MESHED TOGETHER | Cardo x Sena | Full Tutorial Guide

[@CardoSystemsGlobal]

Forgot to mention! The unit acting as the bridge needs to be a gen2 Packtalk (Edge, Neo, Custom) but the Cardo DMC mesh group can be comprised of any Cardo DMC headset, so Packtalk Bold, Black, Slim, etc. can all be part of the conversation, they just can't act as the bridge unit.

[@loudpackfpv1789]

Whats the best way to communicate with my friend if I have a packtalk edge and he has the newest Sena? Can we use mesh or do we have to rely on Bluetooth/phone calls?

[@WrOnG1984]

Will bold not get this update? Why do I need to replace my working unit by new one?

[@SenjayaXiera]

This method didn't work on my case. I have the pactalk edge and sena 50s Harman Kardon . Whenever I try to establish connection (by triple tap on my Cardo)to my sena, Sena will cut of its mesh function and it will inform on the speaker "mesh intercom disable" if I triple tap to disconnect the sena, the mesh on sena will work again.

[@Dan_TheMedic]

@@WrOnG1984 If Cardo don't update the Packtalk Bold unit firware to accommodate this, that sucks.

[@WolfgangExler]

@@SenjayaXieraI have the same configuretion, Cardo Packtalk EDGE and Send 50S. I installed the latest firmware on both devices, especially on the Cardo Packtalk EDGE it is important to have firmware version 3.2 or newer installed. The triple tap is the latest step to activate the bridge. You first have to pair the Edge and 50S using bluetooth. Switch your Edge to bluetooth mode, then press the intercom button for 5 sec to start the bluetooth intercom pairing. Then press the jog dial on the Sena 50S for 5 sec, you will hear "intercom pairing" on the 50S. After a frew seconds, the Sena 50S led will flash in blue and now both devices are paired for intercom. After this pairing, you may have to try if both units can communicate. The you can switch on the Edgto back to DMC and aktivate the bridge with triple tap the intercom button

[@eckperformance88]

I still don't know why there is no 'universal' mesh attempt from Sena and Cardo. It would be a great deal for the industry: pick any unit you want, connect with any rider you want, and don't be restricted by the brand. 👌

[@jimmysyar889]

Cardo tried, but Sena didn't want to.

[@MUZZISpartaco]

that is not true 'cause Sena works on open mesh, so all brands, minus cardo, can talk each other.

[@XcelentTom.]

Honestly absolutely horrendous that the EU hasn't enforced a standardised mesh for all manufacturers. This is SO ANNOYING

[@aidencoder]

Because vendor lock in

[@nothingtoseehere93]

It’s probably a mix of both. Cardo doesn’t implement open mesh and Sena doesn’t want to implement cardo mesh. One has to give.

[@shanefrank3281]

This is a great update. But I wish you would cover how to do this in the app as I find that much easier than remembering these button combinations.

[@Motoscotty]

Wouldn't it be great if they all just worked without having to do this!

[@roamerreed]

Dude hell yeah I love the support from yall at cardo, nothing but crickets from sena. Money well spent, refferals out the ying yang. Personally have the edge and can confirm satisfaction.

[@markanthonylapatha8590]

I just purchased a packtalk edge just so I would be able to communicate with my backride who has a SENA SRL3 (my wife) while communicating with my riding group who uses cardo 😅. I'm happy that it works 😅😅😅 Thank you so much for this video.

[@Ryzza5]

I can imagine the 5-minute auto reconnect time limit being an issue on a long stretch of twisty mountainous road if the bridge partners aren't keeping up, but still appreciate the new feature. More button combos to try and remember. I think I'll stick to using the app - I saw a bridge icon in there.

[@jamesmoody3491]

Really really need an open mesh with channel feature. Interphone and sena are both ahead in that department. I ride with friends who i cant connect with. This is only thing letting the cardo edge down. Please please provide this feature soon.

[@benjaminjanowski6474]

Please tell me how to connect my Cardo Edge to the skidoo Vibe comm made by Sena. Thank you.

