Cardo PACKTALK/BOLD/All Brands - Golden Rules to Cross-Brand Intercom Pairing

[@SierraScout2]

As someone in the market and trying to learn how all this stuff works, thank you. You’ve given me an answer to the question that was holding me back.

[@alvinpadilla135]

Thank you for sharing this. I had a ride with 2 other riders and all 3 (3 diffferent intercom brands )of us were sceatching our heads on why we cant all connect together. So informative. More power bro, and always ride safe!

[@MotoChooch]

This is THE best video on the subject I have ever seen and explains so much! Thank you!!!

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Awesome! Thank you!!

[@Igizeh]

Thank you so much for the video! Now I understand why it failed to pair my Packtalk with Sena all the time!

[@damansarajaya88]

5 years later and still making a difference. We had an issue this morning trying to connect Cardo to Wayxin intercoms. Couldn’t figure it out and this video helps a lot. Will try when we next ride. Thanks for this tip

[@RadiantFreeEnergyResearch]

Great video ! Thank you for explaining this in such detailed, and meticulous depth !

[@dennisnicholson2729]

That was such a surprise and so helpful. I now know why on my last 2 bike lessons I failed to pair Senna with my Interphone. Looking forward to trying again next time.

[@alejandrodominguez8732]

Man, thank YOU! I spent a couple of hours trying to figure it out but had both in Universal Pairing; followed your advice and bam! All works now. I can now enjoy intercom when riding with my daughter =)

[@ScifoM]

I really wish I seen this BEFORE struggling to pair my Cardo with my friends Sena 😕 Great Vid! 👍

[@mimcquee0311]

Although you did not cover my brand, your video helped me figure out Fodsports MS1 pro to Sena 20S.... Thank you

[@rookielicence1212]

Great video, I appreciate the explanation of cross brands. As I’m getting a Cardo Slim but my 2 friends have senas

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Thanks! So until your friends see the benefits of DMC Mesh (😊) it will be one of them who uses Universal Pairing Mode to “hack into”/pair to one of your Mobile Phone Pairing slots. Enjoy!

[@darlenehemstreet823]

This video solved my communication issue using 2 Sena and 2 Cardo devices. Thank you

[@arielban1]

Hello Darlene, how is this working for you? Two of my friends have Sena and I have bold? Wondering if I should just buy a Sens Evo to pair up with the two

[@hallstuart6604]

Awesome vid! Thank you so much! It’s so difficult to find a video that explains this so well. Thank you sir.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Hall Stuart Right on, thanks!! Glad it was useful 👍

[@graemeshaw9716]

Very, very well explained. Thank you.

[@LIFEINSPEED]

The only guy on KZbin with a brain Thank you!

[@jackstrawfromwitchita5978]

thanks for this much needed video and using comon terms to explain it, we have been trying to include our friend for the last year but the quick start guides dont explain this very well.

[@007lutherking]

Thanks for the trick. The only way cardo connects to senna is when you put senna in universal pairing and put cardo in phone pairing mode. Mine is older cardo freaking scala g4 powerset. It's matching pair isn't accepting change and i tried to open it and ended up stripping the screws ffs now gonna take th3 hammer to it

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Haha love the comment 🔨. On the new Cardo and Sena units they now pair up in native (real) intercom pairing but on the older stuff that’s just the way it’s gotta be. Anyways, best of luck!

[@stevewest131]

Another great video. I have to say I didn't know, or understand, why pairing different brands was so hit and miss..... I do now, thanks.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Steve West Thanks for the feedback!

[@DatBikerDude]

Thanks, except the Chinese vnetphone v8 bridges between two different brands. So you can have a sense, v8, cardo and they'll all be in a conference

[@ChosenBlood1]

Jezus this needs to get more views!

[@AndreasOtte]

Highly appreciated introduction and explanation!

[@swatz22]

Great description on this! Just got my packtalk slim and I'm new to these helmet headsets and i have a friend that has sena but i was really sold on the packtalk slim and really wanted to get something i wanted and not something i didnt want and i have another friend who's also looking to getting his soon and idk if hes going sena or cardo (most likely cardo) but connecting with 1 another due to different brands was something i was afraid of but this video helped out alot with all the detailed information and answered my questions I was getting ready to ask lol

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Awesome and thanks for the comment @Hector Roman !

