Mercedes' secret F1 test controversy

[@guitarsimon1]

After decades of 'The FIA has inspected the FIA and found the FIA is not at fault', I think we need a new external judicial body to oversee the FIA on these matters such as these.

[@groundedgaming]

That's the maFIA!

[@christiansimmons630]

Isn’t that what the World Motorsport Council is for?

[@Kraken-hz7cx]

@@christiansimmons630 the world motorsport council is a group the creates the rules and regulations for motorsports. it doesnt intervene in legal matters

[@therealf.b.i9468]

They won't allow that due to corruption inside the FiA it self

[@madeovstarstuff]

​@@groundedgamingAD21😢

[@sandalphoncpu]

It’s pretty ironic that those “terrible” Pirelli tires were what made the seasons in 2011, 2012, and the first half of 2013 so much more exciting than in recent years. There were a large variety of strategies throughout the teams due to the unpredictability of those tires, and there were some proper racing from the front to the back.

[@daarom3472]

there is proper racing now as well from front to back. It's just Max that is the anomaly atm. That being said I would like there to be some more rules around forced pit stops, maybe force teams to run every compound every race or something!

[@trappenweisseguy27]

Pirelli were making tires with wear rates that the FIA were asking for and getting pilloried for doing so 🤷‍♂️. I felt sorry for them back then was waiting for them to quit the sport as they were getting literally nothing out of F1.

[@ruubvanhulst]

And remember the awesome 2012 season where the first 7 races got 7 different winners. We could only dream of that!

[@someoneunseen5168]

I want to see racing. Not a tyre management championship.

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

It didn't just have to do with the Pirelli tyres though. Multiple teams produced competitive cars in the V8 era. The turbo hybrid era has just been a one team swan song for the most part.

[@Warmagon]

Having a contract that says "each competitor... shall be invited" and inviting only one team seems like some BS to me. Since it says "up to 1000km ... at the provider's request" later on there probably is room to lawyer around it, but it still seems like there's a clear intent of relatively fair access to additional testing (that does seem like it screws over a new team). Either the test needed to have more teams and share more stuff, or the run plan should have required older cars.

[@brandonstevens4513]

Only letting some teams participate in the test, but not all... sounds familiar, no? Oh wait that's right. The rule in Abu Dhabi where Masi let only some cars through, but not all. I wonder if that day the FIA, was like, let's make up for screwing this one up. Feels like the those making decisions on these sorts of things haven't improved in 10 years. Maybe the FIA should have someone who's primary language is English discuss the implications of critical decisions before they're made so it's not an issue later?

[@BType13X2]

@@brandonstevens4513 What does that have to do with the price of fish. Abu Dhabi has the benefit of taking place during an actual race with limited time to make a decision. This test had no ticking clock on it, there was plenty of time to go about it the correct way. Instead they went about it in the worst way possible. This wasn't some sort of effort to make right a wrong that happened a decade ago it is its own brand of stupidity. Being clear here I do not necessarily agree with Abu Dhabi but I am sick and tired of it being brought up when discussing completely unrelated matters.

[@darrenjohn8524]

​@@BType13X2Cult Lh are permanently stuck in 2021🤣

[@jeffsteyn7174]

Shall doesn't mean all 😂

[@Slaeowulf]

@@darrenjohn8524 I mean everyone but Crashtappen fangirls agree it was rigged. And I say that as an Aussie.

[@mathieuestibals2319]

This was a very pleasant watch. Something that’s never talked about but was huge at the time, especially that in 2013 Mercedes was a qualifying beast but race pace turtle, the rumours and controversy around all this was fantastic back then aha! Thanks for making a video about it. P.S: next video idea could be the Monaco 2014 (I think) GP when Rosberg “mistakenly” missed his braking point before the hairpin corner etc, fascinating stories imo

[@kls2020]

From what I remember Mercedes cars were very hard on their tyres before this secret test but then after the test the new tyres worked perfect for Mercedes but now all of the other teams on the grid couldn't seem to get any heat in their new tyres.

[@jackmiller-johnston8689]

A tyre test with current spec machinery, with no other team either invited, nor aware of the test even happening. This stank to high heaven of corrupt orchestration

[@christiansimmons630]

None of which was on Mercedes though. I really can’t see how they’re at fault for any of this. Had it been Ferrari or Red Bull the situation would’ve been exactly the same This just shows massive failings on behalf of the FIA and Pirelli

[@andrewa9700]

@@christiansimmons630 You're right it wasn't a current spec, it was a version of the car that was being brought to race later that season which is even more suspect.

