METAL FRAMING BOX HEADER

METAL FRAMING

[@derrickmakara1230]

another tip that isnt really for the framing itself. buy colored sharpies. black ones run out one week after u buy it. had a green one for like half a year and the only reason i chucked it was bc the felt tip was mangled. still worked if u used it at a 90 degree angle tho LOL

[@jsanchez3162]

Derrick Makara Good point

[@FiscalWoofer]

Wish you were in London, UK for work! Fast high quality work done to a great standard and no cutting corners! Excellent video thank you!

[@jsanchez3162]

FiscalWoofer Thank you! That is just one of the lessons we offer as union carpenters in the states

[@josesantoscampos3462]

Thanks it's been a long time that ice done metal studs 1985 to b exact . Thanks for the glad back I was hearing the plumbers , electricians ,drywallers as I was watching the video. Good memories to cherish of all those hard working people.

[@MICLANTECUTLI]

Good job brother nice to see someone out there that knows what he's doing. Been framing myself for 20 years. I got my Contractors License C9 now .But this brings me back good memories

[@JohnSmendrovac]

20 years is nothing that's just the beginning u need 45 years before you are really good 👍

[@MICLANTECUTLI]

@@JohnSmendrovac I'm actually getting my General B license now so yeah it is nothing to just have a C9. But that's why you gotta keep feeding your mind. I don't look at the years anymore. I look at all the trades now and you should know it's a whole nother level to be a General B.

[@MICLANTECUTLI]

These are all non load bearing walls. The header in this video is for the purpose of carrying the weight of the door. And is attached to 2 king studs as opposed to being supported by trimmers in wood framing. Usually you'll have a Hvac return at the top of the door. Depending on your cubic feet of air and square footage of occupation people per room will depend on your BTU cubic feet of air youll have a minimum of 70 square feet per room according to CBC.The Interrior door will have 2 hinges and an 1/2" threshold minimum ADA requirements,weather striping would be for exterior doors with 1/2" threshold for ADA and a fire solid doors 1 3/8" thick solid with 1/2" at the bottom of the the door between the finish floor.The door in this video would be a 3'0 wich is a minimum ADA compliant for someone with a disability and the opening would be 37 1/2" Timely door.This as opposed to a residential Interrior door wich also has 2 hinges. Exterior doors have usually 3 hinges and are considered 20 minute fire doors and usually solid. In wood framing the header would be there to actually hold the weight of the floor or joists, trusses, ect above it. And also in wood the trimmer studs would hold the weight of the header wich for a 3'0 opening would get a double 4x4 header. This type of framing though is considered a finish stick framing made from galvanized steel wich is more expensive and doesn't burn or rot as the wood studs would.Usually you frame these walls standing up as opposed to framing flat on the floor. The down side is it only acts as a partitions and not as strong as a bearing wall and it's used for tenant improvement. Usually 20 guage galvanized steel it can be 16 or 24 on center with drywall pannels 4x8 or higher screwd off at 12 in field and 8 in perimeter depending on the fire rating and if it acts as a fire wall.If it's not fire rated you can go 12" screw offs in perimeter these dry wall panels get 1-1/4" screws. Usually the insulation is R22 for a fire rating hence the R value in it. The Taping usually a level 5 the first being a joint compound with a fire retarder adhesive and tape over joints. Mainly the attachments for these walls are found in your Structural blue prints. And would be 45 degrees angle bracing attached to a metal decking. And the anchor pins would be a minimum of spacing of 16" inches depending on the plans. Anchor bolts in bearing walls are usually a minimum of every 6 inches.These walls are all anchored with a powder actuated tools. But see now giving you too much game bro. I could go on and on schooling you but the game is to be sold not told.Oh but I will just add on more thing you'll have a light switch 48" from the floor right beside the door. Usually the AWG would be a Metallic Tubing or S4 box. Usually 14 guage wire @120 volts and 15 amps. Depending on your outlets in the room you'll they'll be 18" off the floor and a minimum of 12' apart in spacing. With one of the outlets being 24" away from the wall. Usually they are would be @ 8 Ohms for resistance value 120 divided by 15 =8. If it's a bathroom it will have a minimum of 40 lumens of light. And the water closet will have a minimum of 2" vent. For your sinks if it's a handy cap ADA sink it will be 34 " off the floor with lever faucets and wrapped pipes underneath. And the water closet would have a minimum of 48" from toilet to the sink and a minimum of 12" x 18" from a corner wall.. Oh and last but not least your drywall is a Green board in bathrooms. If your going to be installing tile you'll most likely use dureock with a thin set for joints. The tile wich you don't need an inspection unless you have 2500 psi only in concreat and you would need a slump test for slab.Morter has a minimum of 2000 psi. The bathroom also has to have a fart fan to remove condensation and moisture. And it's usually connected to the light switch only in bathrooms were there is a shower.

