Meshuggah Rational Gaze ~ Composer Reaction and Dissection ~ The Decomposer Lounge

[@enemyofthesun000]

This whole album "Nothing" is out of this world.

[@isaackmojica8302]

I see...man of culture !!

[@sou1daddy503]

You could say that 'Nothing' is better!

[@isaackmojica8302]

@@sou1daddy503 true nothing is A catch in a kolossal violent Sleep

[@isaackmojica8302]

@@BbNaB an unmatched masterpiece .....yet matched by their follow Up. true Magnus opus!!!

[@neosmith8933]

It's outta sight man Far out

[@morrowcosom]

Meshuggah Riffs: The hardest 3 note riffs you’ll ever learn

[@t3hgir]

Amen

[@domanz1]

those bends that you do from a note you have to bend before you play it? or the timing that needs to be perfect? Yes I know what you mean. It's accessible on one hand, and seems impossible to master on the other. I love how meshuggah just goes into the 180 degree opposite direction of all that fancy sweep picking, play as fast as you can movement. Nah. Rhythm and timing, that's the juice.

[@codigoceropokemmo]

Less is more

[@thehairygull]

I remember watching Dean from Archspire trying to learn Dancers and he was so thrown off it really surprised me normally he picks riffs up pretty quick for the most part but he really couldn’t pick up the timing

[@camerongearhart8156]

@@domanz1I do like juice.

[@wolverine669]

For me "Nothing" was THE Meshuggah album that got me into that rabbit hole.

[@morilot]

Destroy Erase Improve, for me.

[@wolverine669]

@@morilot indeed! But what I meant, Nothing was the album that really got me into Meshuggah

[@morilot]

@@wolverine669 I heard them live in 96, thats when I really got hooked. But then I had already heard the album and they were awesome live.

[@neosmith8933]

The demo version of Closed Eye Visuals came out right as I was starting High School. Such a time.

[@guitaristssuck8979]

Chaosphere for me

[@6ic6ic6ic]

Meshuggah was 1 of the first bands to drag me into complex musical compositions. The beauty is in how they dance around the 4/4 so you can still bang your head like a pro. Legends.

[@NoNo_IStay]

👏👏👏👏much yes. Big agree

[@PowerfulWarbird]

You username XD

[@williamcozart8158]

They are the greatest.

[@xavkoston16]

Yeah, fake 4/4 is the best time signature hahaha

[@josuastangl7140]

@@xavkoston16 I love me some good fake 4/4

[@allcartuner]

Let me point out one of the oldest Meshuggah memes at 5:29 "i like juice, energy of truth, filtered vitamin substance".

[@V3xxe]

Yup! This was back when the Meshuggah song everyone obsessed over was Future Breed Machine haha

[@MellonVegan]

Isn't it finish your juice instead of energy of truth?

[@gongal]

based

[@static_motion]

I LIKE JUICE IT IS A TRUE FILTERED VITAMIN SUBSTANCE AND FRIED RICE ROLLING IN GERMAN, GERMAN EGG WHITES EVERYTHING IS SALMON SEPARATED ONE FIN AT A TIME

[@TheSadSadBanana]

"I like juice, it is the true, filtered vitamin substance"

[@SayBiird]

These guys don’t neglect lyrics, they put just as much thought into their lyrics as they do their music A lyrical review would be an even further eye opener to the talent and pride they put into their music Great job reviewing the original edition of Rational Gaze and not the remastered 👍👍

[@Koivisto147]

I second this

[@Tom-hl8ug]

@@Koivisto147 I third this. Never realised really till i saw the live vid of millenium cyanide christ with subs. Sci-fi poetry!

[@Weeping_Somnambulist]

Go read the lyrics for "I". Fucking dark epic poetry 👍

[@ddrumdude]

I'm not really a lyric guy but after listening to the lyrics of perpetual black second I definitely started paying more attention to their lyrics.

[@flyingdart9819]

I like juice, it is the true filtered vitamin substance 🤘

[@medicineman79]

I can't unhear: I like juice! Amazing live band, looked like most of the audience went into a trance.

[@floydfletcher7174]

Its a true filtered vitamin substance 🤘

[@CyclopticAether]

EVERYTHING IS SALMON SEPARATED ONE FIN AT A TIME

[@Wolf-fl4gi]

​@@CyclopticAetherDUH WE OUT OF TEA JAMAICANS REAL!

