Merfolks vs Slivers vs Dragons vs Goblins | Tribal cEDH Gameplay | Casually Competitive

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

Our goal with these Tribal decks was to build them as strong as we could; however, we realize that we may have been too lax with the restrictions we set. The restrictions we originally set for the 'tribal' portion of the deck was a member of the Tribe in the command zone, a sizable amount of permanents that belong to the tribe, and tribal-based win conditions. We wanted to experiment and restrict the deckbuilding a bit, but we were still trying to build strong and fast decks. We apologize if our decisions affected your entertainment of this video and we will strive to improve moving forward. What are your thoughts on these themed / somewhat gimmick-y games in-between seasons? We have some other themes in mind (For example, we are thinking of doing an episode of Blind Commander after Season 2 ends) but are there any other themes similar to this you're interested in seeing, let us know! Also, if one video isn't enough EDH for you today, we will be livestreaming some EDH gameplay on KZbin starting at 7:30PM EST tonight (Feb 21). We'd love to see you there!

[@wbw911]

Elves : Are we a joke to you?

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

We felt like an Elf-ball deck could make it into one of our regular gameplay videos so we decided to keep it out of a Tribal specific pod for now

[@Alikaoz]

I like it, it feels like the exact thing the channel name says, Casually Competitive.

[@Sliver_Boi]

Elves almost beat out slivers for my favorite tribe, but I cant just leave my slivers behind. If we do another tribal video I'll be going elves all the way!

[@CeilingNinja]

Some of the lesser powered tribes maybe - bears, goats, squirrels... stuff like that. Maybe an Un-themed EDH episode.

[@Styckcl]

In a pod with krenko and dragons, the Trasios/Timna deck won, wow who would thought.

[@Deris76]

Not thrasios/tymna, thrasios/tymna with demonic Consultation/thassa's oracle combo. Insert pikachu face meme here

[@mordheim66]

T&T on a tribal pod, ill go ahead and call shennanigans.

[@Matthias-pj6th]

Agreed, you have 3 fun tribal decks, and then a slightly sub-optimal version of a true CEDH deck in the fourth slot.

[@wintersmonologue]

@@Matthias-pj6th Agreed. That wasn't Tribal so much as cEDH Thassa's + Demonic combo. Really, it was a combo deck that had some merfolk in them.

[@iambensummers]

I feel like Oracle Consultation is cheating, even if Thrasios is a Merfolk. Dragons meant to kill with dragons, slivers tried to kill with slivers, goblins tried to kill with goblins, and Merfolk tried to combo off with something hardly related to merfolk--extra turn shenanigans until hitting the insta-win. If Merfolk aren't strong enough, just choose a better tribe.

[@iambensummers]

Not to mention Cavern of Souls named Humans in, of all decks, Merfolk.

[@robertbauerle5592]

I was totally expecting the merfolk deck to kind of function like yuriko turns with how that turn started. I was totally down for that. Then they just tutored up thassa’s, kinda killed the cool thing they had goin imo. (Even if they used Tymna, a non merfolk, to do it)

[@YetAnotherScrub]

Tbh I think this game would have been a lot better (as in, more what it should have been) if Tymna had just not been allowed to be cast. I understand the need for the 4 colours, just don't cast her. Thrasios is honestly strong enough without Tymna, and I think it was Tymna herself drawing some 8 cards which mostly warped what happened away from feeling Merfolk enough.

[@cyrexianmana]

@@YetAnotherScrub the deck was obviously built around Tymna, which is the part that bummed me out a bit.

[@YetAnotherScrub]

@@cyrexianmana it did somewhat appear that way. :/ Maybe just the way that game went idk.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

I had no problem with Tymna until Joseph declared "human" for his effect lol

[@Taphosthewarlock]

"Merfolk deck" < It was thrasios and tymna consultation. Seems a little bit like he didn't get the tribal memo.

[@DrFrogman]

I dont care about the commander choice, but he played only two merfolks in the whole game, and like 3 times the amount of extra turn spells. Seems more like extra turn tribal than anything else to me 😁

[@oliviauzquiano7392]

Kind of in bad taste to say “merfolk commanders don’t give you all the colors you need” with a mono red deck at the table. You don’t need every color to win a game nor have a good game of edh. Not a fan of tymna/thrasios for a “merfolk tribal” deck. If you needed to use blue/black to win and needed to draw cards you could have used the sygg you played, just saying.

