Message to "Right-Wing" Muslims

[@1OddlyOdd]

Allahu Akbar, you just have no idea just how similar my thinking is. Not using their terminology, politics being actual world views and moral compasses, using Islam as the sole means of reaching peace, reaching prosperity, ending conflict etc. we need to change the entire conversation. Speak like the prophet did, nothing more nothing less!! Alhamdulillah

[@AbuIbrahim-MM]

Let's make it so!

[@berwahl]

We wear the garb of modernity. We need to question the sedentary metaphysics that naturalises the idea of the nation-state and makes aberrant movement. We need to consider what an Islamic understanding of economy is. I reckon the capitalist myth of growth needs to be challenged. It's clear that late capitalism has led us down the path of climate catastrophe. It transgresses all bounds.

[@72-bit]

Subhanallah just discovered this channel, I think these are some really great and inspiring ideas. It’s important that we stay true to the REAL Islam and embody it in every aspect of our lives. Just subscribed Barakallahu feek

[@slightlyopinionated8107]

Something I thought about for a while but was never able to put into words. I love the rational approach to this topic and the eloquence in the delivery. Barak Allah feek brother 👌

[@khayislam]

This is a really good explanation of Islam, if only the pragmatists understood

[@Rain_901]

Great point made about not using their terminologies and trying to fit into their political spectrums. The “faith” analogy was spot on. There’s a significant difference between blind faith and certainty backed with rationalism. People should wake up to this secular conditioning.

[@berwahl]

Capitalism has two articles of 'faith'. The first: if you want it, you can have it. The second: if you can't have it, take it. You can't tally Islam with capitalism.

[@mznxbcv12345]

"conservatism" isn't really a thing most 'conservatives' think about, this kind of discourse is obsolete. It's not a thought movement, they're issue voters that are for the most part specifically opposite to Islam. That's all. Whatever their views on gender, etc isn't relevant to the former. Whatever vein of pseudointellectualism some of them wasted paper on isn't relevant either.

[@altGoolam]

I disagree. Conservatism is simply the tendency of thought that we need to value whatever the status quo is in a particular circumstance, because it preserves the dignity of people while change itself causes disruption that destabilises the social compact.

[@mznxbcv12345]

That's irrelevant. They're issue voters. Read what was actually said before disagreeing with what was not said.

[@altGoolam]

​@@mznxbcv12345You're presenting the last US election in the narrow window of "single issue". I'm disagreeing with that take because it ignores the conservative tendency is Universal and probably applies to us as much as it does to "others"

[@labibabdullah389]

We only serve the master, we live and die for the master.

[@MahmudHasan-me]

Very good massaging brother. It's refreshing to see an Islamic political commentator. I do agree completely and I live in Bangladesh a highly Muslim country so It's quite easy for me. I hope the Brothers and Sisters living in the west understand this and Don't blindly follow any political party or be apolitical. Because of course there is the saying "You may not be interested in politics but politics is interested in you"

[@Towardsthatwhichgivesyoulife]

Yes, Islam is so diametrically opposed to secularism and we need to understand that. The idea that just because a certain legal issue may or can overlap, doesn't mean that the worldview is anywhere near the same! Same with social issues, with people saying Islam is 'feminist' because Allah swt gives women rights and Islam is 'conservative' or 'patriarchal' because of differences in responsibilities to men or 'traditional' values. We shouldn't and can't just be reactionary but need to understand the underlying values and worldview - both left and right believe in secularism and individual liberty etc.

[@Towardsthatwhichgivesyoulife]

May Allah swt allow us to understand and implement Islam comprehensively and honour us with His Deen, ameen!

[@Narlo_]

yeah i think this what you got you reading about etnich cleansing cult

[@altGoolam]

Islam is not "diametrically opposed to secularism". Secularity is about preserving the right of all people to live under a government that doesn't discriminate against them based on their religion. It emerged out of the fact that most conflict in Europe (and subsequently in the Muslim world), were the result of the abuse of government by dominant religious bodies due to corruption by power.

