Metal Talk

[@thecasiorobinson]

Nik try not to put Sleep Token in his thumbnails challenge level impossible

[@haygax5767]

Crazy how much metal has evolved. I certainly feel that Mick Gordon had a HUGE impact on the way metal is produced/perceived now, as crazy is that is to say. I’m so excited to see how this genre continues to evolve.

[@MiaR_96]

Oh most definitely. I literally got into Doom because of Mick Gordon, and thus back into listening to metal on a daily basis. I'm just trying to chill and enjoy metal, both old and new lol.

[@knightartorias7043]

Mick is the entire reason I'm in such love with metal, and I come from a background of mindless "whatever was popular at the time" music. Which, no hate to those that enjoy pop and trap, was not a time I'd like to go back to. Can't wait to see where we go from here. :)

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

It's evolved some but djent is pretty much metal's final form

[@charlesray2249]

Without meshuggah there wouldn’t be Mick Gordon

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

Meshuggah and periphery are way more influential than mick Gordon

[@colewilliams6623]

I am someone who came along at the very end of Gen X (46) I have said this many times, "You ether evolve with time, or you will get left behind". Most people from my era cannot and outright refuse to say that. I love some bands from the 80's, 90's and beyond. Crue got me into metal, and now I listen to everything from Slipknot, Bad Omens, Sleep Token, Slaughter to Prevail, and many more! Keeping an open mind is paramount to discovering new music!

[@7ChaosBlack]

Crue is unironically better than all the garbo you just mentioned.

[@ddodarell]

Same age, same story brother. Plus, being able to play guitar along with your favorite songs with just an iPad, has only made my passion for new and old music so much more special.

[@may_beck6224]

same age bracket and I couldn't agree more I dont think one is better than the other they are different and I love watching the progression

[@HonkeyKongLive]

You gotta pick some bands that aren't on the radio

[@david_lynch_gaming]

man there's actually good metal out there that also evolved too yknow

[@EmoSupremo-h9f]

Fun! MeTaL! THINGS!!!!!

[@DumbMetalHead7]

Eughhhhhhhh

[@FrogToRuleThemAll]

Got the bmth keyboard

[@7ChaosBlack]

There is no metal on this channel, only mallcore.

[@justvibingman496]

You can hear alot of nu metal and metalcore influences in todays metal, its like reliving my childhood all over again except im in my 20s

[@Lamenter69]

I remember when Melissa Cross brought out the dvd called Zen Of Screaming in 2005, i bought it thinking it would be crazy vocal techniques, but it just turned out to be regular singing lessons and warm ups, one embarrasing sing lesson later my growls got deeper, my vocals became better, i had better breath control and i could hit more ranges. The history of metal vocals evolving im pretty sure starts with Melissa Cross the GOAT

[@EonSlumber]

She was booked for a decade.

[@SEVEN_DUCK]

Nu metal, alternative metal and metalcore from the 2000's made me the man i am today but i also love modern metal and new fun metal shit that comes out today. Its okay to like both eras

[@7ChaosBlack]

Modern metal isn't metal, it's just mallcore.

[@WSDoesStuff]

@@7ChaosBlack You are the problem

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@WSDoesStuff I'm not the one who pretends an offshoot of hxc and post-hxc is metal. That's all on Nik and his scene kid army.

[@bladempale1751]

@@WSDoesStuffit’s the truth though Quit calling it metal. Literally just cheesier hardcore.

[@WSDoesStuff]

@@bladempale1751 hard-core is still metal. Quit gatekeeping

[@pastromer8552]

meshuggah and periphery deciding to make the sound that people would use and manipulate for the next 16 years be like: 🥶

[@gonzoe123]

I keep seeing people talk about Mick Gordon, but Meshuggah and Periphery had a significantly stronger influence in my opinion

[@pastromer8552]

@@gonzoe123 its true, Mick Gordon wouldnt exist in the form he does if Meshuggah didnt exist

[@redfoxxx9997]

Vildhjarta has entered the chat

[@grimg0r]

why do people forget about after the burial? they were right next to periphery when they first started in terms of that meshuggah influenced sound

[@7ChaosBlack]

Tf you talking about. Meshuggah's sound is 30 years old and Periphery made a career being a xerox of Sikth and Tesseract who are a xerox of Meshuggah.