[@MICLANTECUTLI]

@@JohnSmendrovac I wrote the following passage for you since you think you need 40 years to do metal framing and drywall. So feel free to tell me your thoughts on what I wrote. And let me know if you think I'm qualified enough after only 20 years and not 40.

[@sami220990]

Nice Job! we need more videos like this... that shows an explicit way of making a box header.

[@aliirfan572]

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[@AndTodaysProjectIs]

Enjoyed the video Jose. I'm just a DIY kinda guy and am in need of exactly this instruction for a pantry door addition in a wall. The flimsy single 2x4 header was concerning me even though this will just be a cheap-o 28x80 door. I like the box header concept for this remodel so thank you for posting.

[@luisechevarria6930]

NO DONT USE BOX HEADER FOR WOOD FRAMING JUST USE 5/8 PLYWOOD AND SANDWICH WITH 2X8

[@AndTodaysProjectIs]

@@luisechevarria6930 thanks for the warning. I misspoke in my comment when I said 2x4. This is a 100% steel stud configuration I'm working with. I ended up just doing a standard steel header using c channel and I bent a 9in section to screw in vertically. So basically the header looks like a large letter u with nine in legs left and right side screwed into the vertical left and right framing supports.

[@luisechevarria6930]

@@AndTodaysProjectIs ohhhh ok brother then u good sounds like a beautiful job thoe 👌

[@AMindInOverdrive]

Interesting! I've been seeing them drawn on plans using the top track of the box turned in towards the centre of the box and a third track on top facing upwards to receive the studs above (e.g. you use 3 tracks.) But your method of upturning the top track of the box, actually saves one track (using only 2 tracks) plus a little less labour. That's pretty neat

[@williamflamenco5059]

Both ways are correct 3 tracks is obviously sturdier make sure to check the framing details it will specify whether to use 2 or 3 pieces

[@ajizum82]

Sometimes 3 tracks for structural if it's spec'ed that way but I've done both. Interior you don't have to really.

[@J8n3eyr3]

I would love to see more of these videos - and closeups of how the joists and joins look!

[@ConstructionKronies]

Check this video out kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWiplWSwe6idrdU

[@robertdematolo760]

A good video, wouldn't mind to see the earlier videos when you started the metal stud construction to learn more of your awesome tips.

[@joshduhon6550]

Get a job and learn. You can't learn a trade on KZbin

[@savadious]

Thanks for sharing ! Great review for anyone before getting a project done

[@charleswallin9174]

Thank you for teaching this. Awesome job.

[@jsanchez3162]

Charles Wallin You’re welcome and... Thank you. This was just for an assignment to start with. There are hundreds of lessons like this in carpenters apprenticeship training centers all around the country and Canada! Check one out!

[@marcelplathe4251]

Nice job Sanchez, The only thing I would recommend to you is that go to a plastic square you eliminate all the noise. I see you don't have any ear plugs in so safety first

[@BustedLeaf]

Great video. I subscribed to your channel. Pls post a video of building a shed floor from using steel instead of wood.

