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[@thecasiorobinson]

Nik try not to put Sleep Token in his thumbnails challenge level impossible

[@haygax5767]

Crazy how much metal has evolved. I certainly feel that Mick Gordon had a HUGE impact on the way metal is produced/perceived now, as crazy is that is to say. I’m so excited to see how this genre continues to evolve.

[@MiaR_96]

Oh most definitely. I literally got into Doom because of Mick Gordon, and thus back into listening to metal on a daily basis. I'm just trying to chill and enjoy metal, both old and new lol.

[@knightartorias7043]

Mick is the entire reason I'm in such love with metal, and I come from a background of mindless "whatever was popular at the time" music. Which, no hate to those that enjoy pop and trap, was not a time I'd like to go back to. Can't wait to see where we go from here. :)

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

It's evolved some but djent is pretty much metal's final form

[@charlesray2249]

Without meshuggah there wouldn’t be Mick Gordon

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

Meshuggah and periphery are way more influential than mick Gordon

[@pastromer8552]

meshuggah and periphery deciding to make the sound that people would use and manipulate for the next 16 years be like: 🥶

[@gonzoe123]

I keep seeing people talk about Mick Gordon, but Meshuggah and Periphery had a significantly stronger influence in my opinion

[@pastromer8552]

@@gonzoe123 its true, Mick Gordon wouldnt exist in the form he does if Meshuggah didnt exist

[@redfoxxx9997]

Vildhjarta has entered the chat

[@grimg0r]

why do people forget about after the burial? they were right next to periphery when they first started in terms of that meshuggah influenced sound

[@7ChaosBlack]

Tf you talking about. Meshuggah's sound is 30 years old and Periphery made a career being a xerox of Sikth and Tesseract who are a xerox of Meshuggah.

[@EmoSupremo-h9f]

Fun! MeTaL! THINGS!!!!!

[@DumbMetalHead7]

Eughhhhhhhh

[@FrogToRuleThemAll]

Got the bmth keyboard

[@7ChaosBlack]

There is no metal on this channel, only mallcore.

[@justvibingman496]

You can hear alot of nu metal and metalcore influences in todays metal, its like reliving my childhood all over again except im in my 20s

[@colewilliams6623]

I am someone who came along at the very end of Gen X (46) I have said this many times, "You ether evolve with time, or you will get left behind". Most people from my era cannot and outright refuse to say that. I love some bands from the 80's, 90's and beyond. Crue got me into metal, and now I listen to everything from Slipknot, Bad Omens, Sleep Token, Slaughter to Prevail, and many more! Keeping an open mind is paramount to discovering new music!

[@7ChaosBlack]

Crue is unironically better than all the garbo you just mentioned.

[@ddodarell]

Same age, same story brother. Plus, being able to play guitar along with your favorite songs with just an iPad, has only made my passion for new and old music so much more special.

[@may_beck6224]

same age bracket and I couldn't agree more I dont think one is better than the other they are different and I love watching the progression

[@HonkeyKongLive]

You gotta pick some bands that aren't on the radio

[@coffinsonio]

man there's actually good metal out there that also evolved too yknow

[@hypn0sphere]

Nik: what era of metal you like the most? Me: all of them.

[@Lamenter69]

I remember when Melissa Cross brought out the dvd called Zen Of Screaming in 2005, i bought it thinking it would be crazy vocal techniques, but it just turned out to be regular singing lessons and warm ups, one embarrasing sing lesson later my growls got deeper, my vocals became better, i had better breath control and i could hit more ranges. The history of metal vocals evolving im pretty sure starts with Melissa Cross the GOAT

[@EonSlumber]

She was booked for a decade.

[@matp8479]

I’m stuck in 2000-2000 nu metal phase. Love the old 578 but the new stuff too.

[@SEVEN_DUCK]

Nu metal, alternative metal and metalcore from the 2000's made me the man i am today but i also love modern metal and new fun metal shit that comes out today. Its okay to like both eras

[@7ChaosBlack]

Modern metal isn't metal, it's just mallcore.