[@christiansimmons630]

@@andrewa9700 again, that’s a problem for the FIA who cleared the cad for use 🤷🏼‍♂️ every other team would’ve done the same - again against the spirit of sport but that doesn’t exist

[@soltnpeppah2331]

its like being the only team who cheats the budget cap and gets away with it while claiming the were wronged LOL

[@andrewa9700]

@@christiansimmons630 Oh really, they all would? Because the video literally mentioned that Ferrari ran an older spec car in a tire test that only they were doing... 8:30

[@benediktwindisch2778]

2013 could have been so more. Still doesn't takes away anything from Seb but would've been cool if Kimi with all his 2nd places and maybe one, two more victories could fight for the title. And ruin the Lotus-Renault team even more financially. The livery of these cars were awesome by the way

[@ForzaPolska06]

It wouldn't have ruimed them anymore Kimi wasn't chasing that money they owed to him

[@silviuandrei4207]

He couldn't get more money out of them, maybe he would have been awarded some of their assets in a trial

[@potatogirlcultist19]

@@silviuandrei4207 Wait, so your saying in an alternate universe where Pirelli never changed the construction of the tyres, Kimi wins the World Championship and reforms ICE1 Racing from the ashes of Lotus to challenge for the championship in 2014?

[@Chickentorchic]

Mercedes controversy for both engine and tires. Ferrari with the fuel sensor and RB with the budgetcap. People nowadays are quick to forget top teams literally will do anything to win. Thanks for this upload reminding everyone that all top teams do anything in their power to get an advantage

[@andredanieldasilvaleite3672]

Problem is Ferrari got punished for it, Redbull too, to a certain degree

[@thepolishnz]

@@andredanieldasilvaleite3672 and merc got the most dominant period in f1 history since him clark

[@J.R377]

@@andredanieldasilvaleite3672you bring home the exact point of the original comment… every fkn team cheats, is busted and sometimes punished sometimes not, the mistreats level out over time. What pisses me off is the attitude sone teams and drivers bring to the grid positioning themselves as the truly deserving and always fair playing hailsbringer

[@Digital2Jack]

Thanks for the content, as always !

[@WeAreTheRace]

Thanks!

[@joineralbert2493]

​​@@WeAreTheRacethere are loads of people thanking you , they get no reply , must be the €2...........

[@bastiaanw]

@@joineralbert2493 Obviously it's the 2 euros. You want them to reply to every single comment? Imagine that.

[@AnthonySmith-nn4cr]

This is exactly the kind of content I love and want more from you guys, history in general is so intriguing to me as a drive to survive baby, but add in some drama and its 10/10

[@Johan4WD]

They even use other race numbers on the cars. 😂 scandal 1000%!

[@adsadsaddFQ]

😂

[@Andrew-rd4ig]

😂

[@andrewa9700]

Also wtf does security have to do with the decision to wear their normal painted helmet 😂

[@Johan4WD]

Maybe ask @wtf1 channel for a video on this 😂😂

[@DoMw94]

Other? No, Mercedes ran #9 and #10 in 2013. This was before the permanent driver numbers were introduced

[@User-dd2xv]

If Mercedes still had Ross Brawn in 2021 they would have walked away with that championship. He reads the rule book inside and out.

[@alexnowis2468]

I remember this breaking at the time & I was stunned that Mercedes got away with this, clearly an advantage was gained by Mercedes.

[@SantosOverlord]

likely, but it doesnt really look like it was their fault so they couldnt get punished, both FIA and Pirrelli screwed up

[@christiansimmons630]

What advantage did they get? 🤔 the 2013 tyres they tested where withdrawn from use just a few of races later because they kept falling apart when a stiff breeze hit them Mercedes where banned from the young driver test that allowed them to evaluate the replacement tyres to be used for the rest of the season - so they were actually disadvantaged compared to every other team

[@ChristopherBuenviaje]

@@christiansimmons630 That was 1000kms on the current spec car which in season was banned for years prior. That's always an advantage. However you spin in Mercedes cheated and the punishment they got was very weak.

[@christiansimmons630]

@@ChristopherBuenviaje nope wrong. Pirelli asked for the 2013 car and the FIA gave the green light. You cannot blame them for that

[@robfer5370]

"Mercedes got away with this" What are you on about it was PIRELLI running the test not Merc!! The ones at fault are the FIA and Pirelli!!! Merc were merely invited to take part in the test.