[@luisechevarria6930]

With steel you need a steel frame or plywood over the trusts in order for you to actually do metal floor

[@lazarodubrocq5565]

Please post more videos, you’re very informative and professional

[@jsanchez3162]

Thank you very much! This was just an assignment as a new instructor. Please look into getting into one of our carpenter apprenticeship schools in your area.

[@bugzyvalentino5762]

@@jsanchez3162 are you from new York if so can you message me back thanks buddy

[@WillPogue]

Starting a metal framing job soon. Every time he threw a trash piece of metal stud on the ground I though “I’m going to be the guy who has to pick that up later.” 😂

[@luisechevarria6930]

Lmfao so ur labor?

[@nelsonagustin3217]

Sanchez thanks u very much for classes God bless you

[@motherfudger6664]

I've been curious about metal framing for a while, glad I finally thought to look it up on KZbin.

[@jsanchez672]

Rough opening for knockdown frames are the door size plus 1” on each side. It is for a knockdown frame. I typically have a rough opening at 40 1/4” For a 36” door to get a welded frame .

[@vljenkins80]

Good job

[@og_bobby_light96]

Local 279 apprentice here, dope vid man

[@jsanchez3162]

Jose Rodriguez Appreciate the comment brother!

[@thedrunkenpilot]

damn you only have the one video : / i was ready to watch the whole process from the beginning.

[@commsec110]

Excellent... thanks for that.

[@vbBegin1957]

Hi there brother should continue these videos for reference other installation

[@khalifasarr9125]

Nice josé we need more videos about layout

[@jsanchez672]

thank you, I'll try. Extremely busy with the school. I'll have more in the future though

[@mattb8961]

Good instructional video. If I was you I’d toss those Wiss snips into the dumpster and get Midwest bullnose Lefts or straights.

[@gwot]

I'll be using metal for my house from now on, all the woods at my local store are crooked, so sick of dealing with bent and twisted lumber.

[@leochen4891]

This is an excellent tutorial.

[@jsanchez3162]

Lei Chen Thank you

[@leochen4891]

@@jsanchez3162 it would be great if you can share more metal stud framing videos.

[@michaelwalling8281]

awesome tutorial Jose! The standard method seems weak for a load bearing wall. Your box frame method is much better. I would be incline to get some 8" or 6" studs for the box header. Overkill?

[@jsanchez3162]

Michael Walling I would just use a heavier gauge stud if needed. Usually exterior walls will be heavy gauge 6”

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[@aliabdulwahed1185]

You are the king of stud

[@Rodskrrt]

Sir you should post most great vid

[@jsanchez3162]

Rodrigo Lopez Thank you. It was originally intended for an assignment that I had.

[@hassanchavez6423]

Niiice 👍

[@anthonycoluccio2957]

If the door is 3'0"× 6'8" why is the rough opening 6'10 1/2" × 38"? Shouldn't the RO be 6' 10 1/2 × 40 1/4 to allow for the 2" "trim" on both sides of the frame? The head was framed to receive a welded frame and the jamb was framed for a KD (knock down) frame.

[@jsanchez3162]

Anthony Coluccio You are correct. I did this video quick for an assignment . It was a knockdown frame which should have been 6’-9”

[@anthonycoluccio2957]

Good video brother

[@thekinginyellow1744]

You could still have put a shoe on the bottom track to give it a bit more strength.

[@lisbethpena1397]

Hey my Friend! it's not recommended to move the laser from position when is ON. First you need to lock the pendulum turning it off, so you don't decalibrate the tool. Also, when you are working with metal framing is strictly recommended to use gloves because the studs are really sharp. Best regards!

[@aliirfan572]

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[@joshduhon6550]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaahha

[@ChrisSmith-nr8wh]

Dude where is the start of the build? Good work.

