Messianic Jews Explained in 2 Minutes

[@AmitKumarVerma121_indian]

Yeshua himself said in Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

[@truthnottradition7]

Vs 17-19 are so simple but 99.993% of christendom can't seem to comprehend the word "fulfill" Strong's G4137 - plēroō (I didn't make that % up... I looked up sabbath keepers vs non-sabbath keepers)

[@bobbyadkins6983]

Jesus said that. His name is Jesus.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

​​@@truthnottradition7Here's something Jesus said that is very easy to comprehend: Matthew 26:28 [28]For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. We're not under the old testament/covenant, but the new covenant. Even Paul said we are not under the law but under grace. Jesus fulfilled the law. He wasn't saying we were to continue to live according to the law/old covenant.

[@truthnottradition7]

@@bobbyadkins6983 Brother your very mistaken about the laws of God coming to a stop. Yeshua plainly said not the smallest jot will pass from the law. Matt 5:17-19 Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches [i]others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

​@@truthnottradition7 Galatians 5:1-4 [1]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. [2]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. [3]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. [4]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

[@daf631]

I had an Officer I served with in the Navy that was a Messianic Jew. He referred to himself as a Jew for Jesus.

[@asvt321]

I wish I was referred as a Jew but Yeshua as the Messiah Christianity exists because some still didn’t believe Yeshua, so it split off from Judaism

[@zjzr08]

​@tovhooma1 The blurred lines of Messianic Judaism and Christianity (especially outside Catholism and Orthodoxy) keeps my confirmation that following Jesus is an ideology, not a religion, that sure you need to have sort of structure to have dogma and ways of maintaining members, but it also isn't exactly as structured as say other religions can be (although I think Hinduism has a level of fluidity too).

[@daf631]

@@zjzr08 following any religion is an ideology by it's very nature. What one calls faith is by practice a belief system of things that cannot be physically proven. What amazes me is the fact that people are willing to wage war over unproven ideology from books written hundreds and even thousands of years ago. If Jesus was the Son of God, why were we left with no mention of the secrets of the endless, perplexing universe we live in? But that is a problem I have with all of the ancient religions. All of them ignore the fact that earth is possibly not unique at all. It's just a piece of a far more vast and endless universe. All knowing entities would not fail to advance the worlds knowledge of itself, if in fact they walked the earth.

[@zjzr08]

@@daf631 On topic about wars waged against, and I know this is more of an opinion, I think it's more taking advantage of religion for power than actually following the religion (e.g. Old Testament had judges before kings, New Testament wanted reform within Judaism that's less in the power of the rabbis), like Constantine for example excluding believing Jews from Christian practices. To the other topic, let's just say we don't know what a higher power's purpose is to not answer all about the universe, even if I understand that frustration, and at least for the Abrahamic faiths there will be a time all will become "perfect" again.

[@latkagravas986]

👍, I would had shared back - "Jesus once said 'he can turn these hereby stones into descendants of Abraham"

[@bloopboop9320]

I find it ironic that 60% of jews think believing in Jesus makes you "not jewish" but "not believing in God" is still acceptable. Interestingly, 68%. Basically, being an atheist is fine with most jews, but believing Jesus was the messiah is where you cross the line haha.

[@FortniteBlaster2]

Because they hate Jesus. Read the Talmud.

[@AllhailTDLjimpic]

@@FortniteBlaster2The talmud is not infallible in jewish tradition. It is a record of rabbis debating important issues. They contradict and disagree with eachother.

[@FortniteBlaster2]

@@AllhailTDLjimpic Why do you continue to make excuses for anti-Christ teachings? in nearly all Jewish communities, the Talmud is the centerpiece of Jewish cultural life and is foundational to "all Jewish thought and aspirations", serving also as "the guide for the daily life" of Jews.

[@comically_large_cowboy_hat3385]

that’s because judaism is an ethnoreligion….if you take the religion out it’s still an ethnicity and a culture…..i’d bet you most of the famous jews you know are athiests but that doesn’t make them not jewish

[@AllhailTDLjimpic]

@@FortniteBlaster2 If there are jews that do believe all the stuff the rabbis said about Jesus in the talmud i am willing to say that they are wicked blasphemers.

[@Jayce_Alexander]

I come from a mixed family: cradle Jewish mother, cradle Catholic father. I spent most of my life agnostic, while identifying as a Jew culturally, before converting to Eastern Orthodoxy in 2019. By that point my mother had already come to terms with Jesus being our Messiah for many years (she ended up converting to Eastern Orthodoxy not long after I did). What puzzled me is the hostility not only towards Christianity as a label, but against the New Testament itself. Jewish friends actively discouraged me from reading it, portrayed it as deeply antisemitic, and kind of a manual on how to persecute the Jews. But when I read it I discovered that these were the accounts of Jewish people, that the New Testament IS a Jewish book, that Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism itself. I probably don't qualify as a Messianic Jew in the traditional sense, because I wear the Christian identity proudly, keep Sabbath on Sundays, celebrate Christian holidays, agree with Paul on the Judaizers, but I do still consider myself a Jew as well, because Christianity IS Judaism in its final and most complete form.

[@notcrazy6288]

It's a case of people spouting off on something that they've never investigated themselves, but have been told what to think about it. As a Catholic, I run into this kind of thing constantly, usually from Protestants but also from Orthodox.

[@logicaredux5205]

Beautifully put Jayce_Alexander!

[@giovanni545]

wait but the very first belivers in CHRIST were Jews who still kept the law of Moses and belief in YAHUSHA as saviour, YAHUSHA (JESUS) said HE did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it which means even after HIS sacrifice on the cross HE expects and wants HIS followers to keep the laws and commandment of God which explain why even after HE was buried in Luke 23:56 its states the women did not go to the tomb of YAHUSHA because they kept the commandment of the sabbath day (from friday evening till saturday evening). So Christianity is the fulfillment of judiasim BUT it dose not do away with judiasim (judiasim in accordence to whats written in the torah (law) of God)

[@crypton3292]

Yes, Orthodoxy is the fulfilment of Judaism and it is the Church Christ founded

[@logicaredux5205]

It seems that we have something like “Christian Sadducees” these days. Like the Sadducees who observed the five Books of Moses and ignored the Prophets and the Writings, Christian Sadducees only read the four Gospels and ignore the Book of Acts and the Epistles where you would be given a clear picture of what keeping the law means for the New Testament believer. To put a finer point on it, God Himself made it clear what it means that Christ fulfilled the law by putting an end to the Temple, the Priesthood, animal sacrifice and all the attendant ritual in 70 AD. So, not even Jews who reject Christ can keep the Law of Moses and they haven’t for the last 20 Centuries. For the New Testament believer, Torah is the Commandment to love: Love God before all else and love our neighbor as ourself. This is the Law and the Prophets. The 10 Commandments are your guide.

[@bheemabachus5179]

Worth noting that a lot of these people are not ethnic Jews but supposed converts. Regardless, there are far more Christian Jews than we realize. Especially in places like Latin America. And sadly, some orthodox religious leaders in Judaism will ostracize them not just from the religion, but from the people group in general. There are some rabbis who think it's okay for a Jew to be atheist, but if you become Christian you are no longer Jewish.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

If Messianic Jews, who consider themselves bound by their Jewishness to the old covenant, actively encourage Gentile inquirers to submit to old covenant requirements of the Law that set Jews apart, then I'm pretty sure Paul has a few words.

[@bheemabachus5179]

@@ElasticGiraffe Emasculation, here we come baby!!

[@londoninse]

Latin America - you mean people who are like 1/128 Sephardi who are Christian? Why should they be seen as Jewish?

[@geordiewishart1683]

Most of modern Jewry are not of Israelite stock, descended through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@geordiewishart1683 Wow, the forms of Jew-hatred that exist in this world are legion.

[@iqgustavo]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🕊️ Messianic Jews believe in Jesus but also maintain Jewish practices and traditions. 00:28 🤝 They combine elements of Christianity and Judaism, emphasizing a place for Jewish customs and practices in their faith. 00:43 ✝️ Messianic Jews do not always follow the mainstream Christian perspective of the New Testament rendering Old Testament law obsolete. 01:10 👰 They incorporate Jewish customs into weddings, funerals, and various life events. 01:38 🌍 Messianic Jews can be found worldwide, particularly in the United States and Israel. They often have closer ties to Evangelical denominations in Christianity.

[@dosha_anand]

A look into Hebrew Catholics might make a good additional video on 'Jewish Christians'.

[@jamessloven2204]

I literally have never heard of them before. Would you care to share?

[@dosha_anand]

@@jamessloven2204 They're a Catholic rite which conduct worship in Hebrew and hold to the Jewish liturgical calendar.

[@ninjaked1265]

@@jamessloven2204they’re an ethnic group within Catholicism. Like Irish Catholics, Hispanic Catholics etc.

[@brianrich7828]

Catholic and Christian is like saying Mormon and Christian.

[@colmortimer1066]

What I find weird about Messianic Judaism is Israel has a Law of Return, where Jews throughout the world can go live in Israel with no hassle, if they are Jewish or Atheist they are allowed back, but Messianic Jews are not allowed back, they are seen as traitors to the faith. It just seems weird that having faith in God does not matter, but it does if you have the "wrong" faith.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

That clear bigotry seems to be lost on the Christian Zionist movement within Evangelical Dispensationalism whose tendency it is to conflate Jews as a nation and Israel as a nation-state and to bless or excuse anything conservatives within the Israeli government happen to be doing.

[@k-v-d1795]

Because they are not Jews.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

@@k-v-d1795 Jewish atheists have not been denied that right. Jewish Christians have.

[@k-v-d1795]

@@ElasticGiraffe because bring a Jew is not about wearing a yalmulke and stop eating pork. The same as wearing a wig and wearing a dress doesn't make you a woman, just a bad joke.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

@@k-v-d1795 You can't really say Jewishness is about ethnicity when you want to include atheists and about religion when you want to exclude Christians. Pick one, and roll with it.

[@AI-hx3fx]

Once I had an officemate whose father was initially an Evangelical pastor, but after studying Hebrew and the Torah took their family and congregation along with the larger umbrella group towards something like this. By the time I met her, she would "try" to keep kashrut, and out of curiosity I would tell her on Fridays what time Shabbat started. She even shared some of the Jewish holidays but they still did baptisms and thus were more on the Christian side of things. This confused my Evangelical boss, who said it was like paddling in two rivers. EDIT: The larger organisation their congregation belongs to shifted to Judaic practise independently of their other connections. What makes them unusual beyond the fact they're not common here is that they were explicitly garden-variety Evangelical Christians who incorporated Judaism, not the other way round where a Jewish group professes Jesus in some form. And no, she did not cover her hair or wear "frum" clothes, but she did sneak a cheeseburger or two. Her father wears a kippah, speaks and reads Hebrew, and has been to Israel. She was very happy when I came home and gave her a simple brass candelabra to use that Hanukkah. It's good form (but not obligatory) to bring family and friends a little gift from one's travels. Everyone else got rosaries, icons, Jordanian dates, and Dead Sea beauty products.