[@wernerft]

thanks a lot.. you ve shown it perfect. and at last switch the inertc. button.. thats why it does nt work here. now it fits.

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

Problem is range. As with all bluetooth phone pairing, range may be less than 30m.

[@chadwicoff6378]

This is crazy ..maybe they have something better for the new systems but I have these older ones. 2 sena expand 2.0 sena10 and packtalk bold. After some hours and frustration.... I've been able to get them all working 2 times but it was a miracle both times. Thanks for this video. I believe I will delete all pairings and connect all the sena via intercom..then add the packtalk via its Bluetooth. 🤞 . High concern with messing it all up again but I will report back.

[@chadwicoff6378]

Got it. Thanks ! Just as stated .

[@demonlunk7492]

I know this video is a bit old, but I'm having issues connecting my freecom 4x to my friends sena.. she put her sena in universal pairing mode, I put mine in phone 2 pairing mode, but nothing happened. They both kept searching.. Thoughts?

[@papajulietromeo-650]

Same problem with a Scorpion Exo-Com (made by uclear) and a Sena 30k. Scorpion will pair to any mobile device or PC, Sena will pair to any Headset, but they just won‘t connect to each other.

[@MathieuTechMoto]

Thank you for the nice and clear explanation

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Thanks!

[@coryperemsky]

Thanks for the explanation. All the manuals make it seem like you put both devices into universal pairing, nowhere does it mention that one has to connect like it would a phone... I have a sena and my friend has a cardo, we struggled to figured it out but this video solved it. One thing though I noticed is that it only works when the sena goes into universal pairing mode and the cardo until is connected via phone pairing, they will connect if the cardo does universal pairing and the sena connects via phone mode but neither of us can hear or talk to each other. Just have to make sure the sena is the one in universal pairing. Now to try and see if I can add my other friend with a senna to the group at the same time... Manual says you can but it is not very clear.

[@artiecisneros4691]

Great and simple explanation even I am able to understand, thank you.

[@avramlubliner-walters5867]

Off all riders like to listen to music through their phones while they ride, does the rider who is in Bluetooth mode lose the option to listen to their music?

[@2Ronin666]

1.thanks for the video,great job. 2. If it’s a pack talk bold & a sena 20,paired like that, what happens next time they see each other? Same process? Thanks

[@MotoGeekFreak]

1. Right on, thank you! 2. Theoretically, and if neither of you have paired to someone/something else that would have taken that same "pairing slot', then you would already be paired and set to go next time you see each other. However, because Universal Pairing from any brand will rob the mobile phone pairing slot of one of the headsets, most people will end up pairing their Actual mobile phone back to their headset after the ride, in which case blowing out the pairing to you and you'll have to use this same pairing process next time you meetup. Hope that makes sense.

[@2Ronin666]

MotoGeek Freak thanks for the reply! Follow up: cardo has 2 slots right, but so does the 20S? So shouldn’t they be able to work w the phones fine and then pair back up?

[@VlcAlexx]

Perfectly explained, thanks!

[@fanatic1763]

Very informative! My friends have some CellularLine (italian brand) intercoms but i really want a cardo. I still can't figure out if those intercoms support the universal pairing but at least i know there is a way

[@anselmodaosta2518]

very helpful video! i have a packtalk slim and my girlfriend a sena 3s plus, i'm going mad to paring them... but if i connect as a phone sena to cardo and make the same procedure viceversa, will i be able to start the conversation not only from cardo to sena but also from sena to cardo? thank you!

[@earlebird4262]

Excellent video. Thank you. You said that DMC mode is far superior. I'm assuming you mean superior to Bluetooth intercom. What is your opinion of DMC mode vs Sena open mesh? Do you have a video on that?

[@georgemeads8019]

Nice video! Between the two communication devices, which one do you prefer and why? Thank you for your time.

[@tobymansourian]

Fantastic explanation easy, well done and thank you. Could you recommend a bluetooth remote control for Cardo Packtalk please? Many thanks 😊

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Thanks for the comment! Only bluetooth remote control I'm aware of for the Packtalk is the "Cardo Connect" mobile app. Check it out if you haven't already...it acts as a full-fledged remote control of the headset and actually works well.