[@camrsr5463]

I think any testing should be done by the worst teams.

[@Erfa02]

No caus that gives a bad reflection of the tiers, the better teams has better card for the most and can keep life in tyers better. Think how bad haas keep life in the tyers, Then pirelli Maybe think the tyers are bad. But in fact it was just the haas car

[@dustindkaimilroy9724]

@@Erfa02 thats why it should be done with multiple teams front and back to give an accurate representation of the tiers

[@yqzu]

@@dustindkaimilroy9724 exactly

[@ihsanjayadi88]

@@dustindkaimilroy9724no, it would give a skewed result. The bad characteristic of backmarker cars should not be a part of the tyre construction.

[@troll_486]

"Im sure developing an engine so early and secret testing of tires have done absolutely nothing to 2014 regulations change!!! Can't wait to see them struggle for points in the next era!!" ~noone, never

[@matthewkenyon-wimbush6151]

Actually they barely had their engine ready by the start of the 2014 season look it up it was quite a shitshow

[@bhargavpavuluri3118]

​@@matthewkenyon-wimbush6151Yeah they barely had the engine ready so that their customers jumped up the grid even with poor AERO

[@troll_486]

reliability doesn't mean performance bro and even then, the rumour was they were cruising on Lean mix [1] for entire season

[@Jay-nk6dm]

2011 all teams agreed to the new hybrid rules. 2011 all teams agreed to delay the new engines from 2013 to 2014. Mercedes decided to start the engine program early and divert resources from current gen cars. Any one else could have done this, but nobody had the foresight to do. thats not mercedes fault you clown

[@bhargavpavuluri3118]

@@troll_486 Really. I didn't know. Explain to me How many DNFs Williams as in 2014 due to power unit problems. They finished 3rd with a chassis that wouldn't even be in top 5 with same power unit. How did you jump up from the bottom half to the top half? Once other Engines caught up by 2017 they were relegated once again to the bottom half. I commend the Mercedes foresight and commitment to develop a dominant PU package for a regulation change. But they always were shady especially when it comes to Pirelli.

[@mitchdaytonam3]

It’s bloody lucky 95% of Merc’s current fans weren’t watching F1 in 2013, otherwise they’d have been mortified.

[@iamumair666]

By what?

[@CCH5]

Were YOU watching in 2013?

[@isaacm2374]

Seeing as most Mercedes fans are Lewis fans that have moved over from McLaren I think most have followed the sport a lot longer than other fanbases.

[@soltnpeppah2331]

Source: trust me bro

[@arnoldmbuthia2687]

don't be weird. this is a normal day at f1.

[@JustinW2980]

Great Summer break video. I had forgotten this thing happened. Probably explains well why it hasn’t happened since.

[@potatogirlcultist19]

I saw the title and though "lol they've done it again!" only to realise it was a recap when I saw the thumbnail.

[@KoenBlank]

I do remember the tyre blowouts and only vaguely remember this controversy. Thank you for this video on the topic with more detail than I think I ever got.

[@otterplays8156]

Merc fans are awfully quiet about this when they bring up the 400k catering bill.

[@soltnpeppah2331]

1,8 million cheese burger bill because 1,8 million was used on car performance for super max who was so super he couldn't catch granpa hamilton with and downgraded w11. 8 consecutive title cope with it LOL

[@CrusaderAce24]

I'm not sure what else should Merc have done considering they were inviting by Pirelli with approval from the FIA themselves. Red Bull fans are the funniest of the lot

[@mikey380sx]

@@soltnpeppah2331you must be fun at parties

[@vitreo1363]

I missed where the FIA gave Red Bull permission to spend 1.8m before the other teams…

[@hectornecromancer5308]

@@vitreo1363 they got wind tunnel testing time reduced further more for breaking the cost cap tho

[@cdeppracing216]

This tyre test was just the cherry on top of Mercedes three year head start on hybrid PU development.

[@rush8481]

Explain their 3 year head start and I'll happily unravel whatever you can come up with. Carry on...

[@2005StangMan]

@@rush8481for real. That's such a nonsense line of thought. Everyone had the same insights as to which direction the FIA were going to go with new regs. Merc just tried a different design than everyone else and it worked very well. They tried the same with zero-pods and it didn't. There's no guarantee in motor racing design.

