Was Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes Really THAT Bad?

[@Devilsblight86]

According to David Hayter, Snake himself, the reason why they re-recorded the dialogue was because the GameCube's audio system was more advanced than the PlayStation's and they had originally recorded the dialogue in an apartment instead of a soundproof room. If they had used the original audio, we would have heard all the traffic that was going on back then.

[@JayShootHer]

That bs and you know it.

[@raikouija663]

Something tells me for the MGS1 remake after Delta we’re gonna get an entirely re-recorded script if the original dialogue isn’t good enough still

[@filipeflower]

That's weird, because I have all the voice clips from the original audio and I didn't hear any traffic.

[@Devilsblight86]

@@filipeflower It's what he said. There are archived podcasts that you can find on the Metal Gear wiki where he's mentioned it. I would link it myself, but KZbin has a problem with that and automatically deletes any comments that provide links.

[@filipeflower]

@@Devilsblight86 Can you at least name the place where you found those links?

[@deshelly_athetos]

its time to talk about the Legacy of Kain Series mate

[@allenadlsjkasd]

I wish the PC ports of those games weren't so... mediocre at best

[@plazzy9911]

Soon

[@deshelly_athetos]

​@@allenadlsjkasd I mean that's why emulators exist :) But with a lot of optimization you can make PC ports work

[@iRemainNameless]

YourFavouriteSon did a terrific job on the entire series. You HAVE to check it out if you're a fan.

[@paranoyd70]

I concur. Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen doesn't get the love & accolades that it deserves, imho. And another PS1 game that gets even less love is the game, "Project Overkill", which was bloody & gory long before it became popular. And it was made by Konami.

[@Arthus850]

The Twin Snakes was my first exposure to MGS1. I’ve since played the original and loved it, but The Twin Snakes still holds a special place in my heart to the point it’s my go to version. I guess it depends on which one holds more nostalgia for you.

[@WllKiedSnake]

I just think both a great! Twin Snakes is a alternative version to the original. And it's pretty good!

[@bigman88george3]

Same here.

[@slapbass9125]

Same, and I think it made me more prepared foe the wackiness of MGS2

[@gburns9222]

Truth

[@Arthus850]

@@Stinkyremy wait, you don’t like MGS3? That’s considered one of if not the best in the series by most.

[@TeddyOnTheSpot]

As far as I’ve been concerned, the original MGS is still a perfectly viable option to experience the story of the first game. I do hope Twin Snakes gets released on a modern platform, though. If only for the sake of it not being stuck on the purple lunchbox for the rest of time.

[@Jose-se9pu]

MGS1 aged like milk, is the reason why fans demanded a remake just 5 years after it came out.

[@wayn3h]

@@Jose-se9pu each to their own. I still find the original perfectly playable.

[@nickm5419]

@@Jose-se9pu Nah fuck that; the OG voice acting ABSOLUTELY holds up. that gravel in the Colnel's voice is 100x grain sandpaper and its fucking fire

[@gregoryberrycone]

"a perfectly viable option" more like the definitive way to play it always and forever. Anyone who thinks MGS1 has aged badly is a complete moron and/or a graphics whore. I still like twin snakes for what it is, but it was never a real replacement for the original game. i still wouldn't mind another remake if they kept the original games voice acting and cut scene direction more or less in tact but its in no way needed

[@Datura..]

you can buy mgs 1-3 on ps4 now, although heard the mgs 1 port was sub par

[@VertexTuner]

What some people seem to forget is that these cutscenes were at Kojima's request. Kitamura had done faithful recreations of the original cinematics but Kojima wasn't happy since he hired Kitamura for his style of movie making (over the top action movies, specifically the film Versus). Edit (post GmanLives reply): i reiterated your statement because of the people who still to this day state that The Twin Snakes ignores Kojima's 'vision' for what MGS1 should be. I've changed 'everyone' to 'some people' to better reflect this. No, it's not a defence of the changes, but a reply to an argument I've heard so many times.

[@WllKiedSnake]

Kojima also kept these changes for the MGS Digital Graphic Novels. Those are even more wild and go off script.

[@EmilyKimMartin]

The original MGS1 wasn't wilder simply because of technical limitations. All of its sequels show that Kojima embraced the crazy shit whenever he had the chance lol

[@SolidSnake240]

​@@EmilyKimMartinYet in MGS2 we didn't have Snake doing all the flipping and dipping he was doing in Twin Snakes. You're excise is weak. Even Raiden wasn't doing that stuff until MGS4 and it made sense there cuz of his new body. It was too over the top in Twin Snakes and the constant use of Matrix style slo mo didn't help. It was cool when I was like 12 back when it came out but recent playthroughs, I see why people have issues with it. With all that said, I still love this game.

[@EmilyKimMartin]

@@SolidSnake240 Oh, no, MGS2 had nothing wacky, only a bisexual vampire man running on water and jumping all around, a bald fat guy zooming around on rollerskates, old gunslinger guy being possessed by a ghost through his arm, blonde twink doing nude cartwheels before slicing everyone with a katana and defeating 20 Metal Gear RAYs in a row in a digital limbo, Doctor Octopus president doing crazy stuff on a harrier... Definitely a very grounded game. And I'm sure MGS3 with electricity man and the Cobra Unit is equally as grounded. Twin Snakes is the only game to go over the top!

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@SolidSnake240 Twin Snakes was made after MGS2.

[@smithwesson1896]

16:32 Too late, you already mentioned Rising, you have to review it now.

[@WllKiedSnake]

It's also a sequel to MGS4.

[@filipeflower]

@@WllKiedSnake Not an obligatory sequel.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@filipeflower I think it is. It's set after MGS4, and Sunny is even in it. It fills in some plot elements also.