[@hypn0sphere]

Nik: what era of metal you like the most? Me: all of them.

[@clerxvr]

Nik you inspired me to play guitar today I just learned walk by pantera and the solo thanks for inspiring me also to get into metal

[@clerxvr]

I’m also 11 and my fav bands are as I lay dying 5-7-8 for life and bfmv and slaughter to prevail

[@G.O.A.T-wm4pk]

@@clerxvr yo, i am a drummer

[@loganheidrick3719]

Dude a Pantera solo at 11? He'll yeah keep it up dude!

[@clerxvr]

@@G.O.A.T-wm4pk do you live near Wisconsin?

[@isaacclose8828]

@@loganheidrick3719 ay he's 11 let's watch the language jkjk but a pantera solo at 11 is insanely good! Dimebag was amazing!

[@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541]

My main problem with mainstream metal nowadays is that the production can get so obnoxiously clean, that it just stops being heavy, like, it stops being organic, I'm not asking for the music to sound like it was recorded through an old radio, but i do want my music to sound like it was actually made by human beings with passion for what they are playing

[@vaidotasdarulis]

I bet the stuff you like is also obnoxiously clean but you just like the music and tones themselves. Name some of your favourite recent albums

[@RockandMetal-u9x]

bla bla bla 🙄 You're acting like all music nowadays is created by aliens or some kinda shit 😂

[@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541]

@@RockandMetal-u9x rush rope and chair build irl

[@jishwagent]

It’s all good. I’m only 23 but grew up listening to it all too, love everything now and then

[@matp8479]

I’m stuck in 2000-2000 nu metal phase. Love the old 578 but the new stuff too.

[@matthew9341]

I still remember hearing Bullet With A Name for the first time playing WWE: Smackdown vs Raw 2007 and being absolutely blown away

[@lilredjellybean]

I grew up as a Warped Tour kid, it's crazy to see how things have evolved. I feel like metal isn't as "raw" anymore, it's cleaner and more produced, like you were saying. There's a hell of a lot of variations now though, so everyone can find something they like.

[@pranakhan]

I started with old school Slayer and Pantera in my early teens (90's), with a transition into Industrial Rock (NIN, Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, SWANS) and then full experimental noise beat when the drugs kicked in; Einstruzende Neubauten, Download, Autechre, etc. I hear many of those industrial ideas in modern metal, and that evolution makes sense to me

[@randywissler9923]

Drummers started doing jazz and metal. Dave Lombardo and Gar Samuelson: did ya'll forget about us? 😂

[@brandonharris9160]

And Sean Reinert from Cynic and Death. Good comment 👍

[@isaacclose8828]

@@brandonharris9160 Bill Ward of Black Sabbath played jazz too, although he wasn't doing metal drumming in the way we think of it today

[@bladempale1751]

This guy literally doesn’t know anything about metal

[@randywissler9923]

@@bladempale1751 you referring about me or Nik?

[@isaacclose8828]

@@randywissler9923 Or me? Perhaps himself?

[@TheMillennialGardener]

Nik, you have to react to Starset's "new" song 'Brave New World.' Starset may not normally your style, but this is a shocking level of *heavy* for them. I'm a fan of theirs, and this caught me totally off-guard and blew my mind. The riff is literally terrifying. You will *not* be disappointed.

[@evansbeard]

This is a good analysis. I always tell people how much technology shapes music.