[@WSDoesStuff]

@@7ChaosBlack You are the problem

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@WSDoesStuff I'm not the one who pretends an offshoot of hxc and post-hxc is metal. That's all on Nik and his scene kid army.

[@bladempale1751]

@@WSDoesStuffit’s the truth though Quit calling it metal. Literally just cheesier hardcore.

[@WSDoesStuff]

@@bladempale1751 hard-core is still metal. Quit gatekeeping

[@clerxvr]

Nik you inspired me to play guitar today I just learned walk by pantera and the solo thanks for inspiring me also to get into metal

[@clerxvr]

I’m also 11 and my fav bands are as I lay dying 5-7-8 for life and bfmv and slaughter to prevail

[@G.O.A.T-wm4pk]

@@clerxvr yo, i am a drummer

[@loganheidrick3719]

Dude a Pantera solo at 11? He'll yeah keep it up dude!

[@clerxvr]

@@G.O.A.T-wm4pk do you live near Wisconsin?

[@isaacclose8828]

@@loganheidrick3719 ay he's 11 let's watch the language jkjk but a pantera solo at 11 is insanely good! Dimebag was amazing!

[@pranakhan]

I started with old school Slayer and Pantera in my early teens (90's), with a transition into Industrial Rock (NIN, Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, SWANS) and then full experimental noise beat when the drugs kicked in; Einstruzende Neubauten, Download, Autechre, etc. I hear many of those industrial ideas in modern metal, and that evolution makes sense to me

[@TheMillennialGardener]

Nik, you have to react to Starset's "new" song 'Brave New World.' Starset may not normally your style, but this is a shocking level of *heavy* for them. I'm a fan of theirs, and this caught me totally off-guard and blew my mind. The riff is literally terrifying. You will *not* be disappointed.

[@With__Humor]

Actually "What the fuck is Mirar?!"

[@lucasieger1966]

Music for bed time...

[@rompundex]

@@lucasieger1966 yes i listen to it while resting and focusing

[@gomaaren]

I've jokingly called it squeegeecore, but MIRAR member Leo himself seems to refer to it as "thallstep" in the titles of his most recent videos

[@With__Humor]

@@gomaaren Yeah, I saw that and thallstep is a good description, but I thought of Mirar as Really Low-Fi

[@-Ruben]

It's Looking in spanish

[@MeowReapZ]

I have never gotten to a nik video so quickly.

[@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541]

My main problem with mainstream metal nowadays is that the production can get so obnoxiously clean, that it just stops being heavy, like, it stops being organic, I'm not asking for the music to sound like it was recorded through an old radio, but i do want my music to sound like it was actually made by human beings with passion for what they are playing

[@vaidotasdarulis]

I bet the stuff you like is also obnoxiously clean but you just like the music and tones themselves. Name some of your favourite recent albums

[@RockandMetal-u9x]

bla bla bla 🙄 You're acting like all music nowadays is created by aliens or some kinda shit 😂

[@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541]

@@RockandMetal-u9x rush rope and chair build irl

[@TempleGuitars]

I don't know about all this "...and then guitarists/drummers/vocalists started getting better". While modern metal is definitely an incredibly skilful genre utilising a wide range of new techniques, I think crusty old shredders in the 80s definitely weren't worse. I'm sure if you gace Paul Gilbert a 15 minute thumping lesson, he'd have invented Tosin music before Tosin. I don't think "better" is the standard or the right word. Just different. I still listen to Judas Priest from the 80s, and I was listening to Polyphia a minute ago. It's all good.

[@damsaucy]

yeah i love nik but man knows nothing outside of metalcore. the shit that oldhead death and prog musicians were doing is still insane. "better" is comparative, modern musicians have shoulders to stand on. (they're still fucking godly ofc)

[@colinwhelan2099]

@@damsaucy I mean he kinda clears it up at the end where he talks about how there's just more stuff to mix and match and take inspiration from. Which is very very true.