[@Ruylopez778]

@@rush8481 Sam Bird stated on BBC Five Live that Merc were exclusively supplying sim data to the FIA in 2010, and could "steer the regulations to suit their powertrain". But I suspect you have excuse about what that doesn't count. It is commonly known that Merc had a working ICE cylinder on the dyno before the regulations were even finalised, isn't it? And that although they had to modify that design to comply with the regulations, it was actually an overall benefit in their development. And they also were continuously working with McLaren on the KERS system, and applied that data to the hybrid PU. I don't think Merc and HPP are as squeaky clean as they like to claim.

[@-natsukashii2727]

@@rush8481 where the unraveling at?

[@alexlacl8730]

​​@@Ruylopez778You just can blame Ferrari and Renault for bottling their veto about the PU hybrid development Mercedes legally started earlier than anyone on the I4 engine regulations and hybrid v6 aswell

[@keonxd8918]

I swear, some people saw the title and proceed to comment about their feelings and emotions to the whole world and didn't watch the whole video at all

[@kashishwadhawan6193]

If it wasnt in bad faith then 1. Why did the drivers wear black helmet 2. Why the numbering on the car changed 3. Why didnt merc or pirelli disclose this to the team 4. Why was it kept under wraps And people cry when rb went 200k above budget. Hypocrisy

[@isaacm2374]

Mercedes didn't gain any advantage from the testing. They were there to help Pirelli and the sport.

[@dahorn100011]

Because red bull actually broke the cost cap rules...

[@Neutralino]

@@isaacm2374They clearly did gain an advantage from the test.

[@TMWT]

Comparing this insignificant tyre test to going over budget in a cost cap era, these DTS fan takes are funny

[@Dave-qn9dj]

2.2mil

[@alexlandonable]

GREAT piece of content, good job guys.

[@MJC-yo5kj]

The person in the seat was actually the og stig from old top gear

[@TheOnlyKarkar]

This story sounds like something out of the 80s that would make an appearance on BBV10s. Great video Ed

[@tonypike8774]

Great story, well told.

[@BKKLB]

I don't understand why they only would have run testing with one car. It seems they should have put out an all call and had testing done at the end of a race weekend with a car from each of the teams.

[@MrWimbomahadi]

logistic, then the tires itself, make multiple tires for entire or half the grid need time. it already stated in the video, invite the entire teams would posponed the test by months

[@Bananektdu]

Ok, so they have a 1000 kilometers per yer, this is about 6 to 8 hours of driving, depending on the track, for ONE car only. Do you see the issue now? Make it 10 cars, 1 for each team (or 11, or whatever the amount was in 2013, crazy year). That years spanish gp had 66 laps, 307.024 km (190.826 miles). If you allowed 10 cars to run, they would have like 20-25 mins each.

[@justliech3948]

WHAT??? Mercedes being shady?? They would never do anything like that

[@Md.WasiHasan]

Bruh Mercedes was always shady

[@justliech3948]

@@Md.WasiHasan mate, it was supposed to be irony

[@soltnpeppah2331]

Kinda like redbull although mercedes doesnt claim they are being wronged due to British bias LOL

[@TMWT]

Pirelli chose Mercedes, not the other way around lol

[@garbage2882]

@@soltnpeppah2331 how is Redbull shady? Mercedes in 2020 intoduced DAS, no one even knew about it until they saw the onboards, isn't that shady?

[@g0dsgreen]

Hewis Lamilton and Rico Nosberg

[@fenrir_szn6978]

What watch is he wearing at 0:30 ?

[@drymice500]

It’s been ten years? God, I feel old now. 😂

[@klarkqent]

Lewis and Fernando's careers are covered by the dark cloud of the biggest controversy's of the sport but we only hear about AD21

[@alifmohammadmagdy]

His first world title was a direct result of spygate but hey let’s not talk about that

[@sabataskull9661]

​@@alifmohammadmagdy All his "titles"are "won" by unfair advantage.

[@albertoatx307]

Great summary

[@gasoowannab]

And lewis fans say red bull is corrupt. Merc has been corrupt for years. Even abu dhabi wasn't red bulls fault but merc fans still wont let up. Stuff like this IS mercs fault. This along with head start on turbo hyrid era, changing pit stop rules mid season 2021, raising car heights 2022, this example, another request to raise car heights in 2023. How many examples do you merc fans need to see your team is dirty as they come.

[@bluebillbo]

That Ferrari quote is hilarious given what happened with their "oil drip" engine a few years later

[@JacobFBG]

They weren't proved to have broken any rules though. They can't be punished for something they technically didn't do?