[@nondescriptcat5620]

NEVER DRINK FROM THE CARAMELIZED

[@TraceVandal]

I like juice...it is a true, filtered vitamin substance...

[@ben_6975]

Always heard "I like juice, finish your juice, filtered vitamin substance". Pleases me this is still going

[@Koivisto147]

EVERYTHING IS SALMON SEPARATED ONE FIN AT A TIME

[@Pablo-ny5mp]

It's all right!

[@Uzielsquibb]

“TASTE THE LOTION!!”

[@terimott3822]

Key of geebz please please please.do a decapitated track

[@into_the_void]

It's what you do on this channel : Everything examined , seperated one thing at a time 🤘😂❤️

[@sam_metal]

that's it!!! 🤘🏻

[@papaemeritus5842]

You have to check out "straws pulled at random" out of that Album!

[@coma718ny]

My favorite off nothing

[@KORKEL-]

I recently discovered Devin Townsends old band, Strapping Young Lad, and they have some pretty amazing songs. I would recommend listening to Skesis from their Alien album.

[@deathmetaldownhiller7874]

The New Black is a solid SYL option as well

[@thewik-thewik]

Angry Devy

[@replicaofsurreal]

Shitstorm.

[@shawnblondin]

Yes

[@immortalzealot9725]

City is my go to.

[@thenothing777]

Just after the first pause "I like juice, finish your juice, filtered vitamin substance" Cannot unhear

[@grrrom991]

despite my constant nagging for “The Wolf is Loose”, I feel obliged to join the chorus for Mastodon’s “The Last Baron” (“Divinations” though…)

[@williamcozart8158]

I'm joining you in suggesting the wolf is loose, well the last baron too, but the wolf is loose is cooler.

[@Slaughterhauzen]

Seabeast, Capillarian Crest, Where Strides the Behemoth, Aqua Dementia, Megalodon, Mother Puncher, Halloween, Clandestiny, Crack the Sky...soooo many I would love to see

[@hyenascar]

For the love of all that you hold holy do anything from Crack the Sky, which would include Last Baron......so....yeahLasdt Baron

[@JarodRebuck]

Love Mastodon

[@slowprodigy]

How about The Czar?

[@ProgPiglet]

Yeh one of the reasons I love meshuggah is because Jens actually yells full throttle into the mic. It matches the intensity of the music. And you were right in being confused about what to call that, because no one in metal really screams like that, in that style, besides Gojira. Most vocalists go into that low growl pocket or shriek like tortured hyenas.

[@richardharrold9736]

How is his voice not totally shot to pieces after thirty years of screaming his balls off?!

[@PanasonicTooth]

I clicked on this so damn quickly, your a godsend Geebz!

[@zapper4945]

Lethargica and Demiurge are great Meshuggah songs Their grooves are one of a kind

[@tmrogers87]

Demiurge is so sick, 1000%

[@Wittygangster]

Lethargica has to be one of the heaviest songs ever written

[@williamcozart8158]

I think Geebz already reacted to Demiurge, also the drum play-through for Clockworks and a few others.

[@Slaughterhauzen]

Demiurge....try not to headbang. I dare you.

[@zapper4945]

@@Slaughterhauzen it’s scientifically impossible to not headbang to Demiurge

[@joelcprice]

Straws Pulled at Random. Unreal tune and one of the coolest things they've ever done.

[@rafanj824]

Especially in the original version. That snare gets me so freaking hard dude, groovy as hell!!!

[@TheMajesticFreak]

Check out their other tracks: Sickening, Neurotica, Stengah, Perpetual Black Second, and Demiurge. This band opened up a whole new world of technical metal to me.

[@matheuscarvalhodrums2972]

Some songs from meshuggah you might enjoy reacting to. Future breed machine ( a must ) Beneath Suffer in truth New millennium cyanide Christ ( a must) Corridor of Chameleons ( a must ) Neurotica Stengah Straws pulled at random ( a must ) Nebulous I ( a must ) Combustion Electric Red Lethargica Obzen Pineal Gland Optics ( this one is a must) Dancers to discordant system (this one is also a must, IMO the best they have ever made) I am colossus Do not look down ( great song, I guess the grooviest song I ever heard ) Marrow Break those Bones Whose Sinews gave it motion Demiurge ( a must ) Born in Dissonance ( a must ) Violent sleep of reason Nostrum ( a must ) Pretty sure you’re going to enjoy all of this songs. One of my top bands for a long time now. I could have put much more songs, but I guess this ones will give you a better comprehension of what a phenomenon meshuggah is. Cheers🤟🏽🤟🏽.