[@jsanchez3162]

Chris Smith thank you. This was just an assignment of mine.

[@redneckways1617]

Could have made the cuts and attachment points a little different and nearly doubled the strength

[@thejourneytoheaven2069]

So the header doesn't need a level set on top or magnetic torpedo on bottom? Or we are just going with what the laser line?

[@jsanchez3162]

Go with the laser line

[@ken_9359]

What type and brand of clamps did you use. Now I know what a box header is. Great video.

[@jsanchez3162]

Milwaukee is the brand that I like to use for metal framing clamps.

[@brilog69]

Are those 20 Gauge studs?

[@tonydeleo3642]

That makes a stout header!!

[@armandolopez-fb7vz]

Ey José wich of sniip cutters SIDE You use the most?

[@kempbrandon1]

Great video! Personal technique and craftmanship! Can top track for the boxed header be facing downward?

[@jsanchez672]

yes you can have the box header facing down. I typically face it down when i have a long run that the studs cannot go from the floor to the ceiling. ie. ductwork

[@joseochoa8517]

Hey Jose I have a question what will be the Right. gauge of metal studs To build a small room on residential thanks Great video bro

[@ConstructionKronies]

Hey there my man, check this video out kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWiplWSwe6idrdU

[@luisechevarria6930]

You frame exactly like me but the cripples you follow layout correct?

[@jsanchez3162]

I do.

[@24mamba]

Good idea

[@juanortiz674]

Thanks for the tip 👍👍

[@robertprowitt7004]

This guy needs a lesson himself

[@0714will]

😆

[@asinger261]

How big of an opening can you have in a non load bearing partition wall with those metal studs? With 6' of drywall above the opening.

[@luisechevarria6930]

That is why you need the cripples the cripples are so the joint of the drywall don't overlap or look loose so inspection won't fuq

[@UhMusingArt]

@@luisechevarria6930 @Aaron Singer Did you ever get an answer? It looks like some responses were deleted.

[@iiMungo]

Thanks great video

[@jsanchez672]

thank you!

[@jsl3562]

What’s the name of the tool you use to cut the metal frame?

[@olivialewis7402]

Snips

[@panthers7775]

faster way to cut ur track just take ur speed square on the lip side of the track use ur snips cut. fold over then measure ur number then measure 2 or 3 inches and cut. take ur speed square cut the track then cut ur measurement and fold up faster then marking it with a marker.

[@chrisjohnson271]

That doesnt sound that much faster

[@anthonytamayo4015]

Instead of cutting tongues we use 4 clips to hold up the box header

[@bigdaddykane730mob3]

Local 805 gold coast carpenters all day

[@KumaDormilon]

The lack of gloves is troublesome, but great vid

[@johnnygarv]

Hey man thanks for vid, Does metal framing not have to span from structure to structure?

[@lucio20006]

Definitely. Everything will span at certain point. Please look up heights limiting for metal studs on google.

[@Oh-gz2je]

Great video . Have you ever tried using the red handle Midwest snips? I as well used to use the yellow snips. Until I tried the Midwest red handle. Truly best snips out for metal stud framing

[@jsanchez3162]

Oh 510 I have used different types of snips over the years. Yellow Wiss work the best for me

[@joshduhon6550]

Midwest snips are like the craftsmen ones, trash

[@dad2liam]

where did you get those clamps ??????

[@chuyflorez2505]

Nice deal

[@JohnSmendrovac]

Always use a square

[@dnamtz5321]

es lo mismo en heavy gauge metal?