[@KingDavid1979]

God die for 3 day and redirected 🤣🤣🤣 Christian jew misunderstood everything 😂😂😂

[@BigMac4459]

​@@hYpNoXiDeit's not contrary to either. Observing Jewish tradition and Jesus as the Messiah is literally what all the apostles, disciples, and Yeshua did.

[@AI-hx3fx]

@@BigMac4459To be fair, yes Jesus and His family and the Apostles and pretty much everyone else in their circle were observant Jews. Saint Paul and his gentile-affirming camp developed norms different to the more Jewish and Torah-observant side, and disputes over practise and beliefs marked the start of Christianity diverging from what was more definitively Judaism.

[@AI-hx3fx]

@@hYpNoXiDe Boss was very, very confused when we discussed it for curiosity's sake. Not sure how it began: did it start with her noticing something the other woman was doing?

[@jasonssavitt5297]

​@mackienzykahl you forget that the messiah and god are two different things. Also we reject christ because we don't believe in a second coming, and we believe the trinity is complete idolatry.

[@Jsmith2024]

Thanks. I always enjoy these 2-minute pieces

[@danaleanne38]

Im not jewish ,but I keep the sabbath. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patients of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith in Yashua.

[@Danielle842]

same, anyone who keeps sunday obeys catholic system

[@ianharper3213]

keeping the Jewish sabbath?

[@ianharper3213]

the word of God remains true : Isaiah 55:8-9 " For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts" if I keep 6 days of work and 1 for Elohim. Am I not keeping his command?

[@latkagravas986]

👍❤, a symbolic action. And it's where your heart is at with God (Trinity). For even Paris Hilton can keep the sabbath - from the prior nights hangovers.

[@PeterKKraus]

Who is the patients' doctor?

[@Joshua-uw7wm]

I used to attend a Messianic synagogue and it was the best way to worship in a group. IMO. It's accurate to scripture and a good place overall.

[@FortniteBlaster2]

Revelation 2:9 and 3:9

[@Nazarene_Judaism]

James 2:2 literal translation. @@FortniteBlaster2

[@joeyroberts4031]

@@FortniteBlaster2 that's because they didn't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, but messianic jews do so I don't see your point.

[@FortniteBlaster2]

@@joeyroberts4031 Whataboutism fallacy. Jews who follow Judaism do not believe in Jesus. They hate Jesus, and believe he is burning in human excrement. The Jews collectively claimed the death of Jesus on them, and their children. We are later warned about them by Saint Paul, who said: "The Jews, who killed our Lord Jesus Christ, displease God, and are HOSTILE to ALL men" If you don't see the point, you are either Jewish, or a Shabbos Goy Zionist.

[@Nazarene_Judaism]

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[@Stylah3001]

I have to say, I enjoy your breakdown of the christian churches that exist, its real refreshing to see this in a unbiased way. With that said, I was wondering if you could please do one of the African Methodist Episcopal and African Methodist Zion Episcopal churches and others affiliated with them. You've done great job on the Methodist and even the Church of God in Christ, but I have yet seen anything of those two mentioned above. It'd be great to see these and if they're were done help refer them to me. Thanks again and keep giving more awesome informative content. 👍

[@mythguard6865]

I’ve always found these folks to be fascinating! Most of them that I’ve spoken to make great conversation!

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

What have they a said?? I’ve been meaning to talk to one. They’re all about prophecy.

[@dunamisbacchus]

Always great work

[@notapplicable430]

Christian...but still under the Law? Sounds wearisome.

[@logicaredux5205]

I agree! But it does offer a compelling bridge for Jews to embrace Jesus as their Messiah.

[@b.l.8755]

Paul was a Jew who persecuted the Christians, and after converting and becoming an apostle continued to practice the law

[@bruhmingo]

Paul tells the Jews many times that they should still practice the law even after accepting the messiah, but they shouldn’t compel gentiles to do the same.

[@storozha777]

It comes down to their motivate behind why they practice the law. If they understand that they’re saved by grace though faith and not by works of the law then maybe they just practice it out of tradition.

[@geordiewishart1683]

What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey-whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?” (Romans 6:15-16, NIV). Some people had assumed that grace meant they could continue in a sinful lifestyle. Paul scorns that idea, saying sin is a form of slavery that leads to death. But what does Paul mean by “under law” and “under grace”? When the meaning of a Bible passage is unclear, we should first read the context-the verses before and after. That will usually help clear up any confusion. At times we will need to read the entire chapter or even the entire book or how certain language is used elsewhere to see the context. Interestingly, the epistle to the Romans-the letter that misguided theologians cite the most in arguing that Paul dismissed the Old Testament as being valid for Christians-actually has the largest number of Old Testament quotes that Paul uses to support his teachings! Paul quotes or paraphrases the Old Testament 84 times in this letter-an average of more than five times per chapter! So it’s nonsensical to argue that Paul in Romans is arguing against the validity or authority of the Old Testament or the laws of God written there. In all, Paul quotes or paraphrases 184 Old Testament passages in his writings (not counting another 83 in the book of Hebrews, which he likely also wrote), and this figure doesn’t include his additional dozens of references to people, places and events in the Old Testament. Who in his right mind quotes from a source as a primary support of his teachings while simultaneously arguing that this source is no longer valid or authoritative? Clearly that makes no sense. (This is addressed in detail in our free book The New Covenant: Does It Abolish God’s Law?) What subject is Paul addressing? But back to the context of Romans 6-what subject is Paul actually addressing? In Romans 6:1-2 Paul tells us: “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?” The issue or question he is addressing is simple: Can a Christian who has “died to sin”-by recognizing that his or her sin deserves the death penalty, and has sincerely repented, been baptized as a symbol of burying the old person in a watery grave and been symbolically raised to a new life as an entirely new person now led by God’s Spirit-continue in a life of sin? Paul’s answer is blunt and simple: “Certainly not!” In no way does grace nullify, invalidate or negate God’s law. As explained in this chapter, God’s law is actually another gift of God’s grace toward mankind-it reveals the thinking, character and mind of God and shows us the way He wants us to live! The longest chapter in the Bible, Psalm 119, is one long hymn of praise and thanks to God for the wisdom of God’s law and the blessings it brings to those who obey it. Grace and law don’t contradict one another, they greatly complement each other! After the first few verses of Romans 6, Paul goes into a detailed discussion of two ways of life. One is our old way of living that led to slavery to sin, suffering and death (sin being the breaking of God’s law, 1 John 3:4). The other, continuing in Romans 6, is to “die with Christ” (Romans 6:8), accepting His sacrifice to pay the death penalty we deserved, symbolically dying and being buried with Him in baptism, then rising from that watery grave “in newness of life” (Romans 6:4), now “alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:11). Now living a new life led by God’s Holy Spirit, we are to “not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts” (Romans 6:12), but to “present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead” (Romans 6:13). The crux of the matter Then we come to Paul’s pivotal statement in Romans 6:14: “For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.” With the background leading up to this, Paul’s meaning is clear. For a Christian, “sin shall not have dominion over you”-because Christians are freed from slavery to sin (from being under sin’s “dominion”) by Christ having died for us and are now “dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:11). Sin no longer has us enslaved. We have escaped its power and its penalty of death. “For you are not under law but under grace.” Throughout the chapter up to this point Paul has been comparing and contrasting a sinful way of life that leads to death and a way of receiving and accepting God’s gift of grace and mercy that leads to a new way of life that will ultimately be eternal life. Now he compares and contrasts two very different outcomes. “Under law,” in this context, is referring to being under the penalty of the law-which, as he has mentioned in nearly every verse up to this point, is death. The law required death as punishment for sin. That never changed. What changed is that through God’s grace, Jesus Christ emptied Himself of the glory, splendor, majesty and power that He shared with God the Father and came to earth as a physical human being to take that awful penalty on Himself in our place (Philippians 2:5-8; 1 Peter 1:18-19). Because of that supreme sacrifice on our behalf and His resurrection from the dead-also mentioned in nearly every verse in this chapter up to this point-we are no longer under the penalty of death, but “under grace.” In God’s grace He has called us to His truth, forgiven our sins by the sacrifice of His Son, and offers us resurrection to eternal life just as Jesus Christ has been resurrected to eternal life. Paul goes on to explain the only logical response in the lives of those who experience and recognize this great gift of God’s grace: “But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness” (Romans 6:17-18). In deep gratitude our response to God is to become “slaves of righteousness”-totally committed and dedicated to our new Master and totally rejecting our old master of sin and death. Thus, being under grace does not mean out from under obligation to obey God’s law. Being under grace means out from under the penalty of the law for breaking it so that we may be empowered with new life to live in obedience to it in following Jesus Christ as Ruler of our lives! Paul summarizes the point of this discussion in the last verse of the chapter, Romans 6:23: “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” “Gift” here translates the Greek word charisma, closely related to the word charis, meaning “grace.” And charisma means “gift”-the gift in this case being “eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”-the ultimate gift of God’s grace!

[@Yeshua_is_king_2024]

There is something strange about the messianic Jew communities I’ve found after visiting them. Besides legalistic emphasis on keeping all the old Jewish laws, denying new testament structure of church, but also charismatic views, over emphasis on God the father and not Jesus, not all but not uncommon members denying the Trinity, and even seen some suggest new testament scriptures are corrupted as reason to rely on Torah living over new testament living.

[@Nazarene_Judaism]

Read Acts 15. Jews remain jews and live as jews. Gentiles are given 4 things to follow. secondly there is no trinity. that word appears NOWHERE in scripture, however there is THE GODHEAD which we jews believe. the "trinity" is a Roman Catholic doctrine.

[@brianrich7828]

@@Nazarene_Judaismthe trinity is literally one God in three persons. The “phrase not used” argument is old, and frankly dishonest at this point.

[@Nazarene_Judaism]

@@brianrich7828 THE GODHEAD is what scriptures says. simple as that.

[@brianrich7828]

@@Nazarene_Judaism describes the exact same thing. We figured that out immediately. Kind of been at it for a couple of thousand years. Not decades.

[@WillHerrmann]

There are also Hebrew Catholics who are Catholic in belief (accepting all dogmas, having full communion with the Pope, etc) but still practice traditional Jewish customs and have Jewish holidays on their liturgical calendar. They are distinct from Messianic Jews which, as you said in the video, are more evangelical in their Christianity. In 2009, Pope Benedict XVI established the Anglican Use (Anglican converts to Catholicism being given permission to have mass and other aspects in an Anglican way), and there was speculation that this might lead to something similar for Hebrew Catholics. My understanding is that the biggest barrier for this is that the greatest number of Hebrew Catholics are in Israel and are ethnically Israeli (while most other Catholics are ethnically Palestinian), so they are slow to make changes to the status quo.