[@willlewis153]

Glad you included “break those bones whose…..” I feel like this song gets overlooked a lot

[@williamcozart8158]

Great fucking list!

[@williamcozart8158]

@@willlewis153 Lol "Break Those Bones...", god damned too long of a title to even type out in full but an awesome song.

[@kraterkop]

Man this band has so many bangers. Looking at this awesome list and still so much is missing!

[@matheuscarvalhodrums2972]

@@kraterkop yeah I know… just couldn’t put more because there is a limit of words😅😅. At least I think there is. But totally there are so many songs of them there are ridiculously good.

[@DoomsdayIsComing73]

You sir, would really enjoy the band Car Bomb. I recommend the songs “Scattered Sprites” or “Dissect Yourself”. Off their newest release. Maybe start there since those seem to be slightly more accessible, however their time changes, and sudden drops into a groove, I guarantee, will fascinate you!

[@Mr_Beebird]

I think he already did a Car Bomb video (Gratitude)

[@spaantz]

I would say HeLa and Mordial are more accessible than Dissect Yourself. Or maybe I just never got into the laser gun sound

[@kraterkop]

Car Bomb recommendations always get my thumbs up. I'm suggesting Sets, Nonagon or Spirit of Poison

[@bb-sw6ur]

He did Gratitude but I'm waiting for him to do more. NONAGON!!

[@PanasonicTooth]

@@bb-sw6ur Yes I agree, but I'm even keener for Spirit Of Poison, that track is incredible.

[@RileyMerlino]

Meshuggah may be the greatest band to work out to. You should listen to the remastered version of this song with the blue album cover. They re-recorded the guitars with their 8 string guitars instead of this version which had down-tuned 7 string guitars. I definitely prefer it. Great analysis man🤘

[@Dominico97]

I like juice, it Is a true filtered vitamin substance.

[@1dudecrush]

Man oh man, you’ve gotta check out Swarm by these guys. The way it builds, the themes they build percussively and musically. It’s so great. It feels like an anthem of the wasps, the marching drums of a hive mind. So so good.

[@rmr5044]

I much prefer the live version from The Ophidian Trek live album. Such a badass song

[@Jesus0nSteroids]

Huge Meshuggah fan and Swarm is probably my favorite track, criminally underrated. Such a swingy groove!

[@jonny5696]

When I was introducing my metal head/guitarist friend to Meshuggah (he wasn't a huge fan before) I showed him Swarm. When it gets to the drop after the build up at 3:58 he just immediately stopped the song, rewound it 20 seconds and grabbed his guitar and spent the next 5 minutes trying to work out the riff because he was so blown away by how awesome it was. He's a converted man now.

[@226butters226]

The production on Koloss might be my favorite of their albums

[@OmegaBlacc]

Rhythmic perfection. Had the primal drums going the whole song. My second favorite Meshuggah track

[@sprthhfk]

Please do a lyric analysis on this song. The drummer actually writes the lyrics and they are GENIUS

[@johndee9712]

yeah, he is plugged the fuck in

[@samenbi710]

he likes juice

[@uberwarlocker]

​@@samenbi710and pea soup

[@OneW1ngedDevil]

My absolute favorite part of all of your videos is watching you analyze the music; one can always see it in your eyes and body language (the solo for exmaple). You give everything an ACTUAL listen and I really enjoy your breakdowns.

[@KeyOfGeebz]

Wow, thank you!

[@davidfabish-wood5278]

This was the first Meshuggah song I ever listened to, it blew my mind as a 13 year old kid.

[@MetalOfAllOwns]

Im pretty sure anyone that wasnt massive into Meshuggah that heard this album. It changed their entire life, 100%. It took me a long time to appreciate this album because I was a thrash head at the time. Hearing the slow droning riffs and chugs was hard for me to get into, but once I started to understand and appreciate it, it is the reason why I have an 8 string :). I LIKE JUICE, FINISH YOUR JUICE, FILTERED VITAMIN SUBSTANCEEEE

[@Doabarrelrole]

Love this song! And every since I saw the misheard lyrics version, I can never not hear "I like juice, finish your juice, filtered vitamin substance" hahaha.