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

The songwriting has gotten so much worse and I absolutely hate the production of most new metal albums it's way too pristine. Most of the guitarists are more interested in creating extremely complex parts instead of memorable riffs and solos

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@colinwhelan2099 Again, Nik knows nothing outside of core and only the metalcore and deathcore. So how the hell would he have more to take inspiration from?

[@symptomofsouls]

@@damsaucy Gorguts' Obscura gave me an existential crisis. Was one of the most massive wtf moments I have ever heard in my entire life. I want more of that

[@thatAli84]

Metal in 2024 : Fun MeTHALL things !!!

[@darkwulf2k]

My metal journey started with Metallica, Slayer, Tool, Linkin Park, Disturbed, and then went into Killswitch Engage, Dream Theater, In Flames. Then I went into power metal like Blind Guardian, Nightwish, Within Temptation. Now I do metalcore as my big genre with Ice Nine Kills, Asking Alexandria, We Came as Romans, and Alt metal like Smash Into Pieces. Just discover Versus Me, who are metalcore, and Sick Century who I am not quite sure how to catagorize. I just like metal period. Is best music.

[@lilredjellybean]

I grew up as a Warped Tour kid, it's crazy to see how things have evolved. I feel like metal isn't as "raw" anymore, it's cleaner and more produced, like you were saying. There's a hell of a lot of variations now though, so everyone can find something they like.

[@bjwaters]

Meanwhile, I'm over in the power metal corner, blissfully unaware of these things. Seriously, though, there is nothing wrong with picking up newer production techniques. Saxon and Judas Priest put out some great albums this year, and they're trucking along like it's still 1982. Thanks to the internet, music genres have certainly gotten diverse, but there will always be those bands that still do the things you love. You just have to look for them.

[@randywissler9923]

Drummers started doing jazz and metal. Dave Lombardo and Gar Samuelson: did ya'll forget about us? 😂

[@brandonharris9160]

And Sean Reinert from Cynic and Death. Good comment 👍

[@isaacclose8828]

@@brandonharris9160 Bill Ward of Black Sabbath played jazz too, although he wasn't doing metal drumming in the way we think of it today

[@bladempale1751]

This guy literally doesn’t know anything about metal

[@randywissler9923]

@@bladempale1751 you referring about me or Nik?

[@isaacclose8828]

@@randywissler9923 Or me? Perhaps himself?

[@MrScrofulous]

Nik - guitar solos aren't a thing today Adam de Micco - can you see me ?

[@matthew9341]

I still remember hearing Bullet With A Name for the first time playing WWE: Smackdown vs Raw 2007 and being absolutely blown away

[@sighswoons]

I always describe to people that growing up in the 2000s gateway mainstream metal was KSE, August Burns Red, and the Asking Alexandra stand up and scream debut (the bible of 578 0-0-0-0-0 ) I don't listen to metalcore anymore but it was a great gateway into hardcore and other types of metal that I listen to now!

[@evantide]

This is a good analysis. I always tell people how much technology shapes music.

[@hannakoller8466]

honestly I love genre blending and complex music so it's a great time for me but I also like discovering other styles from older times when I wasn't listening to a lot of music or wasn't even born yet

[@loki3292]

I've been playing music of some form for 44 years. It's exciting to see my beloved metal evolve, and even more exciting to see these young pups doing things on their instrument that would have Eddie Van Halen's jaw drop. I've never gotten good enough to be anything but a hobbyist, but these new players are phenomenal.

[@meisnameless]

YES WE WANT THE METAL 2004 2024 SONG

[@thekid1568]

It isn't even about metal at this point culture has hit an all-time low. It's boring nobody wants to acknowledge it but that's the truth it's just all bland everything is processed, processed. where's the soul, where's the subversiveness, where's the people that stood for something, where's the art, where's something people would kill for live for and in the end die for.

[@jeremybonds2274]

Mors Principum Est is a very underrated Melodic Death Metal band. You should listen to Black Curtain by Gatecreeper their new album is fucking amazing. I think Vredehammer, Hath, Fractal Generator, Baest, Vitriol, Brodequin, Thou, Imperialist (is sick Sci-Fi Black Metal band) and tons of others should be in this playlist.