[@MrShadez810]

I literally couldn’t believe the production change, so quickly, in metal between 2010 - 2015 even. You’ve made so many damn good points in this video, as much as some people will hate on that. I remember I tried to get a metalcore band off in 2010, wrote several songs that were decent enough but then we all got full time jobs with different schedules then that was it. It just faded. I then tried again in 2014 but could only get me (bassist/guitarist) and our main vocalist from the last band , but not the lyricist. So I had to now be the main lyricist. We teamed up with a great unknown producer in my city who I was friends with between different crowds and he just worked with me and my buddy for barely any time before he produced a 80% programmed killer track for us to write and lay down vocals on top. It was actually astounding how little we effed around with just a few ideas and he just went to work and produced this great track as a demo, literally primed for a vocal recording. I was hoping for more input instrumentally tbh. Technology has now made it so that rock/metal producers can be hip-hop producers and that’s exciting and scary. I see both sides as a fan and an incredibly low rank musician a long time ago. The changing world of music technology just means the fans need to be more supportive in smaller genres and spend less time bitching about the stuff that catches more main stream attention and also be thankful for the insane level of variety available when you just dig a little bit into the wonderful and vast genre of metal

[@bjwaters]

Meanwhile, I'm over in the power metal corner, blissfully unaware of these things. Seriously, though, there is nothing wrong with picking up newer production techniques. Saxon and Judas Priest put out some great albums this year, and they're trucking along like it's still 1982. Thanks to the internet, music genres have certainly gotten diverse, but there will always be those bands that still do the things you love. You just have to look for them.

[@MeowReapZ]

I have never gotten to a nik video so quickly.

[@oleksiistri8429]

electronic music and metal began way earlier than Linkin Park. In 80s, Ministry, NIN, a bunch of 80's prog.metal bands used electronics in their music too

[@spuldup]

"Everything's awesome cuz we still have F***** Breakdowns!" I exhaled out of my nose on that one.

[@Remmy-iq3bs]

As an older Metal head. It’s interesting to see Metal evolve. Love how it’s gotten a bit harder more breakdowns but seems to be missing some deepness sometimes. Have to shout out love for NIN. Thanks Nik. I’ve always wondered if you like Grunge?

[@lttledreamer]

my metal journey really started with the classic thrash and death metal of the 80s so that stuff will always have a special place in my heart, but i think the era that speaks to me the most is late 90s/2000s metal because of how experimental and fun everything got. i also think this is why i am now Really enjoying all the newer metal that’s been coming out, because it feels like another rebirth of the genre. i’ll always respect the classics but what’s been done since then is so sick

[@hannakoller8466]

honestly I love genre blending and complex music so it's a great time for me but I also like discovering other styles from older times when I wasn't listening to a lot of music or wasn't even born yet

[@MrScrofulous]

Nik - guitar solos aren't a thing today Adam de Micco - can you see me ?

[@Blottski]

I’m just really enjoying this era even as someone who also grew up with that nostalgia trip you mentioned. From LP to BFMV and everything that fit in between back then, to how my tastes have expanded these days. I truly love how VAST Metalcore itself is in general with bands from Northlane to something that is just a more modernized version of Metalcore in Bury Tomorrow. Sprinkle in the crazy off the board stuff BMTH keeps putting out and I feel like I’ve been eating good.

[@loki3292]

I've been playing music of some form for 44 years. It's exciting to see my beloved metal evolve, and even more exciting to see these young pups doing things on their instrument that would have Eddie Van Halen's jaw drop. I've never gotten good enough to be anything but a hobbyist, but these new players are phenomenal.

[@bobaque70]

I see that 1 million plaque in the background.Congrats on your KZbin accomplishments Nik!

[@lordgigapiller]

Didn't know mirar was getting big. You love to see it

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

We need more early 2000's era Metalcore revival. OSDM revival scene has been awesome, same with the Black-Death scene. I like production variation in what I listen to, why bands like Black Cilice (cavernous lo-fi BM) get played right alongside the new Ulcerate or JFAC or TBDM, some of my projects I still mic my amp because that's the sound that's needed. Sky's the limit in a lot of ways.

[@piggman2285]

I’m a much newer metal fan, being introduced to metal through bands like A7x or Slipknot through my brothers, but as I’ve become more into newer metal it’s a lot easier for me to really live in it in comparison to the 2000s metalcore that I wasn’t around for. Because of the fact that I didn’t live through those bands I am not as fully connected or likened to that type of music. Ofc I love all types of metal but being younger allows me to really live in the current scene.

[@thatAli84]

Metal in 2024 : Fun MeTHALL things !!!