[@Frogmilk]

You'd love Catch 33, whole album is a journey. Also nothing got re-recorded an in my opinion sounds way better, look for the blue version of this album cover

[@MegaLaban12345]

I enjoyed this version a lot actually, but the Blue version is still superior.

[@AndrewKlinger]

@@MegaLaban12345 Agree! I don't think I've actually ever listened to this original version. I've jammed the re master countless times so this sounded off to me right off the bat, but once it settled in, there is really nothing off putting about this mix at all.

[@opethdan2408]

Or the album "I"

[@armelind]

This version was recorded with 7 string guitars downtuned, so it sounds a little less polished or a little rougher IMHO. Their 8 String guitars weren't ready yet. The blue version of this album, was re-recorded with the 8 string guitars and remixed. Catch-33 and this album are recorded with Programmed drums. Superior Drummer plugin. I managed to get the original Drumkit from Hell 2 when it first came out, because of these 2 albums.

[@sacredg6527]

The remaster would’ve been great if they had used organic drums instead of that weird sounding drum program. Threw off the entire dynamics of Tomas’ drumming. The ghost notes were muted and the time keeping on the hi hats was absent.

[@RustinRoark]

Hahahaha "man, that is dissonant" it sure is Geebz...it sure is

[@chrisjdgrady]

The song that started my Meshuggah obsession. Should do something from Catch 33... the first six parts are kind of like one song and a good stopping point imo

[@RogerLaLoutre]

Catch 33 is also kind of an interesting point in the band's discography. It's the first (and only?) album where all the drums are recorded from the "Drumkit from Hell". Basically, Thomas Haake recorded multiple different entries for each element of his physical drumkit, then this was used to record the drum part of this album. Yup. Technically, no physical drum was used to record Catch 33.

[@vacuity7147]

Catch Thirtythree is an absolute masterpiece. It's even a bit weird within the context of Meshuggah. Man I love that piece of art.

[@williamcozart8158]

LMAO that's awesome, "the first six parts are a good stopping point I think", trying to get him to listen to half the damn album aren't ya. That'd be sweet lol.

[@williamcozart8158]

@@vacuity7147 I actually like "I" better, although only 21 mins of music, but C33 was fucking amazing too.

[@vacuity7147]

@@williamcozart8158 only 21 minutes? 21 minutes of a banger lol. I's awesome too don't get me wrong, but for me Catch Thirtythree takes the cake overall. But it's Meshuggah, almost everything is phenomenal from these geniuses.

[@Katuulu]

PLEASE react to Alcest, they're amazing and you'd like them. I'd recommend Protection, Ouiseaux de proie or Percees de lumiere

[@AlkaC9]

That'll open the rabbit hole to bands like Amesoeurs, Lantlôs, Deafheaven... so I completely agree!

[@opethdan2408]

I love alcest

[@jbasti227]

I love Alcest so much, would love to see either of those songs. Maybe even Faiseurs de Mondes too

[@masonb9788]

Such a mind bending album. I’ve been listening to it for about.. what 15 years now? I still don’t fully grasp it.

[@PanasonicTooth]

Have you heard the instrumental version of NOTHING someone made on YT? If not you gotta check it out!

[@avengedfatty5490]

you should do "The Last Baron" by Mastodon next! you'll be mindblown!

[@tripxm]

maybe oblivion first

[@scosstard3542]

I know it might shock many, but Meshuggah's influence on Metal and Heavy Music is comparable to Sabbath, Metallica, Maiden, ... Yes their (commercial) success is not comparable but they are among the bands who defined a whole new way of playing guitar and composing songs. Nobody dared to tune their guitars that low before them, the use of 8 strings guitars was almost inexistant, this heavy use of polyrhythm and polymeter was marginal and nobody sounded like them when they eventually decided to adopt their style around the mid/end 90's. It took roughly 10 years for the Metal scene to digest what Meshuggah was doing and now even some mainstream rock songs use 8 strings guitar, and maybe even more impressive they influence some contemporary Jazz musicians. Their legacy is just incredible when you think about it. This song (and album) is the birth act of Djent. One of my favourite songs by them, one of the best riffs to headbang to despite its oddity! And the guitar tone was just so unusual at the time! Please check out: Dir En Grey - Vinushka :) And if you come back to Meshuggah, please check out Nostrum, one of their most underrated songs with some absolutely mindblowing drumming

[@the6ig6adwolf]

I was aware of Meshuggah back in the early 00's but wasn't a huge fan, that all changed after i watched them live in 2004-05. The live experience made me a fan then and to this day.