[@joshuabartley656]

Just come across your video. I live in NC where is the closest carpentry union for me

[@jsanchez3162]

Joshua Bartley Local 312 Contact: Randy Jenkins 541 Tom Everhart Road Lexington, NC 27292 Phone: [phone] Fax: [phone] Email: [e-mail] Jurisdiction: North Carolina: Alamance, Alexander, Alleghany, Anson, Beaufort, Bladen, Brunswick, Buncombe, Burke, Cabarrus, Caldwell, Carteret, Caswell, Catawba, Chatham, Chowan, Clay, Cleveland, Columbus, Craven, Cumberland, Dare, Davidson, Davie, Duplin, Durham, Edgecombe, Forsyth, Franklin, Gaston, Granville, Greene, Guilford, Halifax, Harnett, Henderson, Hoke, Hyde, Iredell, Jackson, Johnston, Jones, Lee, Lenoir, Lincoln, McDowell, Macon, Martin, Mecklenburg, Montgomery, Moore, Nash, New Hanover, Onslow, Orange, Pamlico, Pender, Person, Pitt, Polk, Randolph, Richmond, Robeson, Rockingham, Rowan, Rutherford, Sampson, Scotland, Stanly, Stokes, Surry, Transylvania, Tyrrell, Union, Vance, Wake, Warren, Washington, Wayne, Wilkes, Wilson, Yadkin counties.

[@joshuabartley656]

Thanks

[@Gimideldiezmo]

Hey José cuál es la manera correcta de hacer un soffit porque muchos fraimeros dejan pasados los studs y después los cortan o es mejor tomar una sólo medida y ir poniendo uno ala mitad y sacar nivel?

[@jsanchez3162]

Luis. when I build soffits, I cut a common stud length past my rough framing Line. Next, I attach a stiff back (a horizontal stud attached to the back of the soffit) to hold my layout of my vertical studs. After all studs are hanging on layout, I set up a laser to the rough framing line and cut the studs just short of that line.

[@nicolasmartin7661]

Shuuuuuuu

[@lisbethpena1397]

Hola Luis. No existe un "metodo" correcto como tal. Puedes colocar tu laser a la altura indicada y una vez que hagas tu layout en el track superior vas midiendo con el tape la distancia desde el track hasta la linea del laser y vas cortando tus metales (Recuerda que debes cortarlos 1/8 o 1/4 de pulgada mas pequenos que la distancia que mediste porque al colocar el track inferior la distancia aumenta un poco. Tambien puedes ponerlos todos un poco mas largos que la medida del laser y al final cortas cada uno a la medida deseada. Ambos metodos funcionan. Saludos!

[@Bmywudt2]

What do you use to screw metal frame into the concrete floor? and what screw do you use to screw the frames in general?

[@ricardomontes4940]

Benjamin Mensah usually you tack them down with a powder actuated tool (shotgun)using concrete pins. Sometimes it calls for anchor bolts. Screws used for cramming are either number ten or eight pan heads

[@bobbydoo5780]

U can use mushrooms ..

[@sorehair7075]

hilti 351 0r Trac fast

[@curtis6252]

Please drill and use Tapcon screws or something similar to this to fasten your door frame. Don't listen to people saying to shoot it down with pins. They are no where near as solid.

[@TONY-nl6yv]

Great vid even if it’s not a load would inspector s would like to see the box instead of just a traditional track above door I like the box it looks more professional

[@brandonkelley2989]

where is your gloves though??

[@sandracorral5959]

QUE ONDA???? como que nada mas un video? existen cosas que tal vez piensas que son SUPER BÁSICAS que alguien mas NO SABE!!!... deberias hacer uno de como comenzar el farming. como levantar una pared. etc... POR FAVOR!

[@jsanchez3162]

Sandra Corral You should join the carpenters union in your area. There is a great apprenticeship around you most likely. This is just one lesson. The carpenters have a 4 year program all across the U.S. and Canada. They can teach you all different aspects of carpentry to have skills for the rest of your life!

[@fishcakesticks]

hello, i just wanna know what screws you used? is it tek screws??? thanks!