[@ne-adv]

Yeah, 100 yards on a really really good day. Think of that bridge connection like your car Bluetooth to your phone. You left your phone in the house. You start the car, and the phone connects to the car and your music is playing. You back out of the driveway. That distance when you lose the phone connection is about what you get with the Cardo/Sena Bluetooth bridge. The way around that is one rider has both units with them. One on the helmet, one in a pocket or tank bag. I'd use the Sena, because I use that sort of setup anyway to record comms conversations for adding to the ride video. I replace the speakers on that Sena with a male to male TRS 3.5mm cable to the sound recorder and no mic on that Sena. Makes it easier. Sena also has a $200 unit for Bluetooth to Sena Mesh that you can hand to someone with the bridge Cardo unit. Then Bluetooth to that and now their Cardo is mesh, bridged to that little Sena unit which is Sena mesh.

[@lukasdisterhoft]

Apparently the Sena +Mesh adapter doesn't work with Cardo units. Or are you referring to another one? I believe there is an industrial/commercial unit Mesh Blue or something like that

[@ne-adv]

@@lukasdisterhoft Yeah, I think the +Mesh is only a Sena BT to Sena openmesh "translator"/transceiver. The meshport red I think is the one that would work, but I'm seeing out of stack everywhere. I guess the best answer is the cardo to Sena and one person carries both, but only uses one for the helmet.

[@lukasdisterhoft]

@@ne-adv I might have to go with that. Does it matter if the second unit is stowed away in a bag? For reception/reach

[@ne-adv]

@@lukasdisterhoft The Cardo/Sena connection is a normal bluetooth connection, much like your phone connecting to your car or your handsfree device connected to your phone. You can test if the location is blocking by using your handsfree to listen to music while the phone is in the bag/location you are testing. It's usually good for about 100 ft without issue, but I never put it in a hardcase, just a pocket or a SW-Motech tank bag, so it might matter. Since my Sena is on the helmet, I never really connected anything else to the Cardo, so I don't know if the Cardo side has to use up a device connection for this. The Sena uses up one of it's two phone pairing connections. I end up pairing my phone to my garmin and then the garmin to the Sena so the Cardo connection is free for the cardo.

[@stevepalmer8938]

So for those of us with Packtalk Bold JBL units, we still cannot connect with other devices? Are we ever going to get an update? Been years it seems since a last update. ;(

[@PanRider939]

Bold will do it, have you tried? It’s just a Bluetooth to Bluetooth pair then in DMC hit the top button to open bring in the Bluetooth channel, what’s called bridge. Sena user does the same at the other end.

[@stevepalmer8938]

@@PanRider939 Yes, have tried BT with other riders (Sena & some other brands) never could connect with anything other than Cardo units. ;( Maybe will trying again. Not everyone I ride with have Cardo's & a few have the Generic Helmet preinstalled BT sets also. Thanks for the reply.

[@PanRider939]

@@stevepalmer8938 That’s unusual. I have an original Packtalk. Rather than have something expensive on the back I got a second hand pair of cheaper Fodsport VB6. Great for pillion, bt connects easy. I then wanted something slimmer and more stylish so got a pair of Cardo Spirit. My riding group are getting into Comms at last, we have three riders with Packtalk. We have a couple of pillions with them too but I find that a waste, would rather put Packtalk on more riders. Even a Jabra Bluetooth phone earpiece will connect to a Packtalk. I did this when I used a Jabra to cobble together a Bluetooth CB radio adapter. Didn’t get to use it so I biffed it. Shame. Have fun

[@PanRider939]

@@stevepalmer8938 That’s unusual. I have an original Packtalk. Rather than have something expensive on the back I got a second hand pair of cheaper Fodsport VB6. Worked perfect. Sena is the hardest one to connect to.

[@NaoFamily529]

Can Cardo and Sena make this more simple!! This is like the most confusing cheat code. ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬅️ ➡️

[@joedoe7506]

Cardo made the move as u can clearly see in the video. Who is leaning back?