[@spinxz_314]

Same! I saw them live and was like I get it!! I I now get it!!

[@opethdan2408]

One of my favorite live bands. Just mind blowing and tight

[@derekfletcher8934]

Rational Gaze was my introduction to Meshuggah back in 2002. I still get chills every time I listen to it AND the urge to smash everything around me lol.

[@Zinfidel1]

Tool and Meshuggah were huge fans of each other. When Tool's 10,000 Days came out in 2006, it had a few Meshuggah-esque riffs. When Meshuggah's Obzen album released in 2008, it had a very Tool-esque riff towards the end of the album. Truly masters of their craft. :D

[@CodamATW]

«Were»? Are they not longer fans of eachother?

[@Zinfidel1]

@@CodamATW i would guess they are still fans of each other. I was just giving some light context for the 2 albums at the time but I see your point..

[@nondescriptcat5620]

i saw them when they toured together in like 2002 or 03. during Disposition/Reflection/Triad, Tomas Haake came out and played standing percussion with Tool. it was dope.

[@Lolaandcassidyadventures]

I saw Meshuggah open for Tool. Life changing.:)

[@RyTrapp0]

What really makes Meshuggah work is that, no matter how complex their arrangements get, there's always an even count at the foundation. It may be a struggle to keep it all the way through, it's often buried, but it's always there.

[@musicfan1585]

This is the song that got me into Meshuggah. Other great songs from this album: Stengah Perpetual Black Second Closed Eye Visuals Glints Collide Straws Pulled At Random

[@codigoceropokemmo]

When u get used to this song its imposible to not make the last scream

[@JeffWheezingGrampusGoddard]

I really enjoyed this reaction. Its always lovely to see one of your favourite tracks get some love and appreciation. If you ever feel like it, Future Breed Machine from their Destroy Erase Improve album is the first track of theirs I heard and cemented my love for them immediately. Id never heard anything quite like it. Like a fearsome engine running at its peak.

[@everyonelovesmajima]

There's also the acoustic version called Futile Bread Machine which I find quite amusing.

[@kyuzo6661]

"Corridor of Chameleons" by Meshuggah for your 1 year countdown!

[@MFKR696]

I've always loved the part of the verse sections/pre-choruses where they drop down a semitone. Makes my head bob every single time I hear it. What you said about it being in 4/4 is accurate. Most of Meshuggah's more-loved tracks are in 4/4, utilizing metric-displacement to achieve the ebb-and-flow of it. 'Shuggah doesn't use polymeters nearly as often as most people think. If you split your foot tapping into eighths, and lock into the cymbal that's smashing away on the 1's and 3's, it makes it a lot easier to "see" what they're doing, and how everything fits together logically. The main reason why Meshuggah is "your favorite Metal band's favorite metal band" is their clever use of metric-displacement over a standard groove; And also the main reason why most of the bands who try to rip them off fail. 'Tis not the kind of thing that over-analyzing will get one anywhere with lol. It's more of a feel than a technique, IMO, which is what makes it so great. Couple that with their Holdsworthian melodic-sense (like the dissonant lead you mentioned; It's got Allan Holdsworth all over it), and you've got a real tour-de-force.

[@jlshelton83]

Excellent choice, Geebz. Prob my most played Meshuggah track of all time since i was introduced to them in the early '00s. I vote New Milleneum Cyanide Christ or Dancers to a Discordant System for lyrical breakdown!

[@kierz0]

Amazing god damn band and songs, another legendary song by them is "Future Breed Machine"

[@MellonVegan]

Their live shows are absolutely incredible. Less of a performance than an experience. Also, just for shits and giggles, watch the short "Face of Wall Street" clip on YT. It's a bit from this song perfectly synced to an excerpt of Wolf of Wall Street and funny as hell.

[@di9italdubster]

The re-recorded/remastered version of "Nothing" is even better than the original! They recorded the songs using 8 string guitars. You should check it out!

[@legatrix]

I've been into Meshuggah for over ten years and I still can't get over how good they are. Every single time I listen to this song it's like listening to it for the first time!