[@RunninOnYT]

True true, I love to play my Kozilek, the Great Distortion deck. I get to potentially draw and counter more than blue mages. So yeah, no need to have colours!

[@SWIFTWOLFX]

unfortunately some of these players are only comfortable with specific cards for specific win conditions.

[@LeoBushydo]

me: "omg a tribal game" oh... thassa consultation

[@ewoksland]

technically it's a merfolk combo...

[@CeilingNinja]

Hype level at start of video: OMG this will be great. Hype level when Thassa-Consultation comes out: Oh, this is gonna be boring.

[@Repairgenius]

That’s how I felt when I lost to it purely due to salt, but it is a staple when running Tymna/Thrasios.

[@CeilingNinja]

@@Repairgenius Well one person brought the second strongest deck archetype to a pod where everyone else was playing 6s or 7s...

[@artemoila1]

convenient that the oracle is a merfolk. Made me sad, still.

[@Oblivionknight]

I was so excited for a Tribal game, but instead we get a Thrasios/Tymna game.... yay

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

While I understand your disappointment keep in mind that we built all these decks to be as strong as possible within our restrictions. These restrictions being that we had to have a member of the tribe in the command zone, a large number of tribal permanents, and a tribal-based win condition. All of these decks have the potential to win turn 4-7 and are very strong decks.

[@nicholas8739]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG I understand your rules. I do think you could have had Kumena or someone else rather than just play a tier 0 in-the-meta deck or picked a different tribe. The lackluster doesn't necessarily come from the comboing off part, but more from the generic cEDH that we saw with that deck.

[@YetAnotherScrub]

@@nicholas8739 it's worth bearing in mind that this build of T&T is definitely not tier 0. It's full of moderately good Merfolk and extra turns. Far from the peak build.

[@justineells7518]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG You keep saying in all your comments that you were building the strongest within your restrictions, but tymna is just not in that restriction. And as a result broke the game with massive card advantage and the spirit of the game. You could have easily kept the oracle consult win in merfolk by playing sygg and stayed on theme.

[@arconexo]

The tribal idea was nice, love Slivers, but when I saw the consultation strat at the beginning of the video it immediately killed my interest

[@andreaghiberti5464]

If I had been one of the three players who brought a tribe deck to the table, I would have been much more aggressive towards the "merfolk" deck... attacking and pointing more stuff at him

[@ODIRGO]

yeah the threatning assessment was kind of lacking this game. I ended up dissappointed this time.

[@ODIRGO]

I feel click baited.

[@unraveki]

You were

[@ElvishMayo]

A year later and I feel the same. Not how I want to watch game play...

[@TheMajesticYak0]

I would have preferred if you guys had found another deck to replace Merfolk. I didn't enjoy seeing it go off when I was promised a tribal shoot out. I think lots of other tribes could have been powerful - Wizards, Rats, Eggs, or even Zombies. Yes it fit the definition of tribal, but to me it wasn't what I was hoping to watch. All the other decks looked like they wanted to win through damage or combat damage and the Merfolk deck didn't fit that paradigm. I think if you do another tribal deck showdown you should include the restriction of no alternate win cons to ensure the decks all fit well with each other.

[@robertbauerle5592]

Guybrush Threepwood I don’t think I’d go so far as to ban alt wincons. I think just being more strict on commanders and cards in the deck would do fine. Thassa’s Oracle is a merfolk, so if the merfolk tribal deck wants to try and win using thassa’s oracle in a merfolk-only deck, I’m down to see that. It’s definitely going to be something more janky than demonic consultation, since Tymna shouldn’t have been an option (heyyo, not a merfolk) lol.

[@arconexo]

Joseph would had my respect if he would have gone for Kumena taking turns instead of T&T consultation, could still have won with Thassa's Oracle

[@samuelhaney2560]

I would say the real MVC of the game was Sygg, as he got to draw sooooo many cards of of it early in the game and got him the cards he need to win.

[@TopLevelJiuJitsu]

It really was a major player

[@apock2474]

Not even through these opening hands yet, but one of these decks seems significantly stronger than the others. Jesus Joseph. Calm down!

