[METAL GEAR SOLID V] Why the fans initially REJECTED Punished "Venom" Snake.

Metal gear solid V is a popular entry in the metal gear franchise and with it came it's most iconic character Punished "Venom" Snake a fan favorite among the community and a bit of a meme as of recent but there was a time where that wasn't the case? in this video I'll be talking about the factors and flaws that caused the Community to Initially Reject Venom Snake, changes, cut content, a lot is covered to why he was originally in the same tough spot as Raiden from metal gear solid 2.
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0:00 Intro
1:38 CHANGES
4:00 PERSONALITY
7:10 STORY
12:50 OUTRO
SOCIALS IN BIO
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[@2PhoneTyphoon]

When you can't Even SAY,🎶 MY NAME🎶 Note: a few people have been calling me out on this and honestly that’s fair. In this video I mispronounced raiden’s name, and said Ray-Den and not Rai-Den. I’ve played MGS2 and Rising and the truth is… i have just been playing a lot of mortal Kombat. Kinda been binging through 9- MK1 for their stories so How they say Raiden was kinda burned into my mind at the time I made my video my fault😅

[@RossOfRoni]

Ricardo There, I said it.

[@muhammeterdemakbulut]

fans did nothing MGSV is just an unfinished game that kojima says finished because he wanted more budget to make the game, it was supposed to be bigger than peace walker, you can't tell me it's a finished game because the day 1 versions of the game has mission 51 but %30 complete, we love venom snake but there is kinda no lore about venom snake and big boss between peace walker and mg1

[@TBrizzle01]

I've grown to really hate that song. It's in every single MGSV video now and is super overused.

[@xXstevieOo]

my only complaint is we didnt get enough of kifer's voice

[@jarlnooch1882]

my only complaint is we got kiefers voice instead of david hayter

[@xXstevieOo]

@jarlnooch1882 in the context of voicing venom, I can live with that decision, in fact i like his voice and hes a talented actor. If the game was about boss or snake, then without a doubt, hayter.

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@xXstevieOoTrue and I agree

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@jarlnooch1882Umm okay but Kiefer is great at acting like snake.

[@tumblingmuffin1967]

@@jarlnooch1882Hayter’s the GOAT sadly got done dirty by Kojima, and I defo wish he was in the game as Snake but I cannot lie he would not have delivered that “From the Man Who Sold the World” speech as well as Kiefer did

[@justincholos.balisang6884]

It's not the boss we wanted but the boss we needed.

[@Ner0mancer]

The Boss we deserved

[@Jaxever]

Nah, at this point I'm with Kaz on this one. Fuck the real Big Boss.

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

“Big Boss can go to Hell. I’ll make the Phantom and his sons stronger, To send him there.”

[@halloweenjack95]

Kind of missed the point in Big Boss actions tho

[@renichw4163]

Kaz hid the truth from Snake in PW, justified or not, Snake couldn’t trust Miller at this point…

[@Mr-6666]

​@@renichw4163 THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!!!! GIVE IT BACK!

[@kaymeachem1619]

I never realized till now but you’re right all the demon talk just to save cute animals, and children.

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

Haha Don't get me wrong I didn't mind taking care of Animals it gave us D-Dog but man was I confused🤣

[@oldsnake9520]

@@2PhoneTyphoonI mean that’s kind of the point of venom’s character. He’s a good person that’s being forced to play the role of a war criminal.

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@oldsnake9520Thankfully someone understands.

[@MaceOfSpades5]

i got a Mod where he Magdumps the Kids and then evacs same with Elis group where i only had to Kidnap Eli

[@MaceOfSpades5]

@@oldsnake9520 And he isnt even a War Criminal cause most of the things he does are all within law there is a Video that explains this better called The Crimes of Big Boss

[@thankyou329]

with v at first i was like nah but after 8 years i'm like yeeeeeeeeah

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

It took some time, but V turned out to be a game that ended up aging quite nicely as time went on, appreciate your comment✌️

[@augustineescobar867]

Same

[@Miyakolover]

@@2PhoneTyphoon MGSV to me is just like MGS2, a great game that people misunderstood when it first cameout and now more and more people grow to appreciate it. Chapter 2 in particular is one of the most misunderstood aspects of the game that people write off as "unfinished"; even though Hideo Kojima himself explain in the official guide book that killing off Skull Face at the end of Chapter 1 was meant to leave the player with a "lasting phantom pain after your target of vengeance is gone" for the duration of chapter 2...I think the repeated missions in chapter 2 also mean to represent the the cycle of vengeance...as the game puts it at the start "Just another day in a war with no end".

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

@@Miyakolover I think that’s a really great way to put it. MGSV and MGS2 are wonderful games. That initially got heat for doing things a lot different, bravo to you👏

[@afanebrahimi7278]

I'm playing MGS V again after few years off, I still love the gameplay, but I didn't changed my mind about the story, who remains the worst of the canon MGS games. Skull Face is the most boring antagonist. I didn't care about him, so I didn't feel anything when he died and as he died in the middle of the fame, it was really anticlimatic, the game continues as nothing important happened. The revelation that we played a fake BB is stupid. What is even the point of cloning BB if you can turn a random dude into BB ? Quiet is the only interesting character in the entire cast. Huey is useless, Miller and Ocelot don't bring anything to the game... I really enjoyed the Paz storyline, but it is wasted as it's not BB experiencing the trauma of losing Paz but Venom. That makes no sense, why would Venom feels this way about Paz anyway ?