[@coreymcnaught]

Be interested to know what Geebs thoughts would be on comparing the original Nothing recording with the re-recorded version of Nothing after they got their newer guitars. Also would suggest listening to Straws Pulled at Random. I would choose the re-recorded version but that’s me. The ending to that songs is actually one of my favorite pieces of music ever. So amazing to hear the brutality cleanse away into the sheer majesty and beauty of that ending.

[@jessaw8160]

Mudvayne Severed, please. Also more System of a Down would be awesome. Thanks, Geebz.

[@GuitarDiddlerJP15]

The man says he likes juice... Get the man some juice.

[@AA-ou2ye]

Nothing is by far the best album they found absolute new essence with this album

[@residuex]

I Like Juice, Finish you Juice, Filtered Vitamine Substance 5:28

[@hashira9166]

More Meshuggah! Nice! This song is in straight 4/4 Geebz, you're correct. You talked about the way they arrange groupings and its important to emphasize that crossing the bar line (especially in this song) is really what makes a Meshuggah riff super difficult to follow. Also, check out Cynic- How Could I?

[@Splooie128]

Mehsuggah's drums are *almost* always in 4/4 with snare on 3. Almost.

[@jessewalters9107]

This Album Amazed me ... Looking at their discography this was a hint of what is to come from the albums that followed and was a nod at their old sounds as well ... Now they have a more defined sound and have really crafted their own niche ... so many bands now you can tell they have inspired so many ... Headbanging to this is so much fun ...

[@19RaxR91]

Hey man. So glad to see you reacting to more Meshuggah. Most of the suggestions to them have already been mentioned, so in case you want to hear some of their more challenging stuff, which delves even Deeper into letting the riff have its stay to form an apocalyptic thunder of a broken cold groove, check their 2005 concept album Catch 33, which actually is one continuous 45 minute track just split with 13 timecodes (and it could totally work as a 3 mega lengthy track EP, I guess, if we are talking about splitting it in some reasonable manner). Its definitely something to experience.

[@jackcafarella1062]

same album, same feel; spasm would be a crazy reaction. cheers from the land down under geebz!

[@DavidLoveless]

Please react to Leprous - The Sky Is Red (Live 2020). You’ll love it!!

[@christophersherwood57]

Please, please, please, decompose Spheres of Madness by Decapitated

[@IceKoldKilla]

I don't know if he's aware of the 2 versions of this album. The original that was rushed to tour at the time. Guitars are 7-string ones. The remaster has, well, a better master. Mixing and all that. 8-string guitars too.

[@Valp85]

Well spotted on the timing of the vocals. I remember watching some interview with ..I think it was one of the guitarists, where he talked about their songwriting process and how they treat all instruments (vocals included) as percussion instruments.

[@livefreeprintguns]

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO REVIEW THIS SINCE SUBSCRIBING BACK IN MAY! THANK YOUUUUU!

[@randomhero5]

You should check out “Blood Eagle” by Periphery. This was on the top of my mind and wanted to get it submitted somewhere before I forgot. Haha. Love the content man! Keep up the great work!

[@nathansterling639]

Hey Geebz, if you're interested in more metal and want to hear something more melodic, Job For a Cowboy has a track called The Stone Cross. Great musicianship and songwriting. Little tech and prog in there

[@APieceOfLiquid]

Meshuggah the Djent Gods. So glad you're doing more. Can you do their amazing track Behind The Sun next? Oh and the singer uses his voice as a percussion instrument in all their tracks. So unique.

[@williamcozart8158]

Remember the song Ritual off tyhe None record? Lol Jens used his like, actual singing voice on that song... Fredrik told him to never do that crap again I think.

[@APieceOfLiquid]

@@williamcozart8158 in their early days they sounded like a cross between Metallica and Dream Theater. Especially his voice.

[@williamcozart8158]

​@@APieceOfLiquid Yeah, they did have those bands you mentioned as obvious influences but musically Meshuggah were more advanced on Contradictions Collapse than even Dream Theater's best stuff in some respects, imo, and they did have their "own sound" even at that time. The polyrhythms were way more creative and cool sounding imo. Listen to all the songs of Contradictions Collapse, there is stuff on their with thrash, prog, jazz, fusion, there's even a hint of an industrial kind of sound on some songs. Imo Haake is better than Portnoy too, but Portnoy seems more versatile, Haake has his "thing" he does on drums, it's like a style he invented, where as for me at least Portnoy seemed like a "metal drummer" who decided to throw progressive and other styles in there with thrash/metal. Haake is my favorite drummer, even topping Danney Carey..