[@Towardsthatwhichgivesyoulife]

@@altGoolam That's incorrect. Secularism is about the separation of God and religion from governance. Yes it emerged out of the oppression by the Church in Europe, but the Muslim world doesn't need to take on the colonialists' problems and solutions when we have the perfect Deen of Islam. When Allah, who created the heaven and the earth and human beings knows us best and what is best for us in all aspects including governance and looking after people's affairs. This includes people of different religions having the right to live and practice their religion- under Islam, not secularism.

[@stevegrady5134]

This is an excellent explanation and I’m glad that it was in my recommends, Mashallah. As someone who already considers myself a recent revert, though I haven’t yet done a shahada in a masjid, I have found myself wondering what political label would best fit Islam. It did occur to me that using terms like ‘Conservative’ or ‘Libertarian’ is essentially try to force Islam to fit into a mold that was carved by Western political philosophy. Here in the US, it seems like the Democratic Party truly was blindsided by Muslim parents objecting to schools teaching their kids about LGBTQ stuff just because the majority of Muslim voters have traditionally voted Democrat. It shows how little the party made an effort to understand the community.

[@AbuIbrahim-MM]

Welcome to this magnificent deen brother! Glad you benefited from the video. Definitely do your shahadah as soon as you can, and I recommend you enroll for i3's muslim blueprint program (i3institute.ca/programs/mbp). I coach some sections and teach some of the modules, so I might see you there if you sign up!

[@joachimschwarzmuller510]

May God's peace and mercy be with you! I am a Roman Catholic priest. I understand what you are saying and can agree with much of what you say. We Christians (those who are not infected by secularism) also say that our true home is in heaven, that we should do and think everything we think and do in the light of the one God, 'out of Him', that the inner life of God, His love, His light, should permeate all areas of life, because He is the absolute King. Praise and honour to His glory - in everything!

[@v12krink]

Really eloquently put with quite some oomf. I remember coming to the same conclusion after watching Ustadh Abdullah Andalausi's series on Islam vs political ideologies he did at a university.

[@metokamo3699]

interesting, but I think that aqeeda is important tho, but preaching to the public about certain topics is something else, barakallahu feek :)

[@AbuIbrahim-MM]

The core aqeedah of a Muslim is the most important thing. But many get hung up on historical scholarly differences when they talk "aqeedah".

[@In_Our_Timeline]

thanks you abu for telling me what to think and i will definitely won't change my ideology a week later and will also like to give you all of my monthly salary

[@AbuIbrahim-MM]

Always welcome

[@zakaria87100]

after the gaza genocide a ton of muslims have leveled up politically and became more aware, class awareness as well since capitalism is running a mock all over the world, this message is great and i hope it helps a lot of our youths to realize the solution is within the islamic paradigm.

[@Narlo_]

i being more "awere"

[@user-if9pp4vg7g]

@@Narlo_ You speak English because its the only language you know We speak English because its the only language you know. We are not the same.

[@moosa86]

Wouldn’t it be fair to say that a political spectrum exists within Islam but Islam cannot exist within a political spectrum?

[@AbuIbrahim-MM]

It's a good question, let's break it down. In the secular world, the political spectrum is a result of different attitudes towards politics that human beings have. Some people "believe" in, say, a social safety net (welfare state), others don't. On the basis of what? Of their own experience, analyses, or consistency with some man-made code or paradigm. In Islam, there is one basic attitude to the law -- what does God want? This is the aqeedah. Then there are basic rules of interpreting the text that everyone agrees on. Finally, there are rules of interpreting the text that Muslims _disagree_ on. This is where you get different legal schools of thought in Islam. So in short -- yes, there is a spectrum of legal opinion & schools within Islam, but definitely in a very different (much more restricted) manner from secular political differences.

[@shanbhutta2502]

great video and much needed you earned a new subscriber 👍

[@gj1234567899999]

Political Islam aligns with fascism.