[@s.plissken_91]

They rejected punished snake because they couldn't accept the reality that Big Boss played even them.

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

I would say zero played everyone

[@sergioriggio1769]

Zero played himself and Skullface finished him off. Big Boss, on the other hand, "sold his comrades all over the world" (MGSV mission 22 reference) in order to return with the CIA. Giving up the renegade mercs and sandinistas he could establish the special unit of FoxHound at Langley in the strictly following years. And last but not least, he cheated death with the creation of doppelgangers and identical clones. For example there is no in-game confermation that Zanzibar's Big Boss is MSF's Vic Boss

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@sergioriggio1769 Well zero allowed big boss cheat death for example he created venom snake for that specific reason. Zero also created the clones too. If zero didn’t create big boss clones or his doppelgänger then he would not be able to cheat death. Zero is underrated i believe and he is literally the mastermind of metal gear. He may have played himself but he allowed death to never touch big boss. I agree with you but zero isn’t dumb as you think he is.

[@sergioriggio1769]

I know, Zero isn't dumb but he is the only one who did not seek to directly handle power. The billions his agents used and the English codes they built had the final goal to ensure the total supremacy of America over any country. He was indeed different from all the other Cipher's biggest operatives. Because they all tried to invest into a system where their role would have been essential. On the other hand Zero created an uncontrallable and self-sustaining system, which did not have any need of him. Doing so he put himself in an enormous danger but probably it did not really matter to him

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@sergioriggio1769 I agree

[@mist12345678910]

I wouldn't mind if the role was revealed during the intro. It was like keeping the world's biggest lie and the responsibility of it. Kinda how the boss did with naked snake. Would be cool if we got a glimpse of what the real big boss was doing behind the scenes too

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

I could see that kind of working in a way. with both Venom and Naked Snake working on their respective halves (Outer heaven and Zanzibar Land) together. not too bad honestly thank you for the comment✌️

[@jonathanpalma713]

My only issue was that i thought part of the big reveal with Kiefer would be that once you saw the real big boss he would sound like David Hayter. And you would be like AAAUUHHHHHGGGH!!! but it wasn't like that.

[@oisinkelly4604]

If hayter did the man who sold the world tape speech it would sound terrible

[@Cernunn0s90]

I didn't mind the twist at all. Venom Snake was never my problem with MGSV. My problem with MGSV was that it just lacks much story at all. So little happens over the span of so many hours. It's such a huge departure from all the amazing dialogue and cutscenes that make up the previous entries in the saga. It had the potential to be so much better.

[@metalmanny666]

The opposite was said and criticized about MGS4

[@Cernunn0s90]

@@metalmanny666 Not by fans who has followed this series since the start. But there is also a huge middle road between the two.

[@sergioriggio1769]

MGSV had more than 6 hours of cutscenes and for the first time in the saga there had been a realistic approach to espionage. It's basically the only game where you can gather intel on the field and then analyze it through actual debriefing. Man, in the other games you couldn't even properly interrogate the soldiers: they would tell you their stepmother's middle name 😂

[@28.bachthiminhtam53]

Metal Gear Solid V has excellent graphics and top-notch gameplay, but the story cannot become a masterpiece like the previous games and stops at the word excellent.

[@sergioriggio1769]

I may seem one of the few MGSV "defenders" but I praise its originality. All the other titles have basically the same story: our hero Snake has to infiltrate an enemy fortress without questioning anything in order to destroy a new terrible weapon. Then he has to fight a pack of freaks that impersonificate emotions till he finds the weapon, which is too clunky to be actually used in combat. After its destruction Snake realizes he has been played by his team, again The only difference between these stories it's the change of settings. MGSV, on the other hand, has a unique plot which revolves around the importance of words, actual espionage and the reality of "third world" countries. All this is told by probably the best voice acting and scenography of the entire saga

[@user-wl9vc9rq4o]

Konami made a huge mistake by not letting Kojima finish the game. Okay he was out of budget and missed the deadlines but you only have to take a look at the success of the previous titles. Let the man cook . It is more likely he makes something great than not .

[@p3wter0]

No 🗣️

[@ak-qd2jk]

kojima said its finished

[@JG.ver1]

Konami didn't do anything. It was kojima. He became obsessed with becoming friends with Hollywood figures. When he hired Sutherland he blew most of the mgsv budget.he knew and didnt care. And not only was he shameless about it, he did it again for death stranding. Norman reedus cost the game gudget and quality and story..... I'll never buy a kojima game again.

[@lodziklocPL]

And that’s how Metal Gear went down. Not with a bang, but a whimper. Kojima, instead of giving us the truth, decided to “create context” - convenient narration that the masses - us - unquestionably embraced as our own. David Hayter became a symbol which was just as exploited as the guy he voiced.

[@yeahbuthow2005]

​@@JG.ver1 bro r u insane?