[@XcelentTom.]

Honestly absolutely horrendous that the EU hasn't enforced a standardised mesh for all manufacturers. This is SO ANNOYING.

[@greywolf9292]

Cardo can't even mesh with Cardo, Edge to Bold unless a certain sequence is followed, now I'm struggling to get two Edges bought together to connect to each other. Connection could only be done by each of us connecting to our phones then connecting the phones to each other via Bluetooth, The results were poor to say the least, a five seconds lag and barely audible 😕

[@heimdall4148]

@@XcelentTom. So now asshole behavior from manufactures is the EU's fault?

[@youtoobuser71]

Thank you fornthis video amd the pinned comment. Finally understand why ky friend and I can't link our units.

[@t-rex4211]

Could this not be a single button? I’m gonna need the instructions duck taped on the windshield I reckon

[@aldvex8541]

i have a cardo packtalk bold and i want to buy a Sena ST1-10 , the question is , are they eligible to connect to mesh together? i know they can connect with bluetooth but i want to know about only mesh connection ! thanks in addition

[@maxamaya3067]

Were you able to connect them... i have and st1 and a pack edge and still no luck

[@Simon-fm8yc]

I'll give it a go. Just seen a vid that uses discord app where anyone can connect to the group on the server. Will give this a go too.

[@DennisEldrup]

Discord will kill your phone battery literally in a few hours.

[@H1zN]

I would like to see a FW update for the freecom 4+. The last is from 2020! Sena is still supporting the 30K - current FW is from 2023...

[@Ryan_H22]

@Cardo ya know units like the the XGP X10 are pretty feature packed for like a hundred bucks on Amazon and works really well from what I've heard with other XGP units. They only do 10 total units but I'm guessing 8 to 10 is plenty for most people. And there are plenty of others, Lexin, Ejeas Fodsports, etc that offer 6 to 10 unit mesh in the hundred dollar range. For the price of your units you need to step up your game and make them work direct mesh with every other mesh system out there otherwise there is no point in spending at least triple the amount of money on the basic same thing.

[@1john2johnjohn]

Will the Edge being used as a bridge still be able to play music for that rider? Or does the bridge use up that Bluetooth connection?

[@jakejonezzz]

+1 for this question

[@Ryzza5]

Rider A not available

[@desertrider325]

Is it the same procedure for just one Sena and One Cardo?

[@put1first]

Thank you for this video. I ride with a large mixed group, and I'm trying to consider pros and cons of both main options. Question I have is can you bridge multiple units together to aid in the gap disconnect. Say Cardo a with sena a and cardo b with sena b and the mesh system still function as 1 group vice 2 separate groups? Thank you

[@didizeili]

is it going with the packtalk black and a sena or only with the new cardo. answeres are welcome

[@Intercom_e_Cia]

Only with Cardo last generation

[@roabueme3433]

can the packtalk outdoor be a bridge to Sena mesh?

[@Maarc]

Finally improvement from past cardo generation that required the sena connected as second phone for the Cardo unit as mentioned in my old pairing tutorial ;) Thanks for that :p

[@LoneWallyUK]

In theory connect a Cardo to Senas +Mesh unit should be the best option if you've more than one Sena device. At least you'll be able to space out a bit more

[@mikewhalen3440]

The process is fairly easy if you know the workings of both units. I can get them connected but the Sena group sounds very faint as well they can hardly hear the Cardo group. Guess I have to buy both depending on who I ride with. 😁

[@brooktech7869]

They know we will just buy two helmets with both. I prefer the Sena ease of use, I like to just use the buttons instead of relying on the app, and the phone quality is really good with the HD speakers. Cardo is probably better hardware, I hear the sound is good. If I run into a pack that has Cardo only, they know we will just get another helmet.

[@pincushion619]

Love this! THANK YOU Mike!

[@nzskyprince]

Hi Mike, how far betwen Sena 50s and cardo edge pairing on bluetooth?