[@darkwulf2k]

My metal journey started with Metallica, Slayer, Tool, Linkin Park, Disturbed, and then went into Killswitch Engage, Dream Theater, In Flames. Then I went into power metal like Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Within Temptation. Now I do metalcore as my big genre with Ice Nine Kills, Asking Alexandria, We Came as Romans, and Alt metal like Smash Into Pieces. Just discover Versus Me, who are metalcore, and Sick Century who I am not quite sure how to catagorize. I just like metal period. Is best music.

[@PolarityMetal]

I just won't ever accept that music was better back then just because of 'lack' of good production. We live in an age where I can record a whole song with drums, guitar, voice and bass and full production with just a laptop, a mic and a guitar. That's huge, and as much as I appreciate records like The Cleansing for their rawness, I love recording crap at home

[@reidiculous4747]

When you were talking about your music discovery path it was like you were speaking for me hahaha

[@lar_4812]

I definitely agree with everything you said, but to me the 90s and 2000s will always be my favorite 🎶

[@With__Humor]

Actually "What the fuck is Mirar?!"

[@lucasieger1966]

Music for bed time...

[@rompundex]

@@lucasieger1966 yes i listen to it while resting and focusing

[@gomaaren]

I've jokingly called it squeegeecore, but MIRAR member Leo himself seems to refer to it as "thallstep" in the titles of his most recent videos

[@With__Humor]

@@gomaaren Yeah, I saw that and thallstep is a good description, but I thought of Mirar as Really Low-Fi

[@-Ruben]

It's Looking in spanish

[@MaxWasher-w7r]

The titles vibe: Son, there comes a time in every future metalheads life when he craves harder rock. Sure ot might only start with black sabbath but over time you listen to thrash, hardcore, death metal, black metal, grindcore esc. Just know, these changes are completley normal. Oh how do i know you are a future metal head? its all in the genes.

[@theotrovato8250]

Music is sound, sound makes me happy. No more no less

[@pouyanbeigzadeh-u6p]

anything that makes me headbang makes me happy no more overthinking

[@Dontreadme]

Thank you dying wish for keeping 2000's metalcore alive 🤘

[@sighswoons]

I always describe to people that growing up in the 2000s gateway mainstream metal was KSE, August Burns Red, and the Asking Alexandra stand up and scream debut (the bible of 578 0-0-0-0-0 ) I don't listen to metalcore anymore but it was a great gateway into hardcore and other types of metal that I listen to now!

[@painterofthehappiness4578]

metalcore, powermetal and partially nu metal are by far my favorite metal subgenres because of the mix of heaviness and relatively clean vocals

[@MoZ1899]

i love how there's so many variations of metal today for everyone to enjoy. idc what anyone says - if you like oldschool metal, go ahead, listen to them & find new bands that have that sound and if you like the newer style, then good for you. we don't need ppl's validations to have fun

[@NoLimitHonky]

I've said it before on many of your videos, and honestly I was a hater for a lot of newer stuff that was 'mainstream' metal on Octane or Liquid Metal where yeah, some was cool but I knew there had to be something deeper going on. I found this page and my love for br00tz and all things core was reignited once I could watch a few N.N. videos and pull up Spoopifoo and add all this shit to a playlist and from there recommendations on that platform will give you endless options of what you never even knew existed, and not it's your favorite band, genre, whatever. So, big props to you for being honest and fair across the board and not 'gatekeeping' the genre, especially with how much influence you wield nowadays. To your second point about how the music 'sounds', my old band recorded an EP over the course of about 2 years, in the early 10's, and at that time working with the engineer and producer, I realized just how GOOD music can sound when recorded properly and since then I've become a little snobby when the music 'isn't' pristine and perfect, as you said in this video. I want to be able to play it at god-tier levels on any set of speakers or my car or headphones and it sound PERFECT. And frankly I'm glad we're there, and even more glad Spotify and other platforms are working to give us lossless audio, which is going to be another game changer, as 1411k vs. 320k is a WORLD of difference, even if you don't realize it yet. 5 years ago I never thought a band like Polyphia or Bad Omens would top my Spotify lists but here we are, and I'm all the happier for it.