[@filipeflower]

@@WllKiedSnake But was it made it with Hideo Kojima's consempt?

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@filipeflower He was a producer on it.

[@beowulf848]

Rob Paulson was also the voice of Raphael in the OG TMNT, so he already had plenty of experience voicing a ninja 😂

[@adamcadwell4560]

And Cam Clarke (Liquid) did the voice of Leonardo

[@quinnmarchese6313]

im sorry but now i will never not picture Carl Weezer when he shows up (since Rob Paulson was Carl)

[@Z-Mikes00]

no disrespect to eagles but paulson i feel was a better fit for fox.

[@Rschr101]

Yea, a little too Raph.

[@Chablar89]

His name is Robert Paulsen

[@YoDzOnHalo]

People say this was the first version of MGS 1 to have FPS view but that’s wrong. It was in MGS Integral

[@quinnmarchese6313]

and in integral which was also the original PC version, you could actually walk around too

[@arrmigliato]

@@quinnmarchese6313 you could in the PS1 version of Integral too

[@quinnmarchese6313]

@@arrmigliato that's what I said, integral is also the PC version

[@arrmigliato]

@@quinnmarchese6313 yeah i misinterpreted the comment :)

[@filipeflower]

Not only that, but the Beta version of MGS 1 also had FPS view for shooting and running, until it was removed later on.

[@Sciencef1ction]

“Crawled in through the second floor vent near the helipad by the hanger” guilty of said maneuver

[@WllKiedSnake]

I've used both paths.

[@n64fan60]

​@WllKiedSnake I bet you have.. 😉

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@n64fan60 Yeah! I've played the original and Twin Snakes multiple times. I still have Twin Snakes. The PAL Greatest Hits version where they improved on things people had issues with.

[@kevinmajorca]

@@n64fan60 Lucky guy. 😂

[@TurboNutterBastard]

@@WllKiedSnake Whoosh

[@theallaroundnerd9889]

Saw a theory that MGS1 on playstation is the real events that occur on Shadow Moses while Twin Snakes is an exaggerated story used for VR training purposes for Raiden. One of the pieces of "evidence" people used for this is that one of the weird prisms you'd see in like target practice VR Training missions is hidden near the top of Rex's hanger and you can see it in first person view. It also makes a bit of sense considering Raiden mentions the loads of VR, I seem to recall he said he did VR training of the Shadow Moses incedent, and it kinds takes the place of Ghost Babel which drops that bombshell on you at the end too.

[@WllKiedSnake]

You should see the MGS Digital Graphic Novels. They are Twin Snakes but even more wacky!

[@SuperMikeFender]

I never knew about the prism. Can I see this somewhere? Tried googling

[@jiggycalzone8585]

​@@SuperMikeFenderseconded. Bit of a smoking gun if true

[@markhynes1230]

@@jiggycalzone8585 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpi8fGecmr-gZtEsi=oHQibC5Bp9--Xg51

[@3nder990]

@@SuperMikeFender you can spot it on the Metal Gear Rex hangar, after you overhear the conversation between Liquid and Ocelot, you need to go in first person view and its on the upper left corner, if i recall correctly

[@jiggycalzone8585]

Nothing can replicate the cold, dark, almost mechanical atmosphere of the original ps1 classic

[@bigman88george3]

That same cold, dark mechanical atmosphere is still replicated in twin snakes

[@jiggycalzone8585]

@@bigman88george3 no not quite Parts of it sure but it's betrayed by the more mgs2 bombastic anime qualities. The original mgs was deep into cold War spy thriller

[@kristoffer8609]

@@bigman88george3 Nope. Twin Snakes shares most of its atmosphere with MGS2. Which just isn't the same or fitting.

[@Cernunn0s90]

@@bigman88george3 Not even close. Twin Snakes absolutely fails to recreate that atmosphere, through visuals, voice acting, direction and music.

[@VergilHiltsLT]

@@bigman88george3 It's not. The lighting, colour palette, texture design, everything is different in Twin Snakes. The voice acting and cinematography is also top notch in the original, Twin Snakes is an inferior game.

[@Pendy13131]

Snake cartwheel flipping around the doorframe is insane and will forever live rent free in my head

[@manwithballsonarm6775]

That's the only way to do it

[@JJuiicceee]

😂😂

[@filipeflower]

@@manwithballsonarm6775 Not standing still in front of the door.

[@KooL_D]

*gman in 20 years* "But first I have to shout out today's sponsor, Viagra! If you want a full review, ask your mom...."

[@JimmyPizzaDelivery]

"Rise and Shine, Gordon Freeman, *RISE* and SHINE."

[@Axle0Bullitt019]

You know the Tranq M9 would have been a great new game plus unlock. Keeping the first play though truer to the original while expanding options with replays like the Bandanna and Stealth camo.

[@Gggmanlives]

Agreed.

[@SecondNature361]

The twin snakes took my metal gear virginity. I never knew of the series then. It took me years to play the original ps1 game, which I didn’t even know it was a remake of. When I played the original I hated it. But eventually when I became a more skilled player, it grew on me and I love em both equally. That’s my story

[@Solid-Old]

Good one

[@SolidSnake240]

One thing I did like about TTS is that the bosses all had unique boss fight themes. Cyborg Ninja is by far my favorite track in the game.

[@crownlessking6628]

*Even* in rising you are grounded, in its own context. Yes, Raiden can cut trough tank and run on the walls. But things all the bosses do? Summon army of small robots, telekinesis or well, being a robotic T-Rex. Snake is John Mclane fighting X-men, Raiden is Batman fighting Kriptonians.

[@AstOnokGaming]

I honestly believe it's like asking someone what the best Zelda game is. The answer is usually "which one did you play first"

[@santiagomoralesgarcia1802]

I player ALTTP first, also recognize why Ocarina of time is the best game ever by the media, but for me Majora's Mask is still my favorite game ever made.