[@RobertStack-c2l]

How do you remove the cradle that sticks to the helmet without damaging the cardo or helmet so I can place it onto another helmet

[@sritter]

I understand the Cardo unit doing the bridge needs be a Mesh 2.0 ie: Edge, but can the other devices in the Packtalk mesh be pre Mesh 2.0 (like Bold or Slim) ? (also the 100 yards for Cardo to Sena bridge is a little disappointing but better than nothing)

[@Ryzza5]

Yes (see pinned comment). Probbaly a limitation of bluetooth connection.

[@chrisr.7311]

Hello! can this be possible with the EJEAS Q8 that have MESH technology? A friendly couple of riders has that intercom, and we wonder if we can make this trick. Thank you

[@Life_a_bike]

Does this work for Sena Slr3 with Packtalk Bold (the original) ?

[@jimboinvt]

Awesome! Thank you for making our riding experience so much better!

[@madhurmehra3162]

Great stuff ! Any plans for introducing the functionality where 2:27 admin of the mesh group can delete riders from the group ?

[@Ryzza5]

Yes, I need this. Someone reset their device or something and can no longer connect, and I don't want to make a new group with everyone again. Let me kick him out and re-add him.

[@b4ll4z]

​@@Ryzza5maybe they could inspire from Discord? Keeping a chanel alive where people can join or quit whenever they want without affecting the group.

[@backcountryadvmoto]

Very nice! Thanks for posting. We tried this last week and couldn’t figure it out. Just downloaded the video for reference

[@jaesongunn3317]

hi i tried this but the sena system can't play music etc and i can only hear 1 person, the person i did the bt with. help pls

[@maxamaya3067]

Has anyone pair a spider st1 to a cardo pack talk edge? I need help...

[@coreybrock6333]

Does this work for uclear aswell?

[@VitoDesantis]

so im assuming this doesnt work with a 20s evo?

[@LosAngelesDrummer]

Turn mesh off what way?

[@kiebduj]

Mesh 2.0 is needed to bridge. But maby bold can work in a mesh group with edge and edge will be a bridge operator?

[@kernjn]

yes

[@momonohomo150]

My edge is echoing like crazy today. I can hear the music echoing n my voice. After the latest update my edge is almost useless

[@KendrickGarcia-jp6gs]

Honeslty I have a 4x and it connects to all my friends headsets. Maybe not the best quality and also I cant use certain cardo features idk why, but intercom works with even a amazon headset sooo just learn how to put them in pairing and it will work

[@RayTeerlink]

What do you have exactly?

[@eatonjb]

For some reason, I can't get the Sena 10C Evo to work right. We can connect and talk, he cant listen to music, and my music shutters when I try to listen, what are we doing wrong?

[@basemandog]

My damn Freecom 4x won’t even connect to my aunt and uncles BOLDS!!!

[@mic9657]

Is this just a bluetooth bridge between these two units? to join with other connected riders on each other's mesh? I presume it doesn't allow the two mesh systems to mesh together should these two units lose range?

[@markwilde6821]

From what I understood, this is correct. The two bridged units have to stay within Bluetooth range for the two mesh groups to stay connected.

[@Intercom_e_Cia]

Great feature. A game changer

[@NightEye87]

I am trying to pair a Cardo Packtalk Bold to a Sena Smart HJC 10B. Both capable of universal BT pairing. But whatever I do, they will not connect. It's so frustrating.. 😢 Can anyone please help?

[@Motoscotty]

Sorry you seem to have the same problems as me. To be honest, I’m seeing more people on Sena and Interphone now on group rides I may just switch to one of those brands. Cardo doesn’t want to seem to move to the open MESH systems the others use. Hopefully they do soon as their units are great but pointless unless everyone in the same group has them

[@bsujantob]

Sorry, it doesn't fully work in my case. It is between Edge and Sena 30K. Both have newest firmware. They can connect, but after around 3 seconds the Sena says "Mesh disabled". The Sena can keep connection with Edge and PT DMC group, but lost the Sena mesh group.