[@jsjr2485]

There's a youtuber named Jeremy Jahns that reviewed the game that first came out and he had an interesting perspective that I think could shed light on how Venom Snake fits into the story as well as the legend of Big Boss. He said: the future always echoes the past. Which fits thematically with the heroes a lot of the main characters of the story. The Boss was vilified for becoming the unsung hero during Operation Snake Eater, Big Boss was vilified by the world super powers because he gave soldiers a home and a nation meant for them, Solid Snake was vilified as an ecological terrorist for sinking the tanker which he was falsely blamed for just like the Boss was used as the scapegoat for the destruction of the research facility causing an international incident. There's also an argument to be made that both Solidus and Liquid Ocelot also fall into these patterns a bit because of what there true intentions are. In Solidus case he wanted to eliminate the Patriots which Solid Snake ended up doing anyway. Ocelot was basically forced to become a villain and take down the patriots because of his longstanding grudge against Zero for betraying Big Boss. When you think about it he was just siding with whoever was going against the Patriots and their A.I. Which is why he killed DARPA Chief Donald Anderson, why he probably killed Miller in MGS1 (MGSV lets us know why they're enemies), and why he wasn't mad at Snake for destroying the Patriots A.I. in MGS4.

[@robyfaraa4105]

i got this recommended to me and thought this was a vid from any popular creator due to the editing and style, until i saw the views and subs. really well done man keep it up.

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

Thank you I appreciate the kind words, always trying to Put out well made content and continue to improve wherever I can✌️

[@jdemonp]

I always hated the fact that Venom Snake speaks way to little in this game, i wonder why Kojima even bother to change to Kiefer to only speak like 10 times in the entire game. Other thing i hated about this game is that they didnt bother to start introducing characters from the first 2 games, like it would have really cool to see Machine Gun Kid, Twin Shot or Fire Tropper being recluted by Venom or at least mentioned, maybe doctor Madnar as well.

[@Izumikep]

They were all rescued child soldiers raised by DD / Outer Heaven

[@federicoricca2512]

​@@Izumikep same with sniper wolf; there's a lot of missed potential on this regard

[@chelotobar5258]

Been a Venom Fan since release I can respect other fan’s love for Hayter (and I do really like him in MGS1) but the way Snake is presented in GZ and TPP through the physical performance and directing/camara work, making him more stoic connected with me. And Kiefer’s more natural voice fits with the whole tone of MGSV And you are right, Diamond Dogs are so nice! lol…. I feel the narrative is, that whenever VS or DD as a whole had to make tough choices, or actually did something questionable; not the people on the inside, but those looking from the outside (or the ones rejected like Huey) created “dark legends” of this “villain” organization… Besides… during and after TPP, it’s the Patriots and it’s AI that would be controlling information around the world, so they too could be the ones painting BB and DD as villains…

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

That I can agree with, Kiefer fits whatever Kojima was envisioning for metal gear with his more stoic tone Oh and I totally agree with you there on others labelling the diamond dogs that way, like Kaz said when Huey was exiled “In no time he’ll be talking about the Black-Hearted Diamond Dogs. The Shining white Knight. Blabbering on about our Injustice, Hiding behind his fools idea of Morality… And all the other fools will stand around, nodding at every word he says.” Thank you for the comment✌️

[@AndrewWorthy]

I mean, I always looked at it like this….. David Hayter = Snake Keifer Sutherland = Venom Snake (who actually ISNT Snake at all, just a dude with a facelift)….. Hence, the voice change ACTUALLY making sense with the Games Lore. 😅

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

Venom isn’t some dude though he is literally big bosses best man.

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

Hence why he is able to pull of insane feats and skills comparable to big boss.

[@trantorthetroll8768]

@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101you know what he meant …

[@cantsuggestareasonablename9101]

@@trantorthetroll8768 Yes I do but venom isn’t “just some dude with a facelift” though.

[@fleezelight]

Unpopular opinion: MGS V is my favourite out of all, the gameplay is too good and so well made. I keep going back to it over and over.

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

Not too unpopular anymore, easily the most addicting Gameplay of the franchise And overall very wrll developed in gameplay loop✌️

[@JPDD2]

Honestly it’s the one I come back to the most. As a straight up video game it is absolutely the best of the series.

[@TheSwordfish009]

I love the Skull Face car scene. It became iconic, didn't it? Snake and Skull arguing philosophy would've been stupid. Much stronger with uncomfortable silence. It was meant to be uncomfortable just like the infamous ladder 🪜 climb in MGS3

[@ItzRainyBoy]

Heya, I got recommended by the algorithm to watch this video, and I must say, you're pretty good. Keep it up pal o7

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

Thank you Kindly, I make sure to give my 100% in what I got it may not give me exactly a tactical advantage but i make sure to try, thank you for the comment👏

[@josephlizandro1884]

Venom is the player but he’s nothing more than the real big boss’s body double from the first metal gear game and that’s kinda cool too. Also would’ve been amazing if they finished the game tho with liquid escaping but no real finale to that

[@delta1962]

its funny how i grew to like VSnake. I remember thinking, "Big Boss is different, not talking much', after i learned about it, i respected VSnake and at the end if I have to choose one, him or Big Boss, It'll be VSnake! He had to put 'his' face out there and face all the things that Big Boss couldn't or wouldn't and he exceled at all, just for Big Boss get all the glory, not fair at all.