[@dylanburston7453]

@@JacobFBG And they punished far more for something that couldnt be proved. The 2020 PU was down roughly 60 HP or so, and it completely screwed Ferraris concept up and destroyed Hass and Alfa in the process. The 2021 Ferrari was faster at most tracks despite the reduced downforce from the cut floor, the only team to do so, and it was the same chassis

[@JacobFBG]

@@dylanburston7453 Well yeah in that way they were technically punished. The FIA implemented a new fuel flow sensor which made it impossible for Ferrari to continue without clearly breaking the rules. My points is that they weren't directly punished.

[@enzoardente4474]

​@@JacobFBGAlthough the FIA didn't catch Ferrari doing anything explicitly wrong they were still very suspicious of Ferrari and had some idea of what Ferrari was doing. It's no coincidence that Ferrari immediately lost pace after the technical directive the FIA issued afterwards.

[@JacobFBG]

@@enzoardente4474 They definitely knew what they were doing, they just weren't able to prove it.

[@hhhernandez15]

Another classic from Edd. The story telling from you lot is better than your race by race updated on race weekends.

[@mikekovacich2925]

Merc played politics and lobbied the FIA to selected the hybrid engine regulations which they already had a engine for. The last 2 years is what happens when merc doesnt get a 3 year head start on the regulations. Hopefully they can catch up so we can get some exciting races.

[@alexlacl8730]

Lmao that's blatant lies. It was Renault group and Ferrari especially Di Montezemelo who pushed it

[@guidopetruolo7524]

Oh, what a coincidence. This happened and then 2014... From 4th team to absolute domination

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Except 2013-2014 were completely different specs, from a wholly different engine configuration outwards. Nice try though.

[@guidopetruolo7524]

For sure! Then tire management did not matter in 2014 because of the hybrid engines?? Come on. Mercedes was an amazing team with extremely capable personel and significant resources to get those regulations perfectly. But they also had some nice advantages

[@Heathen.Deity.]

@@guidopetruolo7524 they didn’t test any aspect of the 2014 car. It was a 2013 car, thus very different to the following year’s car. You’re grasping at straws.

[@wikuskruger21]

I wanted to call it out also. So in 2014 Mercedes dominated. Surely some results and data where shared to have their 2014 car built around what they learned in those tests....

[@unfortunately_fortunate2000]

Mercedes had played a rather pivotal role in helping to shape the turbo hybrid regs we saw from 2014-2016, one sketchy tire test does not make a championship dominating team.

[@jeffsteyn7174]

The moment the lawyer said "we can take the position" tells me that they were talking about how can they spin this.

[@jazepoo]

I was so confused, I thought I clicked on a link from 10 years ago.

[@ruudkooijman819]

Maybe this created a special relationship between Pirelli and Mercedes that was the base of the in season 2021 tyrechange that benefitted Mercedes bigtime. Its also funny Ferrari and Mercedes are complaining that much about Redbulls penalty afer both having such a lenient punishment after this tyretest and the illigal fuelflow scandals.

[@thepolishnz]

Fia always protects the income. That's why they always protect the top team and Ferrari. Mainly because they buckle when Ferrari threatens to leave if it doesn't get it's way. Like Ferrari would. They need f1 more than f1 needs them

[@freds7790]

and how could they get a 3 year head start with the hybrid engine on the rest of the teams ? and what about the flexing front wing in 2020 ? etc etc

[@davidnoels2586]

love the story 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@kashishwadhawan6193]

And merc fanboys cry about 200k spent by rb last year huhhh hypocrites

[@Sam-te9sj]

Tell us you didn't watch the video without telling us you didn't watch the video lol

[@camp_bell6929]

Fascinating stuff. I have zero recollection of this going down at the time but it sounds like classic F1 through and through.

[@IsaacSturdee]

This is why Mercedes can't point the finger at Red Bull these days... this was the beginning of a dominant era for Mercedes. Ignorance does not imply innocence.

[@micknaughty]

Yea a tyre test wasnt the start of that. It was adapting to the regs better. Clearly they could have had any time and still did what they did.

[@baclava69]

What merc and hama did to the sport will take years to recover from, im very happy teams cannot just buy championships anymore

[@Joselu22]

Conveniently forgot to include in this video Lewis Hamilton's tweet saying he was at Disneyland..

[@DoraCole-z5j]

They even use other race numbers on the cars. scandal 1000%!. GREAT piece of content, good job guys..

[@benbunch4159]

This would be the last time in the history of F1 that confusion between “each” and “all” would lead to controversy.