[@WH250398]

How young you were is also a huge factor. Nostalgia does a lot.

[@WllKiedSnake]

A lot of people say Twilight Princess these days. I really like Majora's Mask or Wind Waker.

[@Slappaccino]

​@@WllKiedSnake same for WW. I started with the original in like '91-'92 but WW is by far my favorite.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@Slappaccino I would buy a Ocarina of Time HD and Majora's Mask HD for Switch in a heartbeat or a port of Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD also. Just because they are good games that should be on a more accessible system.

[@Zelix678]

Fun fact; the song "best is yet to come" the language of the lyrics is gaeilge, singer is Irish.

[@BLACULA-Skeewoah]

The language is Irish, not gaelic

[@Zelix678]

@@BLACULA-Skeewoah Gaeilge is the name of the irish language in irish. But i misspelled it in my first comment, that's on me.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

The gray fox hallway scene wasn’t necessary I agree…. But man it’s still cool as fuck on its own

[@WllKiedSnake]

It's such a cool version of the scene!

[@thepickles8833]

They wanted to add something different to separate it from the original, but wow, these cutscenes are ripe with: "We just saw Matrix Reloaded and our sugar rush needs an outlet!!"

[@jamescm38]

Any extra over the top Gray Fox scene was welcomed.

[@SolidSnake240]

Yea they just overdid it with the slo-mo stuff.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@SolidSnake240 It's more in line with all the other MGS games after MGS1.

[@Majuular]

Twin Snakes' cutscene direction always seemed to take after MGS2s. The thing is, the reason why Raiden does ridiculous action movie flips is because he's a soldier who was trained virtually. His concept of war is disconnected from reality, so he DOES see battle as an over-the-top action movie, or a video game. The villains in MGS2 can perform superhuman feats because they essentially have access to magic in the form of technology. When we're introduced to Snake in the Big Shell, all he does is fire his gun at Vamp and then sits down for a breather. Not to mention, when folks use MGS2 as a barometer for series "logic", it's misguided, since the entirety of MGS2 is likenened to a "bad dream" multiple times. This culminates in a finale in which all notions of logic, spacial reasoning, and traditional storytelling are thrown out the window. MGS1 presents us with a believable if campy world from beginning to end. MGS2 starts the same way, but like a frog slowly coming to boil, ramps up the insanity and makes you question what, if anything, has REALLY been happening. That's why MGS2s cutscene direction never worked in Twin Snakes for me. The game doesnt *earn* that suspension of disbelief the way Sons of Liberty does. It feels like emulation of another work without understanding that work. That said, I do think Twin Snakes is an absolute blast even if the design and direction isn't nearly as cogent as the original game.

[@Gggmanlives]

Raiden never does anything close to what Snake does in TS though.

[@Majuular]

​@Gggmanlives I think you missed my point. Raiden's basic A button evasive maneuver is an outrageous cartwheel that serves no pragmatic purpose beyond showing how cocky he is from his training. It's not a dick-measuring contest to see who's wackier, MGS2 has an insane, bombastic cutscene direction, and Twin Snakes cribs that without understanding the context behind it.

[@Gggmanlives]

So MGS2 is CUHRAZY simply because Raiden does a cartwheel. Okay.

[@FractalShoggoth]

Hey, it's Majuular! Love your work, man.

[@2ndbleak]

@@Majuularman now I hope you put out a better video about Twin Snakes, love your stuff man!

[@zclary923]

I enjoyed The Twin Snakes. I rented it as a kid and played through it entirely. I mean the PS1 version is such a sacred cow that I think most MGS players would say it's better, and it is, but TTS wasn't nearly as bad as some people make it out to be, at least imho. It definitely could've been improved upon though, I would love to see a remastered version that goes through and fixes some of the complaints about it.

[@WllKiedSnake]

I do think the PAL release fixed some of these things. I can't do that Ocelot trick in it.

[@quinnmarchese6313]

@@WllKiedSnake the mgs series biggest problem back then was version differences between both regions and systems--its nice that most of the games eventually got total version parity, but even those version cut out other awesome secrets. you can't be an American fan and get both the hidden skateboarding game AND Euro Extreme in MGS2, same with 3, Euro Extreme and the Guy Savage nightmare sequence, you can't play all of MGS1 (the original integral version) on PC despite better hardware because of shit like Psycho Mantis reading your memory cards and switching controller ports, and you still can't play the Twin Snakes version on anything other than a GameCube, Wii, or emulator, unless the recent master collection has it and i completely missed it

[@WllKiedSnake]

@quinnmarchese6313 I'm very fortunate to have grown up on the PAL releases. Only downside is the fps is lower. 576p but 50fps is not great! And no. The first Master Collection does not have it. I'm very much hoping it's included in Master Collection Vol 2 as it is a big piece of MGS history. And if it can only get included with the Switch release, then at least there is a version of the game out there for people other than the GC release. I hope it's included with all system versions though even if the Nintendo stuff has to be removed.

[@quinnmarchese6313]

@@WllKiedSnake yeah in a similar regard i am pretty lucky with my first version which was the PS Vita version of 3 the HD collection remake, oddly enough that one still had the Nightmare and had Euro Extreme added, and some solid controls for the vita's back touch panel, like dragging your finger across it to slit a throat. from there i did Peace Walker and 5 which are basically the same across all versions. i've tried to get into 1, TS, and 2 the same but aside from beating each once, i just dont really enjoy them, 3 in particular added so much that feels like it just should be in earlier games

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@quinnmarchese6313 The Vita version of the HD Collection still has the Guy Savage nightmare segment?