[@BigJuicyJerm]

END video PLEASE. END is an American metalcore supergroup composed of singer Brendan Murphy (Counterparts), guitarists Will Putney (Fit For An Autopsy) and Gregory Thomas (Shai Hulud), bassist Jay Pepito (Reign Supreme), and drummer Matt Guglielmo (the Acacia Strain)

[@a-man3179]

The playing got better. The writing got worse. Just my opinion. I think the Metalcore today has evolved to the point where it isn't even metalcore anymore.

[@JamesJohnson-od1fd]

love seeing your posts on the same music we might have in common. You rip dude!

[@rolig9303]

Okay i like metal.

[@Loveslast_flight]

Darko US be the craziest band that utilises ALL the chaotic (yet) sophisticated sounds. Their new album certainly identifies a lot of that stuff. It’s weird. But works.

[@pierremaiden]

making access to information alot easier (with internet etc..) also makes it that music knowledge and ability is no longer gatekept by rich people who could pay for real music classes and such. which is also why there seems to be more prodigies and such in music. The market overall got better technically imo.

[@matthewduncan5037]

This is one of those debates I think is just void and pointless because it’s literally all just down to personal taste. I like modern metal and really struggle to get in to a lot of older stuff, mostly pre 2000s. Just never happened for me. Me arguing with someone who has the complete opposite taste is pointless and a waste of time because there is no objective answer

[@oTchago]

People do this to remember and praise the ones that came before. As the saying goes: we stand on the shoulders of giants. No side would be judged for understanding the other. It's cool to see metal unfolding

[@oTchago]

But listen to Carnage (michael amotts band) fucking sick stuff

[@7ChaosBlack]

You could just say you're a scene kid that hates metal.

[@Owlr4ider]

It's not about seeking an objective answer but rather understanding why you like modern/classic metal. Or to put it more precisely, what exactly it is that you like about modern/classic metal.

[@katsuyamekuoropojat9444]

I think you should check out Assemble The Chariots if you appreciate production of today's music, while still missing the elements of older stuff. Their music has a bit of everything, and the composition and everything is just amazing. ''Empress'' would be the best song to check out first, even though their newest song ''Evermurk'' is cool too. Not much of pop-element to them, but they represent where we have gotten to amazingly.

[@AutistcBear]

It makes me sad when bands don’t actually record the instruments, but rather let a machine do it for them😢

[@rz5260]

I think the fact that i've seen this video yesterday, i dreamed with nik with a bass in an slavic film. The most funny is that Nik was actually very happy and couldn't stop flexing. Strange dream but, it was sooo weird and funny 😂

[@reidiculous4747]

When you were talking about your music discovery path it was like you were speaking for me hahaha

[@vocecaiunocontodomalakoi7541]

2000's simply had so many good records, i feel 2010's onward can't compete, i mean, we had: Opeth run from Blacwater Park to Watershed, Gojira, Mastodon, Converge, Soad, Deftones, Boris, Behemoth, Pig Destroyer, Electric Wizard, ISIS, Neurosis and so many other amazing bands and records

[@mobafan3713]

Metal is metal, we all enjoy it one way or another. If I had to choose favourite time, I'd say the 10s but realistically I appreciate everything.

[@wolfgang7350]

We need a metal version of bowling for soups 1986

[@bobaque70]

I see that 1 million plaque in the background.Congrats on your KZbin accomplishments Nik!

[@masonkeith45]

Nothing beat Madden 04-08 having metalcore bangers on their soundtracks

[@SteanPP]

I just like metal! 2004 or 2024 or 1994 if it's good music it's good music.

[@AlienKissy]

Nik has been yelling at us a lot more than usual..."WTF IS MIRAR?!" Dude, we look to you for the answers lol

[@luvincste]

to me the best mixing was done in the 90s, the right amount of compressione with the right amount of original thumpness left in it

[@roninsohei]

Metal is like pizza and there is no bad pizza (yes, I know Little Caesar's exists) But a quick not on nu-metal; you kinda made it sound like Linkin Park started nu-metal but it was Korn, Deftones, early Incubus, and Limp Bizkit, back in 97/98 that really started it. I mean TRL in the late 90s was Korn doing songs with Ice Cube and Method Man putting metal guitar in his songs. I LOVE Linkin Park, and respect them endlessly, but they popped off when nu-metal peaked, they didn't pioneer it.