[@ryanzutell1423]

Omg let’s go! I love the race putting their resources and Ed’s voice to history projects like this

[@Xs2...]

Good - more or less - indepth video/item. This was more or less put to the back of my head. But once halfway I recognized some stuff. A big issue back then.

[@strongarmclimbing]

Horner looks so young, damn.

[@Neutralino]

The start of the 2013 season was so promising, but screw ups by Pirelli wrecked the season and gave Red Bull a huge advantage.

[@titancheat]

Vettel ☝️

[@fix0the0spade]

F1 told Pirelli to make tyres that lasted no more than 1/3rd of the race, had heavier steel belts to aid traction (less likely to spin up under power) and have a higher optimal temperature so the compounds offered more grip and faster. Pirelli did all of those things, but also set minimum safe pressures and maximum safe camber angles, which the teams proceded to ignore completely. The end result was complete chaos and Pirelli rightly took a lot of heat for it, but I always thought the teams and FIA didn't take enough of the blame for the situation. Pirelli ultimately built the tyres they were asked to build, it was the teams that used them in a dangerous way and the FIA that didn't stop them. Since then Pirelli have been far more assertive in how the tyres were designed, built and used, to the point of minimum pressures and max camber angle being enforced in the rules now.

[@MoptopTofer]

@@andrewa9700 Hardly, Pirelli were always updating the tire construction and Mercedes' domination was much more down to them nailing the regulations.

[@soltnpeppah2331]

@@andrewa9700 becaues in case netflix didnt explain to you the following year were new regulation mostly about the engine where Mercedes excelled and redbull sucked because they re an energy drinks company who relied on renault

[@andrewa9700]

​@@MoptopTofer 9:45 It's like you ignore the fact the merc got an engineering report from Pirelli on that tire test. Only them... A lot easier to nail it because you have data all the other teams don't. Also if you outspend everyone by miles you're gonna build a winner. The RB and Merc teams invented the cost cap era

[@yudhabagaskara98]

This is why mercedes is suddenly competitive in 2013

[@alexlacl8730]

They were not. They were slower than Lotus and Ferrari

[@harriermk2]

gota love the drama behind the scenes at f1, always somthing new to talk about

[@AlessandroSpenga]

A polite suggestion: I would consider using a de-esser on your next video. All S and T sound very harsh.

[@ViN86]

"It is somewhat perplexing to say the least to see that the guilty party can get away virtually scot free for having derived 'an unfair sporting advantage' " Ironic coming from Ferrari after 2019....

[@unthenner5519]

That’s not how irony works

[@kevincarvalho363]

Meanwhile Mclaren, Williams, Alpine, Alphatauri, Haas and Aston Martin: 🍿🍿🍿🍿

[@alcoyne3333333333333]

I stiil don't like the way Pirelli are always involved in decisions in F1 and treated like stars in the f1 media

[@octavernuez]

Y Mercedes y Hamilton dicen que ellos nunca hacen nada malo para ganar ventaja sobre los demas y que son unos santitos,.. La corrupcion de la FIA con Mercedes,...

[@sabataskull9661]

Por eso los últimos títulos de Mercedes están manchados. No valen nada.

[@brianbouley2117]

Maybe design for midfield cars to raise the grid up instead of picking the frontrunner to help them keep gaining on everyone else?

[@Jojo_Bee]

The same compound tires, carried on until 2014 to 2016. IF I am NOT mistaken?

[@sandalphoncpu]

Ah yes the early 2010s. Also the era where the Ferrari International Assistance slowly became the MaFIA.

[@swordsman1137]

Joking aside, FIA siding with Ferrari is weird take. Because 2003 and 2005 there are some rule change to stop Ferrari domination.

[@theonlylolking]

I thought it was FIAMG?

[@sandalphoncpu]

@@swordsman1137 With your logic, I guess maFIA is a weird take as well because the FIA also made rule changes in 2017, 2019, and 2021 to ban some components that made Mercedes so dominant. In actual facts, any team who’s very dominant will have rule changes specifically made to stop them. But what makes both Ferrari and Mercedes being a favorite from the FIA is that they either got benefited far more than other teams whenever the rules weren’t made against them, or they got away scot free whenever they’re punished. Like what the vid showed. Ferrari and the Ferrari drivers were known to have penalty immunity like the Mercedes of today. Earliest example was the illegal use of team orders in 2010. There are countless examples from the Schumacher-Ferrari days as well

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

I like these videos looking back on events.