[@adamdavis1737]

I never played the original. I started with MGS 2. So this was how I got to experience the original story, as such this game holds a special place in my heart and is one of my favorites in the series. I played this thing over and over and over again. This one, MGS 3, and MGS 5 easily make my top three

[@GamerGuyOG]

Twin Snakes is what happens when you combine MGS and the matrix stunts. People drew the line at unrealistic and unnecessary stunts, but clones, mind powers, and bi pedal nuclear weapons are perfectly fine

[@Simp-Bizkit]

I think it gets a little too much unnecessary hate. Yeah the visual representation of shadow moses is better in PS1, the first person breaks a lot of the game, voice acting didn’t really do it for me but honestly it’s still fun and any MGS fan should just take Twin Snakes for what it is.

[@Gatherway]

The problem is the tone. While I'm sure you could point to many examples of Snake performing super-human feats in the other games, I promise you none of them will ever be as campy and over-the-top as "Snake destroys a helicopter by back-flipping off a heat-seeking missile and firing a rocket launcher mid-air" 😂

[@Simp-Bizkit]

@@Gatherway its so funny. I swear a series thats all about memes, TS might be the biggest meme.

[@ahsankhan-zg6gr]

Dude - exactly It’s perfect Really just a fun time- flows better into mgs2

[@jays.6843]

You do realize that you can make a sci-fi story and not have characters do Dragonball Z shit, right?

[@stuffedmannequin]

The biggest problem for me were the performances. They paled in comparison compared to the OG PSX version. The voice actors sounded like they didn't want to be there.

[@ChrizHawk90]

I agree.

[@Spiderdoom-hg3iy]

thats actually completely incorrect what the fuck are you talking about 😭almost every voice actor went out of their way to cancel other commitments just because they wanted the game to come out, and david hayter himself made sure to pay out of pocket to get as many returning voice actors as possible. i understand disliking the over the top cutscenes or change in gameplay those are valid criticisms, but anybody who says the performances were bad is just fucking braindead.

[@jadedheartsz]

Disagree they sounded fine to me. Thing is they HAD to be re-recorded because the the voice-acting for the original game was done in an apartment so if the original audio had been remastered it would've picked up other sound effects like cars from outside.

[@Jose-se9pu]

That wasnt the problem, it was a weaker script (which was closer to the original japanese one), they removing the accents, and David Hayter playing Snake exactly the same as in MGS2, which kinda defeats the point that Snake sounds old and tired in MGS2 after all the shit that goes down at the end of MGS1.

[@dmer-zy3rb]

@@jadedheartsz that is such an BULLSHIT EXCUSE the audio of the original sounded fine! how about just dont touch the files and everything would have been good??

[@FrederickGuese]

"You must be a real threat in the muktuk eating contest..."

[@danielbeckman6742]

Thats such a great line. I love that Snake is snarky to his enemies.

[@FrederickGuese]

​@@danielbeckman6742Twin Snakes lacked that in the localization as well.

[@danielbeckman6742]

@@FrederickGuese I know, that made me mad.

[@maskednil]

​@@danielbeckman6742That's why 1 is better than the rest too. The protagonists in 2, 3, 4, and 5 never have talks with the bosses.

[@IndyMiraaga]

@@maskednil Raiden talks with Solidus for quite some time, as does Big Boss with The Boss and Ocelot. Venom barely talks at all so he gets a pass too! And if nothing else, at least they did bring that back in Rising.

[@wyattv8540]

Legacy of Kane really needs a remaster or a remake... I played those games so much as a kid

[@Slappaccino]

100% agreed

[@SPTX.]

I wouldn't thrust the current rights holders with it.

[@SorcererLance]

I remember playing the original MGS was in a short demo at my local Kmart, but never got to play it through completely until Twin Snakes... This review kinda makes me feel like I played it illegitimately with the new additions they added from MGS2. So the next time I play it, either I hold back with the first-person shooting, or just download the PS1 version on the Switch. As for the over-the-top cutscenes... it can be kinda argued the cutscenes in the later games practically match it almost.

[@Raoh556]

I really don't understand why everyone always shits on The Twin Snakes. And this is coming from someone who grew up with the OG Metal Gear Solid. People always complain about the stunts like Snake didn't ninja dodge sniper fire from Wolf in the cutscene right before you fight her the second time in the original game. Me, I see The Twin Snakes for what it is. MGS 1 with a graphical and gameplay facelift. Nothing more, nothing less. I play and ACTUALLY ENJOY both versions of the game. Hot take, I know.

[@deathtoraiden2080]

Some people are just completely tone deaf. That would be you. It's not much of a hot take, we know. It's nice that you can have just as much fun with both games, good for you. While we're at it, may i recommend a bundle of jiggling keys? Lot's of fun to be had there as well.

[@marketkev]

I agree 100% this looks cooler than the original I played, it's all nostalgia for these guys, I'm grabbing the rom immediately.

[@marketkev]

​@@deathtoraiden2080nah he's right completely , it's an opinion don't clutch your pearls

[@deathtoraiden2080]

@@marketkev Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, that does not mean all opinions are valid.

[@johnjohnsonf739]

@@deathtoraiden2080it’s a video game, it’s not that deep

[@BigMicahC]

I can understand why purists don't like Twin Snakes, but personally I dig the over the top cutscenes and such. Snake's supposed to be a legendary soldier: a sort of Captain America of his universe. To have him do the sort of thing you'd find Christian Bale's character in Equilibrium doing sold his skills helped build his legend. Not to mention, it's not like that cutscene with the Ninja at the start got rid of his mystique. Seeing him carve up the same guards you've been sneaking around like he's a Japanese Michael Myers was terrifying.

[@thespeculativemusician]

Twin Snakes is a masterpiece, period.

[@Red_Lion2000]

Captain America is a bad comparison I feel like, given how based Kojima is.