[@joshvarges9230]

that's ridiculous rabbinic judaism has been a rival to christianity from the beginning. don't they read the church fathers who stood against judaizing in the church

[@Xerxes2005]

@@joshvarges9230 I believe there is room for compromise here. The Council of Jerusalem and Paul in his epistles never abolished Jewish practices for Christian Jews. They only said that these practices were not necessary for salvation, they are not what define us as Christians, and that they should not be imposed on Christian Gentiles. Saint Peter and Saint Paul remained practicing Jews all their life. So, I don't see why there should not be a "Hebraic Rite" in the Catholic Church if these Jewish Catholics believe in Catholic dogmas, recognize the Pope as Vicar of Christ, go to Mass every Sunday and practice all the seven Sacraments.

[@eplatamx2017]

What? But idolatry is ultra forbidden by the bible, messianic Jews just accept Jesus as messiah but not a god nor do they worship him. Catholicism is full of saints that are actively worshiped

[@Xerxes2005]

@@eplatamx2017 We do not worship saints. We love them and ask them to pray for us. Worship is due to God alone.

[@Urfavigbo]

@eidanplatasalinas1428 ah, but that's not the case. The Catholic Church is full of saints, and we thank God for that. Imagine a Church without saints. That would be terrible. But we certainly don't worship the saints. That is duly given to God alone.

[@Descoob]

A good intro. Imagine a video that explains everything about Messianic Judaism. The old adage is two Jews, three opinions. There are many forms of Messianic Judaism.

[@kingofthemultiverse4148]

Technically, all Jews are Messianic Jews in the sense that they believe in and look forward to the coming of the Messiah or Mashiach, even the prophets of the Old Testament, but the difference is some Messianic Jews today believe in Jesus as the Messiah others reject him.

[@zjzr08]

​​@@kingofthemultiverse4148Not exactly true as many are non-religious Jews that just kinda don't care about a Messiah anymore.

[@andreichira7518]

It's odd to me that the Messianic Jews would gravitate toward fellowship with evangelical churches, rather than the Orthodox Church. Especially considering how much of the liturgical service in Orthodoxy mirrors Jewish liturgical worship, I'm surprised.

[@sorenpx]

It's because theologically they are usually rather far from Orthodoxy and much closer to evangelicalism. Many, like Jonathan Cahn, essentially ARE evangelicals even if they are Messianic.

[@andreichira7518]

@@sorenpx How bizarre. Thanks for the insight!

[@Talancir]

@@andreichira7518 Blame the introduction of pentecostals who wanted to witness to Jews sometime mid 20th century. before then, you would be right in thinking that the precursors to today's Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations would be more at home in the orthodoxy. I myself find some interesting parallels between the two faiths, and I'd been wanting to explore it more when I have the time. I'd been meaning to finish The Orthodox Way by Kallistos Ware, for instance...

[@Xerxes2005]

I'm not surprised at all. I'm noting that he said the Messianic Jews believe that Jesus is the Messiah and that they practice Jewish rites, but he didn't say if they believe in Christ's divinity, the Sacraments (only Baptism, but what does it mean to them?), the saints' intercession and a strong hierarchy. This would put them closer to Evangelicalism. He also said they accept non Jewish converts. Then again, I could see an Evangelical Christian being tempted to join that religion, but a practicing Catholic or Orthodox? Much harder. If most of the converts are indeed Evangelical, it would make Messianic Judaism much closer to Evangelicalism.

[@Talancir]

@Xerxes2005 well I mean, there's only so much to cover in two minutes. He does have a longer video on us somewhere.

[@EIonMusk1]

The sabbath was established at creation…. It has nothing to do with Jews lol the sabbath Saturday stands fast and forever.. Sunday is not sabbath or the lords day I follow bible unlike most apostate Protestants who follow catholic Sunday

[@alexandremuise8889]

I wonder if they skipped the Acts of the Apostles where Peter and Paul argue over circumcision being mandatory for the believer. Also, in Judaism; they view the Messiah as a political figure, not a figure that dies for our sins.

[@dstigers6140]

Nope. They understood it! They don't think gentiles need to be circumcised. They also read the part where Paul had Timothy circumcised.

[@evanu6579]

@@dstigers6140 Timothy was circumcised because they knew his father was a Jew and had the Jews known that Timothy wasn’t circumcised they would have rejected his testimony of the Gospel. In other words, he was circumcised to reach the Jews with the Gospel, not to obey the old law.

[@dstigers6140]

@@evanu6579 Acts 16:1 His father was Greek. You make a distinction without a difference. And we can only speculate on motive but he kept a law he never called old. And 1 Corinthians 9:19ff he was not without the law. When alexandremuise8889 invoked "circumcision being mandatory for the believer" it warranted showing Paul practicing it to evidence it's not wrong for Jews today. You gentiles! You know, according to scripture, you can eat rats and squirrels? When would you like to come over for some squirrel soup or boiled rat? So if a Jew prefers to pass on eating pork or otherwise preserve practices that are just normalized for them, show a little grace and let them, and maybe reread Romans 14 for motivational help. Or chat with a missionary about this. And don't claim to be more spiritual.

[@MalachiCo0]

Jews kinda have to do that though, they have a Covenant to keep with God. There is a debate on whether the circumcision requirement only doesn't apply to converts on the grounds of them needing to learn more about the faith first being that all that's required for salvation is faith, but I think the first reason will be the majority's justification for the practice and not the latter.

[@comically_large_cowboy_hat3385]

the moshiach has been viewed very differently throughout history….from judah maccabbee to cyrus the great to shabbatai zvi to the lubavitcher rebbe….but i will grant you it was mostly a political role throughout history

[@Robert_Sparkman_01]

Messianic Jews are sometimes not true Christians. Denial of the deity of Christ and the Trinity can be an issue. Additionally, certain congregations might reject portions of the canon, especially the writings of Paul, and accept non-canonical books as authoritative. Some believe the Jewish Christian is still under the Mosaic Covenant. While I would applaud the observance of Jewish festivals and the weekly Sabbath as a matter of choice, I wouldn't share their beliefs that they are required observances and that the Mosaic Covenant is still in effect. Also, some groups might not allow a Gentile to assume a leadership role in their congregation. I belonged to an Armstrongite cult that taught the observance of festivals and the weekly Sabbath. I believed that no one was saved outside of observance of the Saturday Sabbath and festivals, because these were signs of true believers. British Israelism played into my convictions in this regard. Anyways, I have suspicions that Messianic Judaism could lead to similar beliefs, but I know there are groups like Jews for Jesus and some Messianic Jewish groups that don't hold exclusivist beliefs like I did as an Armstrongite. In fact, I would consider such a group if it held Particular Baptist soteriology. That is an unlikely combination to find in rural Indiana though, and the Particular Baptist beliefs are more important to me.

[@SuperSpieth]

Amen 🙏

[@Talancir]

I would say a lot of the error you see is because of the substantial overlap with Hebrew Roots Christianity, as well as the pentecostal influence with modern Messianic Judaism. I know of a pastor who came to Messianic Judaism through Jesus Culture, for instance.

[@Robert_Sparkman_01]

@@Talancir Good observations. I have noticed the same.

[@Talancir]

@@Robert_Sparkman_01 as well, with regard to the Hebrew Roots Christians: a lot of their beliefs seem to put them in lockstep, repeating the rebellion of Korach. Recognizing no authority but God and repudiating any temporal authority is still rebellion against God, but many of these folks don't see what they're doing.

[@Robert_Sparkman_01]

@@Talancir Interesting. It is true that it is important to be under subjection to temporal authority. I guess one problem I'd have with that is that Herbert Armstrong used Korah, Dathan and Abiram to keep church members under submission to himself and church leadership. But, I do believe in the authority of the church and being into submission to it.

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

Can you do a video on the CREC?

[@malcolmabram2957]

I am a 'Christian Jew,' and very much trust and know the Lordship of our Lord Jesus Christ, and have a good knowledge of the scriptures, both OT and NT. I also have been baptised in the Spirit of God. HOWEVER Jesus was not a Christian. Christianity is a religion, Jesus Christ is the Way (John 14: 6, Genesis 18: 19), and we can only truly know Him in Spirit (1-Corinthians 12: 3). Many are they who profess being a Christian, but they do not know Him as Lord (Matthew 7: 21).

[@PSNSMANIACALMIND1st]

@methodius--9405 Thank you and bless you 🙏 ☦️ This clarity is desperately needed in these days

[@malcolmabram2957]

@methodius--9405 Thank you for sharing your insight. I find Paul's description of what is a true Jew is to be persuasive (Romans 2: 28-29), not to mention John's definition of what being saved really is (John 3: 17-21). I see that Jesus was a Jew, by the flesh, of the nation of Israel, but in terms of following the Jewish religion he acknowledged it as a language to be used for following the Way (Matthew 5: 18, John 5: 39), whilst Paul gave more light on this (Romans 3: 1). There is evidence that Jesus had been a Pharisee (I will need to look up my sources), and indeed not all Pharisees were blinded to true faith, Nicodemus being a good example.

[@dstigers6140]

​@methodius--9405 John 4:9 “You are a Jew,” said the woman. “How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” He was recognized as a Jew, and crucified as King of the Jews. You don't get to define words to mean what you like. And definitely need to get away from using "Christian" for the redeemed

[@dstigers6140]

@methodius--9405 Right, we are discussing the meaning of an English word and I doubt either of us can claim command of Greek, let alone address what language they spoke. I don't believe there is a Koine word that means Jew without also being able to mean Judean. Jesus never repudiated the label of Jew, nor claimed another corresponding or contradictory label. To insist that Jew means what you say does not bear up to simple examination of how it's used in scripture, let alone a cultural or historic analysis of non-pharisaic Judaism. Pharisaic Judaism would not become the norm in that part of the world until after the destruction of the temple. And there were the Jews of other earlier diaspora such as my maternal ancestors the Mizrahi.

[@dstigers6140]

@methodius--9405 I'm not sure what your two apparently unrelated points are in response to. But to be clear: we had older manuscript evidence for the Septuagint (a particular interest of mine) than for the Masoretic text (begging the question of which texts are meant). So what? Are you suggesting as Islam does that bad Jews corrupted the text? The Isaiah scroll of the Dead Sea Scrolls proved everyone wrong! There was a lot of minor alterations such as adding Alephs to indicate vowels where the text could have been ambiguous without knowing where a vowel was read in a text of only consonants. But the actual words were both revered and preserved across gaps of centuries. So having an alternative reading in a popular translation bears the burden of explaining why it's right and surviving manuscripts are not. I'm only speculating that this is your point since I understand Eastern Orthodoxy places the Septuagint as authoritative over the Hebrew Bible. As to your second statement: please don't attribute things you say as my thoughts. You don't know my thoughts. And I never said "ALL Christians are Jews". I disagreed that Jesus is not Jewish, and with your definition of Jew. Still not sure why you said any of that or what it has to do with what I did say. But this is exhausting! I'm just offended on the need to tear down someone else's religion! Can't you find more than enough problems in your own to rail against? Go argue with your friends who should respond with love, and please don't be rude to strangers!