[@williamcozart8158]

To m,e Meshuggah are more "organic" sounding than Dream Theater.

[@williamcozart8158]

Like, 'Shuggah sound more like an "art project" that Dream Theater, who seem more like just "a band" to me. 'Shug are more like calculated but natural feeling to me. It sounds like every extra or odd beat is there for a reason in shuggah songs, where sometimes DT seems to have just like added 2 beats or 1 beat or 1/2 a beat or something to make the rhythm more complex, like for the sake of it. Meshuggah's odd meters always resolve naturally and you can overlay a 4/4 onto it, and you could do math to figure out shit like how many measures they'll likely play before it resolves by counting and then counting a 4/4 and see where it lands. Not that I think they purposefully like, count their shit to get a number of beats they like or just so it's different each time or something, when writing the music, that's the feeling I get from DT sometimes, like they had a number in their head and counted and mapped out the beats. Don't get me wrong I've gotten way into DT and love them but compared to my top 1 or 2 bands, which Meshuggah is one of, DT is not quite up there for me.

[@ShoogyDoogy]

I may be late to the party, but if nobody has mentioned the band Gorguts... GORGUTS!! Anything off of Colored Sands or From Wisdom To Hate is amazing, especially recommend stuff from Colored Sands as far as analyzing goes. Big big recommend the song Forgotten Arrows or Colored Sands (title track).

[@PanasonicTooth]

Good call, I forgot about those guys

[@domn9c]

I’d recommend Obzen for the meter changes, panning, & drumwork with a great breakdown, and Nostrum for the insane drumwork too. Also new Millenium cyanide christ is a great old song by them, really good breakdown on there too

[@davidhoxley9818]

IF you do a lyrical review of meshuggah, i would suggest ''break those bones whose sinews gave them motion'' - very poetic take on revenge and its violence

[@anth907]

Yes, I love Meshuggah. Years ago I showed this band to a former bandmate of mine who actually studied some drumming in university, turns out he hated it because of the time signatures and beats. He said it sounded like the drummer was just being sloppy while taking advantage of the listener and thinking the drummer in Meshuggah himself, was being unique. Lol. It’s funny, but I’ve always loved this band 👍🏼👍🏼

[@CH-ml4rz]

Def look into their lyrics. As always so interesting to hear someone who knows what their talking about go over songs I’ve listened to countless times.

[@gongal]

Man, I miss those old Thordendal solos... You should check Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects. It's his solo fusion metal album featuring drummer Morgan Agren (incredible fusion drummer who featured in Frank Zappas album).

[@larryr3495]

The fact you reacted to this song, just made my day. First Meshuggah song I discovered when Nothing first came out years ago. Picked it up at the Virgin Megastore in Denver, was instantly hooked!

[@scottrowsick406]

Would love to get a reaction to a VOLA song-maybe “I Am Not Here” or “Inmazes”. They are a criminally underrated, and the former of the two I listed is a beautiful combination of Meshuggah and Opeth (Damnation). And I’d love for a bigger channel to recognize them. Awesome musicians.

[@kevinschotte2106]

Suggestion; MESHUGGAH - i (21 minute track, EP) It's massive, it's epic, it's MEfuckingSHUGGAH!!!

[@Callahan3713]

You should check out Oceansize's "Sleeping Dogs and Dead Lions" if you want to know what djent influences did to prog-rock music :)

[@rijntje73]

He should definitely do some Oceansize. So many great albums and songs, but You Can't Keep A Bad Man Down is a heavier favourite of mine from them and Music For A Nurse is a more ethereal masterpiece.

[@tallnotdeaf]

I LIKE JUICE, FINISH YOUR JUICE, FILTERED VITAMIN SUBSTANCE! good choice!

[@NotQuietRight]

the lyrics for this track are awesome I highly recommend a lyrical breakdown

[@roxxo38]

The best way to understand Meshuggah time signatures is by watching Yogev Gabay videos imo

[@ThoR52]

He’s doing the work of god for sure. Lots of respect for that guy.

[@V3xxe]

I watch the Clockworks video a lot, especially for THE HEAVIEST BRIDGE IN EXISTENCE.