[@ricardomiles2957]

10:01 Uh i think you are misreading things here, they aren't really being "good guys" in a play way but this game like mgs3 gives "the real facets" of what we know about big boss, they aren't heartless monsters or All powerful messiah's like other characters through the series make Big Boss be out to be. Two big examples of that: First, Miller yes wanted to give proper instruction and give tools to the kids and Venom agrees but at first in the very same cutscene Venom simply wanted to make them work for DD and Miller wasn't agaisnt that per say he simply wanted to give them tools to do something else if they wanted but he wasn't using them and as we know later in tapes, Miller's caring over kids has nothing to do with morals but past trauma. Which gives us the full picture of Big Boss' use of Child soldiers in the MSX games. Second is that tape that for me is one of the best in the game which is about the origin of the nickname Shalashaska and they talk about gulags and Venom says "Forced research? That's not different from what we do here...." then ocelot's try to dismiss that by saying they are doing out of their free will in their belief on big boss and then venom says "... if they didn't wanted, they would leave?". Which give us another facet of how big boss kidnaped scientists to make force them to work for him in the old games just so for one of them to be revealed to be on Big Boss side on zanzibar

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

That is honestly a great analogy, and it’s really cool how you tied the things shown in phantom pain to the actions he does in MG1 and 2 with outer Heaven and Zanzibar land. Bravo man👏 wish we kind got to see Snake go on that more extreme if we saw phantom pain be fully completed

[@krwhite02]

I liked Kiefer as BB. Was hoping to get to see him act with Hayter as SS eventually but I guess not

[@hawaiianchance9554]

Please do keep up with these videos, you have great potential.

[@matthewlasala4360]

Also I have to add for any long time fan the “plot twist” or “truth” was so obvious it was annoying how dragged out it was.

[@charliehoare1719]

Punished Venom Snake having a different voice makes sense though because Venom is not a clone he's a different person just a double cat you know what I mean lol

[@danielbeckman6742]

Hey, great video. I remember back then, when it was announced that Hayter would not be returning as Big Boss. The fandom was split and I was on the pro-Hayter side and boycotted V. Since then, I’ve watched playthru’s of V online, but have never played it myself. I understand people’s fondness for Venom and Diamond Dogs, but I still reject it. The series was finished with Peace Walker. Big Boss was already a villain at the end of that game (nukes, child soldiers, etc) and it even ended with “to be continued in Outer Heaven”. Also, the body double thing doesn’t make sense and instead of fixing a plot hole, actually really cheapens a good twist, that being Big Boss survives his first battle with Solid Snake and returns in mg2. The “mentor is really the villain” trope has been done in a handful of movies (Broken Arrow, Mission Impossible, Goldeneye) and it’s always really compelling to see the hero use what the villain has taught him and get the upper hand. The V twist ruins this in mg1 by saying, “well that Big Boss was this other guy”. It was a much better story when it was all one guy.

[@corbincompton2966]

i feel like it’s weird because it’s when he is supposed to be snake he isn’t he’s silent except for when he knows what big boss would do

[@dgruthless2696]

Honestly great game played all of the metal gears and I honestly like venom more then big boss

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

With time Venom has definitely earned his spot in the franchise as A favourite, thanks for the comment appreciate it👏

[@solidsnake5317]

I still play this till this day and my only complaints is that I wish the story would have been more polished than what we got. More cutscenes. Gameplay is just perfect. Could’ve ended with your role switching to Solid Snake to go defeat Venom and crash everything you’ve built as diamond dogs and mother base. Snakes voice was good because he wasn’t Big Boss/ Solid Snake. It worked.

[@tumblingmuffin1967]

I honestly like Kiefer as Venom. I don’t think he’s as fitting for Snake as a whole as Hayter, but he did do a great job when he did speak especially with the “From the Man Who Sold the World” cassette at the end of the game. I’d love a remake of the original Metal Gear 1 with Kiefer Venom and Hayter Solid Snake since it’s canon that Venom dies in Metal Gear 1 doing his job as Big Boss’ body double

[@Miyakolover]

Well, not that I finished the video...I will say that I don't think there isn't a "chapter 3 and chapter 4" (yes, I know there is a title card or Chapter 3, but I don't think it was meant to be for anything other than post nuclear disarmament ending). Aside from mission 51, I don't think MGSV left "many unanswered questions" or atleast questions that other games in the series didn't already answer...it was just the story of how Big Boss army of Outer Heaven was built (by his phantom in his imagine) and how it connects to the first Metal Gear on MSX. I will agree that mission 51 would have added more of "climactic" feel to the story though.

[@mynameisNeo369]

This is a treat to wake up to! Earned my subscription. Just finished this game a few days ago, well mostly. Need to get s ranks on lots of missions. Then, time to replay it again😅

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

Appreciate the comment thank you✌️. Game is so addicting easily the best Stealth action game gameplay wise out there. Some days I just can’t put it down😅

[@rpd6874]

I love this game to death, It was the first game I ever heard the name of Metal Gear and Kojima, after that I played all of the rest, still have V with 50 mods Installed .