[@Orick9417]

The letter to the Hebrews covered all of this. Most of Paul's letters cover all of this. The apostles still followed most of the Jewish holidays and teachings but didn't want to impose them on the gentile world. How is this controversial?

[@Urfavigbo]

The funniest thing about messianic Judaism is that there was no need to create a separate "denomination." There is already a church that circumcise their boys, keep kosher, and while they have church on Sunday and give it more emphasis, they also uphold the seventh day sabbath. *Hint* They are a historic church, and they also claim the title of one, Holy, catholic, and Apostolic.

[@AntiIdoloter]

Beign Jewish isn't just circumcision, Keeping shabbath and kosher. It's more. It's the way of living the laws and commandments.

[@Urfavigbo]

@@AntiIdoloter OK but those laws and commandments are already present in Christianity. Well except for the offerings and ceremonial laws. But that's not present in Judaism either I believe.

[@AntiIdoloter]

@@Urfavigbo No. Offerings and ceremonies are over through Christ . But the laws are incorporated from dressing to how to live .

[@Urfavigbo]

@@AntiIdoloter what part of what I said disagrees with what you said?

[@AntiIdoloter]

@@Urfavigbo You said those laws and Commandments are present in Christianity. In fact the Christians only take the 10 statements and leave the rest . So being a jew should keep all the laws apart from the offerings and ceremonies. But they should keep the festivals , dress code, food code, sanitary laws, Shabbat etc.. the list goes on . No Christians except the Jews keep it . This is my point

[@leadhesh]

You've got to make something about Hebrew roots and other people who believe in the Torah and Jesus.

[@TheDunestrider]

2/3rds of Jews say it is OK to be an atheist, but only 1/3rd say it is OK to believe Jesus was the Messiah? How very odd.

[@FortniteBlaster2]

It's not odd at all. Read the Talmud.

[@sarahchadwick4672]

@@FortniteBlaster2 what do you expect me to find when I read that?

[@FortniteBlaster2]

@@sarahchadwick4672 Disgusting and blasphemous teachings and beliefs of their Rabbi's. They discuss sexual intercourse with 3 year old girls, and how it is to be handled. But that's not the worse part. Gittin 57a Onkelos said to him: What is the punishment of that man, a euphemism for Jesus himself, in the next world? Jesus said to him: He is punished with boiling excrement. As the Master said: Anyone who mocks the words of the Sages will be sentenced to boiling excrement. And this was his sin, as he mocked the words of the Sages. The Gemara comments: Come and see the difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of the nations of the world. As Balaam, who was a prophet, wished Israel harm, whereas Jesus the Nazarene, who was a Jewish sinner, sought their well-being. Toldoth Noah 63b When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves Jews are permitted to lie to non-Jews, and refer to them as Goyim.

[@Patrick_919]

I thought the thumbnail was Garand Thumb at first. I was like, "Oh, that's a surprise."

[@robclark3095]

The very first Christians were Jews. Believing in Jesus as the Messiah didn't negate their Jewishness 2000 years ago nor should it now.

[@y.l7455]

"didn't negate" - it did. Their descendants don't even know about their ancestors being Jews now.

[@thejewishredneckprepper4675]

Another distinction that I see is not being mentioned is the denial of trinity.Most Messianic like all Jews deny trinity even though we knowledge Jesus as God. We hold to the absolute oneness of God and his son Jesus Messeih. We do not deny his humanity nor his deity.

[@Talancir]

I've found its more 50/50, by my experience.

[@c.a.t.732]

I don't remember the part in the Old Testament where it says when the Messiah comes he will have a very brief ministry, be killed, and then disappear for a couple of thousand years before eventually returning to complete his work.

[@JWatts-gc4zw]

The Messiah explains his entire mission in the New Covenant when he was on the earth and with his Disciples The New Covenant is prophecied in Jer 31:31

[@paulawallace8784]

​@JWatts-gc4zw Jeremiah tells of the "New Covenant" that comes in the MESSIANIC AGE, when GD will place HIS HOLY ETERNAL TORAH/LAW in the Midst of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL (Israel and Judah, United, Restored and Redeemed) and HE will INSCRIBE HIS HOLY ETERNAL TORAH/LAW upon thier Hearts, making HIS Priestly People WALKING EMBODIMENTS of HIS HOLY ETERNAL TORAH/LAW!

[@paulawallace8784]

That's because the NT is but a text of Greek Tall Tales, fabrications of Heathen Man, that have not a thing to do with Gd, Scripture or David's coming progeny.

[@drummoney7001]

@@JWatts-gc4zw The days are surely coming, says YHWH, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah

[@lesli9518]

Keep in mind two thousand years to us is two days to God.

[@AaronGeller]

Weird that I personally know the guy in the thumbnail photo

[@LawofChristMinistries]

Well, that’s wrong in itself because the book of Hebrews says that that old covenant is obsolete

[@BeckyCathell]

Yes, it does, but what about the covenent God made with Abraham about the land being an everlasting covenant? Is it just for the land? I hear that God hears their prayers because of this covenant? Even tho they reject Christ. confusing

[@pastordavidberman2091]

That’s interesting two weeks ago I went to the messianic synagogue. And that was the Rabbi the picture of the man you put up early in the video.

[@geraldarcuri9307]

As I read the New Testament, and I happen upon the word "Christ", my brain automatically replaces that word with the word, "Messiah". While I know that doesn't exactly make me a Messianic Jew, it certainly helps me appreciate the roots of my faith in Yeshua as Savior and Lord, first to the Jews and then to us "grafted in" Gentiles! This, I believe is the gospel that Paul and the apostles preached in the first century.

[@faustinuskaryadi6610]

​​​​@methodius--9405Actually in modern day Israeli Hebrew Christian is called Notzrim which is cognates with muslim word for Christian: Nasrani, but in many Arab speaking countries, for political correctness, muslim leaders use Masihiyyun instead Nasrani because Nasrani have bad connotation like calling Afro-American as negro or nigga in US.

[@slamdancer1720]

So replacing a Greek based word with a Hebrew based one with the same meaning?

[@FortniteBlaster2]

The Jews are cut off, the nations have been grafted in, while the natural branches have been removed. The Gospel went first to the Jews, and they rejected it, and almost killed Saint Paul.

[@joeyroberts4031]

@@FortniteBlaster2 that's like saying David and Solomon are going to Hell because they're Jewish. Messianic Jews are clearly different from the pharisees and Jews back then.

[@FortniteBlaster2]

@@joeyroberts4031David and Solomon weren't Jewish because the Jews didn't exist yet... Do you not even read the bible? They Jews come out of Babylonian captivity with the Edomites and other people of the Levant. We aren't talking about a VERY slim and small minority of "Messianic Jews" which probably aren't even Christian, but are the same Judaizers we see with Saint Peter, who claimed Jesus, but could not drop their Jewish pride and lust. We are speaking of a Jew, who follows Judaism. What are you not understanding?

[@hadassah179]

Do Messianic jews attend the Holy Fire Ceremony at the Sepulcher?

[@alex21mu]

Amen, Yeshuah is the messiah!!!

[@slamdancer1720]

Indeed Jesus is the Christ!

[@acogjefe4769]

@@slamdancer1720what does Christ mean?

[@NANA-fh6we]

@@acogjefe4769It’s a Greek word that means the same thing as messiah. It means “anointed one” or “chosen one”

[@KennethKlein-lc2mk]

My wife is a Jewish Christian who still enjoys attending synagogue when visiting her family. We've known a few "Messianic Jews" but at the congregational level most of them were gentiles at birth. I'm left with this uncomfortable feeling that they're playing. Their traditions are a cluster of practices taken kind of hodgepodge from distict differing Jewish ethno/religious groups. I know that traditional Jews feel uncomfortable among them because of their intense ethnic focus. I'm left wondering what became of the congregations Philip Gobel planted in the 20th century?

[@chissstardestroyer]

Well, the earliest Christians were basically Messianic Jews; so I frankly don't see much of a difference- in fact, the Apostolic name for "Christians" is "Followers of the Way".

[@martinkullberg6718]

Could you also make video over the church I attend? It's origins ly in the brethren movement

[@salyluz6535]

@martin: It might help to know which of the Brethren churches you attend! I also attend a church descended from the Schwarzenau Brethren Movement. There are very many of us. We are a combination of Anabaptist and Pietist convictions. I do wish he would do more videos on our type of believers, but I really do appreciate how thorough he is being!

[@ileneyadegari8055]

I think it’s wonderful ! I think because we are so removed from the culture that we can misinterpret many things. A Jewish person would know more about the meaning . There are a lot of different Christians in Israel and I love to hear how they began to believe in Jesus. I wish I could have that advantage knowing how the Hebrew texts are meant to be interpreted.

[@lothara.schmal5092]

You know where there were even more Christians? Palestine

[@longnhattran2627]

My friend, Christianity start in Jerusalem, Palestine. That's why we have the song Palästinalied.

[@salyluz6535]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@longnhattran2627 I never heard of such a song. Who wrote it? Palestine was merely the word the Roman Empire decided to call Israel, renaming them as an insult to Jewish identity, and to take away our historic & natural name. Following Muslim empires and then the British empire continued this practice, to deprive Israel and Judaea of respect. It’s not what any God-follower in the Bible called the Holy Land! If referring to a certain specific part of the Holy Land, often that part is named, such as Samaria, Judea, Galilee, the Negev, etc. The area that is now called the “West Bank” is actually the Biblical heartland of Samaria and Judea, where so much of Bible history actually occurred! If anything, the word Palestine is actually derived from Philistine, as in Goliath who fought David, and the Philistines who captured Samson and gouged out his eyes. They were an ancient enemy of the Israeli people, they lived around Gaza along the sea, and they originally came from the Greek islands. They were not historically Arab people. Some of the violent Arabs living in Israel in the 1940s decided to appropriate that ancient Philistine/Palestine name and claim that they lived there before the Jews. But if you go back 100 years, there was no such people as Palestinians. They were Arabs who came in from surrounding countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, nomadic people, etc. After the 1948 UN declaration recognizing the formerly British Empire-ruled Palestine as being the nation of Israel, Arabs and Jews were each offered a partition of the land, to live in peace. The Arabs who accepted and wanted to live in peace mostly went across the Jordan River and lived in what is now called Jordan, or else stayed in Israel, mainly lived in peace and grew to appreciate the opportunities and stability that come with living in a democracy. The Arabs who did not want to live in peace began calling themselves Palestinians, and continued to do violence against the Jews. Today these “Palestinians“ raise their children with brainwashing and teach them the main purpose of their life is to kill all the Jews, to remove every Jew from the face of the earth! Israel has had to become more and more strict with them, and more protective of the Israeli people so there can be at least one place on earth where they can safely live without fear of another Holocaust! Recent surveys among the Arabs who live in Israel show that most Arabs in Israel do not want to live in Palestine, and do not want to live in Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim country. Arabs who choose to live peacefully and respectfully inside of Israel, have come to appreciate the opportunities for education, job advancement and a good atmosphere for starting their own businesses. They appreciate the rule of law, the infrastructure, security, and consistent water and power that Israel provides its residents. They appreciate that if they become citizens they can vote and hold political office! More and more Arabs are choosing to become Israeli citizens, and even serve in the IDF! More are joining the Israeli Defence Force every year, and for an excellent example, look up Major Ella. She is a wonderful example, an Arab Muslim woman who is an Israeli citizen and in a major in the Israeli Defence Forces! The IDF reflects the diverse population of Israel, Jews and Arabs, Christians and Druze.