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

Are you referring to Tymna / Thrasios? In our testing they all seemed to be pretty similar in power level, with Merfolks being a little on the weaker side. The commanders are nice, but being restricted to primarily Merfolk-based win cons makes getting consistent value a little more difficult than normal against some pretty aggressive decks

[@artemoila1]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG It's still a thrasios/tymna deck with thassa's oracle/consultation combo... I was kinda sad cause it felt like a cop out

[@AbbadonGrey]

@@artemoila1 Yeah it's pretty much a cop out and honestly didn't feel fun for the other players who followed the whole tribe theme. Watching him just extra turn into a TO/DC combo was a mood killer. It felt super pub stompy.

[@napoleongoizueta710]

This is the only video I haven't liked so far from you guys. When I read the title I was expecting something different, but the merfolk deck just seemed out of place with the other 3

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it, but the main restrictions for our 'tribal' decks were to have a member of the tribe in the command zone, a large number of tribal permanents, and a tribal based win condition. Other than that we built the decks to be as strong as possible. It may not have seemed like it, but if Jordan had gotten to his turn he could have taken 2 people out of the game, and Nate was very close to having what he needed as well. The Slivers had a slow start but that deck can also pull out turn 5-6 wins, I just got lucky having the mana I needed and not having to worry about too much instant speed interaction.

[@napoleongoizueta710]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG It's alright. It wasn't a bad game, I just think that I had other expections of it when I read tribal. But don't worry and keep the good work as usual. I can't wait for the next season!

[@Psyman2]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG That still doesn't make Thymna a tribal commander

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

This is exactly what it feels like to lose to a cEDH wincon in a casual pod. If you are building a casual deck, please steer clear of these compact, low CMC combos. The game just ends. It's a bummer.

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

While I agree casual decks should stay away from those combo lines, none of the decks featured in this video could really be considered 'casual.' All of these decks have potential to win turn 4-7 and are very strong, fast decks.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG Agreed, to an extent. An infinite combo does not a competitive deck make, but the decks are definitely on the stronger side (although I have played with and against nominally casual decks which are nearly identical to those featured--and have watched them lose to precons). I've just seen more and more "casual" lists adopting cEDH lines (like Thassa's Consultation, Cephalid Breakfast, Frog loops), so I merely wished to make a PSA. I get what the channel and vid are about, and was speaking more to the casual players, like myself, who are watching to enjoy the spectacle but might be tempted to adopt the strategies seen on this and other channels. Don't get me wrong, I love what you guys are doing and what cEDH has done for our knowledge of the format at its limits. It's just that powerful new tools beg a conversation. My personal crusade was definitely not intended as any kind of a knock :)

[@YetAnotherScrub]

I think the problem is more that the consultation win condition feels out of place compared to the other tribal decks, not in terms of power or speed but just thematics. The reason the deck looked so powerful was because he got to draw at least 6 cards off the early 2 drop from opponents losing 3 life, and then 8 more over several extra turns from Tymna. He was just massively ahead in card advantage and we all see the results. Removing some of those advantage pieces instead of the other things that were targeted by, say, the Drakuseth trigger probably would have been wise. They mentioned that the deck looked bad in play testing, so maybe that caused the others to let their guard down.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

@@YetAnotherScrub Yeah, definitely seemed like playing opposite Sygg was something they weren't altogether used to, either But I knew what I meant when I spoke about wincons, specifically. It's not that the deck felt overly powerful, but rather that the win felt untelegraphed and disruption-resistant, as cEDH wincons often are. But the fishies definitely piggybacked on Krenko's Defense Grid, so who knows?

[@zephyrgarrettson6473]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG I have played and played against a ton of very powerful tribal decks, and I have never come across a situation where I needed one of the best cEDH wincons in the game and the best partner pairing in the game to beat them. I have seen a kumena tyrant of orazca merfolk deck that absolutely dominated a game against other powerful decks, there was no need to make the deck tymna thrasios. and if you really do not think that merfolk could compete, build a different tribe. There are other options that can easily compete with the other tribal decks. I really enjoy watching powered up decks that are not to the level of cEDH, that was what I was looking forward to watching, not another consultation deck

[@Dafins100]

The “Merfolk” deck seems like it’s stretching a bit to be tribal. Nothing in the deck was tribal so far as I could see.

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

Played this game was Thrasios, Sygg, and Thassa's Oracle. The goals of these decks were to take a tribe and make it as competitive as possible while having a member of the tribe in the command zone and having tribal based win conditions.