[@JmVideos99]

Thanks for the video, but can you try and help I am trying to connect a Cardo G9 to BTS2 intercom, I tried a lot of different ways but they don't seem to connect in any way

[@Magicinstalls]

I’ve done a lot of experimenting with cross pairing brands. I’ve concluded that Bluetooth it’s just a crappy technology and produces static every time it’s used. I do not recommend cross pairing brands only mesh between the same brands. What’s further hindering is a phone connection pairing is only meant to go between the phone and the headset which is usually around 2 feet away from each other. Now you’ve taken that headset and put it on another rider a quarter-mile away and for sure is going to get static and drop out. When you introduce a Bluetooth headset into a clean connection mesh system, you cause static for everybody. Not cool. Cross pairing is a waste of time just get the same brand units and mash them together

[@jongavilamusic3064]

Very well said. It's crappy idea to connect with other brand. Big waste of time. For sure, this guy doesn't even experience what he is saying. It only tells us things about connecting to other brand but doesn't really experience it himself.

[@jag1963]

I pair with my cheap Lexin to a cardo and we can be a hundred yards or more than 5 vehicles apart and hear each other clear as a bell.

[@Mark-q7i1m]

​@@jag1963- I've found my Packtalk Bold works really well with some of the cheap intercoms and I too can achieve some decent distance and still be able to hear clearly. I really rate the Packtalks even in Bluetooth mode.

[@jasonfeazel3806]

Great video super helpful thanks so much 😁

[@fernandotiani6925]

Hello MotoGeek, Greetings!! I am in a group and we have 01 Packtalk Bold (this will be me on Bluetooth mode) 04 Cardo Freecom4 + 01 Senna 20S + 02 V6. When we connect all cardo's only, we have no problem, but when we try to get all brands connected than we have a problem. Perhaps would you help us to find the proper way to get all these different brands together listening/talking? we could never get more than 4 connected I appreciate your videos, very helpful !!!

[@MrMuhdhaiqal1121]

Awesome video explanatiom! Just a question, what if there's 3 different brands of intercoms? Can all 3 be paired together?

[@davidserretti1794]

Its exactly he said on video... I think nope...

[@zx6rage430]

hi! so if majority in my group uses sena and I’m the only one with packtalk bold, I won’t be able to hear them during ride? correct me if I’m wrong. I can only connect to one of them? say 5 users of sena then me as lonesome cardo user in the group.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Hey! Good question and YES you should be able to hear/talk to all of them. The sena should absolutely be able to do that. You'll only be directly paired to one of them (using the method above) but it will basically bring you into their exiting conversation. Keep in mind, if some of them start switching to Packtalk, that will change everything. Then you would have the Packtalks grouped together in Mesh (way better than Bluetooth for group comms) and bring the remaining Senas into the coversation. Hope that helps and good luck!

[@MrEd6066]

So I can't listen to music on my cardo AND be in comunication with the SENA because the Sena is the 2nd phone audio source.And the Sena can't listen to music for the same reason. Is that right?

[@edwardishaq]

Thats my understanding too, but would love to hear a confirmation from @motogeek

[@senatechnologies]

Hi. If the Sena headset supports the Audio Multitasking or Audio Overlay feature then that will allow someone to be talking over the intercom with a non-Sena headset and listen to music at the same time.

[@thepesener]

Hello, I have a question, I am using 50s, my friend is listening to music in the background during a conversation with the 20s intercom. I 50s music is cut off.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Is your friend using a Cardo or is this all Sena involved?

[@thepesener]

@@MotoGeekFreak my friend sena 20s i sena50s

[@priyangh]

Hi, I tried to pair BMW communication system with Sena SC2 (for Schuberth C5) did not work. BMW is not visible to Sena. Any thoughts? Thanks

[@doingstuffwiththecards4446]

Trying to do cardo freecom 4+ to a Lexin b4fm. I go to cardo gateway pairing and then mobile pairing on the Lexin and can’t get them to pair. Do I need to turn Bluetooth off or the cardo app off or stop cell connection to cardo? I am struggling….