[@hi_there3973]

I never understood the hate for the ocelot fight because in the original game, he dodged a tank shell

[@stardust_2339]

MGS nerds swarming to explain all the made up lore reasons for twin snakes existence

[@mjskillz23]

I love the original and twin snakes. It’s a different experience and capable of being side by side with the original. Don’t let KZbinrs that follow trends discourage you from playing this game. Super fun.

[@ahmadabdelmawla5405]

The superior version of the game

[@yurtthesilentgod1225]

In my opinion it really fumbled the vibe in certain scenes like sniper wolfs death. Gameplay wasn't translated well also. The original voice acting can never be topped and twin snakes sorta was wonkey. It's okay but I much prefer the OG

[@jadedheartsz]

I thought the new voice-acting was better

[@StealthHalberd01]

Sniper Wolf's death is always lame no matter the version because Otacon is legit just a loser simp to her. She literally has no clue who he is and is just drooling over her.

[@SPTX.]

@@StealthHalberd01 that shit always made me uncomfortable. I've done my fair share of beta orbiting, but Otacon pushes the parody so far even I couldn't relate and felt disgust. But let's not forget it's by design. Same reason he soiled himself. They really didn't want us to have sympathy for the guy. Until the sequel.

[@StealthHalberd01]

@@SPTX. dude wants to f*ck his sister in MGS 2 too.

[@HansAlRachid]

I honestly never understood the hate for this one. Sure, it makes changes and sure, the new cutscenes verge on being goofy in how over the top they get, but I mean... it's MGS. That series has always been both goofy and over the top. Maybe I never took the series seriously enough to care.

[@gobbins]

11:58 and 33:10 reverb fart

[@billycrstal1]

This is a game cube classic 👏

[@tjbanghart9120]

This was my first exposure to Metal Gear and for that I am forever grateful. Say what you will but this will always be a classic to me.

[@anthonyring123]

Twin Snakes was the first MGS game I played, so it holds this special place in my heart and had eventually made my way to the OG... idk, I see why people have problems with Twin Snakes... But I don't. I love it. My first introduction to MGS, so I have no real comparison give a "yeah but the OG" because the OG to me is the lesser game. My expectations were set with Twin Snakes.

[@blackbeargamer2052]

Well it's your opinion but the og is better i tried twin snake but nothing beats og

[@AsukaVII]

My only complaint with twin snakes was the choice of music during certain scenes, especially first sniper wolf encounter, it lost the heart breaking moment by switching out the music played. Otherwise I'm tired of people saying it's a bad game 😅

[@ZigealFaust]

During the time Twin Snakes came out I was really into DMC so I thought it was the best thing ever to make MGS even more of a goofy anime game like DMC. It was only years later did I know most of the fandom hated TS. Still dont know why, still dont care, I think its a neat game.

[@WllKiedSnake]

I also think it fits in with how wacky the MGS games are. Snake is a clone super soldier.

[@iloveediblestuff]

Because MGS isn't DMC. Imagine if DMC1 got a remake and they had toned down on the over-the-top and intentional campy vibe of DMC? Some who aren't familiar with the series might praise it for its "realism" over its original and what have you but I'd imagine fans would find the new direction jarring if not unnecessary.

[@cleverman383]

The entire MGS series is a goofy anime pretending to be a serious military film

[@AvalancheReviews]

This has always been a guilty pleasure. I actually kind of love it, but recommending someone play it over the original? Heresy!

[@Gggmanlives]

ur a guilty pleasure

[@icedog9011]

Had to do a double take when I saw your name.

[@4LetterName]

Twin Snakes is way better than the OG.

[@redlister2934]

The amusing touch of adding the DarkSydePhil Fappening incident in a couple of times isn't lost to me, since how much he hates kojima because of how many times he died in his games.

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

Meryll would get *wrecked*

[@erik-bm4po]

I played this as a teen. It was great back then. The cutscenes were awesome.

[@Darkreaper1982]

Sniper wolf death scene was the most disappointing scene for me. So impactful in the original, and was genuinely upset when i first saw it. Twin snakes, felt rushed, music was all over the shop and those wolves just rocking up (including a baby wolf) just made it weird.

[@demonicadiabolus4830]

Fun Fact: The Director of this Game was Ryuhei Kitamura. He is a japanese Director of, mostly action films, like Versus, Azumi and other Stuff. And he is known for outlandish Action Sequences with guys flying all over the place just like in those Cutscenes. For example, the guy made a Godzilla movie called Final Wars and in one Scene a group of five genetically modified Humans with Laser Rifles take on a 400 Foot tall Shrimp by flying and jumping around like crazy, the whole background set explodes like in a Michael Bay Movie and some Hard Rock Music is playing while all of this happens. And that's like 3 or 4 Minutes in this crazy ass movie. Oh and the Soldiers win btw.

[@mysteryman703]

I'll give you that giving the tranq gun and first person break the game but the rest of this video is literally just preference and to speak on these points like there matter of fact is so pretentious to me. You can enjoy MGS1 and I'll enjoy twin snakes.

[@Gggmanlives]

I’m not speaking as if it’s a matter of fact. This is all just my opinion, bro.

[@kureikon]

The way someone explained the Twin Snakes was basically Otacon's perspective on how Shadow Moses went down.

[@LockjawGael]

Another interpretation is that it's the VR training recreation of the Shadow Moses Incident that Raiden went through prior to MGS2

[@WllKiedSnake]

​@@LockjawGaelGhost Babel is Raiden playing as Snake in the Special Missions.

[@sirpeanut]

I've always interpreted it as the book Natasha ended up writing about the Shadow Moses Incident. That's why it's so over the top while treading the same story beats. It's the LEGEND of Solid Snake, whereas MGS1 is what actually happened.