[@bsujantob]

Just an update. I have a chance to try this scheme with Sena 50S as shown in the video. It doesn't fully work. Same as previously tried with Sena 30K, the Sena 50S bridge unit will cut off its mesh with other Sena once bluetooth intercom connection with PT Edge bridge unit is established. Very disappointing.

[@SenjayaXiera]

Same issue here.

[@kernjn]

flybyweek.com/downloads/Cardo-Sena%20Mesh%20Bridging%20v1.pdf

[@kernjn]

flybyweek.com/downloads/Cardo-Sena%20Mesh%20Bridging%20v1.pdf

[@kernjn]

flybyweek.com/downloads/Cardo-Sena%20Mesh%20Bridging%20v1.pdf

[@greywolf9292]

Update, update, update, all supposed to make connection and cross connection easier, I'll be making a video soon on how frustrating Cardo has become 😕😤 It was bad enough when I couldn't connect to an older Packtalk Bold, only to discover after we gave up that a specific sequence is required. The final straw came when my Edge wouldn't connect to my son's yet both were bought as a pair and used to connect seamlessly. Finally connection was made through my phone and his on Bluetooth with about a five seconds delay and very poor audio quality. I've had units at a third of the price connect upon switch on with previously connected Comms.

[@ridethemax]

So basically you have to be a product engineer expert for both companies in order to get this done! I just want to share my music from my Cardo black with my sena sph10. Think that could happen considering how much each of these units cost! But nope after three days of trying to figure it out no luck and not one video or guide to help get it done anywhere!! Think I’ll just go back to hand signals….smh

[@GavinRogers-k6s]

Will this work with the packtalk slim?

[@JakeTher1pp3r]

It only works with Mesh 2.0 units, the Slim is a modified version of the Bold which is first gen Mesh so it won’t work

[@Intercom_e_Cia]

Slim can join this group, but it can´t be a bridge with Sena. If a rider has an Edge, Neo, or Custom, he is the guy who connects to Sena

[@GavinRogers-k6s]

Thanks for that.

[@joedoe7506]

Way to go cardo! Just switched from long time sena user to cardo and can't be more happy with the decision. 💪🏅

[@BKWalrus]

What a joke. Someone please acquire the other and y’all put your brains together to just make this mess work. There should just be “click a button” to open mesh, anyone within range is in. If you want private, do it on your phone. Boom. No more “click three times, hold this button two seconds, then wait five seconds, then shake them, then click them together, then click the buttons at the same time…”. Literally this has been a complaint for years. This tech is sooooo behind the curve.

[@PompeyLearninated]

Thats epic stuff, amazing news , keep them updates coming :) Still would love the option to diable radio fully still as voice side does still enable it randomly when talking

[@marianzajicek8927]

Mám cardo smarth a lituji, že jsme tuto krabičku zakoupil , všichni jezdci v mém okolí mají interkomy značky SENA nebo INTERPHONE , ty novější mají funkci MESH 2.0, která není kompatibilní s technologií DMC od CARDA. Představte si dvě vysílačky, které sice fungují ale každá má jinou frekvenci , proto se vzájemně nikdy nespojíte. S Cardem se připojím k jiné značce jen s využitím technologie bluetooth která v dnešní době není komfortní. Řešení je jednoduché, pokud firmy nechtějí spolupracovat, je nutné kupovat jen kompatibilní výrobky značek SENA a INTERPHONE, které spolupracují a které mají kompatibilní technologii MESH 2.0. Nekupujte Cardo, až zkrachuje.

[@LosAngelesDrummer]

I don’t know about all this push that push that hold, tap twice, hold, touch this, connect then touch this crap. But I do know that if you fill up your bathroom’s trash can with water and pour it into your toilet all at once, it will force everything through the pipes. This way you don’t have to touch the grimey plunger.

[@TheSmokeychris2000]

Are you telling me two tech companies are working together to give the users more options and the world a better place.