[@Dafins100]

Casually Competitive MTG that’s fair. I thought it would be more in line with the other decks rather than just T&T consult with extra turns. I was hoping for something less standard than that deck with a few token merfolk thrown in.

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

I think you're underestimating the other decks at the table. All of the decks played had potential to win turn 4-7 and can definitely outrace the merfolk. These decks were built around a tribe but they were still built to be as strong as possible

[@Dafins100]

Casually Competitive MTG that’s definitely true. Didn’t get to see much of the other decks. I would love more videos with these decks to see them!

[@RobMedellin]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG The title is not fair though "Merfolks vs Slivers vs Dragons vs Goblins". And please reflect on it? What was the purpose of this episosde? If it was to do something different, then it failed for that reason. Same archetype, same wincon. Playing a non Merfolk commander and using her ability, using cavern of souls for something other than merfolk... that it's not a tribal deck, so please don't pretend it is, don't lie to your almost 19K suscribers :(

[@ungulatemanalpha]

There are so many semicompetitive Merfolk decks to go for that I feel like this basically has to be a joke. It'd be like calling Godo Bandit Warlord a Samurai tribal deck. Here's some ideas: - Vorel goes infinite with everything under the sun without generating stupid amounts of value immediately - Tatyova is value-oriented without being as wildly efficient - Sygg, River Cutthroat can play a solid controlling game - Kumena doesn't go infinite easily but is still a good win condition with other infinites - Hell, just play Thrasios by himself and accept that you aren't playing any black or white Merfolk!

[@planetaryconquest]

Tatyova turns is dope.

[@piercetattersall9049]

While the idea of the video is great, and I look forward to more similar videos in this vein, T&T Oracle Consultation is not a fun, nor a tribal wincon. The fact that the "Merfolk Tribal Deck" named 'Humans' on its cavern of souls should have been a dead giveaway that the deck wasn't a tribal deck. And sure, you all have powerful decks that win turn 4-7, but a Kumena taking turns deck, with tap untap shenanigans, to eventually almost draw yourself out to Oracle win would have been more flavourful, enjoyable and more in the spirit of this game. Overall a disappointing game, and I'm frankly shocked you don't see why that deck was a problem.

[@selkokieli843]

In any other time of history that oracle-consultation victory would have been sweet

[@marshall4439]

I dunno, I've seen Oracle Consultation win so many competitive games in the last month, it's so boring. 2 cards, 3 mana, win the game. It's just lame to me. Can you explain why you think it's sweet?

[@Foxribble19]

@@marshall4439 its a fast win some people like that yes its old but some people like that. That wasn't meant to sound mean or anything so sorry if it did.

[@jsum33]

Yeah it felt like a kick to the nuts after the initial wtf shock wore off.

[@mu4990]

I know the purpose was to make the tribes as competitive as possible, but abusing the Tymna ability to draw cards definitely broke the game, and since she's not a merfolk, kinda went against the spirit of the game imo. I feel like this was the sort of game you have at an LGS or GP where you sit down and everyone says they're playing a 6 or 7 and then someone plays a top tier cEDH deck and wins without anyone being able to interact. Personally, if I were at this type of pod/table, I would've gotten up after this game and looked for another group to play with. Just not very enjoyable to watch one deck play solitaire and everyone else just sit on their hands since they have nothing to do.

[@hattrickmawfucka6897]

Agreed. One look at the "merfolk" commander(s) and you already know who the favorite is. Not sure how Joseph got away with playing tier 0 against a group of tier 2-3 commanders 😂

[@hattrickmawfucka6897]

To be fair, still quality content, but now I'm really itching for some competitive play with an actual emphasis on tribal enforced amongst all decks. Would love if you guys kept the 3 other decks and subbed in something else in the place of T&T.

[@pauloalvarado3653]

the merkfolk deck should have a single commander. the fun is use a tribal deck, not to use the best partner commander .

[@jmciver1337]

Gonna have to add a boo for the "merfolk" player.... you should honestly just redo this video and make that dude play actual menfolk tribal or pick a different tribe

[@ericadams2045]

We know what thassas oracle does. The point of watching these is seeing new types of synergy.

[@copperfield42]

>Merfolks tribal >have a human partner in the lead ¬¬" tribal alright... If you wanted the consultation combo that much, use Sygg instead. Also that is the only deck which generals do not care for the tribe one bit, a more proper general for the theme would be _Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca_ as it does something with the tribe.