[@rz5260]

I think the fact that i've seen this video yesterday, i dreamed with nik with a bass in an slavic film. The most funny is that Nik was actually very happy and couldn't stop flexing. Strange dream but, it was sooo weird and funny 😂

[@wolfgang7350]

We need a metal version of bowling for soups 1986

[@icemaster-]

I like new metal and old metal.

[@CalebHimself]

Listen to hardcore, this is the best time now more than ever. Sick riffs, sick breakdowns, and so many good bands out there.

[@TempleGuitars]

I don't know about all this "...and then guitarists/drummers/vocalists started getting better". While modern metal is definitely an incredibly skilful genre utilising a wide range of new techniques, I think crusty old shredders in the 80s definitely weren't worse. I'm sure if you gace Paul Gilbert a 15 minute thumping lesson, he'd have invented Tosin music before Tosin. I don't think "better" is the standard or the right word. Just different. I still listen to Judas Priest from the 80s, and I was listening to Polyphia a minute ago. It's all good.

[@damsaucy]

yeah i love nik but man knows nothing outside of metalcore. the shit that oldhead death and prog musicians were doing is still insane. "better" is comparative, modern musicians have shoulders to stand on. (they're still fucking godly ofc)

[@colinwhelan2099]

@@damsaucy I mean he kinda clears it up at the end where he talks about how there's just more stuff to mix and match and take inspiration from. Which is very very true.

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

The songwriting has gotten so much worse and I absolutely hate the production of most new metal albums it's way too pristine. Most of the guitarists are more interested in creating extremely complex parts instead of memorable riffs and solos

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@colinwhelan2099 Again, Nik knows nothing outside of core and only the metalcore and deathcore. So how the hell would he have more to take inspiration from?

[@symptomofsouls]

@@damsaucy Gorguts' Obscura gave me an existential crisis. Was one of the most massive wtf moments I have ever heard in my entire life. I want more of that

[@Teites]

Early 2000s Metalcore got me into Metal (shoutout to NFS Most Wanted), but I find more joy in Modern Metal and combining 50 genres into one song. That shit's fire

[@Kellbellgurl]

The now music is great. There are some great collabs coming out. I'm more motivated to go concerts more than ever. It also helps that I'm older and actually have money.

[@PushThatMakesYaMove]

Gotta love that the thumbnail is literally SlipToken

[@mobafan3713]

Metal is metal, we all enjoy it one way or another. If I had to choose favourite time, I'd say the 10s but realistically I appreciate everything.

[@AutistcBear]

It makes me sad when bands don’t actually record the instruments, but rather let a machine do it for them😢

[@Ilurblur]

Yeah as long as it ain't overproduced like a certain band that people either seem to love or hate

[@midnightskyofficial]

If you’re talking Sleep Token, I don’t see that being overproduced. If you mean Bring Me The Horizon, yeah I can see it

[@Ilurblur]

@@midnightskyofficial Yeah just pretend that's what i meant 🤣 We don't need a flame war in the comments or another flame war if there already is one

[@BigJuicyJerm]

END video PLEASE. END is an American metalcore supergroup composed of singer Brendan Murphy (Counterparts), guitarists Will Putney (Fit For An Autopsy) and Gregory Thomas (Shai Hulud), bassist Jay Pepito (Reign Supreme), and drummer Matt Guglielmo (the Acacia Strain)

[@technosworld2]

it's more global too, with a lot of bands from all over the world able to share their love of Metal music

[@yoloautumn]

Good thing in metal is you can always discover something new.

[@meisnameless]

YES WE WANT THE METAL 2004 2024 SONG

[@rolig9303]

Okay i like metal.

[@JamesJohnson-od1fd]

love seeing your posts on the same music we might have in common. You rip dude!

[@Loveslast_flight]

Darko US be the craziest band that utilises ALL the chaotic (yet) sophisticated sounds. Their new album certainly identifies a lot of that stuff. It’s weird. But works.