[@AbuIbrahim-MM]

Ha ha, no. You missed the point of the video.

[@Coolinteresting876]

​@@AbuIbrahim-MMYes, all Abrahamic Faiths.

[@harisnuman3538]

Maybe, but then , what that term even means, nowadays? Mussolini now but Franco yes. But , someone if he is honest and informed, can hardly call Franco a fascist. I am telling you this and I have fascist inclinations. It is out of the necessity

[@leaaba2965]

exactly look at what he says, but they see it as a good thing because of faith. goal is not freedom or good things in this world it's basically like a cult controling a country ( I experienced it in IRAN)

[@lucqq3792]

@@harisnuman3538 "i have fascist inclinations " lhahahahaha

[@jzcahs]

here is an interesting what should left wing muslim like ( there few left wing muslim youtubers i can list like hakim and lady izdihar) should do and think or may game ended (that's what's we in the industry call a joke)

[@AbuIbrahim-MM]

thanks for letting me know about those channels, I might do a response

[@altGoolam]

While this sounds appealing, especially to young Muslims looking for a political home, it is an old and very disputed Modernist understanding of Islam which reduces Islam to a political ideology. Because it distorts Islam as a Deen for a Middle nation, as a Universal Guidance for Mankind and as a Divine Revelation from Allah. Aqeedah is about the fundamental understanding of the nature of revelation. Political ideologies change due to context and the social development of human beings.

[@AbuIbrahim-MM]

What about any of what you said contradicts that Islam is a political ideology? Why do you say that political ideologies change due to context and social progress? Is that a property of political ideologies, or some political ideologies?

[@altGoolam]

​@@AbuIbrahim-MM Islam is a universal guidance for Mankind until the end of time. Political circumstances vary depending on our context i.e. the time and level of social development of people. Capitalism, Communism, Liberalism, Environmentalism etc. are all theories of social development that are grappling with our changing social circumstances. They are the culmination of study and analysis of these circumstances and as robustly tested hypothesis allow human societies to develop. They are important knowledge systems, while a better way of understanding Islam is as Meta-knowledge system that allows us to grapple with these evolving circumstances. You correctly point out that some ideologies are a product of European trajectory which imposed itself on the world through Colonialism (another temporary world view that brought Secularism). But that Colonialism has shaped all of us, permanently. So Decoloniality now becomes a necessity because we are fundamentally different and are now obligated to understand how we need to unravel that system of oppression which has permanently shaped us and the world.

[@altGoolam]

​@@AbuIbrahim-MMPolitical ideologies (like all human endeavours) are contextual based on our limited understanding of our circumstances as human beings. If Islam is universal guidance for all times for all mankind; Capitalism, Communism, Feminism, Liberalism, Environmentalism etc. are knowledge systems based on the social circumstances of our time. They are knowledge systems that provide valuable tools and technologies for better diagnosing the circumstances we are in and the way we need to address these issues. Secularism too. Islam is more of a Meta-System of knowledge in that way.

[@altGoolam]

​@@AbuIbrahim-MMPolitical ideologies (like all human endeavours) are contextual and based on our limited understanding of our circumstances as human beings. If Islam is universal guidance for all times for all mankind; Capitalism, Communism, Feminism, Liberalism, Environmentalism etc. are valuable knowledge systems providing us with tools to address those conditions. Islam is more of a Meta-System of knowledge in that regard that checks our personal purpose.