[@45lxudmouth27]

Damn who kicked your dog today?

[@Zeb1904]

Not to beat a dead horse, but you had to at least known this was coming. 8:08 Calling humans instead of merfolk was just a slap in the face. I love your guys’ videos, but a T&T deck doing T&T things in a tribal showdown is just lame.

[@victorramirez7439]

Oof. You could tell Joseph was going to win. He was sitting back just drawing so many cards with tymna and the merfolk.

[@jaredbobier2844]

T&T might have won the game but it’s getting wrecked in the comments! I love your content, usually. But that was not “Merfolk” at all. And you can’t say you needed extra colors when you are literally playing against mono red.

[@tmain1320]

Loved this video but as with many other people, I think the tymna thrasios pairing was a stretch to call a “tribal”. I mean he played cavern of souls and named something outside of his tribe. I feel as if you could have done elves/eldrazi/warriors (not flash hulk)/zombies and they all could have been made extremely competitive. But again enjoyed this video and hope to see more!

[@Mattador666]

"We decided to sleeve up and power up some of the tribes that we thought were the best." Edgar Markov: Uhhh....hello?? King of all vampires over here! Best tribe in Magic!

[@AlchemicalLove]

Dont worry Tymna, the most powerful Merfolk stepped in here to play instead..

[@lamb9507]

Best tribe in magic? I think not. Look at Wombat, or brushwagg tribal. Vampires are severely outclassed kind sir. Also, vampire tribal can be HELLA expensive to play lol.

[@patoleapipows]

It would be AEWSOME!!!!!

[@hectormorales4090]

Tribal? 3 players played within the rules, 1 didn't and he won... not nice. :(

[@scantron6111]

If the “merfolk” player could use Thrasios/Tymna because one of them is a merfolk, then by that logic the goblins player should have been able to play Vial Smasher/Thrasios, since one of them is a goblin.

[@AlexOvTheAbyss]

Tribal are my favorite decks, and it was nice to see, uh, three tribal decks. I don't really care for the T&T "technically" merfolk deck, even if it didn't win. It's like when a new set comes out and people make decks with the new legendary creatures, but instead of focusing it around the new creature, they just make a basic mono-blue combo deck, pick a mono-blue legend, and call it a "[new set name] deck".

[@TrixyTrixter]

Tribal commander: OHh nice! Merfolk has Tymna as commander: You lied to me.

[@harrybaldino8955]

Obviously you all have never play Sygg, River Guide correctly saying that Merfolk has no two color commanders that are good 🙄

[@Kashakunaki]

Agreed with most these other comments. Suck it up and actually commit to tribal. I feel it's more restrictive when you feel like you have to play some sort of optimal power house. If in your editing and production you find you're saying "you may disagree" or "I hate to say this" or anything similar *constantly* that's a pretty damn good sign you're doing something wrong.

[@The3OfSwords]

God, Tyma-thrasios Curb stomping again! And how does having thrasios as one of your commanders count as a "merfolk tribal" deck???

[@josephs.4813]

I just found this channel yesterday and I’m really enjoying both the gameplay and the more podcast discussion type videos. You guys are a fun group. Keep up the awesome work!

[@dizzysmith551]

more tribal, less competitive! cmon joseph!

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

Our goal was to make the tribes as strong as we could while still having the restrictions of having a member of the tribe in the command zone and a tribal based win

[@SilaninilTheOtaku]

I mean, I could have seen a kumena aggro shell or token shell, or even counter shell work much better then oh here's the same thrasios+tynma deck but we just made the optimization -slightly- worse to add some dumb merfolk we never intend to play :/ seems off to imply that even a mono or blue colored merfolk deck is just intrinsically weaker then the other colors at the table. Mono blue being a standard of cEDH. Just feels like a weak excuse to not have to like, actually try to restrict yourself to a tribe.