[@luvincste]

to me the best mixing was done in the 90s, the right amount of compressione with the right amount of original thumpness left in it

[@katsuyamekuoropojat9444]

I think you should check out Assemble The Chariots if you appreciate production of today's music, while still missing the elements of older stuff. Their music has a bit of everything, and the composition and everything is just amazing. ''Empress'' would be the best song to check out first, even though their newest song ''Evermurk'' is cool too. Not much of pop-element to them, but they represent where we have gotten to amazingly.

[@Lk7lk7252]

12:11 HARDSTYLE MENTIONED RAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@benjaminwalker9947]

The new album by wage war stigma might be album of the year for me

[@dante7935]

Listen Dissonant Death Metal and Avant-garde Black Metal. This is real modern metal, composición is madness and production clean

[@crabbuckets7506]

I've been listening to Vision of Disorder, Botch, Earth Crisis, and all that sort of stuff stuff lately. Some early cores and metals 🤘

[@belleybutton4335]

Honestly both are fantastic, without classic stuff we wouldn't have our modern sound now. In a way they need each other, With out the classic sound a modern sound wont get formed cause theres nothing for it to grow and evolve off of, without the modern sound metal would just be the same as it was 20, 30, 40 years ago at that point you kind of get bored of the same foraged sound. It's nice to have places to grow and change up the sound of a genre.

[@anester1866]

i like the little Justin plug with the vocal videos

[@jackieronimo8112]

There will never be anything like the new wave British heavy metal in the 70's, like the thrash wave of the 80's, the groove and death metal of the 90's, the Nu/Alt metal of the early 2000's, the myspace deathcore movement, etc. Each era brings it's own emerging music styles and it is up to the listener whether it is good or not. Personally I think there is good music to be found every single year as long as you are okay with doing some digging, but even in the mainstream there are fantastic bands like Loathe, Archspire, BMTH, Sleep Token, Spiritbox, Knocked Loose, Lorna Shore and so many more that are pushing the boundaries of music whether people like it or not.

[@pierremaiden]

making access to information alot easier (with internet etc..) also makes it that music knowledge and ability is no longer gatekept by rich people who could pay for real music classes and such. which is also why there seems to be more prodigies and such in music. The market overall got better technically imo.

[@AugustPeters-yg5rr]

yes love that you cited justin bonnits and andy cyzek

[@Maybeabandaid9]

5-7-8 era still my favorite.

[@joaoaugustolandim]

Wonderful that we're having this conversation. It shows that metal is evolving and more alive than ever. We might not realize it yet, but that's happening. Metal is causing confusion and disgust in some older generations, which is the normal behaviour of this awesome genre.

[@TheJoeyBones]

"Everything's awesome 'cause we still have fkn BREAKDOWNS" 🙌🙌

[@austinleblanc234]

Honestly, I like both! As long the song is good and I enjoy what I’m hearing and I’m playing it on repeat, then it’s a banger song. There’s nothing wrong with the old style, but in my opinion, if you’re doing the same thing over and over again, it begins to become stale. You can only come up with so many riffs, chords, etc. Adding new elements to your music will bruh some spice to it which us listeners will enjoy. We all need something fresh in the mix.

[@justjon1990]

Aba Simpson: I use to be with it! Then they changed what IT was! And now what IT is, is weird and strange! And it will happen to you too!

[@jedigarrett142]

Nik nocturnal needs to do a “how to write a Breaking Benjamin song”

[@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541]

2000's simply had so many good records, i feel 2010's onward can't compete, i mean, we had: Opeth run from Blacwater Park to Watershed, Gojira, Mastodon, Converge, Soad, Deftones, Boris, Behemoth, Pig Destroyer, Electric Wizard, ISIS, Neurosis and so many other amazing bands and records

[@ryukan250]

Always a pleasant surprise to see the last two remaining metal bands on Earth on a reaction channel

[@henrymccarty5527]

5:53 ...Chelsea Grin reference

[@jeremybonds2274]

Mors Principum Est is a very underrated Melodic Death Metal band. You should listen to Black Curtain by Gatecreeper their new album is fucking amazing. I think Vredehammer, Hath, Fractal Generator, Baest, Vitriol, Brodequin, Thou, Imperialist (is sick Sci-Fi Black Metal band) and tons of others should be in this playlist.