[@vincentcaballes5050]

Hi sir. In my understanding, if you have 5 cardo and 5 other non cardo, they can still talk simultaneously together to each other, right? For this to work, we need each of the cardo to connect to each of non cardo via BT mode, bring those non cardo into the table and simultaneous talking will be obtained. Is that correct? We came from Cardo but sold it to buy a cheaper intercom. Our other friends still use cardo and we wanted to know if we can still talk simultaneously even if we use a non cardo device.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Yes you nailed it, that is exactly correct 👍

[@KevinJones-ut6tg]

My bother has a Paltalk Bold. Is there a way i can pair my phone or perhaps just the Bluetooth earbuds to his system?

[@ferrarihodnett]

Is there anyway of listening to music too when both cardo and sena are working together

[@tyty101696]

You Sir are a KING

[@YBGuy]

Great explanation MotoGeek!

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Right on, thanks!

[@Fee.1]

@@MotoGeekFreak so the “mesh” headsets can only do the mesh deal with coms from the same brand ?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

@@Fee.1 Yeah mesh-to-mesh can only be done within the same brand. BUT, say we had 2 Packalks connected in DMC mesh and 1 Sena 30k (sena mesh capable headset)....we could get all 3 headsets talking, but the relationship between the Packtalk and the 30k would be a Bluetooth connection, not mesh. Hope that makes sense!

[@Fee.1]

@@MotoGeekFreak yep makes sense thanks, just ridiculous it’s implemented that say when Theresa no technical reason or excuse for not making them compatible, one or both companies have decided to take that route for max profits (which i imagine is backfiring) and that’s not cool

[@MotoGeekFreak]

@@Fee.1 I feel you on that!!

[@Kili_Rider]

What about signal. Is it week when i pair another intercom like mobile phone?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Yes, the range is (unfortunately) definitely reduced when pairing two different brands together.

[@Kili_Rider]

@@MotoGeekFreak arrr. How much it might be reduced. I want to buy third intercom. I have two Sena smh10r. And now i would like to buy Freedcon tmax-s v3.

[@tjrunlimited]

Great video and discussion that follows. Here’s my question. Three riders, each with a different unit. One is a new Top of the line Sena, one is a cheap but otherwise fine Lexin BF4-FM, and the third is a late model Cardo PacTalk. If at all possible, what is the sequence to connect all three for communications while riding. Thanks.

[@Ladosligese]

just use Discord .. or conference call via Phone .. and done you wont have the low range req

[@TremourSphereUK]

me and my lass have this setup and we both find the quality pretty bad and very quiet too.. would it be louder and better if we both had bluetooth with a cardo unit?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Cardo-to-Cardo is DEFINITELY a better experience than Cardo-to-Non-Cardo regarding intercom quality. For sure.

[@earlebird4262]

What is the range like when Sena is paired to cardio?

[@tonygill6734]

Hey, am trying to pair a blue tooth push to talk button, dongle attached to my walkie talkie (yaesu FT-4x) to a Sena SPH10H-FM headset. When I push the PTT the radio connects but the audio doesn’t transmit. Any ideas?

[@andreleclair4921]

Hi, i have paired my packtalk slim to a cheap Bluetooth set. But we cant hear each other...seems like we're paired and thats all....

[@krishkrithivasan959]

Awesome video! Thank you!

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Right on thanks!

[@IEVLV8]

this is why all brands should be regulated to use the same signal system, DMC should be cross platform while still keep the bt link to you individual phone linked

[@ToddBryantsr]

Do you mean like getting the government involved?

[@khaccanhle1930]

"regulation" is not necessary. Almost all electronics use USB system. Not because of any regulation, but because of the flexibility of the technology and from consumer demand. Regulation is an intellectually lazy option that usually freezes technology on a device that no one eventually wants.

[@dp4racing]

My wife has a bold. Wants to ride with a Sena equipped group. I probably won’t be there to help. I plan on teaching her to put the Cardo in phone pairing mode & have someone with a Sena 50 pair with her & bridge her to the group. Can you tell me how to put the Sena into the correct pairing mode? I want to hand the instructions to her so it gets done right. I’m thinking the Sena owner probably won’t know how.