[@HeroxofxEatos]

Love your content but didn't really care for this video, I know your getting that lot in the comments. I feel that part of the reason why people are not liking this video is because in it you say this is a powered up tribal video, but the deck that won felt more like a powered down consultation oracle with some merfolk in it and not really merfolk tribal. I understand that you said you built this deck before the consultation oracle combo came out and that you and the guys agree that it is the weakest of the decks, but then did you truly power up merfolk as a tribe or just powered down consultation oracle by slotting in some merfolk? I understand that you have said that the restrictions was just to have a tribe member in the command zone, most of your creatures had to be in to the tribe, and you had to have a tribal win con. Kumena would have been a better choice, I feel, for what people were expecting, you can still run oracle as your win con and do it effectively with some dramatic scepter infinite mana into infinite draw with the ability to chord/finale of devastation into your oracle. You can still be on your original plan of Edric turns as well. Like I said love your content I was enjoying the video, till the consultation oracle, I hope the criticism doesn't impact you guys negatively and you keep making videos like this. Can't wait till the next one!

[@felipeguidolin1055]

New videos from Casually Competitive and Playing With Power...it's like Christmas!

[@TheSpiritombsableye]

Everyone enabled Joseph. There was no Merfolk synergy at all.

[@yggdrasilraphael4815]

Recent follower here (you’re part of my confinement lunch routine now when the lady is at work), I have to admit I agree with what most other commenters have said : 1. Hard to argue that Merfolk commanders are lacking in terms of colors when you have a mono red deck at the table, you could have gone Azorius, Simic, Dimir (which would even allow for Consult Oracle, but like “legally”) or even Thrasios without any partner to stay on theme (and who’s probably powerful on his own)n 2. Gudul Lurker isn’t a Merfolk but ok he’s a water creature, except you probably only included it for value with Tymna ; 3. Even in play, Cavern of Souls for Humans made me cringe as, again, it was against the spirit of this more light-hearted episode ; 4. This was a good opportunity to show something else than the now-common Oracle Consult win ; 5. After all this, if Merfolk wasn’t a “suitable” tribe for you, you probably could have chosen another tribe in the whole Magic universe. I don’t mean to be harsh as I really enjoy the show, but I was curious to see some more pushed tribal gameplay... but then we didn’t. Hope you guys can do another episode like this with maybe different rules so that we can see some different things! Keep up the amazing work and stay safe! Virtual high fives from France 🇫🇷

[@SirKingHoff]

7:10 "Crown-ter from dethrone" I love it so much

[@Ubermunki3]

Love your videos but this one was a complete waste of time. I hope you revisit this later and not run tymna thrasios together at all.

[@Slo-Mode]

I really love this concept!! This is definitely something I'd like to see more of!!

[@josephmooradian8356]

I enjoyed this game a lot! I think a lot of people are critiquing how the merfolk deck wasn't "on theme" or "not really tribal" but i think really the difference is the power level everybody aimed for seems to just be different. Both Dragons and Slivers are in 5c but seemed to assume that everything that happened was going to be on the battlefield, whereas merfolk won the game on the stack through all its spells. I think the lack of communication was more in the need for counterspells or the adherence to typical CEDH norms than it was to tribes. Loved the video though! Makes me want to put a Sygg in my Pod decks :)

[@el_maoo]

these are the decks i expected in casually competitive. love this

[@wallbant928]

you and playing with power uploaded today, made my day

[@Belena711]

You guys got a lot of flak for this episode, huh? ;) Haha. It's not completely undeserved - if all you need for a T&T deck to be merfolk tribal is that it has an oracle wincon... Then they ALL are merfolk tribal. Lol I agree with others; wasn't tribal. Thanks and keep the videos coming, though!

[@cozmicshroomzpro1]

The person who by all reports doesn't like to play as casually played the most powerful partners and won with the most competitive win con? No! Joking aside, that was an interesting game and an interesting watch. You folks are making quality stuff.

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

Glad you enjoyed the video! Even though we wanted to stick to tribes we still wanted to make the deck as strong and fast as possible. The main restrictions were having a member of the tribe in the command zone, a large number of tribal permanents and a tribal-based win con. I just got lucky Thassa's Oracle was printed recently, I built this deck before it was released and it was much, much worse.

[@cozmicshroomzpro1]

​@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG Sure, the goblin player certainly helped and the harmonic sliver's trigger's should have all been directed at thrasios' stuff imo. No reason for the deck with a "Tribal" win con like Oracle untap with that much of a board.

[@JT-ft7jo]

I was surprised Scion didn't take out an opponent with the molten dragon combo or blight dragon infect

[@MytDrannor87]

moltensteel dragon, dragon tryrant and poff merfolks out of the game. I still don't understand the threat assesment of that scion attack, considering that the merfolk tribe can win out of nowhere, in a non telegraphed way.