[@BigBossultrastealth]

@@WllKiedSnakeghost babel isn’t canon

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@sirpeanut You showed see how wild the MGS Digital Graphic Novels are. They also go to some interesting places.

[@bakedbuninvasion]

Twin snake haters: its unrealistic. Twin snake chads: the most unrealistic thing is the bi-pedel Nuke tank that is central to the plotline of both games. If you hate twin snakes you are the kind of person who thinks escape from new york is a classic movie while ecaspe from la is trash, when they are literally the exact same trash copy paste verbatum.

[@Leonisdarko]

I get your gripes, G-Man, but as an elementary schoolboy, this was gold to me, I wouldn’t change my 1st experience with MGS if I could!

[@85jamesr]

Look G-man, I’ve been an avid follower of yours for quite some time. A lot of your reviews, even if I don’t have the platform, I watch as pure entertainment and I enjoy hearing your take on them. Furthermore, I would love to hear your take on game from the PlayStation X called Parasite Eve developed by Square-Enix. It was highly influential for me post Final Fantasy seven and resident evil in the late 90s. Would love to hear your take on it. Keep up the good work look forward to every post you do thanks again, sir. Also the intro to your video if you so choose for Parasite Eve should include the demo music from KZbin channel ifk101 posted about 17 years ago.

[@Firekeyez32]

Wasn't the OG title "How to NOT remake a classic?"

[@XMrChicagoX]

If mgs3 remake takes off. I hope we get a true blue remake of mgs1.

[@DannysHauntedJourney]

Twin Snakes Snake is lore accurate Snake. At least according to the books.

[@Ergeniz]

I honestly don't understand how people have such a problem with the TS cutscenes considering the world of MGS. Snake is a super soldier. His opponents are other super soldiers, nanomachine creatures, even people that can use literal magic. Big Boss has a feat where he held a portion of outer haven, which is hundreds of tons. Even as an old man in MGS4 he is taking down platoons and the beauty/beast unit. If Snake was just some 'normal' like gameplay portrays him as the games would make LESS sense.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

@@ErgenizMetal Gear as a franchise is pure ludonarrative dissonance. MGS1 wasn’t has over the top as the sequels because of technical limitations.

[@Ergeniz]

@@JohnWilliams-wl9px I get that, I'm making this point to other people (mostly Twin Snake detractors) that Snake as some Captain America type isn't some outlier that Ryuhei Kitamura invented. Its what Kojima wanted.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

@@Ergeniz I know even saw Gman trying to downplay MGS2 for being just a over the top by saying “all he did was cartwheels” ignoring all the crazy stuff Raiden and other characters do in that game do in cutscenes, and only focusing on actual gameplay. Which detractors of TS always do. I’m someone who isn’t even the biggest fan of this game, but I even found the ‘it’s over the top and doesn’t matches the series tone’ to be a bold face lie.

[@Ergeniz]

@@JohnWilliams-wl9px Yeah, I'm neutral on Twin Snakes. I don't particularly like/dislike it; I think it could have been a better remake (its adherence to the original game mechanics/maps actually holds it back in some cases) but this odd cognitive dissonance from MGS fans about how Snake is just 'ridiculous' in this game is unsubstantiated. For example it makes no sense Gray Fox could be defeated by Snake if he was just some normal guy, even if you assume Gray Fox was holding back due to his death wish.

[@MahoganyBlack]

I liked twin snakes a lot. It was actually my first mgs1 experience. But I can understand the criticism. This is what I’m afraid MGS delta will turn into. Pretty new coat of paint but nothing done to the level design to make up for the improved controls. Wish delta would go in the direction of the RE4 remake (and 2). Now that was a true reimagining improving the experience 👏

[@scottmorton825]

My headcanon is that Twin snakes is Raiden in VR training of shadow moses, and in the same Universe that Revengeance happened lol.

[@Ergeniz]

Your headcanon is cope; Kojima wanted it like this and the novels confirm it. Snake has always been a super solider.

[@masterofbloopers]

This was how I played MGS1 for the first time. I don't regret it. The PS1 version holds up well enough, but I'll take newer QOL changes whenever I can.

[@wilsonv7117]

17:00 yeah man, MGSV ties gameplay and cinematics pretty well with how you can CQC counter the SKULLS and then in cutscenes you CQC quiet, Liquid, and outer heaven soldiers. Meanwhile in twin snakes he's straight Equilibrium Gunkata GOD LOL

[@Gggmanlives]

Well said!

[@wilsonv7117]

@@Gggmanlives keep up the amazing work! It’s obvious you’re passionate about the stuff you review in one way or another and it really is great stuff! Also a great way to keep people into the series! shwacked

[@wesleygipson7814]

As someone who started their journey on MGS1, let me be honest. I've never understood most of the complaints for this game other than the lack of VR missions and the inclusion of non-lethal which are very valid and really my only complaint. In my opinion, everything about this game is just superior to the original; The music? Better. The voice acting? Better. The gameplay? Better. The cutscenes? Better. etc. etc... Like, the biggest thing that I don't understand are the complaints of adding Rob Paulsen as Gray Fox. I liked Greg Eagles in this, but him voicing Gray Fox made no sense to me considering he did nothing different for the voice as it was simply just an effect added over it, and Rob Paulsen absolutely killed it. I, personally, could never recommend MGS1 over Twin Snakes for someone. Maybe eventually play it later on, but I'll gladly recommend, and play, Twin Snakes over MGS1 anyday. Great video though. I do love these kind of discussions lol.

[@XenoSpyro]

This comment section is confirming that people are so easily broken and have zero expectations. "Well some of it is stupid, so ALL of it should be stupid!" I swear if Gandalf appeared in a Metal Gear game, you idiots would clap like seals.