[@cartmen501]

Great video, wish i had seen then while i was attempting to pair comms between my brother and I. had a questions though which i have not see anything out yet for it. Firmware now allows sena's to multitask however after pairing with each other i can't seem to get the multitasking to work on either systems. I have a Cardo packtalk slim and my brother has the Sena SRL.

[@alexanderking3971]

I still can't figure out how to connect my sena 10c evo to a group of cardos...

[@paulstrijakov5127]

So hold on, the way i see it, i would have to get my pack talk slim into a BT mode to connect with 2 senas? Would i loose connection with my phone? Would i auto connect when back in range?

[@evo9500]

As far as I understood, if you have 2 senas and 1 pack talk it goes like this. The 2 senas connect via normal intercom and then, one of the senas additionally activates universal intercom and you have to activate your "mobile phone connection" and slide into the mobile phone slot of the sena. I don't know if you're able to use your phone in that configuration, haven't tested it yet.

[@HugoHamaoui]

HI MototGeek, Thanks for all the valuable information, it is great!!! Quick question when pairing with my friend who rides with the GT-Air II specific SRL 2 Bluetooth Communication System by Sena We pair great, but if we are just maybe 500 feet it's start to disconnect, is there a way to get that miles going or not really!? Thanks again!

[@MotoGeekFreak]

@Hugo Hamaoui Thanks!! Unfortunately, anytime you're pairing one brand to a different brand, the intercom range REALLY takes a hit. The only real way to solve the range-issue when dealing with different brands is to call each other through your phones...but then of course you need to be within service range. Sorry to not be more helpful but hope it helps!

[@HugoHamaoui]

MotoGeek Freak that’s perfect thanks 🙏🏻 !!!:)

[@MotoMasterAccessories]

@@MotoGeekFreak we can also try a discord server option...

[@richstewart1]

Are you saying one rider has to give up their cell phone in cross brand pairing? So one rider can't listen to music and such from his cell phone? Can you use Bluetooth to communicate?

[@idigyou]

Tnkyou sir, very usefull 👍🏻👍🏻

[@streetrider11]

All my friends got senas but I want a cardo. Doesn't sound like it would work out very fell for group rides tho. Maybe I'll just get the solo cardo one and stick with hand signals and yelling at stop lights

[@MotoGeekFreak]

lol! Convince those cats to go with Cardo's DMC Mesh and they'll be able to talk without spending an hour in the parking lot getting paired-up every time!!! 😎

[@bramvangalen1483]

Hi Motogeek. So if im correct i can't pair with a cardo bold, sena s10 and sena s20 if i have a cardo packtalk bold greetings

[@MotoGeekFreak]

You should be able to pair the 2 Sena units together using “normal” Intercom, then use one of the Sena unit’s Universal Intercom pairing to pair with the Packtalk’s mobile pairing. Since there is 2 Sena and 1 Cardo in your scenario, it has to be the Sena that uses Universal Intercom Pairing. If it was the opposite, then it would be the Cardo to use Universal Intercom pairing. Hope that helps!

[@ggggmotovlog]

Question. What if I connect my cardo spirit (2 way) to cardo 4x but the 4x is also connected to other 4x. What will I hear on my cardo spirit? Will I hear all other 4x?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Yes - you will hear them and they will hear you, will work great 👍

[@LeadingEdgeFitness1]

So are you saying that if I connect intercom between one unit to say, a Sena, the first unit can have intercom and a phone connnection for music, but the Sena can have intercom only - no connection to a phone for music?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

As described in this video, yes. BUT, there's been an update from Cardo since I made this, and that update allows the Cardo and Sena to pair together using their standard Bluetooth Intercom Pairing on both sides! If the Sena has BT v4.1 or higher, then disregard this video and pair them together using normal intercom pairing on both sides (Cardo and Sena). If it's an older Sena, or some other brand, then this video is the way you need to do it. Hope that helps!