[@altGoolam]

​@@AbuIbrahim-MMPolitical ideologies are a product of human endeavour to grapple with specific circumstances of people (in the Islamic world too). Islam is a divine universal guidance for all mankind and until the end of time. So it shapes political ideology, but it is not a political ideology itself [P.S. my posts are being deleted so keeping it short]

[@apocalypticskepticus3299]

I respect you as a person, but I fundamentally disagree with you here. Firstly, Muslims of this day and age will inevitably also be a product of their time. To say that they are '''more modern than they are Muslim'' is therefore a truism of a sort, something that is an inevitably reality and not some insightful deduction on your part. Muslims of 14th century were also a product of their time, and very different from Muslims from the 10th century, and so on. Secondly, political Islam's ESSENTIAL problem is precisely it's refusal to abide by new rules and evolving morality of the human race. The very essence of the problem lies in this idea that all of morality has already been regulated. But that is clearly impossible, otherwise Islam would have abolished let us say slavery, and not wait until Western powers to abolish it. And yes I do know that Islamic slavery was not the same as the American slavery, but that is besides the point. Islam in a political sense fundamentally accepts that some human beings are fit for being enslaved by others, and whatever the conditions you might set for that to take place, it is fundamentally an unjust relations that should have been changed long before 1961, when S. Arabia abolished slavery or 1980. when Mauritania did. And that is just one among many other examples I can give. Western civilization has become so successful and dominant because it has abandoned the previously dogmatic view of politics, whereby the Pope or religious figures in general have the final say on moral and social issues, and decided to embrace a scientific and rational method even in this domain of human relationships, namely experimenting with ethics and eventually figuring out what works the best. Many mistakes happen, many will continue to happen, but there is always room for change and evolution. In Shari'ah on the other hand, everything is set and stone for all eternity, and can never be reformed. Islamic political system exists as a fossilised ethical paradigm that will always depend on the moral norms of the time whence it first arose.

[@AbuIbrahim-MM]

>Firstly, Muslims of this day and age will inevitably also be a product of their time. Let's make things more specific. It's one thing to say that there is an Islamic Ideal that is time-invariant, and we are very far from that ideal. The solution there is to strive towards that ideal. It's another thing to say that there is no universal ideal, that what makes a good Muslim or Islamic society amorphously changes to fit the prevailing norms and ideas. Let's call the former view fundamentalism, and the latter view modernism. >Secondly, political Islam's ESSENTIAL problem is precisely it's refusal to abide by new rules and evolving morality of the human race Here's the mistake you're making, and it's present all throughout your thinking: you believe that morality (or at least, what is publicly accepted to be moral) is something that evolves on its _own_. Thus, successful civilizations learn to adapt to these changes, and failed ones are either incapable or unwilling to adapt. This is wrong. "The rules and morality of the human race" transforms only as a result of the actions of ideological actors. The reason why a certain liberal morality is dominant today isn't that humanity on its own wanted liberalism, and then the west wisely cast off the shackles of christendom. No -- the success of liberal morality was the result of centuries of activism, thought leadership, and revolution. The dominant rules and morality of this epoch were not inevitable; not too long ago, they were seen as strange and backwards as Sharia is seen today. Accepted morals and rules are _shaped_ by ideological conflict. This is evident in the hadith of the prophet SAW, when he said -- Islam began as strange (it was seen as backwards to the prevailing pagan morality), then it will return as strange [i.e, it had become the norm -- but not anymore in our present day, as we can see]. So it is also incorrect to say >Islamic political system ... will always depend on the moral norms of the time whence it first arose. because it was decidedly NOT a product of the moral norms of pagan arab society. It flew in the face of them. But reform -- not of Islam, but of society -- was achieved. And it can be achieved again. Let me pose a question to you: what is the use of an ideology if it will merely insist on what everyone already takes to? Isn't the point of ideology to change the world, and how we see it? What you started with -- that political Islam's problem is its refusal to abide by dominant norms and morals -- is precisely its strength. For if it abided by them all, Islam would become useless. We already have secular-liberalism. For Islam to mean anything as an alternative to the status-quo, it must by definition contradict modernity. The modernist sees it as hard to shape the world, so he shapes Islam to fit the world. I see it as impossible to shape Islam, so I will shape the world to fit Islam.