[@SaturnsRing98]

It may not be a perfect remake by far, but it still has it's charms! I see it as a sort of "encore" to the original, a remake you'll play to see what all changed between console generations. I like a lot of the changes and while it is still washed out compared to the gorgeous colour of the original, it still looks good. Also worth noting is how the devs were seriously crunched which explains the lacking features, one thing I would have loved to see was the planned GBA connectivity! Stellar review as always BTW!

[@santiniperico8627]

Twin snakes is a good game, don't know wtf u going on about

[@weirdkid5]

It’s ok to have a wrong opinion

[@shin_nasrash]

i think the overexaggerated of media really make everyone pretend like 8/10 game is the shittiest game they ever play, that or we didn't even play the game this sort of stuff happened all the time.

[@Chinothebad]

You're saying this to someone that played the original long before Twin Snakes came out. Of course his experience and thoughts of the game are going to be different from yours.

[@ChrisFyffe-q7h]

I have played both quite a few times and tbh i like the twin snakes version much better. It just has those quality of life updates that makes it play more like a newer mgs title

[@eyecontactleadsto]

The original voicework for Grey Fox was one of my favourite in gaming let alone in MGS.

[@cleverman383]

the original English dub VA for Grey Fox didn't show up so they had to get the guy who did the Darpa Chief read the lines instead

[@thehorsefromhorsinabout]

whenever someone asks me if I've played MGS1 I just say no because the shame of having only played twin snakes is too great.

[@woogha]

Your complaint about the visuals is exactly how i felt about the Shadow of the Colossus remake. It was too clean.

[@WllKiedSnake]

In Shadow of The Colossus they gave you the option for different colour filters to fix that.

[@woogha]

@@WllKiedSnake was that patched in later? My launch version only has filters in photo mode.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@woogha Maybe? But you can use different colour filters to give that look of the original.

[@woogha]

@@WllKiedSnake I'll have to check that out. Thank you.

[@largogrunge2]

Lets be honest. It is true, this game has a lot of flaws, but the massive amount of hate it receives it is because it is a Nintendo exclusive... We all know that hardcore MGS fans are Sony fanboys and they would love to see this game on a Sony console.

[@dksoulstice6040]

Review Requests, my brother from another Australian mother: Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy Headhunter X-Squad Brute Force Syphon Filter series

[@Slappaccino]

Psi-Ops was such a gem. It felt way ahead of its time. And Syphon Filter needs a modern remake asap!

[@multipass1170]

Eh I don't see the things you point out are issues. A remake is going to change or add new things. It's why it's a remake. I think its amazing what they done. I was just upset it was only for the GameCube at the time so I had missed out on it for awhile until emulation lol. Least I got to enjoy the OG when it was released as a kid. Prob 1 of the best times in gaming forsure!

[@tylerbookwood4002]

Snake 360 no scoping Sniper Wolf during a cutscene haunts me to this day

[@lordfriedrick7911]

To be frank: They had to include the first person They were damned if they didn't and damned if they did The MGS 2 had it and if they didn't included the first person mode they would have got a really bad reception

[@Gggmanlives]

No one said otherwise, just balance or change the game to accomodate for it.

[@Gobzer5526]

I'm in the category of people who have ONLY played Twin Snakes and have never played MGS1 but this video genuinely made me want to play MGS1. I never realized how different the art direction is between them and yes, per this video, MGS1 has way more character and stylized visuals. It really makes TS look drab by comparison. Also, I never thought about how the first person aiming lets you cheese so many sequences. Will definitely be playing MGS1 the next time I revisit this series

[@marcovirtual]

I also only played The Twin Snakes. I wish there was a remake with the best of both versions. For example, I love the dialog in TTS. I can quote almost every line from Revolver Ocelot. When I heard the original, I was disappointed with the lack of intensity in the dialogs. On the other hand, not featuring in TTS that song with the women chanting from the beginning of the original is a capital sin. I wish we could have the best of both.

[@cleverman383]

@@marcovirtual the best is yet to come

[@darrynbrown9211]

The twin snakes is a better version of the game. It just is. There is nothing in terms of a measurable performance that makes it inferior. The narrative is intact, nothing removed. It's only limitation is if you compare it to the PS2 or XBOX ports of a completely different game, MGS2. The GameCube just wouldn't achieve that same fidelity. You can not like it, for reasons of opinion. But objectively, this is better than the original in almost every way.

[@jaythomas468]

The thing about the original game’s encounter with the Cyborg Ninja was that they set it up almost like a “horror/slasher film” (with clear callbacks to the movie Predator) and it was INCREDIBLY EFFECTIVE. Also, I don’t know WHY the audio, sound design, and VA is so INFERIOR to the original in numerous places. I still appreciate Twin Snakes, though.

[@RappingNinja]

Hell no, Twin Snakes is excellent. I personally find it VERY hard to look at PS1/Saturn-era polygonal graphics, so. Yeah. I will ALWAYS opt to play Twin Snakes over PS1 MGS. Alas… it’s hard to play this for most.

[@PrKr1111]

Nitpick: the review

[@deathtoraiden2080]

The only nitpicking here is finding ways to praise this hot POS

[@MrRed88]

You don't know what the word nitpick means

[@PrKr1111]

@@MrRed88 brain rot comment. Of course I know what it means, that's why I said what I said.

[@MrRed88]

@PrKr1111 if you did, then you wouldn't be referring to a video with virtually no nitpicks in it as such. So yes, actually, you don't know what the word nitpick means seeing as you so blatantly used it incorrectly. Seriously, since when was critiquing a game's game and level design a nitpick🙄🤣??? You don't know what the word means.