[@noahs.627]

​@@longnhattran2627jerusalem, israel* Palestine not real

[@longnhattran2627]

@@noahs.627 un Zionist kid are screaming ''no Palestine''.

[@anon8638]

It's a offshoot of evangelism mixed with Judaism. The Orthodox Church is the Messianic Jewish church.

[@phills6732]

Never seemed to controversial while I was in it, but now that I'm on the outside, it is an interesting sticking point.

[@PSNSMANIACALMIND1st]

Have you discovered Orthodoxy yet?

[@timothycummins2700]

If you think about it chronologically, Messianic Jews (Hebrews) were the original Christians. This is why these beliefs resonate with so many people.

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

Isn’t it odd how the one thing that supposedly cancels out one’s Jewishness is believing in the Jewish Messiah?

[@benjaminr6153]

He’s not the Jewish messiah and nearly 2,000 years of brutal, often genocidal persecution in the name of Jesus, makes adopting or converting to Christianity (which Messianic Judaism is) a negation of Jewish peoplehood and experience.

[@sjbjohn]

@@benjaminr6153 you just proved his point.

[@williamhoneycutt8868]

​@@benjaminr6153Matthew 7:21-23

[@tracebooks]

The New Testament begins “This is the account of the genealogy of Jesus, son of David, son of Abraham…” He is the only person who came at the time prophecied in Daniel. All His earliest followers were Jewish, and they still went to temple and were observant. It wasn’t for about 150 years that the rabbis kicked out anyone but Pharisees (including several other sects) that Jewish believers started building their own buildings to meet in. (Gentile believers already did). And it wasn’t until under Constantine that the church forced them to quit all Jewish practices-it was a political tool, and that’s also when aspects of the popular pagan religions were added. Just as standing in a garage doesn’t make you a car, going to church isn’t what makes someone a follower of Jesus. Certainly people who hate the family of Jesus aren’t following him!

[@zjzr08]

To be fair the history between the ancient Church and the rabbinic belief has been tough so I understand it...I'm just happy that fracture is being fixed gradually in the recent generation.

[@KyleNewsom-m1w]

I was a messianic jew actually they are very intelligent and would be an Orthodox Christian like me if church history we're taught anymore and my Jewish heritage I felt at home, that said the holy Orthodox church is my new home and feels more like temple Judaism instead of copying rabbinicism still have so much love for my messianic s but no longer can think those ways

[@davidbeckhambecks]

The Lord SANCTIFIED and BLESSED the 7th day SABBATH, not pagan sunday.. anyone who keeps sunday instead of sabbath Saturday is following the catholic system and not scripture.

[@salyluz6535]

That is not just Catholic! Before the Roman Catholic Church insisted on lording it over the other churches, they were all one with the many Orthodox churches.

[@Panwere36]

I do not believe any Christians should be forcing Messianic Jews, because they are not forcing Christians to adopt their customs and such.

[@Jalu3]

Had a high school friend who was a "Jews for Christ" church member, however had a conservative Jewish friend who denied my other friend's Jewish identity due to his and his families view of Jesus as the Messiah.

[@AntiIdoloter]

But that same friend will accept his Jewish identity if he becomes an atheist. They just despise The LORD.

[@TexGaming]

I mean isnt this basically what the original followers were, before the message got to the gentiles?

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

In the future, the Messianic king will arise and renew the Davidic dynasty, restoring it to its initial sovereignty. He will build the Temple and gather the dispersed of Israel.

[@JWatts-gc4zw]

You just described what Jesus will do when he returns.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

Whoever changes the Torah is a false prophet. @@JWatts-gc4zw

[@JWatts-gc4zw]

He didnt change the Torah he fulfilled it. "Do not think that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets. I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. matthew 5:17@@hrvatskinoahid1048

[@FelicidadCapistrano]

did you practice about tithe sir

[@TheDonald2024]

The Sabbath was established at creation, it is a sign between us and God... sunday is the pagan catholic day not the Lords day.

[@salyluz6535]

Not just Catholic. It was all the Orthodox Church before the Catholics split off.

[@truthnottradition7]

You might like my lesson about the Sabbath. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHvHZ4uhjZdlf7M

[@Sam-bc6sr]

0:49 Speaking as a Gentile Christian, I agree with that. The laws of Moses were given to the children of Israel, and I don't see anywhere in Scripture that said that they no longer had to follow them after Jesus came. The apostles, and JESUS HIMSELF, as Jews, followed the law. It was the Gentile converts who didn't have to follow.

[@AndersonBakerKonig]

Unlike most apostate protestants in America who call catholic sunday the lords day ( 😅 ) I chose the keep all 10 commandments including the 4th commandment sabbath commandment, the only commandment God says to REMEMBER and KEEP... I keep it not to be saved but because I love Jesus and if you love him you KEEP his commandments. John 14:15

[@DaRealPu]

Curious but do messianic Jews kinda agree that the death of Christ was responsible because of their ancestors?

[@melissag89]

This is beautiful I have been wanting to convert❤

[@Talancir]

Messianic Judaism has no official conversion process except that which is spoken of by God: the gifting of the Holy spirit as a result of your acceptance of Jesus' propitiation, and the exchange of the heart of stone for a heart of flesh.

[@birgitta3379]

I went to a messianic synagogue when I was little but when my family moved too far away we switched to a united christian church nearby😅 it confused me a little!

[@lindseyoliver5088]

Important to note that not all of us are trinitarian.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

And some even reject the Pauline corpus.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

@marriage4life893 True, the context being an antinomian reading of Paul that Peter and likely also James wanted to address.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

@followingchristalone Some segments of Evangelical Protestantism might lean in that direction -- "free grace theology" -- but I wouldn't call it the standard reading. Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and traditional Protestants can't be regarded as antinomian.

[@sorenpx]

@ElasticGiraffe Free Grace folk are not antinomian, nor do they "lean in that direction." Free Gracers recognize the need for personal holiness and sanctification, but simply insist that salvation is truly by faith alone.

[@ElasticGiraffe]

@@sorenpx I'd be interested to hear what you believe FGT contributes that more traditional Protestantisms lack in regard to Sola Fide.

[@danhightower9500]

We were never told the Sabbath or the Feasts were optional.

[@IamSnowbird]

In my opinion the people who practice this are religiously Christian but can still be Jewish ethnically. It is confusing because you can chose to practice Judaism as a religion and also come from Jewish ethnic background. If you convert your religion is Jewish but you would ethnically be what you always were. Conversely you can come from a long line of Jewish ancestors but decide to practice a different religion. I believe as long as you believe in Jesus your religion is Christianity. A Jew can also be an atheist in the same way.

[@naisah8605]

A question: do you believe that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, are one? The Trinity. But I really respect your faith regardless. May God bless you.

[@stephenbailey9969]

The Lord has followers everywhere. We can't let cultural differences obscure that Christ's body is one.

[@latkagravas986]

❤Wow, Thank You on this!👍 Regarding Jews indicating Messianic Jews don't qualify, what irony!: Jesus (God's son) even said 'just being descendants of Abraham don't qualify you for salvation ----for God can turn these stones into descendants of Abraham Regarding practising and keeping most or all of the OT Jews customs and laws: The Bible clearly points out, they were only 'reminders' to selves as chosen people of where they still fall short of God - 'reminders ONLY!". As a Christian (Trinity), I say there is nothing wrong to keep OT practices and customs (I love a many of them, for any Jew, especially the celebration ones!❤ - but salvation is thru 'Born Again'. Just as Sir Laurence Olivier came up to Jesus in that film scene. As well all know, has been concentrating on his Church - but is not done with Israel. These type of mislead Jews are no different from Islamic muslim believers whom reject Jesus as Messiah. INCREDIBLE!

[@The_OrthoBully]

“Christians should not have the slightest recourse with Jews.” - St. John Chrysostom

[@PSNSMANIACALMIND1st]

That is to say that the Holy Catholic Apostolic Orthodox faith of Chrysostom (a Byzantine, the Archbishop of Constantinople) contains and continues the faith laid out by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, and Christ. The Jews must accept Christ and His Church. No recourse into phariseic practice even makes sense.

[@eugenesteinbeck9469]

Nothing he wrote was Scripture, so whatever.

[@Urfavigbo]

This does not mean Jewish Christians are a bad thing, though, or they should be shunned. Just Jews that do not accept the Messiah

[@yunaru3643]

​@@eugenesteinbeck9469I mean Paul already said that works of the Law (Torah) doesn't save, so yeah

[@PSNSMANIACALMIND1st]

@@eugenesteinbeck9469 "The church has fallen, millions must reform"

[@mosesjoshuawinter1142]

I have been "A Christian" since Fall of 1972; but no more I consider myself A Messianic Jew since before 9/11. The Reason "Hypocrisy In 'The Church' " . And, I put this Question to You, "Has 'IT' Gotten any better ?" You know "The answer". I would ask You to consider doing "A Very Close Read" of Book of 'Romans' from Roms. Chapt. 9 to 14 . Read IT at least 3 times. The door "Salvation Door" is thrown wide OPEN, and The Door to The Gentiles is slowly CLOSING. Good Luck with Your NEW STUDYING, Jacob - James M. 😮

[@EveryKneeWillBow2Christ]

Even in death Jesus kept the sabbath... he arose on the first day sunday not 7th day sabbath.. sunday is the false sabbath that catholic pagan Constantine the "great" established..

[@rahawa774]

Excellent observation!