[@LeadingEdgeFitness1]

​@@MotoGeekFreak Thanks so much for taking time to reply. I am having no luck. I am trying to connect a Fodsports M1S pro to a phone, a Sena SMH 5 to a phone, and then the two to intercom. The Fodsports is ok. But once intercom is connected the Sena will not connect to a phone, and cannot intiate an intercom call. Videos keep saying press the jog dial - no matter what length of time I press the jog dial for, the Sena just goes in to a continual double beeping.

[@kzmotovlog988]

thank you so much this video is very useful for me

[@ddrand2]

AWESOME Video!!! I wish we would have watched it first before banging our heads against the wall trying to figure it out. I have (2) questions, My Cardo (Universal intercom pairing mode) is paired to a Sena(Phone pairing mode) as explained in your video. But (1) the Sena can't use it's intercom feature. It can only call me just like they would call for a pizza. Is that right? Hence the "Phone pairing mode". And (2) Even though we are connected. When my Cardo intercom connects to talk to the Sena, the call drops within seconds of the connect. Can this be fixed?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Thanks!! (1) That's correct. When paired as you described, the Sena "thinks" it's paired to an actual phone, hence they would have to tap the mobile button in the back to start/end intercom with you. If it was paired the opposite way - Sena (universal pairing mode) to Cardo (mobile phone pairing mode) - then it would be the other way around, the Sena would use the Intercom wheel to activate/deactivate intercom, and the Cardo would have to tap the Mobile button to start/end an intercom session. (2) I've had this happen as well. Try doing a master reset on the Sena and attempt again. No idea why, but most of the time that works out the issue. Hope that all makes sense and helps out a bit!

[@mzgskater]

Is it possible to pair a Bluetooth-only Device like the Cardo Freecom 4 to another Cardo and a device of another brand at the same time and have a 3-way-communication? Everytime a try that arrangement, I can only talk to one of the two other Devices at the same time.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Yes you should be able to do that and have all 3 talk at the same time. Here's the way it should look: Cardo-to-Non-Cardo - Put the Cardo into Cardo Gateway/Universal Intercom pairing mode. Put the non-Cardo into Mobile Phone pairing mode. Once they pair, put the non-Cardo aside. It will be a single tab on the Cardo's Intercom button to open/close the intercom with this unit THEN Cardo-to-Cardo - Pair the two Cardo's together on their "Rider B Pairing" channel. It will be a double tap on the Cardo's Intercom button to open/close the intercom here. SO, to get them all talking, take the one Cardo that's paired to both the non-Cardo and the other Cardo. A single tap of the intercom button should open comms with the non-Cardo, then do a double tap on that same Intercom button to open comms with the other Cardo. At this point all 3 should be open and talking. Sorry for the novel and hope that helps!

[@coreydouglas1512]

I cant get a ejeas v6 to pare to a cardo. Any help would be appreciated.

[@rekhachauhan4101]

I would like to know about this to.. I have a V6 and my friend has a Cardo g9

[@HumanStateOfEmergency]

Ok so if four of my friends have Sena 20s I'll be able to join them with my cardo bold as long as one of them pairs with me through universal mode?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Yep, that's correct. If one of them goes to "Universal Pairing Mode", then you would HAVE to go to "Mobile Phone Pairing Mode" (because that's how universal pairings work) and that'll work. All 5 of you should be able to talk once the intercoms are opened up.

[@HumanStateOfEmergency]

@@MotoGeekFreak nice thanks for the quick reply I'm gonna buy the Cardo instead

[@freshconnekt]

Cell phone pairing uses BT so would that not pair with the restrictions of BT. So I can see it working as long as you stay in the limited range of BT?

[@bennelson942]

Seems to work. Although I can't listen to music though my cell phone when paired with a non Sena. Any suggesting in being able to use my cell phone when implementing this technique. By the way I use a sena s10.

[@natalierogers1343]

My husband is having the same problem. Music on Cardo doesnt work when "bridging" the sena. Flip bridge off music works, flip it back to bridge no worky

[@nj4040]

We even managed to connect cardo to cheap chinese tcom-sc somehow, but only for few times.