[@Kersakofu]

While you did agree to it ahead of time, it wasn't very fun to watch 3 other decks playing a different game of magic and then T/T wins out of no where. While it may be inconsistent, a quality game has at least some interaction. And seeing that no one even blocked it, yeah no. Not fun to watch.

[@harryturner9201]

Hiding that Dryad Arbor under all those lands.

[@alasbruta]

Three were non cEDH level commanders optimized, a delight and inspiration to casual players who own and play with casual commander (I myself own budget versions of Krenko and the Ur-Dragon). One was not only a cEDH level pair, but THE TIER ZERO pair, completely off theme, digging for the most boring win con available. Kumena full tribal or even Turns would have been sweet. Cheers!

[@mariusweber4990]

To me personally, playing Tribal means that the tribe is essential to the deck. You could've removed every single Merfolk card except for Thrasios and Thassa's Oracle without it impacting the deck in any meaningful way.

[@MtendoTheSkunk]

I think Sygg should get an honorable mention because he did get quite a few extra cards in the early game and from mana crypt dinging his opponents which helped a lot.

[@kirdiekirdie]

Thrasios tymna with oracle combo, great semi competitive merfolk deck 😁

[@noahjohanson1395]

Not gonna lie I really didnt like the thassa consultation win in this tribal game because thats not really a tribal win. It also just felt like a thrasios tymna extra turns deck. You also couldve used tishana as the commander

[@crovax1375]

Extra turns tribal is a pretty good theme! 🙃

[@peterdrent5309]

It kinda felt like bringing a gun to a fist fight... and taking extra turns with the gun

[@elvish-visionary6828]

I would love to see a (mono green) ELF tribal, e. g. With Ezuri, Renegade leader as Commander.

[@danielpaxton3560]

Loved this video. I wonder if you could make Dinosaur Tribal semi-competitive. I would looove to see that.

[@AlchemicalLove]

This was a lot of fun, though I might be a bit biased as Tribal themed decks are my favorites. I do hope this theme or a variation on deck building restrictions continue on this channel, cEDH is a lot of fun to watch but its even more interesting to see you guys have to deal with a restriction and still build to the top power level you can. Good work guys and I look forward to seeing so much more of you guys.

[@AlchemicalLove]

After watching it I am really disappointed with the Tymna inclusion.. You could have done any other tribe and still had it been Tribal, Vampire Zombie or even Elf would have been a lot more thematic than, T&T Tier 0 commander combo vs Actual Tribal. I get that it got lucky but even if it flopped terribly I would have been disappointed. If you are going to commit to a theme please COMMIT to it. I mean when a tribal deck wants to name something other than its tribe for CoS that might be proof enough..

[@copperfield42]

despite the flavor fail of the merkfolk deck, it was a good game

[@ungulatemanalpha]

U/G Taking Turns with Tatyova, Vorel or Kumena would be more interesting in this pod without Sygg and especially Tymna drawing Joseph ten billion cards. And since you don't have Consultation in Simic, you'd have to naturally deck yourself to win with Oracle, Jace or Lab Man, which makes being able to go properly infinite more important.

[@RazielNightfall]

With Tatyova they could of played rishkar's expertise and thought Lash to exile the library.

[@TedMattos]

While I agree with the majority of the comments and share the disappointment, I have faith that Joseph and crew will take these comments to heart and respond to their subscriber base.

[@CeltiesSin]

Ted Mattos I’ve been scrollin the comments section for a bit, and unfortunately every comment from the uploader has been trying to justify himself 😕

[@AidanWR]

So, the thing that gets me is that he said that he needed black and white because green and blue just wasn't good enough, but the only black cards in the deck are tutors, two of which are win cons with Oracle, Sygg, which is a good creature, and two creatures with evasion that are really only there because of Tymna. The only white cards is a creature that helps thin out the library, other Sygg, which is to give creatures evasion for Tymna, Silence (don't have a case against Silence, but doesn't really belong), and an instant that creates two 1/1 merfolks, which, in my opinion, could have easily been replaced by Aquatic Incursion or Deeproot Waters.

[@BrichoRicho]

Are Nate's sleeves covered in little cats? Nate, link me up with those sleeves, please!

[@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG]

They're Corgis I believe

[@BrichoRicho]

@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG 😱 I have a mighty need for fluff-butts on the battlefield

[@Repairgenius]

They’re corgis! 😊 www.inkedgaming.com/products/corgis-sleeves

[@gabe3704]

Just curious why you didn't think Kumena or Sygg, River Guide would be good enough as there are untap combos with Kumena and token combos in Sygg's colors?