[@jasonssavitt5297]

"You shall not go after other gods, gods of the people around you; for the Lord your God is a jealous God among you lest the anger of the lord thy God be inflamed against you and destroy you from the face of the earth" Devarim 6:14-15

[@JWatts-gc4zw]

Christians do not go after other gods. They only worship Israels God. Jesus is the Son of God.

[@SurfAndTravel]

Sunday is not and will NEVER be the lords day, I follow the Bible not catholic church

[@greatexpectations6577]

Why does the thumbnail on the video look like Messi ??

[@DanteInfernski22]

This video presents a mix of messianic Jews and the Hebrew roots movement. Messianic Jews are simply ethnically Jewish people who believe in Jesus. They maintain their Jewish identity just like Peter or Paul did. They might celebrate Jewish holidays but don’t believe it is required. They normally don’t keep kosher. Jews for Jesus are messianic Jews. The Hebrew roots movement is more like what is described in this video. These are mostly gentile Christians who think they need to keep the Jewish law. There are almost no ethnic Jews in this movement.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

No, this video is about Messianic Jews, for example congregations that are part of the IAMCS or UMJC. Most do keep kosher. Hebrew Roots is something entirely different.

[@DanteInfernski22]

@@ReadyToHarvest I grew up among messianic Jews in Israel. They would mostly agree with me. But I guess you are educating people about these specific congregations. I know you do your homework, I’ll assume you’re right.

[@user-zh5sv3op3n]

Really good explanation! I guess a some “Hebrew roots” gentiles start fancying themselves Jewish and thus they are the ones seen as messianic Jews, rather than ethnic Jews.

[@kingofthemultiverse4148]

As a gentile Christian i like Messianic Judaism, i also as a gentile Christian follow the Noahide Laws and Christ's law as well; Love God and love you're neighbor.

[@Nazarene_Judaism]

amen

[@seasonedwithsalt5129]

You are both completely blind, lost, and deceived. You are not Christians. Repent!

[@paulawallace8784]

Christianity is the Last Beast.

[@kingofthemultiverse4148]

@@paulawallace8784 What? what are you talking about? man why do you athiests pop up everywhere? i understand that you hate religion but keep it to yourself, this video does not even talk about athiesm, its about Messianic Judaism, nobody here is attacking your worldview, then why are you so bitter and hateful?

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

@@paulawallace8784 ,....What?

[@MilitantOldLady]

No, i'm sorry you can't wear both shoes and have it your way. The Gospel is very clear, you're either in on it or not. You can't fan fiction it for yourself.

[@PSNSMANIACALMIND1st]

Ironically they would feel very much at home practicing Orthodoxy. looks like they got so deep in protestantism that they went full circle and tried to reinvent Orthodoxy. Thanks again, Rome!

[@Talancir]

I a Messianic Jew request an explanation of your post. I'm not sure I follow.

[@LawofChristMinistries]

This sounds like the reformers who couldn’t leave entirely the Roman Catholic Church the messianic Jews cannot leave Judaism. The Bible talks about the church. Is those who are one in Christ both Jews and gentiles both groups have become one now, but it seems to me like they want to stay separate, somewhat concerning

[@lilajagears8317]

I understand that Bob Dylan is a Messianic Jew.

[@Fred-Phelps]

really is that true?

[@blairkenneth7739]

Was Jesus a Methodist or a Baptist? I believe John the Baptist was a Baptist. The Catholic church thought that Galileo was wrong about the earth revolves around the sun. I don't see how that has anything to do with religion, whether right or wrong.

[@EIonMusk1]

I didn’t know Messi had a Jewish brother 😂

[@jovialbivouacker99]

By OT/NT, I assume you mean The The Hebrew Bible and The Greek Scriptures, respectively?

[@jamesba-xd7xf]

messianic judaism is NOT biblical new testiment christianity. they are not christians but judaizers that paul warned about in galations and romans. FIRST, they believe you must keep parts of the old covenant (the law) in order to be saved. paul says " by works of the law shall NO HUMAN be justified", paul says in galations 2:19-21 For through the law I have died to the law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; 20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing. later paul says "those who are depending upon keeping the law are under Gods curse, for the bible says CURSED is anyone who does not abide by ALL that is written in the law as to do them". messianic judaism is simply following judaism why trying to add Jesus to thier judaism. this CANNOT be done, judaism believes we are made right with God by keeping the law, judaism REJECTS the Lord Jesus christ and God the father, PLUS they reject the need for a blood sacrafice. Judaism also believes satan is Gods servent and NOT Gods enemy. you can no more believe in the true biblical jesus and follow judaism than you can believe in Jesus and follow islam or mormanism. NEXT, if you are ashamed to be called a "christian" you are not saved. NEXT, most messianic jews support zionism and the modern state of israel which rejects christ, and persecutes christians and palastianians. this whole obsession with worshipping a piece of land in the middle east is IDOLATRY, not biblical christianity. I do not understand the obsession with being jewish and jewish culture either, God doesnt care 2 cents what any of our ethnic or racial group is, galations says " there is NEITHER JEW, not greek, male, nor female, nor bond or free, we are ALL ONE in christ Jesus. Jews who trust in christ and his shed blood ALONE for salvation are my fellow christian brothers. jews who follow judaism but simply add jesus to thier judaism is a judaizer which paul ( who is Jewish) condemns. messainic judaism is trying to devide the body of christ. . FINALLY, hebrews clearly says as does paul elsewhere that the NEW COVENANT has replaced the old covenant. God no longer recognises the old covenant .

[@Talancir]

a lot of this is a terrible strawman and I definitely wouldn't mind a further dialogue on this. Hi, nice to meet you; I'm an ex-mormon, raised in that cult until I left at 15, and accepted Jesus as my lord and Savior soon after (I'm 40 now). I acknowledged and accepted his propitiation for my sake and am grateful for the salvation from the penalty of sin won by his death, grace I could never have merited on my own. I consider myself a Born Again Christian. The first time I sinned after accepting his salvation, I thought I could never serve him as he deserved, and sought to kill myself so that I would enter hell. I tried and failed to do so, and then after 9/11 happened, I joined the army so as to seek suicide by a Muslim. I threw myself at every sin I could stomach with the idea that I would provoke his wrath and kill me. I made it through a tour in South Korea, and then I made it through a tour in Iraq, surviving by God’s grace - though I couldn't acknowledge it at the time. God called me back from my prodigal lifestyle in the seat of a Messianic Jewish congregation, and I have sought my God and his Kingdom ever since. I believe that there are two natures at war within me, and though I try, I sometimes fail. Like Paul, I want to do right, yet evil lies close at hand (Romans 7:21-25). Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, faithful and compassionate, just and impassioned, who justifies his saints through the atonement of Jesus our Messiah. I also believe that when we fail, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). Because indeed, as Paul pointed out, we are no strangers to transgression, for sin is transgression of the law. Thank God Jesus was manifested to take away our sins (1 John 3:4-5) I am grateful that the only unforgivable sin remains blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, for am sure I fail him daily, though I desire to walk as he walked. For we are called to be holy as God is holy, because he who called me is holy (1 Peter 1:15-16), so we must strive to walk as Jesus walked (1 John 2:6), in imitation of Paul who imitated Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:11).

[@geordiewishart1683]

What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey-whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?” (Romans 6:15-16, NIV). Some people had assumed that grace meant they could continue in a sinful lifestyle. Paul scorns that idea, saying sin is a form of slavery that leads to death. But what does Paul mean by “under law” and “under grace”? When the meaning of a Bible passage is unclear, we should first read the context-the verses before and after. That will usually help clear up any confusion. At times we will need to read the entire chapter or even the entire book or how certain language is used elsewhere to see the context. Interestingly, the epistle to the Romans-the letter that misguided theologians cite the most in arguing that Paul dismissed the Old Testament as being valid for Christians-actually has the largest number of Old Testament quotes that Paul uses to support his teachings! Paul quotes or paraphrases the Old Testament 84 times in this letter-an average of more than five times per chapter! So it’s nonsensical to argue that Paul in Romans is arguing against the validity or authority of the Old Testament or the laws of God written there. In all, Paul quotes or paraphrases 184 Old Testament passages in his writings (not counting another 83 in the book of Hebrews, which he likely also wrote), and this figure doesn’t include his additional dozens of references to people, places and events in the Old Testament. Who in his right mind quotes from a source as a primary support of his teachings while simultaneously arguing that this source is no longer valid or authoritative? Clearly that makes no sense. (This is addressed in detail in our free book The New Covenant: Does It Abolish God’s Law?) What subject is Paul addressing? But back to the context of Romans 6-what subject is Paul actually addressing? In Romans 6:1-2 Paul tells us: “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?” The issue or question he is addressing is simple: Can a Christian who has “died to sin”-by recognizing that his or her sin deserves the death penalty, and has sincerely repented, been baptized as a symbol of burying the old person in a watery grave and been symbolically raised to a new life as an entirely new person now led by God’s Spirit-continue in a life of sin? Paul’s answer is blunt and simple: “Certainly not!” In no way does grace nullify, invalidate or negate God’s law. As explained in this chapter, God’s law is actually another gift of God’s grace toward mankind-it reveals the thinking, character and mind of God and shows us the way He wants us to live! The longest chapter in the Bible, Psalm 119, is one long hymn of praise and thanks to God for the wisdom of God’s law and the blessings it brings to those who obey it. Grace and law don’t contradict one another, they greatly complement each other! After the first few verses of Romans 6, Paul goes into a detailed discussion of two ways of life. One is our old way of living that led to slavery to sin, suffering and death (sin being the breaking of God’s law, 1 John 3:4). The other, continuing in Romans 6, is to “die with Christ” (Romans 6:8), accepting His sacrifice to pay the death penalty we deserved, symbolically dying and being buried with Him in baptism, then rising from that watery grave “in newness of life” (Romans 6:4), now “alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:11). Now living a new life led by God’s Holy Spirit, we are to “not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts” (Romans 6:12), but to “present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead” (Romans 6:13). The crux of the matter Then we come to Paul’s pivotal statement in Romans 6:14: “For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.” With the background leading up to this, Paul’s meaning is clear. For a Christian, “sin shall not have dominion over you”-because Christians are freed from slavery to sin (from being under sin’s “dominion”) by Christ having died for us and are now “dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:11). Sin no longer has us enslaved. We have escaped its power and its penalty of death. “For you are not under law but under grace.” Throughout the chapter up to this point Paul has been comparing and contrasting a sinful way of life that leads to death and a way of receiving and accepting God’s gift of grace and mercy that leads to a new way of life that will ultimately be eternal life. Now he compares and contrasts two very different outcomes. “Under law,” in this context, is referring to being under the penalty of the law-which, as he has mentioned in nearly every verse up to this point, is death. The law required death as punishment for sin. That never changed. What changed is that through God’s grace, Jesus Christ emptied Himself of the glory, splendor, majesty and power that He shared with God the Father and came to earth as a physical human being to take that awful penalty on Himself in our place (Philippians 2:5-8; 1 Peter 1:18-19). Because of that supreme sacrifice on our behalf and His resurrection from the dead-also mentioned in nearly every verse in this chapter up to this point-we are no longer under the penalty of death, but “under grace.” In God’s grace He has called us to His truth, forgiven our sins by the sacrifice of His Son, and offers us resurrection to eternal life just as Jesus Christ has been resurrected to eternal life. Paul goes on to explain the only logical response in the lives of those who experience and recognize this great gift of God’s grace: “But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness” (Romans 6:17-18). In deep gratitude our response to God is to become “slaves of righteousness”-totally committed and dedicated to our new Master and totally rejecting our old master of sin and death. Thus, being under grace does not mean out from under obligation to obey God’s law. Being under grace means out from under the penalty of the law for breaking it so that we may be empowered with new life to live in obedience to it in following Jesus Christ as Ruler of our lives! Paul summarizes the point of this discussion in the last verse of the chapter, Romans 6:23: “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” “Gift” here translates the Greek word charisma, closely related to the word charis, meaning “grace.” And charisma means “gift”-the gift in this case being “eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”-the ultimate gift of God’s grace!