[@Stephento33]

If the Cardo is connected to the other brand system using universal intercom mode, I think it can still connect to his own mobile phone to listen to the music, right? But the one which is connected to this cardo system is by mobile phone pairing, can it still connect to his mobile phone?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

That is correct. And the one that is paired to the Cardo using it’s (the other headset) mobile phone pairing slot will likely not be able to pair to their actual phone. If that other headset can handle 2 mobile phone pairings, then yes they could also pair their phone to it but would only be able to use that phone when not talking on intercom, and it would take lower priority than the intercom pairing. Hope that make sense!

[@orhancebi5288]

Just this one video made me subscribe to the channel

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Awesome thanks for the comment!

[@rosmotovlog1357]

can you help me on how to connect a BT-S2/S3 to a Palcktalk slim? I have tried all the options you mentioned as well as the instructions on the cardo manual and no success. They achieve connection for 1 second and then the Cardo shuts off suddenly... every time. Do you know what the deal is?

[@videobandit]

My Cordo Freecom 2+ connected to the Sena 20S via phone bluetooth connection as you described. If I push the intercom button on the Freecom 2+ it opens a intercom connection with the Sena. BUT how do you initiate an intercom call from the Sena ? Pushing the phone button or the intercom button does nothing.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Ok cool, if you've got the two of them connected and talking that means you paired them up right (good job). In your case, to open up the intercom from the Sena you must use the phone button (don't even bother with the sena's intercom button, won't happen)...BUT, as you said, that's not working. I hate to say this but do a Master Reset on the Sena 20s, pair them up again the exact same way you did the first time, and that should fix it (you should then be able to initiate the intercom from the sena as well by pushing the sena's phone button once). Hope that helps!

[@BillReitz]

Very informative, thanks.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Thanks! I don’t think it’s ever been made clear before by the manufacturers and almost everyone I run into struggles with this aspect of their comm setup, so hopefully this helps out and they come across it at some point! Lol

[@BillReitz]

Would you mind if I share your video with the members of my Club the South Coast BMW Riders Club ? We motel / camp monthly plus day rides and this would help keep up together. I await your answer before I do anything.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Bill Reitz Thanks for asking and yes, absolutely. Most of my vids are on Packtalk (it’s the best d@mn intercom for motorcyclists by far) but I made this one to help out the riding community in general because it’s a real issue. So yes, absolutely!

[@alamat007]

Hi! Thanks for this. Learned so much. I have a question though. If my packtalk connects to sena via sena's universal pairing (meaning I'm on mobile pairing) how do i connect to that? Is the connection can only be initialized by the one whos in universal pairing mode? Thanks in advance.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

In this arrangement, you can initiate the intercom by pressing the "Mobile" button on your packtalk. Normally you use this button to pull up Siri or Google on your phone, but because the Sena is "hacking" into this port for the cross-brand pairing, when you click this button, it will (should) open the intercom session. Hope that makes sense and helps out!

[@tecdive8045]

Does it matter which slot, Mobile Phone 1 or 2, the other brand pairs to?

[@mrhienlq]

I can not pair my cardo in universal intercom with the V6 pro in mobile mode.

[@VaBraAnton]

So me and my friend has a brand called Interphone. This has Bluetooth, but not mesh capability. 1. How could we both talk to a small group of Sena users? 2. And how could we add in a cardo user or two? Should have bought the same brand yes, but now this is what we've got :P

[@Never4filled]

Which one would you purchase for personal use if you prefer listening to your music and answering calls? The Packtalk Bold or 20S or 20S evo

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Both models will do that just fine (in fact MOST models out there would handle that fine), but, if comparing the Packtalk Bold to a 20s/20s Evo (the two 20s models are literally the same, just a different antenna and USB port cover), the JBL sound and the Natural Voice command ability give Packtalk Bold a pretty darn solid plus. Hope that helps and best of luck!

[@hacantub]

Ís it possible to connect a 2 Way radio with bluetooth connection and use Radio as an extended network

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Yes I believe so! If the 2-way radio has Bluetooth I don’t see why not, would love to know how it works out if you give it a try 👍

[@kristiandaugaard7495]

I have a cardo packtalk slim and a cardo freecom 1+ for my passenger. However they wont pair when i try this. I have the slim in cardo gateway and the freecom in searching for a mobile device. However they keep flashing and not connecting

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Hi there. Since the packtalk slim and freecom 1+ are both Cardo headsets, you don't want to be using "cardo gateway" pairing mode (that's only for when pairing to a NON-cardo headset). SO, on both units, press and hold the "Intercom" button until you see the LED start flashing red. This will put both of them in the correct pairing mode. Once the LED goes solid red, then returns to a normal/slow blue flash, the units are paired together for intercom. Good luck and hope that helps!