[@sirskyrage]

love to see it. would love if they made their mesh systems compatible from the get go but sadly that probably wont happen

[@dp4racing]

Sena rejected the idea to cooperate. Sena has about twice the user base & I guess they see any cooperation as losing customers. Eventually a cheaper Chinese knockoff will appear with equal features & everyone will switch to that.

[@Motoscotty]

Cardo failing to work with other manufacturers such as Sena and Interphone makes no sense. Why can’t they offer universal pairing as more people I’m riding with are on Sena and Interphone and I can’t connect without messing around. The other brands seem much simpler to use.

[@redron357]

OUTSTANDING

[@VoltVandal]

this does not work with cardo packtalk bold, right ?

[@unaetnumitsirc]

I'm wondering the same thing.

[@JakeTher1pp3r]

No as the Bold isn’t mesh 2.0

[@dp4racing]

No, but the bold can pair to a Sena as a phone in Bluetooth mode, then bring it into the mesh. There are KZbin videos that show how.

[@ionaka]

Im too drunk to remember all this

[@KenCorkum]

Is this feature included in firmware version 3.2?

[@WolfgangExler]

a Cardo DMC Intercom group is currently able to bringt up to 15 members into a conference. If a Sena Meshgroup is connected vir the bluetooth bridge mode, how is this Sena group counted? Each Sena Mesh group member counts like a single DMC group member or are all Sena Mesh group members counted like a single DMC menber?

[@mengaw-yong2490]

Pathetic that these manufacturers cannot make mesh to link up with other makes stinks of control

[@WrOnG1984]

Still is not exactly what i want:(

[@SuperSYMPATHIZER]

100 yards is not far

[@dennispreszler3528]

Could never get this to work. Packtalk Edge in DMC and a single SRL2 via BT.

[@kennymanchester]

Well, it's getting closer anyway. LOL

[@unklekody]

⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ oops I messed up oops OOOOOPS

[@mrniffels]

ffs just allow to mesh them together. No drawbacks or anything. All this brand seperation bs is the most annoying stuff ever. I usually dont like it when two brands become one but in this case it's all I really want.

[@autofctrl]

I assume all you brands (Cardo, Sena, Interphone etc) know its pretty stupid to not have them connect to the same mesh network. right?! I understand that every company tries to maintain their own costumers, but this bluetooth, mesh, back and forth is a fkng nightmare! We live in 2024 - collaborate instead of working against each other!! You're not just making your own life harder, but ours as well.

[@austinc1073]

Could y’all just be friends and not make this shit like trying to crack the da Vinci code? Your app would be a great place to start

[@austinc1073]

“Hearing pairing failed” over and over is going to be the thing that drives me to finally replace any cardo products from my helmets

[@r3fl3xion]

Only after pressing 8 million combinations of 3 buttons on the right day during the right weather, when the moon is at the correct angle , and Jupiter and Saturn are in the optimal location can you get these two brands to mesh together for intermittent communication with your mates 🤮🤮 The required technology is obviously a few hundred years away for a simple solution 🤮🤷‍♂️ I’ve sat around with grown adults watching countless KZbin videos the night before a ride trying to work it all out 🤬🤬 The worst thing is this gear is so expensive and so hopeless If it was cheap you’d just shrug your shoulders But for the money it makes you want splash everything in petrol and set it alight 🤬

[@mrhlynnu1464]

Sena and Cardo both suck, can’t wait for something else to come along and shut them both down.

[@6xtimbox6]

Why not simulating a real world situation?? Connect a packtalk edge, with a Freecom 4x, a 2x and two senas! That's where the limit is and what the people are facing. Also: Your manuals are full of mistakes. I already sent a word doc to your support to approach these, but they didn't seem to be interested. Cardo support really sounds like a kid with a wrong manual, not able to think that there are many flaws in it, even if I told them many times...

[@chrisowens3781]

Nothing for bolds again. Load of crap where’s the updates ffs

[@kernjn]

Feature requires BT 5.2 hardware to function. Bold is older generation