[@deathtoraiden2080]

The only nitpicks in this video is trying to find reasons to praise this trash

[@seanmc2999]

Giving the old automatic thumbs up because I love and appreciate your content, however I massively disagree. On the surface twin snakes brings a whole host of quality of life improvements, and graphical improvements all while propping up the GameCube which by all accounts was done dirty by 3rd party developers. Does this make this easier? 100%, but you do have to go out the way to think of the newer solutions if you have the original down to habit.

[@PierDaken]

Speaking of music, MGS series moved into generic spy flick territory starting with MGS2 and Harry Gregson-Williams becoming the main composer. The original MGS soundtrack feels more like Angelo Badalamenti and the whole game gives Lynch vibes with anxiety and melancholy looming somewhere close. It’s too bad this feel got mostly lost with other installments.

[@valettashepard909]

Is the original the more consistent, challenging experience? Absolutely. And there’s a lot of things about the audio that are way better too. But when it comes to which one i like to replay more? Twin Snakes by a long shot. The flaws are glaring but the quality of life improvements are something I find myself appreciating more upon subsequent playthroughs, and while it’s less consistent as a singular experience, i find it more consistent with the other entries in the series. It deserves to get ported like the OG did.

[@Fezzy976]

i am sorry but this review is so bad, twin snakes is without a doubt MUCH better than MGS1 on PS1. you complain that the game is too easy because of the hidden m9 pistol in a locker at the start, most people didn't find that on first play through. And you also dont HAVE to use it. thats like complaining doom is too easy because of its many hidden weapons.... and the ninja sequence in TS is amazing, silence is bliss.

[@stealthgyro]

My head-canon is Twin Snakes is Raiden's VR Training.

[@brandonperez8977]

Some people believes that too

[@UltraGreen77]

Odd. I always preferred this version. Felt more like what Kojima would really want. Plus, PS1 games have aged worse than any other consoles games. My eyes start to hurt after playing for longer than 30 minutes. I never recommend the PS1 version to people when they first get into the series.

[@Samaelx.]

Love your videos mate ! ❤ I hope you'll one day consider playing or reviewing " Vampire Night " for the ps2.. it really has some unique features that I haven't seen in any other ps2 game at the time.

[@8harts]

i always think it’s funny when people say snake jumping over bullets is stupid when the same series has a bisexual vampire and ghosts😭

[@vincentjaime181]

Twin Snakes is better than the OG Version imo.

[@Ergeniz]

I think the cutscenes make more sense and are awesome, but TS doesn't take advantage of its new graphic engine nor mechanics. It adds weapons in places that weren't intended yet doesn't compensate for this reduced difficulty.

[@b.msabol8551]

The game doesn't deserve half the hate it gets. It's MGS1 with MGS2's control. I will say the cutscenes boarder on anime it's still a damn good interpretation

[@sergiokaminotanjo]

This needs waaaayyyyyyy more memes to be watchable

[@Strizz484]

Fully agree. Twin Snakes isn't bad at all and ultimately you're getting the same great story anyways. Where it goofs up are the remade cutscenes that strip the seriousness out and dial up the narm to 100, and the MGS2 QOL additions like first person aiming, tranqs, hold-ups utterly break the game

[@drfiggles]

I grew up playing the original on PS1 relentlessly, and Twin Snakes was one of the first games I played on GameCube. I guess I’m definitely the minority but I actually liked Twin Snakes a lot more than the original.

[@byronhines8315]

Now this game came out during a time when I smoked a lot of weed alot of weed and this game just blew me away at the upgraded graphics the matrix style action 😢and character models and the gameplay was fun

[@WH250398]

I consider it to be better than the original. The hate on the "stupid and unrealistic" cutscenes I think is hilarious. Because backflipping on a missile is not ok, but bees lifiting a guy into a helicopter in Snake Eater is.

[@WH250398]

You also can't do parachute jumps in Snake Eater.

[@yurtthesilentgod1225]

The cobras are magic. Like phyco mantis. Snake has never been a magic character. That's why we dislike snake doing magic.

[@0boro]

​@@yurtthesilentgod1225"infinite ammo bandana" yeah Snake isn't magical. The series has always been camp and the only reason the original PlayStation version didn't have all that crazy stuff was because of hardware limitations.

[@RGR490G]

​@@yurtthesilentgod1225 This is pretty much it. At the end of the day, Snake is just a guy. Even with cloning shenanigans and what not, Snake is still just a man with regular human abilities. And part of what makes him so cool is, despite that, he perseveres against extraordinary enemies. The less grounded Snake becomes, the less interesting it is when he takes on these over-the-top villains.

[@demonwind5030]

​@RGR490G He's a low level superhuman: somewhere just above Batman (peak human), and a trained special ops soldier to boot. His agility is par for the course.

[@2006Mercury]

Unpopular opinion here I don't play any games online or interested in new consoles if you don't have a GameCube then too bad so sad you're not going to get to play XD Gale of darkness and twin Snakes and other games as well but there's hope you can sell your new consoles don't buy the streaming services and stop wasting your money eating out and spend your money building a collection that's going to be harder to get in the future

[@egilland]

This ain't it Cheif. Twin Snakes is much more playable than the original if you have played neither.

[@160sharp]

Naw he makes a lot of valid points about the groundeness and how the gameplay doesn’t work in it’s favour that a lot of people share the same opinion

[@aDudeNamedMike]

Twin Snakes is the superior version of MGS. You guys are reaching with this one. It's 2024 and everyone just needs something to complain about.

[@mariorusinek5037]

The OG is wayyyyy better ☝️

[@usadroopymeat1099]

To be fair and honest I enjoyed those changes in the game both versions are good like dead space alone in the dark system shock goldeneye gears of war etc those games with remakes and remasters are all great I mean that’s like transformers were the auto bots and decepticons are nothing like these transformers from other tv shows movies and games

[@otacon5648]

Now THIS is more like it G Man 👍🏻