[@Erichwanh]

Here's the thing about metal, and opinions. Opinions about metal are like aholes. Ronnie Radke is an ahole, and that's my opinion.

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

We need more early 2000's era Metalcore revival. OSDM revival scene has been awesome, same with the Black-Death scene. I like production variation in what I listen to, why bands like Black Cilice (cavernous lo-fi BM) get played right alongside the new Ulcerate or JFAC or TBDM, some of my projects I still mic my amp because that's the sound that's needed. Sky's the limit in a lot of ways.

[@Dontreadme]

Thank you dying wish for keeping 2000's metalcore alive 🤘

[@PolarityMetal]

I just won't ever accept that music was better back then just because of 'lack' of good production. We live in an age where I can record a whole song with drums, guitar, voice and bass and full production with just a laptop, a mic and a guitar. That's huge, and as much as I appreciate records like The Cleansing for their rawness, I love recording crap at home

[@temorinkaari]

Love the gray hairs. Looks cool and mature

[@Frederick0220]

The Bad Omens, Falling in Reverse, BMTH, and Motionless in White style of metal may be the most digestible form of metal to date.

[@7ChaosBlack]

Not metal. The most digestible form of metal is trad or power metal.

[@Frederick0220]

@@7ChaosBlack Yes, it is metal. They have drop D tuning, breakdowns, and some screaming.

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@Frederick0220 Core isn't metal.

[@Frederick0220]

@@7ChaosBlack That's an insane assertion. How is Metalcore not metal? Metal is literally the first word in the name lolol. And if it's not metal, then what is it?

[@7ChaosBlack]

@@Frederick0220 It's got core in the name as it's an off shoot of 90s hardcore (and post-hxc) bands many of whom were straight edge like Earth Crisis. It takes more than superficial elements to be metal and its core, metalcore is a core sub-genre rather than a metal one. Next time I suggest you learn what prefixes and suffixes are. The suffix matters more.

[@DevonHberman-im6bx]

Deicide plays at drop Eflat, only a half-step down. A “trve” metal band still released an album with 6 strings at only half a step down in 2024, and it was brutal. It can still be done…

[@Suremanblurking]

Nik! You should react to this Metalcore band called Reserate! They are from Singapore and they SLAP guaranteed!

[@thewastelandts]

You literally named every band in order that got me hooked into the metal world

[@yoloautumn]

Good thing in metal is you can always discover something new.

[@dgarnerdavid]

Just remember... Madden 04 had A7X's "Chapter Four" as one of the main songs when you turned the game on.

[@NicolasRositano22042417]

Nik, have you ever looked into the blackened metal band Worm Shepherd? I just listened to their Ritual Hymns album for the first time and I thought it was really epic. Give it a listen I’d love to see your reaction to it.

[@oleksiistri8429]

electronic music and metal began way earlier than Linkin Park. In 80s, Ministry, NIN, a bunch of 80's prog.metal bands used electronics in their music too

[@MrMegamansx]

Good metal is timeless, regardless. Sounds of perseverance for example will always remain timeless. I feel with the saturation , the weaker and more mid songs/ bands are falling off or being forgotten.