[@luisechevarria6930]

No heused wafer selfs think idk thats what I would

[@freedomwatchdog2495]

Also, why screw those "tabs" on the outside to hold the box ...? Attach in the king studs so nothing pushes out on the drywall ...? Why screw into that 1 1/4 flange ... where the drywall goes? That's 20 gauge metal? Like tin foil ... 14 - 18 guage that tab move would never fly ... too thick and would push the drywall out ... use a piece of track inside the King stud on either side to hold the box ...?

[@jsanchez3162]

Freedom WatchDog I like it this way with the tabs. If I add a “track clip” it sticks out further. Nobody that I know of likes hanging board on that . I’ve seen it done both ways. I’ve hung tons of board though and would not want to make it more difficult for the person following me. Not saying your way is wrong, I definitely like my way better though

[@jsanchez3162]

With heavy gauge framing I would use clips since hex heads stick out. Not the case with pan heads.

[@freedomwatchdog2495]

@@jsanchez3162 Not a bad point ...

[@RIZZO79]

45' those cuts better for strength

[@tsyhll]

Would be better if you have a mic. Hard to hear what you say. Video is good still.

[@tomdamon7208]

Say brother , Local 424 here

[@ignacioarteaga8932]

If you do it the first way and bend the ends than you will build, build up, and your door may not fit

[@jaycalgary7]

Thanks J

[@earthishome1866]

When and why you used Metal studs over Wood Studs?

[@curtis6252]

Some quick points: it’s faster, more accurate, higher sound rating, fire rating, less mess, no rot, no warping, among other things

[@eleuteriolopez9910]

How to put a block to hung a tv or a sink in bathroom

[@AaronPetterborg]

Holy swears this vid is useful

[@jsanchez672]

thank you, I try

[@streetplatoon562]

LAKEWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD !

[@730mob]

Never look at the gun while you put a screw on the impact.

[@730mob]

@Mrterminator120 its makes you screw off faster like if your doing drywall try it out.

[@catalinajimenez5635]

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[@louis3998]

What happen to the rest of the videos?

[@chrisgrandpre6063]

Is this apprenticeship school in milbury mass?

[@jsanchez3162]

This is at our old school in mason Michigan. It was just an assignment for me as a new instructor

[@titusfrankpatrick]

Not gloves,??

[@balloney2175]

Can you just cut it like that? Seems like it is not so strong and a hurricane would love to victimize the structure.

[@Goosetavula]

This is light gauge metal only for interiors.

[@stevenordonez3259]

Hey bro keep our union knowledge in the union. You’re exposing our knowledge.

[@borabora7870]

what is the thickness of the profile ?

[@lucio20006]

Looks like 25ga.

[@doorswinger2595]

what a save at 1440

[@lanceo3o388]

Hey Brother !!!!

[@jsanchez3162]

robert mclaughlin Hey brother Robert! What local are you from?

[@armandolopez-fb7vz]

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[@carleshicks]

Your English is amazing.

[@2uned08]

Local 635

[@migueldeleon5552]

Put some gloves on bro

[@eliseomartinez5366]

Sanchez para los habla español please hable en español

[@josefranco1612]

If you help me a small project. I could pay you. Let me know, thank you.

[@730mob]

Carpenters local 805 Ventura county

[@balloney2175]

Please redo the video showing a closer look at what you are doing. The cameraman is lazy to move a lot.

[@freedomwatchdog2495]

Bring the screw to the gun not the other way around ... and we call those "tongues," not "tabs ...."

[@SergioVelasquez1]

where is your PPE?

[@jsanchez3162]

Sergio Velasquez Good call Those are actually safety glasses, not stunna shades

[@KBurd49]

Metal is very sharp. Gloves too :) amazing video! 🤘🤘

[@chasych7575]

No updates

[@georgemelo5326]

Only one video :(

[@jsanchez3162]

george melo It was just for an assignment that I had to do. One take on this. Hopefully I’ve gotten better over the last year and a half since I made this

[@bigears4426]

Meanwhile larry haun has built the house