[@JPDD2]

I would like for keifer to come back tbh

[@Kitarraman]

The algorithm started recommending some good content! Props to you 2PhoneTyphoon. I liked your essay, even if I've never warmed to Venom. Probably due to how half-assed the bait and switch felt at the moment on the ultimate Metal Gear Solid.

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

Appreciate the support 🫡 that's alright venom snake is character that you either love or hate how you see him is totally up to you

[@SketchPaint]

After watching this video i just got sad that mgv was the only mgs game.i played that i actually got bored of. Hated the story and didnt pick it up again unlike the previous games that i still play

[@viktorschneidt471]

I interpret the ending as a messageof Kojima telling "everyone can be Big Boss...incuding you the player"

[@ricardomiles2957]

7:28 Something you come to realize after revisiting Peace Walker after V is that the deceive was obvious, because Big Boss(Naked Snake) ALREADY became a full villain by the end of Peace Walker boss battle, rejecting the boss and her will and in the true ending where Big Boss openly says they will whatever job it takes for their sake of their own need for war, Like in the orginal two metal gears

[@crimsonhawk4912]

Than your for this, I played the game because I was bored and didn't realize how fuckn amazing it was. My friend and I skipped it because of all the Konami drama and it didn't look interesting. I was so wrong.

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

Thanks for commenting👏 glad you got into the game easily one of my favourite Stealth action games gameplay wise even if the story is a little messy😅

[@cracktalestuff1176]

Damn i really wish they had finished the game, there was so much potential. Great video btw.

[@samuelantoniocastillomeza5034]

I like Venom but definetly he would have benefited a lot of more use of Kiefer's voice and also being completely his own developed independent character instead trying to also make him an avatar for the player, IMO.

[@evilsworn2901]

Maybe we'll get a Fox engine reboot like MGS delta with a story and finishing the game

[@kevinbaumhoer7359]

I never got the Backlash for Venom Snake what we will play a Body double was known for at least at what point in time known since 20 years or so ever since the OG Metal gear . After it was reveald what this games is the FInal part befor the OG Metal gear starts . the people who hated this there people who never knew the full story if these had even looked it Up onlinen about the OG Metal Gear story the twist was already out

[@csgosh-tter]

i do like david hayter but if naked snake and venom snake had a different voice to solid snake would be VERY USEFUL

[@Jack_Mercer]

The only thing that I hated about Venom Snake and still do is that despite being supposedly a 1 to 1 copy of Big Boss, there are way too many differiences, which immidiatley made long time fans question if it really is Big Boss. It's the little stuff that, well... Cumulated. Scars? Meh, patriots could've gave Big Boss some facial reconstruction, so that's why in 4 he's got no scars, same for the arm, it's most likely a cybernetic prosthetic. Not remembering things and remembering some of them, well... He got a shrapnel in the head, possibly altering his memories somewhat. Then there's... Skills. First red flag. Venom remembers CQC, knows how to shoot and generally be, well... Like Big Boss, but doesn't remember how to speak russian? First red flag. Second red flag, which is mentioned in the video, is how little he talks. Third red flag, and funnly enough, biggest of them all is his hairstyle and eyepatch. Big Boss always weared a mullet and a two-strapped eyepatch, no matter the weather condition (some people thought he's wearing a ponytail because of hot temperatures in Afghanistan lol) and the same eyepatch since MGS3 (or he replaced it with a new one but always two strapped). When I completed the game, learning the "truth", I wasn't surprised because of those differiences. Somethings didn't add up and it was confirmed. If only Kojima would let us customize Venom himself, not the avatar, the reveal (at least to me) would be more impactful. Things like undersuit under fatigues, two-strapped eyepatch with a mullet and a black prosthetic to match the undersuit would cover up the truth more, to me anyways. That's why I bought the game 3rd time on PC to make this idea a reality (mods), and it works so well, you'd think those small differiences wouldn't make a differience but they do. Visions of Venom Snake are from his perspective only, yes, although there's one thing that makes his visions into a reality somewhat - reaction from his soldiers. I don't remember specifically if it happens when you develop a nuclear bomb or if you get to the last stage of Venom's "demonic state", but your soldiers will react to you. Their tone will shift, making it seem like they're afraid of you, so it's not everything in Venom's head per se. Overall Venom Snake is a cool character, with a missing potential for both the cover up and being his own character.

[@DakotaSshow]

I've always thought it was weird how nice Ocelot is in this game. I know he really admires Big Boss and all, and would have to maintain a facade of admiring Venom Snake acting as Big Boss, but I'm so used to Ocelot antagonizing the shit out of me in every other Metal Gear Solid game.

[@johnhall8116]

Man, we need a special edition of MGS V with Ground Zeroes voiced by David Hayter but keep Kiefer Sutherland in The Phantom Pain and re-record lines in The Phantom Pain where Big Boss is talking by David. Just make the game even wilder and throw us in Mission 51.