[@jayceledet6756]

I’m 18, from Louisiana. Southern state in America. I got into metal about 3 1/2 years ago, covid. In 8th grade I got into classic rock, in 9th grade I got into metal with Slipknot and Metallica. From there, I got into deathcore, my metal, metal core, classic metal, and other stuff. Then, I got into the NOLA scene. Let me tell you, no does it like then. My favorite band of all time is Crowbar. The riffs are compelling, and I think that’s what we’re missing in metal these days. The riffs just aren’t that memorable for a lot of bands. Last night I saw DOWN. Phil Anselmo’s rock band. That was the 2nd best show I’ve ever seen, behind seeing Crowbar a few months ago. There’s such a focus on combing a type of soulful metal/rock vocal with the awesome riffs. They aren’t scared of melody, and they are genuinely heavy. So much deathcore isn’t even heavy these days because of its production and riff style. I know, riff style is a big defining part of genre. But there really isn’t any memorable riffs in a lot of the modern deathcore bands. (Slaughter to Prevail and Lorna Shore being exclusions somewhat). And deathcore isn’t the only one. When you go to modern metal core I can think of so so few memorable riffs. And my second favorite band is Whitechapel. They have a lot of actual, true riffs. That drive the song, and are melody in themselves. Think Pantera, Dime’s riffs are half the melody of the song. I love Sleep Token as well, but here’s the the difference in the attraction. They don’t have any memorable riffs really, maybe the Summoning and Take me Back to Eden’s breakdown. But they don’t need the riffs to be memorable because they have other instruments that make memorable parts in the song, especially Vessel’s voice. I love big choruses as much as the next person, but so many just have an extremely basic melody that’s cool until you’ve heard it 10 times. Then you forget about that song, and it’s boring. There’s so much material out there, but so much is just not that memorable. I really hope we start getting more memorable riffs again in metal, even if it’s not some mind-blowing new sub-genre. Another small thing is that no one really has a unique tone for their guitars. Everyone has a good tone. But very few have a tone that you hear and know who it is. In short, I don’t really know what my favorite type of metal is, but probably southern. And I believe that’s what we are doing right, the riffs.

[@BlackbladeYT]

I think regardless of the 2000s vs 2020s debate, we can mostly agree that the 2010s were a super rough time for metal. The earlier parts of the decade especially saw a time where most everything in pop culture had this pretty sheen start being applied to it, and the only other option was to make something outwardly abrasive like dubstep (which I don’t hate for the record, check out the Rage Valley EP by Knife Party for some killer shit). That huge divide in sanitized versus unsanitized media left metal in a weird spot and only within the past 5 years or so do I think that’s been lifted some. I’m not entirely content with the sound of most current metal acts, but I’m so happy to see it start to reclaim an audience and hope that inspires a new wave of great artists. Certainly has inspired me to

[@doritosoccultclub8478]

I have to disagree slightly about Mirar. Even though the guy is a producer, he's also a jazz guitarist I believe. That's without even mentioning that lots of his riffs are actually built like classical/baroque piano pieces (coming from a piano player). I love all of the aspects of the guitar work with Mirar.

[@sespool3588]

yeah a 2004 vs 2024 would be SICK

[@belleybutton4335]

Honestly both are fantastic, without classic stuff we wouldn't have our modern sound now. In a way they need each other, With out the classic sound a modern sound wont get formed cause theres nothing for it to grow and evolve off of, without the modern sound metal would just be the same as it was 20, 30, 40 years ago at that point you kind of get bored of the same foraged sound. It's nice to have places to grow and change up the sound of a genre.

[@bigdj0ntz8]

00:35 Captain Marvel as good old mcu? lol even the memes are downhill

[@coreyxreal]

Nice perspective tbh

Half of Bring Me the Horizon songs in new CD have references to old stuff, pop and metal. I think we have more creative before. Today it's a race to fill dopamine of ADHD metal heads using breakdown (no complains).

[@stelioslado7039]

Bad omens and sleep token are "new" metal but dont go for breakdowns only. You cant speak about everyone

[@AlesMicik]

​@@stelioslado7039 yeah.. Sleep Token with their long ass songs is as anti ADHD as you can get

[@stelioslado7039]

@@AlesMicik yes and its still awesome. You cant talk about everything and everyone cause there is always someone different out there

[@AlesMicik]

@@stelioslado7039 it is... I was actually amazed when I heard Take Me Back To Eden for the first time. A little bit predictable except for that piano part in the middle, but it is a great fucking song

[@stelioslado7039]

