in that process. I am not sure Dan wants the grief either and I am guessing he would expect people doing a regrind would be willing to make that gamble but we all know most want proven products. I also drive this car maybe once a month and many guys installing camshafts think it's still a daily driver. Only time will tell with these kinds of mods but most don't want to roll the dice on thousands of dollars

[@joejernst]

@@bicylindrico That's understandable. I'm a hotrodder too - I'm planning a fully-built M113k with custom rods, pistons, sleeves, cams, and headwork. I'm trying to make my CLK into an 8.50 car. I think I sent you my email address in an MBWorld PM. You can reply to that if you want to continue the conversation; if not that's fine too.

[@luketranmer375]

@@bicylindrico still would be great to see a quick vid of a cover pulled and go over valvetrain mods you’ve done. As you say some will want drop in but there’s obviously some of us that are willing to put in the work, not expecting you to have done 100k+ miles of oem testing on stuff. looking at the cat cams website on their wilder cam specs they state what needs modifying to work as well as to check valve to piston clearance, on the lift you went for did you check clearance and if so was there much more in the bag?

[@comihag]

Is it possible to swap a supercharged 5.5 m113 into a w140 s500?

[@bicylindrico]

Anything is possible if you can fabricate. That chassis never came with the M113 so you will have to start from scratch. Lots of work!

[@chr1ssss]

what ignitors are you using with the coils? are you firing all 16 plugs?

[@bicylindrico]

Wasted spark

[@nickmbithi8560]

Do u mind sharing how u wired the coils...

[@nathancoburn6428]

@@bicylindrico I tried using the link you shared for the speed duino set up but I wont take me to the right page.. is there a place I can perches this or at least get the sketch?

[@bicylindrico]

@@nathancoburn6428 Check out his eBay store or just contact him directly. The guy is super friendly and helpful . www.ebay.com/str/detonationems

[@nathancoburn6428]

Thank you it worked!! Sorry if I may I have a few more questions as I am do UK ng essentialy rhe same build with the 500 and 124 chassie I am curious if you had to program the arduino or did he do all the programming for you? And if so is the maga squirt program the one to download to be able to change engine parameters?? Also I have a Holley sniper I was thinking of throwing it on there.. think I qpukd have issues with making in ng that work with the ignition system?