[@Miyakolover]

I'd like to comment on this whole "Your character is supposed to be evil thing"...if you want to portray "evil" realistically, then you need to understand that people you percieve as "evil" don't view themselves as such, but rather they perceive themselves as good guys. Even the worst of war criminals on earth like Hitler and Stalin for example, had humane sides to them and do good deeds from time to time (like how Venom is rescuing animals and helping children)....the fact he seems himself as a "demon" seems to be a manifestation of his inner guilt towards some things he had to do. When it comes to it, most "monsters" view their opposition as the monsters and vice versa...also lets not forget the fact that Venom Snake was thrown into the role of the "demon" he didn't ask for and that probably explains his mannerisms and why he "Waits for the player's input" as you put it.

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

Great input and I can see where your coming from, for snake too see himself as a demon and mannerisms shows hints of a Deep Run trauma from the ground zeroes incident snake couldn’t face. And it feels dissapointing because eventually venom was supposed to go back to the same Camp omega from ground zeroes to face his demon but that got scrapped as well, wonderful input✌️

[@Miyakolover]

@@2PhoneTyphoon Well, I actually looked into the whole "return to camp Omega" thing when the game initially came out and that turned out to be a mistranslation on the journalist's part. What Kojima meant at the time was the game's save data from GZ can influence some aspect of TTP (since you can upload it to TTP). But I do agree having camp Omega in TTP might have served as a good plot point.

[@THiggins130388]

One of the very few games I've 100%'d

[@spurnd]

Kaz 3:16 For Big Boss so loved the world, that he gave his three begotten Sons, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but be Fultoned to Outer Heaven.

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

AMEN DIAMOND DOG🙏 Appreciate the comment

[@yoman8027]

Venom Snake was created to justify Big Boss surviving the first Metal Gear game.

[@lewylewy2483]

Quait can be recruited again

[@2ndplayeruser]

I mean, from the (almost) beginning, we were given hints that Venom snake wasn't the original Big Boss. Midge Ure's cover of "The Man Who sold the World", fail screens when you throw your men off the edge in MB and how Ocelot says you may not actually be the real Big Boss or something like that. Anyway, I'm glad he's better liked now than he was

[@kynaston1474]

I loved Venom from the start. He is the best of the Snakes. He gives the most, is the toughest, and you gotta love a guy that rescues animals from the battlefield.

[@lex_4242]

Actually peace walker is considered 5 by kojima and the v in mgsv stands for venom he said tho on his twitter long ago

[@slidersides]

David could’ve voiced Big Boss and the other guy should’ve voiced venom

[@Gaz66d]

INITAL THOUGHT: (Before watching the video completely) My thoughts, and “dislike” of the Venom Snake (don’t get me wrong though I like him just fine cos I kinda saw the twist coming a literal mile away and wasn’t invested in believing I was BB) but through it all- from MGS3 to MGSPW, BB’s journey to the darkside was looking pretty good (not like “good” but I guess, justifiable?) they were painting up a picture of how much BB went through in order to save the world, just to keep getting betrayed and it was looking like he was actually going to be a sympathetic villain, I wanted to see what would finally push his hand… pulling that trigger on nuclear Armageddon. When MGS:GZ dropped I played it immediately. I needed to know… turns out it was a 10 minute demo. I was pissed. The betrayal. Also- the destruction of mother base and what they did to Paz, despite her role in PW I’m like nah, she didn’t deserve all THAT. I’d probably have gone into Vengeance mode at that point. Instead, though… we get to play as Medic. A blank canvas who doesn’t have Boss’ motives. It felt like, we weren’t getting to see the most important part of BB’s journey. We were seeing the induction of Medic, who- for all we know- was merely that. A medic. No sins. No betrayal by the CIA, FOX, The Pentagon… never had to kill his mentor in a field of Bethlehem Star flowers. It’s like he’s just an innocent bystander trying to save lives one minute, and pulled into this LaLiLuLeLo bullshit the next. And he’s not the one that is making any of the decisions either. He’s just given a role to play on an oil rig for a PMC while others yell over comms about who to kill/abduct/rescue. That’s not BBs journey. Maybe BB already reached the final straw when they blew up Paz and attacked Mother Base. But it felt “incomplete” Then we had to play through an incomplete feeling game as someone who wasn’t even the target of all these Cypher attacks. And he’s just meant to fill the role of BB without ever having to endure it. It felt so… false? Like someone pretending to be a veteran and faking how they lost a leg in Afghanistan. Except he’s been implanted with memories that he was there. Medic is the victim, it’s worse than a sympathetic villain, he didn’t even know why he was doing half the stuff. At least if it was BB it would be like he KNOWS why he’s pulling the trigger. But medic only thinks he knows because of what he’s been implanted with and everything everyone else has told him is his “mission” The Boss laid down her life pretending to be the bad guy without needing to be hypnotized, she just followed her duty. She knew everything she’d sacrificed, everyone she’d loved, raised, lost… and any future plans she had would have to be abandoned. This was the mission. To die so that War wouldn’t break out. Venom was just a tool. He was basically told to do all that so he could be the “Big Bad” so that Outer Heaven would have a figurehead. He wasn’t the one I wanted to see… I wanted to learn about Saladin, not Ahab. Not Ishmael. I wanted to sympathize with him about what kinda world he sought to create while the rest of the world continued to spin all these stories of how “big boss was the ultimate soldier” and “ big boss was the ultimate evil” while still going, Browns, rescuing war orphans, and things