@@AlesMicik yes i agree . And generally there is a lot of good and diverse metal music out there

[@Zerty-LGCY]

As a Gen z (19) metal enjoyer I think having the charm of 2000-2010’s metal as well as the production quality of modern day metal is where people can all agree metal is peak. Progressing metal as a whole is great c:

[@RJS2303]

1993 311 got me into hard rock/metal

[@symptomofsouls]

Most modern "metal" isn't even metal it's barely even radio rock. So many of the newer bands are painfully bad. The newer albums from older bands are still good (usually), but there are maybe 5 bands that started in the last 10 years that are even half decent I think metal at it's core has to be aggressive and gritty, and if it isn't, it's not really metal. It's a vibe thing.

[@sushio4357]

Top 5 artists/bands that shaped modern metal: Meshuggah, Periphery, Mick Gordon, Polyphia, Vildhjarta.

[@bladempale1751]

Everyone saying “I LoVe AlL oF tHe MeTaL GeNreS!!¡” ……..no………no you don’t……

[@fullmetalguy8357]

6:25 Yes production has gotten a lot more accessible and it's way easier to sound like a professional band with a home studio. But it's not necessarily better. The trap many bands fall into these days is using the same presets to produce that high gain, low end guitar sound where bands almost sound indistinguishable from one another. In fact, this is almost like what happened in the late 80s, where every big band had loud, reverb-drenched production. Which is precisely why "grunge" and bands like Korn stripped down their production so much. The underground metal scenes were always fated to have a less-than-pristine production value due to their budgets and access to studios. But that variation in production is what makes a genre as diverse as metal special. If you look at the non-mainstream bands out today, you'll notice that there's a huge variety of sounds and production styles that aren't limited to whatever metalcore flavour-of-the-week is pushed on the Heatseekers / Spotify's "Kickass Metal" playlist.

[@RanterInShades]

I think the 90's was the ultimate sweet spot between the older and younger generations of genres, and the 00's is starting to be seen the same way.

[@tommoran9801]

It's the same shit over and over with worse production. I remember all of the bands around the year 2000 that were coming out. I couldn't keep up with them all. Nowadays, I'm lucky to find a handful of albums that I'm happy with in a year. Yeah, there are more bands getting their music out, but they are mostly copying and pasting someone else's shit.

[@austinleblanc234]

Honestly, I like both! As long the song is good and I enjoy what I’m hearing and I’m playing it on repeat, then it’s a banger song. There’s nothing wrong with the old style, but in my opinion, if you’re doing the same thing over and over again, it begins to become stale. You can only come up with so many riffs, chords, etc. Adding new elements to your music will bruh some spice to it which us listeners will enjoy. We all need something fresh in the mix.

[@Owlr4ider]

Back in the late 70s and 80s metal was like fine dining. In the 90s and early 2000s it became more like bistro and diner food. Modern metal is fast food. Focusing on the production aspect of the music isn't necessarily a bad thing. However obsessing over it and putting it on a pedestal loses a lot of what made metal, well, metal. As you said, solos, a cornerstone of old school metal, are barely a thing these days. The instruments themselves are basically playing second fiddle or as you put it, the guitar itself as a DJ. This notion of everything needing to be 'pristine' makes everything sound the same and on top of that loses the charm old metal had. After all there is no such thing as perfection. Beauty lies in the flaws and imperfections.

[@Ashacarlosalbert]

"Metalheads love the metal genre they grew up listening to." Jared Dines once said smth like that, and I believe it to this day.

[@AWildAraAppears]

I think the current era of metal is the best for the simple fact that every era of metal can currently co-exist together. I can go on spotify right now, and find new and exciting bands that are doing every sub genre of metal, and every style of metal. I think the only thing that has really been lost of the vibe of the older DIY music, where the production and mixing on a lot of late 90's early 2000's bands wasn't the best because people couldn't afford better, but it gave the music a certain vibe that's hard to reproduce now. It's similar to the feel of listening to old Vinyls VS mp3 files. There's no doubt that most Vinyls, on a technical level, will never sound as clear as an MP3 file, but at the same time there is a certain vibe to Vinyl that simply can't be recreated or replicated. All that said, I think the only correct answer is every era of Metal. It just depends on the person, and their personal tastes. There is no actual "best era" or "golden era", and anyone who gatekeeps newer music because of a love for the older stuff is misguided at best, and down right hateful at worst. Let people love the music they love, and don't shit on them for it, especially within your own communities.