[@jamesba-xd7xf]

@@geordiewishart1683 sir, NOWHERE did I imply or say that a christian can sin all they want becouse they are not under law but grace,. you left out galations 1,2 and3 and 4. and you left out romans 1,2,3, 4 and 5. the old covenant has been abolished as hebrews says, Gods moral laws are ETERNAL.....where did God tell adam and eve or caine and abel "thou shalt not kill???? so when caine killed abel it wasnt a sin right?? WRONG!, becouse Gods moral law ALWAYS existed, it didnt begin with the 10 commandments. so although the old covenant has been abolished Gods moral law continues!, HOWEVER, we are not rightous with God becouse we keep his moral law but becouse of christs death, shed blood to give us HIS rightousness!. james 2:10 says if we keep ALL og Gods laws but break JUST ONE we are guilty of breaking them all. judaism teaches that if we repent of our sins God declaires us rightous WITHOUT Jesus shed blood!. what they ignore is that "without the shedding of blood there is NO forgiveness of sin" and the fact that NO ONE other than christ has lived or achieved a sinless life. we may be very holy compared to other humans but compared to God we ALL fall far short. "by works of the law shall NO MAN be justified".

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Thank you for making a fun video for people that believe in the Whole Bible, Torah, all of God's words, Thanks ! 🙂

[@Talancir]

Hi, nice to meet you; I consider myself a Born Again Christian, and my walk of faith is Messianic Judaism. I'm an ex-mormon, raised in that cult until I left at 15, and accepted Jesus as my lord and Savior soon after (I'm 40 now). I acknowledged and accepted his propitiation for my sake and am grateful for the salvation from the penalty of sin won by his death, grace I could never have merited on my own. The first time I sinned after accepting his salvation, I thought I could never serve him as he deserved, and sought to kill myself so that I would enter hell. I tried and failed to do so, and then after 9/11 happened, I joined the army so as to seek suicide by a Muslim. I threw myself at every sin I could stomach with the idea that I would provoke his wrath and kill me. I made it through a tour in South Korea, and then I made it through a tour in Iraq, surviving by God’s grace - though I couldn't acknowledge it at the time. God called me back from my prodigal lifestyle in the seat of a Messianic Jewish congregation, and I have sought my God and his Kingdom ever since. No, I'm not a judaizer (lol). Yes, I've read Galatians and I agree with Paul. Any other questions?

[@ronanjm]

Why subscribe to rituals that are mere shadows (Col. 2:16-17) instead of real Christian rituals such as the Divine Office or Sacred Liturgy? These Jewish festivities were never supposed to exist in perpetuity.

[@Talancir]

@ronanm.1967 context. The congregation in the city of Colossae was Gentile ( 2:11, 2:13, 3:11 ). Colossae was a city in Asia Minor and like most of the area at that time was under the Roman Empire. Like most Romans (and frankly all non-Jewish people at that time) they grew up with all the Roman deities of their day. They worshiped many gods, but usually the most powerful god was connected with sun worship. They had their temples and they had their special feasts to their gods - usually revolving around special solar days such as the winter solstice and the spring equinox and such. They made sacrifices, burned incenses and frequently participated with temple prostitution as part of their worship. They were your basic pagans of the time. However, apparently the message of Jesus had come to them and they converted. Word of this made its way back to Paul, which is why he is writing them this letter. Converting, by its very nature, implies they stopped doing things associated with their old religion and started doing things associated with their new Jewish-based religion. They likely turned from their old pagan practices and started keeping Sabbaths, and the Jewish festivals and such. That must have really made them look peculiar to their old pagan friends and family and it appears they were being criticized for that very thing. But Paul is encouraging them to keep it up, to keep the faith and not listen to their judgmental pagan friends. This is what Paul is saying in Colossians 2:16-17. Far from telling them to ignore the Sabbaths and feasts, he is telling them to keep going in spite of their persecution. However, you are correct that there will come a day when the law is no longer needed: " For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." -Matthew 5:18 We eagerly await the World-to-Come: the new heavens and the new earth. Until then, all law points to Jesus. It is only right that we observe God’s appointed times in celebration of our Savior and King.

[@ronanjm]

@@Talancir Yeah this is false, the Law was fulfilled once and for all by Christ, reread Galatians.

[@00Fisher00]

@@Talancir Hey, it sounds like you've had an interesting path through life, but when you say "mormon" if you're referring to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it's a really bad thing to use a term like "cult" to refer to the Church. The term simply isn't applicable unless by it you mean "sect" or "religion", but that's not how people will understand you. In fact, people will understand very little of what you mean by that word because it's so poorly used in general. Incidentally, it's a strange thing that you only accepted Jesus Christ as the Savior after leaving an organization whose members only join because they accept Jesus Christ as their Savior; you must have really misunderstood what the Church is about. Please refrain from using pejoratives when referring to others' religion.

[@josh_final]

​@methodius--9405 Messianic Jews don't keep the old temple sacrifices or the temple priesthood, so your question is irrelevant. Please actually learn about Messianic Judiasm before acting like you're making a big point. I encourage you to watch Ready to Harvest's 20 or so min video on us.

[@abuyusuf2641]

I think a more accurate view of Messianic Judaism would be believing in Jesus as a prophet and messiah but not the son of god or divine, the latter being a Christian belief introduced by Paul. Monotheism is an important part of Judaism and saying Jesus is god is not monotheism.

[@joelabraham9456]

In 1 sentence : American evangelicals doing cultural appropriation rather terribly and insulting Christianity and Judaism in the process

[@PSNSMANIACALMIND1st]

Satan's bulwark against the truth of Orthodoxy

[@logicaredux5205]

In the U.S. that may be the case, but not so much in Israel. There the majority of Messianics are Jews.

[@dstigers6140]

​@@PSNSMANIACALMIND1stThat's just rude!

[@acekoala457]

​@@dstigers6140 Orthodoxy is the Faith of the Fathers of both the Old and New Testament. Unfortunately many people deny this.

[@dstigers6140]

@@acekoala457 That's because it's a falsifiable claim. But I'm not calling your claim Satan's bulwark. Don't need Satan when we have us doing the very things Jesus warned us against because religious people are of very few types. Making stuff up, teaching that, and saying God commanded it, that's "the leaven of the Scribes and Pharisees". And who said that Jesus casts out devils by the prince of devils? They're the father of calling the others Satan's bulwark. As I said, rude! Finally: the faithful of scripture never called either Old nor New Testament. Gentiles came up with those unfortunate monikers. Whoever you're listening to, you're learning stuff outside of "the faith once and for all delivered to the saints".

[@Growmetheus]

Exodus 12:49 says FOREVER. In the first and second century Christians reported how messianic jews fought extremely hard in order to maintain the law in their own homeland under christ, as people of the nations did not understand. This was not against Christ at all considering his law is to respect the governing authority and let God rule society. This is all the more powerful in the nation of Israel, where in their law system is not based on tradition but on Moses where people got caught up in tradition socially.

[@Growmetheus]

Regarding sabbath, Jesus says "beware the end does not come ON THE SABBATH" despite knowing the end would come after he died. If he had put an end to the law in the nation of Israel, then he would not be fulfilling it, he would be replacing it.

[@Growmetheus]

The scripture I gave as an example does not mean that you cannot participate in Passover, only within the borders of Israel you are not allowed to participate in pass over as you are not following the law there as Paul said we explicitly must do in Romans!!!

[@hellenicboi14]

So did they just not read about the parts of the Bible where Jesus and the Apostles abolish the old law? Do they also not read what the Talmud says about Jesus? Seems like a weird flip-flopish religion for evangelicals of Jewish ethnicity.

[@jerrysullivan8424]

You still need to have a little better understanding f what a Messianic Jew believes. They do not use the Talmud and they understand Grace over works.

[@hellenicboi14]

@@jerrysullivan8424 But they use Jewish rituals and celebrations found in the Talmud and rely on works of the Jewish law for salvation despite Jesus specifically saying to set the old law aside.

[@Talancir]

@@hellenicboi14 Jesus did not specifically say he would set the law aside. That counts as "abolishing the Law," something he said that we should not even think he would do.

[@hellenicboi14]

@@Talancir Jesus says many times throughout the Bible that a man's holiness is not earned through works of the old covenant laws. The new covenant has outmoded the old, and it is no longer valid for salvation in Christian theology, so holding to it makes no sense.

[@Talancir]

@hellenicboi14 you're mostly correct: righteousness is indeed not earned through works and cannot be merited. The new covenant had indeed made the Sinai Covenant obsolete, and we who accept Jesus are members of God’s people under the terms of the new covenant. However, the Sinai Covenant never provided salvation, because the law did not justify. As well, holiness and righteousness are not the same. Righteousness equates to being justified, and holiness equates to being sanctified. The law does sanctify, but such sanctification does not bring justification. Being justified is effectively being sinless, and in our state we cannot be credited righteousness without our acceptance of Jesus' sacrifice as a propitiation for our sins.

[@michaelsage4599]

I thought that was Steve Carell in the thumbnail for this video. Lol😅

[@KingoftheJuice18]

"Messianic Judaism" is neither a form of Judaism, which is based on the Jewish Scriptures and Rabbinic Literature, nor Christianity, which is based on the Jewish Scriptures and the New Testament. Christians decided a long time ago that the practice of Judaism is not a part of their faith. And Jews never accepted Christian belief as legitimate worship of the God of Israel-certainly not for Jews.

[@Talancir]

...so?

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@Talancir Well, I'm suggesting that they are neither legitimate Christians nor legitimate Jews (I mean religiously; some could be Jewish by birth).