[@Gaz66d]

FINAL THOUGHT: I think that this video somehow said the same things as I went into it thinking… there were a lot of things I found myself thinking “that’s exactly how I felt” But I wanted to get all my thoughts down in advance in the event this was the case- so I could put my “uninfluenced thoughts” down ahead of time to see if the video would change my mind. Altogether the video did a great job summing up my relationship with Venom, and I wasn’t upset about the voice change. It was jarring how un-snake-like he sounded… but to me it made sense. If you have Snake voicing Snavid AND his Dad, why not just have Hayter voice Liquid and Solidus? You wouldn’t… because they’re different people! I felt like they should have just had a different VA for MGS3 from the offset, but that game also had a bait and switch, two in fact. Every MGS has had a bait and switch… you want to play as Snake? Ok, for a while… oops now you’re this Barbie Doll Boy named Raiden. You want to play as Raiden? Ok but JK ITS Snavid in a mask! Oh you were ok with that? DOUBLE BLUFF he has his eye shot out! It was really Big Boss! You wanna play as BB? Ok, this is BB… JK it’s Snavid again, and he’s old! They can’t do that “bait and switch” if the VA is someone else from the get go, the fans know something is up. The end of MGS 4 where BB appears in the Graveyard, the surprise is performed flawlessly. But that VA had to be someone else… they can’t BOTH be voiced by Hayter. In an ideal “timeline” you would play Snake Eater right after MGS4 Like BB’s first mission and life flashing before his eyes, like if you watched Star Wars Episode 2 and 3 right after that “I *am* your father” part… the reveal showing the previous entries like a flashback. In that order you can have a New VA be introduced to voice “Jack” as he becomes “naked snake” and wiggles his way through the jungle of Tselinoyarsk. But Kojima likes to try and fan-bait by making us think that the “snake” we’re playing as is the one that we WANT to play as just before he pulls the curtain back. Every metal gear solid has done this from the minute we see a glimpse of a trailer. I kinda wish that Jack was voiced by the same person, or maybe son of the person who voices him in MGS4… it’s easy to age up your voice, but sounding younger than you are is hard (especially if you’re already ancient) they could have handled the transition better. Cos imagine the intrude N313 remake with Solid Snake facing down BB and both Big Boss on the Comms and the one you fight, AND Snavid all sound the bloody same. Who’s talking rn? Idk… hope their heads aren’t pixelated polygons nodding with no lip sync. Hayter can’t voice EVERYONE, he’s not Decoy Octopus.

[@tacteletubie]

Venom snake is my 2 fav whould be 1 but solid snake takes it only because of nostalgia

[@SoullessMadness]

Fans weren't ready for the kind of performance they got at the time!? We didn't get jackshit from Sutherland's performance.

[@carlofettuccine1367]

No disrespect but kiefer's voice is just way better in my opinion than that over exaggerated voice of david.

[@jupiter8561]

Ocelot: The days of Naked Snake are gone. Welcome back, Eeyore😂🐴

[@xharerae]

There's also one big problem which... no one seems to notice? It is that making a mentally impaired demon-looking leader of a giant pmc who's believed by the outside world to be the "bad guy" into an antagonist of MG1987 doesn't really make sense Like, considering the fact that Kaz wanted to make both Venom and Solid stronger in order to surpass Big Boss, the fact that someone like Venom by the time of 1995 WOULD likely have a WHOLE nation compared to the already big pmc we have in MGSV, instead of Big Boss, who was basically working in the shadows this whole time(pretty sure it would be hard to stay undetected and grow a nation the size of Diamond Dogs, not even talking about Zanzibar Land), and ESPECIALLY considering the fact that Big Boss is not the type of guy to have child soldiers on his base(Chico was just a result of an unfortunate coincidence) Venom on the other hand, is. Especially with Kaz around. All im saying is, that Venom makes more sense to be the leader of Zanzibar Land, rather than Outer Heaven. Also, realistically speaking, if Big Boss is the leader of Zanzibar Land, the difference in how he looks compared to Venom wouldn't go unnoticed by Solid, this guy WOULD BE asking questions. On the other hand, if it would be Venom, there's already an explanation for his prostethic hand in-game, despite that explanation originally being just a callback to Snake's Revenge.

[@xharerae]

Plus, firey skinless Venom from the trailer.

[@bradleydias425]

Venom is just the player. I love venoms story. But obviously the writing is not excellent of the last game

[@Forget1987]

If you didn't know that was big boss at the begging idk what to say to you... anyways what happened to his shrapnel in his head?

[@user-ui4jf3ke5s]

Solidus!!

[@Gundam1854]

But I like V much more than others.

[@dawidkwiatkowski877]

Not the Boss we wanted, but the Boss we needed

[@noahfarooqi4400]

Gameplay wise amazing but the story has nothing to do with metal gear lore 😔

[@SketchPaint]

MGSV made me stop being a fan. However...im giddgy as a school girl for the new mgs delta 😍

[@Truekingr6]

So does anyone know why did kaz go back to the army when the real big boss was a leader in foxhound

[@mooganify]

Well it’s not really hard to work out why

[@fahads.suliman5986]

No one wanted mute medic avatar boss.. even the storytelling was off

[@VogtTD]

Budget had nothing to do with it. Venom talked plenty, but it was all in casette tapes. It was a deliberate choice, and a dumb one imo. I think they were going for the sort of silent protagonist of of school gaming, just like Snake in the original MG.