[@harisnuman3538]

The last Western conservative was Francisco Franco. I know very well that " conservatives" conserve absolutely nothing. Islamic world has become completely anti intellectual and has been infiltrated by the mixture of Bedouin primitivism and so called liberation from colonialism. All of it , as far as I am concerned, would be fine. But , not all things and experiences are the same. I can understand, for example a Bengali and his complaints , let's say about Churchill. But , as a Bosnian my forefathers fought in ww1 and WW2 against Churchill and I can't accept that those ideas like anti colonial struggle and all what it brings, can lead me to something. After all , let's be real here, it was Hitler and Stalin who broke the colonialism. Muslims not so much. In fact, it was Atatürk who faced it and stopped it in his country. Wether Muslims like that fact or not and it doesn't matter for his faults. I can't accept Lumpen Proletariat of the great deal of Muslim, particularly their demands thayi feel the same and think the same. I can understand their complaints about the racism but not their demands for anti whitism . Why should I, as a white person, feel that way? Why I would feel apologetic about the fact, that after 11 crusades against Bosnian Cathars and the centuries of fighting at the forefront of the Ottoman Empire? Why would the people who in the " social" action terms " achieved" something, would dictate me something? For better or worse, I heavily lean towards nationalism. At least, I know who I am and want to strengthen something around me. Why should someone, let's say from Indonesia complain about that? At the end of the day, he is too far from Bosnia and we can't influence eachother. One of strange things to show the irrationality of Muslims masses are constant videos about Atatürk, a person from Pakistan would complain, how he feels personally betrayed by Atatürk??? Is is complain or jealousy that,some people prevented their own destruction? Is self pity that should be the standard or resolute action???

[@Rain_901]

@@harisnuman3538 because nationalism isn’t something we view the world in. Lines on a border or whoever I’m close to by blood doesn’t really matter if our fundamental view on reality differs. I have more in common with a Chinese muslim even though I’m from East Africa. A Pakistani muslim would feel compelled to criticize Ataturk due to the nature of his policies. He’s the one that abolished the caliphate, why wouldn’t he be affected by it? It has the same effect if someone came in your country for colonial purposes and got rid of everything your country stood for and more. Ataturk’s dismantling of the Ottoman empire had a lasting impact on the entire muslim population on Earth. That unity muslims once had is gone and has been gone for over a century at this point. If you can’t see how that may affect a muslim then you know nothing about islam nor its views/politics.

[@harisnuman3538]

​@@Rain_901I can assure you that absolutely none of my forefathers died in the country where he was subjugated that cost us a lot To say that Pakistani or you feel betrayed by Atatürk, is completely irrational statement. 3 million Muslims of Turkey died between 1912 to 1923. They bearly survived. I can't go to details here but considering that Muslims of Subcontinent, who outnumbered Ottoman population by the huge margin and was controlled by the fraction of what Turks faced, then claim that they were betrayed, is not just stupid but immoral One detail here, just in June 1915 , behind the lines of Ottoman Army lines, Armenians slaughtered 89k women and children. But " brothers" are upset that some women couldn't work in Ziraat Bank 1931 with hijab?? That thing reflects in the situation in Syria??? And Atatürk offered Khilafet to Ahmed Shariff Al Senoussi??? Turkish Nationalists invented International Jihad, no? In Lybia 1911? Were'nt Omar Mukhtar, Izzedin Al Qassem and Ahmed Shariff Al Senoussi members of Taskilat I Masusa? Didn't that organisation operate in the various regions of Muslim colonised lands ? Even in China. You are wrong my friend, some who has something in CV or good intentions can criticise. You got to earn the right for that. Shall I apologise on the behalf of my grandfather, who was a major of SS? NO. We needed to survive? At some stage, Benjamin DeIsraeli was important for us to survive, shall I apologise to my " brethren" for that?. Shall I apologise for my existence??? Irrational, but completely irrational.

[@Narlo_]

​@@Rain_901may all guys free

[@Narlo_]

​@@Rain_901may you all be free

[@harisnuman3538]

​@@Rain_901well I gave you the answer but it was deleted. I thought that I found something worthwhile to watch on KZbin but , it is the same old fraud. In any case, this guy truly didn't teach me that I haven't known already. Shame