[Metal Gear Solid V] The Truth - Doublethink

[@JaviRichtofen7thst]

i like how the address themselves with their real names. its a sign of mutual respect in my opinion (for soldiers at least, a private doesnt go around calling their captain by just their first name.)

[@youngfox2186]

Canonically, Big Boss and Ocelot are personal friends.

[@TheCycloneable]

i wish this plays as a cutscene..

[@solo5865]

Ocelot was the only person who actually loved BB

[@texasgent4694]

Solo I remember in MGS4 that Eva confessed that she loved Big Boss as well and that it was the primary reason that she was willing to give birth to two of his clones, Liquid and Solid Snake, but as far as the battlefield goes, yeah Ocelot was definitely the most loyal ally Big Boss had as Eva said, Ocelot idolized him

[@ankihansen2489]

@@texasgent4694 So, Didn't Eva give birth to Solidus?

[@texasgent4694]

@@ankihansen2489 No I don't believe she did because she doesn't mention giving birth to him,only Liquid and Solid,it seems odd that she wouldn't mention Solidus if she gave birth to him as well,this is further implied by the fact that when Vamp throws Solidus' body into the fire, she is overcome with grief and tries to burn with him, as though she truly believed it was the REAL Big Boss, if she had known it was Solidus I doubt she would've reacted that way,she may not have even been aware of Solidus' existence

[@MinecraftMasterNo1]

@@texasgent4694 Liquid and Solid were flawed clones, probably because they weren't 100% clones and had to be birthed by Eva. Solidus was a perfect clone which probably meant he was grown in a tube or something.

[@metafication]

@@MinecraftMasterNo1 ironically you hit the nail on the head, the Eva clones are probably artificially inseminated and carried by surrogate and by the time they need to make Solidus they can just totally In Vitro Fertilize an egg and keep him incubating

[@gentaillahi6153]

*now kiss*

[@billwilson6248]

Why didn't Ocelot tell Big Boss that Zero didn't attack Mother Base, but actually saved his life?

[@kakacech]

Big boss seems that he wants to chill in his last days. He probably couldn't care less about zero

[@Razgar_Voxel]

That is not why Big Boss hates Zero, It's the fact that Zero made clones of him with out his permission. That is what Big Boss and Zeros feud is over not Mother Base.

[@one-wingedangel5107]

It's also because they could not reconcile their visions and interpretations of what The Boss' will was. Zero's vision is that of controlling the world from behind the scenes while Big Boss's vision is all about providing home and work for soldiers forever without being manipulated by the government.

[@IndividualQuestion]

He already knows

[@4ever_reckless]

very nice dialogue, even if it's not a cutscene, kojima truly knows how to make voice actors perform in such a interesting way

[@IDHLEB]

Another MGS character played like a damn fiddle

[@rexaura8465]

And just like that, he went along and did what he said he wouldn't do- He exploited his own soldier and innocent people to save himself. A real bastard

[@Upāsaka_11]

All for the sake of the Boss' will, which he finally realized too late in the cemetery with Solid.

[@ReplacedByTheEU]

He didnt really. He tried to save Venom until the end

[@CrimsonAzure-fh6yb]

MGS fans haven't even played the games lol Venom was Zero's plan while Naked Snake was in a coma, he had no control over the plan but had to roll with it And even at the end of it all, he didn't just abandon Venom but shared the title of Big Boss with him and led alongside him until 1995

[@mysteranonymous7773]

He was hesitant until Ocelot pointed Venom action as shield for him when Paz bomb blown up

[@zee4125]

@@mysteranonymous7773 Ocelot was spouting some mental gymnastics BS to justify all this lol

[@MamboCat84]

**cries**

[@tibulcain4904]

I thought big boss' name was jack? Isn't that what he was called in snake eater?

[@kn6361]

Jack is a nickname for John in the same way people named Richard are often called Dick

[@ravencollins5638]

He told ocelot his name was John at the end of snake eater

[@Donkey_Lips]

@@ravencollins5638”I’m not an ocelot and you’re not a snake! We’re men…. With names!”

[@BirdieSenpai]

What I'm still trying to figure out how much of this is true and how much of it is fake. Not all of it is true, because Ishmael never existed. Additionally, Venom's passport was used in 1978, indicating he was not in a coma from 1975 to 1984. Kojima confirmed that Big Boss was only in one coma; the question is which one? The coma Liquid mentions in MGS was only mentioned in the English version, but it's mentioned in both English and Japanese in The Twin Snakes; the coma from 1975 to 1984 is very suspicious, given Ground Zeroes was a heavily altered fake memory implanted into Venom's mind (hence Miller saying he can't believe they fell for Paz's cover story), so it's difficult to determine how much of Ground Zeroes was real and how much was fake. It's like Ocelot said: 2 + 2 = 5 in this game.

[@itssonotover961]

You're looking way too much in a series that doesn't even care about it's own consistency lol

[@SuccubiPie]

KOJIMAAAAAAAA

[@Chasibannac]

2 + 2 = 5

[@A-B101]

2 + 2 = V

[@battlefields2mine]

I love your both of comments

[@annedrieck7316]

@@battlefields2mine love, hate? Why do it have to be one or another?

[@billyLego4855]

@@annedrieck7316 love, hate? It gose like that in society. Its unpredictable

[@billyLego4855]

@@annedrieck7316 Society could say its the ministry of love, but spreads hate, ministry of truth, gives out disinformation. And the people that don't trust the government will follow it be the implemented message and values at the same time to guide them in times. We all relate, we all follow, we all know but yet when it comes too each other, we have no idea to only play the script by only who we relate too, not who we don't. Even people themselves play a rule of giving out disconnected values. Rather what puts people together.

[@barie-cu4bc]

What do the truth record's actually mean?

[@cloudtheavegner1000]

It's a 1984 reference. It's a George Orwell book, which heavily influenced the game. The game even takes place in 1984.

[@Benjimon2514]

If has been though all the things Big Boss an has why do we need a translator

[@cheatsykoopa98]

cause venom has brain damage

[@Upāsaka_11]

Yeah the part of his brain that processed language, outside of English apparently, was damaged by the shrapnel from the explosion. He did manage to slowly regain that knowledge though. I remember there being two separate cutscenes involving Eli that were in English and Afrikaans.

[@tonymiranda5675]

At what moment did Ocelot remember all this? Or it was after the game? I know that during the post-credits dialogue he already does it, but I don't know at what point in the story it happens.

[@Eliotime3000]

That was before the awakening of Venom Snake.