[@MegaSolidninja]

Oh no.... It's RAIDEN not RAYDEN

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

My fault man I’ve been playing too much mortal Kombat😅. Probably been playing too much gonna need to turn the game console off now

[@mist12345678910]

I get it confused too after because of mortal kombat

[@ocelothayes9452]

Because David wasn’t the voice .. duh

[@bjoernfischer]

bro, his name is RAIden

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

Like I said in another comment my bad, I’ve been playing a little too much mortal Kombat as of recent😅

[@ZeTus58]

Venom is the best Snake: an ordinary soldier loyal to BB till the end.

[@maulkiller10]

Wtf naked snake is big boss?

[@aracoonwithalaptop6183]

No shit

[@suckassmork2972]

🤯

[@maulkiller10]

@@aracoonwithalaptop6183 😂

[@maulkiller10]

Great user name

[@mrsamuel5572]

So you just born yesterday huh

[@UNITGJ]

I thought this snake was a fake made by the actual big boss 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@matthewlasala4360]

Personally I’m still salty that we didn’t play as the real Big Boss. To me V is just a story that never needed to be told. Gameplay is top tier but the story is complete and utter trash to me.

[@TheAfterglowProject]

I can tell when a reviewer of Metal gear has never played metal gear. They pronounce raiden’s name wrong. Like the pronunciation is hammered in over and over and over in mgs2.

[@2PhoneTyphoon]

3rd comment I mentioned this, I was playing a lot of Mortal Kombat 1 as of recent. I mixed up the pronounciation of Raiden And it was honestly just a mistake my fault 😅

[@RossOfRoni]

Venom is Quiet

[@Armzed1]

I really hope we get a game where we play as Solid Snake,remakes of metal gear 1 or 2 ...or even a brand new story,set in a time between metal gear 2 and metal gear solid. We didnt get enough of Solid Snake....yeah he made a return in MGS 4 but they made him old,i would of preffered Solid Snake in MGS 2 but we got Raiden,MGS 3 Big boss,MGS 5 Venom Snake.....Gimme David bro,we want David.

[@AndresGrimace]

Too many secondary missions and repeated main missions...

[@KC-zw7ly]

The "truth" episode would have been such a better twist had hayter voiced the real big boss

[@mrbrex95]

It still sucks, Kojima went full stupid with the whole doppelganger crap

[@CeltaCapotado]

Liquid photo... gotcha

[@mrbrex95]

@@CeltaCapotado liquid photo?

[@MegaSolidninja]

100% agree

[@Evin07]

​@@mrbrex95"Snake... Did you like my sunglasses?"

[@MusicForTheBroken]

@@mrbrex95he’s referencing that your profile photo from MGS1 is Liquid Snake lying about being “Master Miller.” I mean he has a point. This series is based on espionage.

[@CHamlin86]

The character of Venom Snake was a hard pill to swallow, narratively. They made it a point in the game that this character was originally a medic and Big Boss' most trusted lieutenant, whose skills were every bit as good as Big Boss himself. The problem is that this character comes out of nowhere. Ultimately, my problem with this game is that same problem I have with Portable Ops and Peace Walker: the extended adventures of Big Boss from 1964 to the present are not tales worth telling. MGS3 already did an excellent job at setting up Big Boss to become the character he would be later in the timeline, there was no need to elaborate any further.

[@Ntwadumela266]

It’s a meta move - the medic is the player Kojima would respond with the medic was there the whole time, the medic is the player. The player becomes part of the big boss legend. But I get what you mean still, on a non meta pov, it’s out of nowhere

[@TheManiacc45]

Initially? I still do reject him and as a huge MGS fan, MGSV is the worst in the main series for me

[@AlexTapisevic]

Really never were a fan of Hayter's fake overacted voice... But complaining about Jack Bauer Sutherland's voice?? C'mmon!!

[@Forget1987]

Catch the whale

[@aroccoification]

Nah they rejected venom because it was poorly written and not a well developed character. Super cool idea poor execution

[@Pedro-xz6wt]

in my heart, venom's the one who saved sniper wolf and gray fox.

[@PunishedSnakeV]

Nice headcanon

[@ak-qd2jk]

i never rejected venom, venom > big boss i think most fans that reject him are mgs 3 babies, i love mgs3 but the mgs3 fanbase is garbage, also V is finished

[@joshuar3632]

The game it's self was fun but the story is confusing. Your playing as a brainwashed medic with surgery made to look like big boss? Venom was bad ass. Went from field medic to total combat mad man. Puts everyone in thier place be it man. Child. Or even animal

[@christianvachon9709]

I love Venom Snake

[@ITNEPress]

Venom rules

[@elcesaru]

I rejected the whole game wtf is this shiet.

[@lewylewy2483]

Either way, the game is awesome

[@justingindhart3493]

Talking about the voice acting and dialog is exactly why this game is the worst MGS. The story is a flaming pile of dog shit filled in with venom's blank silence