[@enoeht]

I enjoy watching your videos, but I have to agree with a lot of people here in the comments section that running T&T as a "merfolk" deck is getting into some very fine-print levels of technicality, and felt more like a good reason to exploit the fact that Thassa's Oracle is a Merfolk than anything. That being said, I've seen Scion of the Ur-Dragon in action and believe you when you say 2 people would have died on the untap, that's totally reasonable from that deck. Slivers and Goblins both felt rather anemic as well, but given we only see one video and not the full testing process I can't say much more. In short, T&T winning through a tier 0 cEDH wincon felt disingenuous, but that's life. I look forward to your next video, thank you for the quality content.

[@alexanderpranske808]

YES, I love slivers! It was the deck used to teach me how to play MTG 6 years ago, and I absolutely love seeing others play it!

[@monty125874693]

Would you guys consider playing Oathbreaker for a video in the future?

[@alexcadwish]

Wow, I didn't see that people disliked the game. I found it very entertaining and I'm happy that we can use some merfolks on a cEDH table.

[@Ironmaul]

I enjoyed the video. Perhaps in a future video have a zombie tribal deck against the other three losing decks? I would like to see that Krenko deck played again in a future videos. Cheers!

[@Nailgraizer]

Jordan, buddy. Wide open T&T player with a double scion activation? No molten steel dragon+skittles?! Oof.

[@daodrassulravan5520]

I am DEFINITELY going to build that Krenko Deck. It's so sweet!

[@Repairgenius]

Daodras Sulravan 🥰

[@frago321]

Tribal Merfolk: "Hey guy, you sure Hulk is not Merfl-like to use him?"

[@jonathantorres616]

I love tribal Commander deck's but of recent me and my play group have gotten a little spiky. So it was refreshing to see a little competitive tribal

[@1TonyinCA]

Oh look. Another Thassa’s Consultation win.

[@Cycriss88]

I do like the tribal theme! If possible, mono colored commander would be interesting. Bringing out the best of each color (except white)!

[@TheRealCommanderFox]

I see a disturbing lack of Moonfolk, Turtles, and Squirrels...

[@MindLaboratory]

MTS tribal ftw!

[@theeaterofpie]

That guy at your LGS that tells you he's playing 'Merfolk Tribal'.

[@jeffkuykendall3189]

I always will get angry when I lose to that kind of win condition but it was a very good turn.

[@mthlay15]

I really like this series of ccedh

[@xgxwills2857]

I think a fun idea for another gimmicky game would be using cedh commanders but with voltron only builds (I.e. voltron zur)

[@stevenperez4882]

I am breaking my “not watching thrasios” rule on KZbin for the slivers I hope this is a good game

[@twonky555]

I might have been able to be convinced about the "I plan to win via merfolk", but the Jace entirely removes that ability for me. That deck wasn't a tribal deck, it just incidentally had some tribal elements in some lines for the win.

[@LordofFaet]

I think this was a great game, and frankly I wholeheartedly disagree with a lot of the negativity about the Thrasios/Tymna deck. People are getting way too salty just because their idea of tribal is apparently, "Don't play any other creature types in the deck and win by beating face." Which is utterly ridiculous. Great game as usual!

[@ClassicMagicMan]

I've brainstormed a T&T Merfolk tribal deck too...but, what you guys showed here was not very tribal at all. You could have gone Theros tribal with T&T since they're both from that plane.

[@Voeluspa45]

...and people still are like "I do not understand why people dislike blue."

[@byoutifulmonster]

Now these are the kind of games I want to see!

[@rexone9564]

I’ll be sticking around for sure! gg

[@quarth9396]

I always wondered how you feel about recording these episodes and talking about yourself in third person lol

[@aaronsamuel501]

Great gameplay content to watch as usual! I personally think Tymna/Thrasios as a pair is too powerful for this table though and although that form of Merfolk looks a really fun tribal deck to play and watch i couldn’t see it not winning this match. Krenko is one of my favourite commanders though so I was happy to see it start off so rapidly even if the Defense Grid eventually worked against him! MVP was surely Sygg?

[@iraingaming]

Didn't expect to get the game ended like this . But it's really a good play !