[@Togynar]

Yeah, yeah, just another Mercedes x Pirelli inside deal, nothing new. Very likely not the only time Mercedes interpreted the rules in their own way or actually managed to change the rules in their favor.

[@slap_k_man1862]

It's amazing how in each teams Era of domince there some sort of illegal thing red bull over spend merc tires Ferrari team orders McLarens engine/drivers

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

I Still Very Remember This One, Mainly How Terrible Was Pirelli At The 2011-2013 Seasons. 17/08/2023 13:30.

[@thepolishnz]

But but but ReD bUlL oVeR sPeNt

[@51bikerboy]

Mercedes is the one who's pot calls the kettle black!

[@Matt-lg6vk]

Amazes me to this day that Mercedes got off with no penalty . (Not allowed to complete in young driver test is only a penalty to the Mercedes young drivers )

[@dantheracer16]

Hard to believe this was already 10 years ago. At the time I was of the opinion that Mercedes got off lightly and I still hold that opinion. The fact that they struggled through the entire Pirelli era to that point to control rear tyre temps, and then immediately after that test they were having less problems told you all you needed to know. Red Bull just had a whinge for the sake of it because the change of construction of the tyres helped Red Bull, Mercedes (funny that!) and Sauber but massively nerfed Ferrari, Lotus and Force India. For me Pirelli didn't do anything wrong conducting the tyre test and if Mercedes wanted to do it should have been with a 2010-11 car. Or alternatively if Pirelli wanted a current car they could have gotten a backmarker from that year; Marussia, Caterham or Williams to do the test. Wouldn't have been anywhere near as controversial.

[@2005StangMan]

Aim your frustrations at the FIA then, since they're responsible. And if the test is the advantage you claim it to be, the backmarkers would have leapfrogged the competition, and would have had a larger relative gain on their direct competitors.

[@paperbea]

I took a shot everytime he said test.. annd naow eye cann't stan up or tepe right!

[@F1Guy-Guy]

Its Hamilton It was Hamilton the black fella in the black car 😂😂😂

[@beautifulcatastrophe]

As We Predicted 😂

[@forresttm]

Tyre testing should be done by the team that's last. Give them a little chance 😂

[@Hammertime4404]

So basically, it seems the issue here again is the FIA, not being clear in what is allowed/not allowed then punishing the parties involved when they act off the FIA “guidance”

[@madeovstarstuff]

Teams never "understood" certain elements within the FIA rulebook.. it's funny as they have highly skilled and paid legal teams to sift through regulations and clauses

[@Hammertime4404]

@@madeovstarstuff did you watch the video? They passed it through the FIA and the FIA said they thought it was ok… that’s all the due diligence the teams need to do

[@soilentgreen7]

lol different if it was RB though eh LH fan@@Hammertime4404

[@captaintoyota3171]

I was there watching in 13 it was rediculous. Merc had no right to test tires over other teams.

[@UriahCooley-n6r]

Great story, well told.. They even use other race numbers on the cars. scandal 1000%!.

[@David_in_Thailand]

It seems ridiculous that tyre performance is designed to be non optimal to then create competition between mismatched car performance. Everything else on the cars are designed for peak and consistent performance. Not so the tyres.

[@andyhug90]

I hate how everything in Formula 1 is about researching new technologies and ways but the tyres are made to fail at some point basically...

[@MikkoRantalainen]

The tyres are still just joke because they *must* be designed to detoriate very rapidly. For example, the soft tyre has predefined endurace and it must detoriate no matter how cleanly the driver can drive. It would be much better if tyres could be as good as the manufacturer can make them.

[@User-dd2xv]

The 2012 tyres were harder than the current 2013 tyres at the time so Redbull could crank up back the downforce.

[@seen48]

I think we need more tire deg to make racing more competitive.

[@BDeLuca4444]

I agree. I always like good tire deg for racing in all series. Maybe not to the extremes like a Richmond, but the recent race at Kansas, or Bristol showed a good balance of Tire Deg that can bring strategy and increase potential for passing opportunities. Big difference there compared to the likes of Pocono for example, since Pocono has very little tire wear and very little passing after restarts due to dirty air and little tire offset in current regs. For F1 I think two stop or more races tend to go better because this does indicate tires will wear regardless of compound, and it does lead to more strategy potential, maybe some teams go for 1 stop tire conservation strat, maybe 3 stop aggressive strat. Maybe the type of tires they use or the order they use is more diverse throughout the field. Considering it is still difficult to follow in the current regs, having good tire wear is another variable that is part of the race which can set drivers/cars apart. It's why we have battles between Merc, Ferrari and McLaren right now because while Ferrari and McLaren seem to have the qualifying edge, Merc has better tire life and will battle them in the races more often than not. I think as long as Pirelli doesn't have a repeat of Baku 2021, I think they have a good balance of tires right now and does lead to differing strategies, and does make up for the inability to follow in dirty air.