[@drewtucker6923]

Do I understand you correctly, if two bikers are communicating successfully with bluetooth intercom one rider will not be able to use his cellphone with it?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

If you have two people with different brands communicating successfully via bluetooth, they yes, one of them will not be able to use his cellpone during that intercom session because their headset already thinks it's on a active phone call (as a result of the way it is paired). If their headset can only pair to 1 mobile phone, then they won't be able to pair to a "real phone" at all. If their headset can pair with 2 mobile phones (most modern headsets) then yes they could have their "real phone" paired as well, but would not receive anything from it while talking to the other headset. Hope that makes sense!

[@popsiclesoda445]

Say I have a Cardo and pair to a Sena, will my cardo still be paired with my phone so I can listen to music?

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Best way to set this up would be to have the Cardo use universal intercom pairing mode (Cardo Gateway) to "tap into" the Sena. This way your Cardo is treating the relationship like a "real intercom pairing" and you would absolutely still be able to be paired to your phone

[@rickymccarthy331]

What about when you have the bmw interface

[@michalispolyzos]

great video! thanks man

[@fzmxtg]

We tried this with my friends Senna, but this seemed to lose its connection to my cell phone and connected as a headset to his, so now I could chat to hi but now was unable to hear any music on my phone. Should this have been done following the steps for adding a 2nd cell phone ?

[@jcabuan]

If your “hacking” the other unit by thinking that’s it’s connected to a Bluetooth device, how far can the range possibly be? I can imagine if it was a rider and a passenger, it wouldn’t be a problem.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

In my experience, any time you have one brand pairing to a different brand the range is DEFINITELY pretty tight. You have one side treating it like a phone (super short range) and the other treating it like an intercom (longer range), and where they meet ends up pretty short range.

[@rickiekm]

So, if the Sena is connected to the packtalk as a phone, then does that mean that the Sena can not be connected to their own phone at the same time. I am thinking that the Sena owner would have to disconnect their phone before this is tried. by the way, I love your videos...

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Thanks! Yes for the most part you nailed it. However, if the Sena you are "hacking into" (universally pairing with) has the ability to pair with 2 mobile phones, then that person (the sena user) COULD pair to their actual phone as well. Example: "Mobile phone pairing 1" would be taken by your Packtalk, and "Mobile phone pairing 2" would be his ACTUAL phone. Your Packtalk will be treating the relationship with the Sena as a true intercom connection, and the Sena would be treating the relationship as a "mobile phone" connection. Hope that makes sense and answers the question!

[@ELPECEE]

I have a PackTalk and all my friends have Sena. I know how to pair them (I'm usually the one in Universal Pairing Mode because around these parts Sena users don't know how to operate their device, and I know how to set a Sena to phone pairing mode). The problem is, once paired, the mic stays hot like you are in a phone call, and doesn't drop unless I disconnect the "call". But then I have to push the button again to open the channel again. No too handy. This hot mic issue may be caused by wind noise or engine noise causing the sena mic to vox open, I'm not sure. Do you have any idea what the problem is and if it's fixable?

[@susierebelryder492]

Problem is the one headset that has to give up a paired device. Many pair to a phone and GPS or CB bluetooth device. If so how to pair to another headset? Shouldn't have to give up a pairing.

[@MotoGeekFreak]

Totally agree but yes unfortunately that's exactly right. If you're going to pair 2 headsets together that are different brands, then ONE of them will be giving up a "paired device" (like phone, GPS, etc.). Since conception, this is how every brand has obtained "Universal Intercom"........one goes into "Universal Pairing Mode" (and that one doesn't have to give up a device pairing) and the other goes to "Mobile Phone Pairing" because it's being tricked into thinking that it's pairing up to a phone. Hopefully that will eventually change!