[@sdlfk2]

It’s ironic that I’m commenting under THIS video, but you should really listen to the new song scarlxrd dropped called night crawler. I know you listened to a few songs a couple years ago, and you thought they were cool but not really your thing, but he had changed now. PLEASE react to them on your channel. I really think as an artist he’s bringing more listeners of rap and trap to the metal scene especially with the new ep and dead rising. Even if you don’t end up posting it because it wasn’t good enough content, you don’t have to commit to it all the way to edit, post, or whatever just give it a listen and I promise it will be at least interesting to you

[@theotrovato8250]

Music is sound, sound makes me happy. No more no less

[@PlayPodOG]

even when it comes to modern bands though. im fine with the production and adding more than just the base instruments. but i do think a band is better for being real. when i make music its imperfect and i want it to be. i want my flavor in it. so if a band uses a drum machine instead of a real drummer, thats less authentic to me. and i love bands like electric call boy and shit. the production isn't wrong. but still should feel authentic

[@nikolakrastev8880]

To me the 2000s style of metal will always be better because I have a very defined taste and there are things that I love and things that I dislike a lot. What I mean by that is that I can easily find bands from that era that fit exactly my niche without going into the stuff I dislike so much. I can find a metalcore band that did the 5 7 8 riffs, played solos, had an aggressive thrashy feel without using synths, rapping or nu metal riffs in their songs. Now every band tries to do everything and to me personally that is a negative. This is why I rarely get into the popular bands of today but again this is just my opinion.

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

2004: the classmates were sharing Evanescence, Slipknot, Linkin Park and Rammstein over infrared port. Not even Bluetooth. Oh... The time

[@valentino0343]

That marge Simpson comment aged poorly 😭😭😭

[@Wailmur]

"Yaaaahhh Slaaayyeeerrrr!" - Nik Nocturnal

[@JustK4Y1512]

Meanwhile on Reddit you have people saying “death to deathcore”, “Slipknot fans should never show their face again to this world” or much, MUCH worse, saying and I quote: “Chester deserved to unalive because he made crap music”…….. that’s just what I’ve found there in one day………

[@kevinbuenoartbywave]

Does everybody remember how Drake was in DeGrasse, current Nik is DeGrasse Drake; we are all still waiting for Nik to announce his album

[@scattaredlight]

Yea, I definitely need a good production. I don’t want a sterile sound, but trying to listen to a record that seems like it was recorded by a broken cassette recorder placed under underwater is criminal😅

[@spuldup]

"Everything's awesome cuz we still have F***** Breakdowns!" I exhaled out of my nose on that one.

[@syntezjaofficial4240]

It's crazy for me that in 2024 most of popular metal bands are basically prog music. 2000's is still goated for me not only in metal but also in rock with pop-punk/emo scene or post-grunge bands

[@trevsweb]

The issue with metal. Back then I would get an album either by cd or MP3 I took 3 hours to download off kazaa/napster. I would be listening to songs and albums for months/years. SOAD, slipknot Rammstein etc. My MP3 player only had 512mb memory so only a few albums. Also TV playing the same songs. My entry to finding new songs would be via radio or hasitleaked website around the bring me the horizon early era. Now metal songs come out and it's so easy to get and keep updated that it's become disposable. I hardly ever go back to albums and songs unless they're bangers. But very rare. Eg sleep token. New songs come out and I move on so quickly.

[@justjon1990]

Aba Simpson: I use to be with it! Then they changed what IT was! And now what IT is, is weird and strange! And it will happen to you too!

[@dante7935]

Listen Dissonant Death Metal and Avant-garde Black Metal. This is real modern metal, composición is madness and production clean