[@Talancir]

@@KingoftheJuice18 I'd say you're only partially right, if only because your suggestion is overly simple. Take me, for instance. As far as the basics go, I consider myself a Born Again Christian, and my walk of faith is Messianic Judaism. I have a gospel presentation typed up if you'd like to read it.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@Talancir I'm happy to discuss it right here on YT, if you're interested. Can you summarize why you embraced "Messianic Judaism" and why Mere Christianity (to coin a phrase😉 was not enough for you?

[@Talancir]

@@KingoftheJuice18 God called me back from my prodigal, backslidden ways in a seat of a Messianic Jewish synagogue. The first time I sinned after accepting His salvation, I thought I could never serve Him as He deserved, and sought to kill myself so that I would enter hell. I tried and failed to do so, and then after 9/11 happened, I joined the army so as to seek suicide by a Muslim. I threw myself at every sin I could stomach with the idea that I would provoke His wrath and kill me. I made it through a tour in South Korea, and then I made it through a tour in Iraq, surviving by God’s grace - though I couldn't recognize it for what it was at the time. There is a quote from Fight Club that I find very apt in retrospect, and it goes "Our fathers were our models for God." It's not fair to our King to equate our view of Him to our earthly fathers, especially when our fathers fail and abandon us. Yet that is inevitably some influence of how we try to conceptualize God, and that has been a driving force in my life: having never won the approval of my father, I sought approval from God and when I thought I couldn't ever get it, I thought my life was over. I hadn't thought to consider the depths of his love and forgiveness even in the midst of my stumbling, and He never gave up on me, even though I was like the prodigal son eating food with the livestock.

[@divineantiwokewarrior]

what happened to lebanon that was christian and open minded?

[@ianpardue2615]

I don't really see the point of messianic Judaism. Because it is built upon faulty theology. An example is that while St Paul clearly identified himself as Jewish by ancestry (Romans 11:1), when he talks about the Jews he sees them as a distinct religious people that doesn't include himself (I Thessalonians 2:14-16). I'll go through the faulty theology right now: (I) The Church is identified as Israel (Galatians 6:16; Ephesians 2:12). (II) The Temple of God is Jesus, the Church, and our bodies (John 2:19-21; I Corinthians 3:16; II Corinthians 6:16). (III) The Chosen people includes Gentiles, and is not limited to the Jews (Romans 4:13-25; Galatians 3:23-29). (IV) The Old Covenant has been fulfilled by the New, making the first one obsolete (Hebrews 8). (V) The Sabbath is not binding on Christians (John 5:18; Romans 14:5; Colossians 2:16-17). (VI) The dietary laws are not binding (I Corinthians 10:23-33; I Timothy 4:1-5). (VIII) The ceremonial law, including the feasts, is abrogated (Romans 14; Galatians; Colossians 2:16-17). (IX) Baptism is the new circumcision (Colossians 2:12-12). (X) The Lord's Supper is the new Passover (I Corinthians 5:7-8). (XI) Circumcision while allowable (Acts 16:1-3), is not necessary (Titus 2:3), and cannot be done for religious reasons (Acts 15). (XII) Romans 11 can't be read alone, and has to be read with Romans 8-10, specifically 9, which relates to the same subject. All of the above are the reasons that Jewish Christians in the past did not accept the Pauline Epistles as genuine, and had their own canons. Because the New Testament that we have today makes it clear that the Old Testament is fulfilled in Christ (Matthew 5:17), and that it doesn't matter what gender or colour that you are, what matters is that you've put your faith in Him (Galatians 3:28-29). The New Heavens and the New Earth will be composed of every colour under the sun (Revelation 7:9), people like St Patrick (white), St Moses the Black (Black), St Magalene of Nagasaki (Asian), St Kateri Tekakwitha (American Indian) and etc. There is no salvation outside of Christ, including for the Jews (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). That is the reality.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: This passage does not claim that all animals or meats are acceptable as food. It talks about meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving. So it talks about clean animals. This portion of scripture very much touches upon the doctrines of papacy.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. 27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. 28 But if any man say unto you, this is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: This is not claiming c that all meats are now clean. It is saying that it's ok to eat clean meats sacrificed to idols, as long as you don't ask/don't know.

[@geordiewishart1683]

You are confusing Jews with Israelites. Israel still has a place. Church is not now Israel. But discern who Israel actually is. It is not modern Jewry

[@ianpardue2615]

@@geordiewishart1683 Interpretative gymnastics that is devoid of the distinction between law and gospel (Galatians 3:23-29).

[@ianpardue2615]

@@geordiewishart1683 The Church is clearly Israel. The NT even says as much in Galatians 6:16.

[@annieboookhall]

Some of them came to Catholicism - we now call them Hebrew Catholics! They follow our same doctrine, but retained some Jewish cultural markers

[@user-zh5sv3op3n]

That’s really lovely I think

[@shahesfelazi8549]

Muslims believe that Jesus is the messiah, he is alive and living with God, he will return at the end of times to fulfill his role. He is Isa al Masih Ruhullah ibn Maryam Taharah, Jesus the Messiah, Spirit of God the Son of Mary the Pure.

[@briandiehl9257]

That true, but they deny Jesus in all the ways in matters in terms of Christianity

[@LibertarianPatriot]

It’s the whole Jesus not being God bit I’m not too fond of

[@briandiehl9257]

@@LibertarianPatriot And that they deny the death and resurrection

[@shahesfelazi8549]

Yeah Muslims believe in Jesus born of a Virgin Birth, he's soul is from the Spirit of God, but not the part where he is divine or is dead, we believe him to be alive, the part of him being tortured and crucified is up for debate, he was saved by God, brought to heaven and is now living beside God, he will return at the end of times to fulfill the role as the Messiah and the Saviour, bring peace on earth, save everyone kill the antichrist etc. Muslims just fall short of worshipping the man-god Jesus.

[@briandiehl9257]

@@shahesfelazi8549 And through this you have emptied Jesus of the reasons Christians call him the Savior and Messiah

[@thenewnationpodcast]

They're a 20th century denomination

[@charlieblocher7456]

If there are people who want to revive the ancient Ebionites, that's their prerogative, but you can't pretend that thousands of years of history didn't happen. There may have been time, in the early centuries of the Common Era, when something like Messianic Judaism might have become what we know of as Judaism today, but after centuries of the most significant divide between Jews and Christians being the acceptance of Christ and the Trinity, they're not Jews.

[@Talancir]

probably because in the eyes of the Jews, it's really hard to separate "Christianity" from "anti-semitism," of which there have been many such persecutions and pogroms. My own family had in the past had faced either conversion, or expulsion or death at the hands of the Catholic Monarchs of Spain, Isabella and Ferdinand. Condemnations of excessive Jewishness in Christian doctrine and practice resound in the writings of clergy as far back as John Chrysostom (c. 400 CE) and up to the present day. Such hostile attitudes helped drive a deep wedge between Christians and Jews, making integration between the two almost impossible and forcing a decision upon Jewish converts to Christianity that often resulted in the renunciation of their Jewish identity and culture, not to mention religion; those who would not renounce their identity and culture have been classically been labeled "Judaizers," even the use of the term in this way is far removed from its original usage. Sure, by the standard metrics of our time, we who are jews who follow Jesus are, for most peoples standards, Christian. However, Messianic Judaism is the preferred term for believers who consider themselves completely Jewish and completely Christian. Following Jesus does not necessarily mean we must abandon who we are. So sure, the baggage that exists which prevents many of us from carrying the title "Christian" as comfortably as our brothers on your side of the aisle, we are no more Jewish after being renewed in the spirit than others are Gentiles, for you have been called out from among the nations to be one of God’s treasured people.

[@TheStandardBearer]

All of God's words are valid forever! God gives us the wisdom we need to rightly divide His words and apply them correctly. Life is all about Jesus, He is the priority and center forever! Glory to Jehovah!

[@magnobraga4619]

It is just american invention. Like almolt all new and absurd trend in christianity.

[@BATRY-st1jp]

What is different muslin and jews?

[@salyluz6535]

Jews follow the One True God of the ‘Old Testament’ Hebrew Scriptures, the God of Creation, the King of the Universe! They are descendants of the Promises God made to Abraham in the book of Genesis, through Isaac and Jacob Israel. Muslims are a more recent deception, coming along about 5 centuries after the end of the New Testament period, and described in the warning found right at the end of the New Testament book of Revelations/Apocalypse. Muslims believe that the Jew’s and Christian’s Bible is corrupt, not God’s actual Word, and not accurate history. They believe that Mohammed replaces all previously written Scriptures, and they call the True Faith idolatry. Their “scriptures” steal some from the Bible, but they twist it terribly and insert many untruths. They believe that they are the ones who inherit God’s blessings promised to Abraham’s descendants through Isaac, the miraculous son of the promise! They allow many evil, violent and abusive things, which are contradictory to the teachings of Hebrew Scripture, and completely opposite to the teachings of Jesus.

[@PR1V1LE6ED]

Literally an oxymoron.

[@Caralaza]

You do realize Jesus and ALL His disciples were Jews, right? And that Saint Paul literally refers to himself as a Jew even after having converted?

[@litigioussociety4249]

Only by today's standard. In the first century, Christians were Jews who believed Jesus was the Messiah. It's only due to Jews calling Christians Christians that the name Jew only continued to be used by those who reject Jesus as the Messiah. The oxymoron is the unwillingness for Messianic Jews to call themselves Christians when they are equally defined as Christians by modern Jews.

[@PR1V1LE6ED]

@@Caralaza not talking about the ethnicity, not sure why you assumed that. And yeah, they called themselves christians and followed the new testiment, which messianic Jews reject doing yet say Jesus Christ is the Messiah, therefore an oxymoron.

[@PR1V1LE6ED]

@@litigioussociety4249 agreed

[@Caralaza]

@@PR1V1LE6ED I didn't assume anything, YOU did. Why would I mention Paul calling himself a Jew after converting if I was talking purely about ethnicity? You can't change ethnicity, so such an argument would be nonsensical. In the entirety of the Bible, not one of them refers to himself as a "Christian". The word only appears thrice. So no, there is no apostolic precedent for Jewish believers to refer to themselves as "Christians". The New Testament wasn't compiled in the life time of the Apostles, so your statement is incredible anachronistic. "For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision." - Romans 2:25 Saint Augustine of Hippo's commentary on the verse: "The apostle did not say this as if he favored forcing either the Gentiles to remain uncircumcised or the Jews not to adhere to the traditions of their fathers. Rather, he urged that neither group should be forced into the practice of the other but that each person should have the right, not the obligation, to adhere to his own custom."

[@truthorhappiness]

“In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. - James 2:17 Its not that we should feel forced to follow the law, but we should feel compelled by the Holy Spirit. This applies to all christians!