[@taranloses]

Yes, his videos are really good. Inspired me to learn more about this stuff

[@michaelstonedrums6877]

The album, "Catch 33" is a must listen. It's a whole album experience, though. I would love to see you check that out, but that would be a LONG video, LOL!!

[@amk98002]

Candiria. Constant Velocity Is As Natural As being At Rest. It has EVERYTHING you’d want and more.

[@lukasahford5050]

The fucking I like juice song.

[@kyriakoskyrousis5052]

Just came here via your Queens of the Stone Age video and talking about bands whose influence blew up I would suggest you check out Kyuss who almost single-handedly invented stoner rock out of Palm Springs, LA in the early 90s and was how Josh Homme started his musical career. Specifically, I would suggest the songs "Gardenia" or Whitewater" from their album "Welcome to Sky Valley". Thanks so much for keeping us company here!

[@weirdozoidtheta]

Dude, get yourself some black metal. Go for Emperor - With Strength I Burn. Fuckin' EPIC!!!

[@lrblake394]

The vast majority of Meshuggah songs are in 4/4, with polyrhythms and syncopation that cycles loops on top. The drummer Tomas Haake will often keep the 4 meter on the hat or cymbal. Counting music...Great as ever Geebz!

[@simongilgenbach4630]

this whole album is one of my top favorites. the feeling front to back is just on another level.

[@55timboslice]

Heyyy Geebz!!! I discovered your channel recently and I have to say that your reviews are the most detailed and my new favorite of all the different music reviewers out there!!! It's an absolute treat to hear the perspective you share! Anyways, to get to my point, I would absolutely be thrilled if you could take the time to review my favourite song of all time since the release a year and a half ago!! I have seen you review some of my other favorite songs (Reptile, Of Matter), and if you could do a review of the song DARK by INVENT, ANIMATE, I think you will understand why I believe it will be my absolute favorite song forever!!! I truly believe it will blow you away with how perfect it is in every way! 🔥 Much Love my Brother!! 🙏❤

[@CraneArmy]

So you mentioned that you heard the straight 4/4, which is correct. This is something Haake did more obviously, before the album obzen (like the track bleed you already did). Haake will play a straight 4/4 with his hands. Usually the kick, guitars, bass, and vocals will be in a different signature. Maybe every 12 bars or whenever the kick and hat come back together on the same "1" is when the band will move into the next section. Im not like a scholar of them, this is just what ive noticed learning a couple bass lines from them and as a casual listener.

[@ba_charles]

The meter is straight time for sure, that's one of my favorite things about them. I only compose in 4/4 or free meter anymore because with polyrhythms and syncopation time signatures become practically meaningless once you hit a certain level of complexity.

[@lrblake394]

Geebz! PLEASE do 'Dancers to a Discordant System' by the mighty Meshuggah.

[@Yardclippings]

A video of Meshuggah - "I" would be soooooo cool!

[@MattMajcan]

you're absolutely right, the whole song is in 4/4, most of their songs are. 6:25 is one of my favorite riffs in metal, it's incredible

[@XViTNg]

I mean if someone were to transcribe this song - they definitely would not do it in 4/4 - cause it would make it way more complicated to read - since it’s all layered poly rhythms. - But the groove of the song is a 4/4 feel.

[@tatoarg9508]

Musician here. This song relies more on sophisticated periodization. I think the song Stengah has the craziest syncopated riff ever. Super difficult to interiorize. And it's SO fckn groovy. Check them live. They have the precision of a Swiss string quartet.

[@blakeu8547]

Also if you're enjoying the journey of meshuggah you should definitely check out some of their earlier music. New Millenium Cyanide Christ is an excellent song, and if you want even older song humiliative is a great choice. It will give you a better perspective of the progression of their sound. If you want to do lyric reviews Spasm from the same album as rational gaze is a great song lyrically (although honestly most of their songs are)!

[@mwright80]

Tomas Hasske the drummer writes a lot of the riffs, hence the syncopation. Follow the right hand!

[@dancindan5170]

Hey Geebz! Love your content. I’d LOVE to see a lyrical review of New Millennium Cyanide Christ by Meshuggah, and maybe pop a gummy in right before ;-) cheers!

[@DerHerrMitR]

Meshuggah are, quite simply put, the only metal band. Period.

[@nile1790]

Would you be able to do either Hearts alive by Mastodon Moonshield by In Flames Love your channel by the way keep it up!

[@mat_j]

You just absolutely need to check Future Breed Machine from Meshuggah