[@synapticschism]

I grew up in the 80s and 90s. There's no better or worse metal. There's metal that is contextual to the zeitgeist. Sometimes it's fast others low, sometimes it's raw others over produced, sometimes it's screeching others is loooooow, and yada yada yada. Each metal era is product of its time. I don't understand the discussion, people just don't know how to enjoy good things.

[@jaegermeister798]

Consider this too, one of the biggest bands that has been, and is, making waves and taking over the face of metal isn’t even a traditional band, but a fucking Japanese idol group that has music composed from multiple genres and sub genres of metal.

[@Frederick0220]

The Bad Omens, Falling in Reverse, BMTH, and Motionless in White style of metal may be the most digestible form of metal to date.

[@7ChaosBlack]

Not metal. The most digestible form of metal is trad or power metal.

[@Frederick0220]

@@7ChaosBlack Yes, it is metal. They have drop D tuning, breakdowns, and some screaming.

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@Frederick0220 Core isn't metal.

[@Frederick0220]

@@7ChaosBlack That's an insane assertion. How is Metalcore not metal? Metal is literally the first word in the name lolol. And if it's not metal, then what is it?

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@Frederick0220 It's got core in the name as it's an off shoot of 90s hardcore (and post-hxc) bands many of whom were straight edge like Earth Crisis. It takes more than superficial elements to be metal and its core, metalcore is a core sub-genre rather than a metal one. Next time I suggest you learn what prefixes and suffixes are. The suffix matters more.

[@El_Bellota]

A Dai Zero Kan metal cover could go hard too.

[@Wailmur]

"Yaaaahhh Slaaayyeeerrrr!" - Nik Nocturnal

[@masonkeith45]

Nothing beat Madden 04-08 having metalcore bangers on their soundtracks

[@ryanbollinger1759]

Whether you like it or not (I absolutely do) Bad Omens has had such a huge influence on the scene, that The Death of Peace of Mind imo will still be talked about in 10 years time. It changed everything. In my opinion, one of the most important albums in recent memory along with You Won’t Go before you’re supposed to by Knocked Loose, and Nex Gen by BMTH.

[@isaacclose8828]

You've really got a point. I wasn't a fan of The Death Of Peace of Mind, but I loved NeX GEn and I think it's really unique

[@Luissv72]

Hard disagree with Next Gen, I think Post Human was and is way more important and influential. It established their formula (or lack thereof) and got them a lot of the popularity they have today.

[@matthewduncan5037]

This is one of those debates I think is just void and pointless because it’s literally all just down to personal taste. I like modern metal and really struggle to get in to a lot of older stuff, mostly pre 2000s. Just never happened for me. Me arguing with someone who has the complete opposite taste is pointless and a waste of time because there is no objective answer

[@oTchago]

People do this to remember and praise the ones that came before. As the saying goes: we stand on the shoulders of giants. No side would be judged for understanding the other. It's cool to see metal unfolding

[@oTchago]

But listen to Carnage (michael amotts band) fucking sick stuff

[@7ChaosBlack]

You could just say you're a scene kid that hates metal.

[@Owlr4ider]

It's not about seeking an objective answer but rather understanding why you like modern/classic metal. Or to put it more precisely, what exactly it is that you like about modern/classic metal.

[@dgarnerdavid]

Just remember... Madden 04 had A7X's "Chapter Four" as one of the main songs when you turned the game on.

[@joerivandevyver7868]

Im surprised you haven't made a video about Graspop yet? All the better bands i learned from you played there. Slaughter To Prevail, BMTH, Architects, Electric Callboy, Brand Of Sacrifice, ERRA, While She Sleeps and so on. It was a banger of a festival

[@Evolji228]

Zeroes. Zeroes are definitely the best part of heavy music. They always was and always will be

[@MrMegamansx]

Good metal is timeless, regardless. Sounds of perseverance for example will always remain timeless. I feel with the saturation , the weaker and more mid songs/ bands are falling off or being forgotten.

[@Boroffski]

Even if modern drummers are actually laying down tracks, they are run through triggers. And I’m fukin hear for it!🤘🏼