[@mesterorange8181]

The Fia Messed up, investigated itself and concluded that after all the permissions THEY gave, they should punish others

[@RACECAR]

Typical FIA. And to think THIS is the massive governing body Of Motorsport...

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

Surely it would have been better to have one day with Merc, one with Ferrari and one with Red Bull?

[@RatluBoogerbag]

No, but Mercedes and or hamilton would never do anything wrong. You just have to ignore the litany of controversies they have been involved in.

[@RossMKF1]

They didn’t do anything wrong lol Pirelli did

[@timeacott]

They were literally invited to do it and did it with approval from the FIA, and then checked with Charlie Whiting (who took legal advice before confirming it was OK). I'm at a loss to understand what else you think Merc should have done to check it was OK!

[@RatluBoogerbag]

@@timeacott It must be disappointing for you that they didn't consider your opinion as evidence when they found that both Mercedes and Pirelli had breached the rules.

[@MrChoklad]

​@@RatluBoogerbagbro for real, any team would've done the same and your naive not to think so lol The FIA allowed this to happen and then got scared when shit hit the fan. They did a poor job and y'all shitting on Merc just because you have an excuse. It's a sport man, chill out

[@colleenhorsford4383]

They did nothing wrong. The FIA Charlie Whiting were all aware and gave permission.

[@baskkev7459]

If you put this next to abu dhabi 2021 or budget cap 2022. Makes it clear. Mercedes gets away with stuff

[@LucaTgaard]

Is there a video on Mercedes getting the engine rules 2 years prior to everyone else giving a massive advantage at the start of V6 Turbo era?

[@gauravmalltarlok5354]

Nope, cause all of that is fake. All the teams knew about the regulation changes five years before they came. Mercedes just came up with a design that dominated and the rest of the grid came up with excuses, one of which ended up being that they got the engine rules 2 year prior.

[@soilentgreen7]

its not fake, seen your bias on here before @@gauravmalltarlok5354

[@SiVlog1989]

The complaints by Red Bull in particular, firstly about quality of the Pirelli tyres of the time and the test featuring the most tyre chewing car of the season, the Mercedes, all smells of trying to make Pirelli feel like they couldn't win

[@michaelg2414]

Mercedes fans always forget their rule breaking here

[@Mr-sBinotto]

And they call Red Bull the ' cost cap champions ' . I think they need to think again about that

[@rexthewolf3149]

And yet RB still won though.

[@window469wow3]

they had permission

[@Neutralino]

@@window469wow3*qualified permission and those qualifications were not met.

[@titancheat]

​@@window469wow3I think you're supposed to have cars 2 years old like they mentioned about ferrari. Current car testing is illegal

[@theseob]

I was in Spa on Tuesday after the race. I now that McLaren and Aston Martin where performing tire testing. But i also saw Mercedes running on the track. Does anybody know why they where running on track that day?

[@nolanpeters5462]

Man i wish I got as many "reprimands" at work as Perelli does without getting the boot

[@andyf1210]

'Cost cap champion' merc fans jaws just dropped to the floor after watching the video 👀

[@unthenner5519]

Justice at last

[@Lastname6955]

6:03 who invited Marussia

[@GFSCN69]

Not great journalism standards to not put _"... of 2013"_ in the video title. You are counting on the viewers getting confused by your writing and misunderstanding it as some current news story that has popped up. It's clear you did this to maximize views and "engagement", but there should be a limit to how far you're willing to go for extra profits. This isn't that far away from your headlines being _"You won't believe what just happened at THIS Formula 1 team!"_ .

[@DoMw94]

That has nothing to do with 'jornalism' 🤦‍♂️

[@Sauceyjames]

Ok so Abu Dhabi 2021 is justified then. Thankx.:)

[@IIGrayfoxII]

Using a mid pack team would have been pointless how

[@ElCopenDeMane]

Imagine that they Run the 13 car bit with the 14 hybrid engine being the first to test it 😮

[@djchocice]

I wondered why Merc weren’t at the young driver test in 2013, 10 years later I know the answer 😂

[@SwissDog1231]

End vids with “thanks for watching/listening.”