Audeze LCD-2 Classic + LCD-X Review - High Resolution Syrup (2016 revision + memory foam pads)

LCD-2C EqualizerAPO EQ Preset (Updated 1/30/2019, now partially Reveal-based):
Channel: all
Preamp: -3 dB
Filter 5: ON LS Fc 100 Hz Gain 3 dB
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1000 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 1.41
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 4000 Hz Gain 3 dB Q 2
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 6000 Hz Gain -7 dB Q 2
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 8000 Hz Gain 6 dB Q 2
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 10500 Hz Gain -2.5 dB Q 3
LCD-X EQ Preset:
Channel: all
Preamp: -5 dB
Filter 5: ON LS Fc 100 Hz Gain 3 dB
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1000 Hz Gain -3.1 dB Q 2
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 3500 Hz Gain 5.5 dB Q 2
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 6000 Hz Gain -2.8 dB Q 3
Filter 9: ON HS Fc 6000 Hz Gain -2 dB
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[@Nick-s-f]

Tyll intro and shirt LMAO, made my day. XDXDXD

[@metal571]

Knew you guys would like that

[@brianoh8192]

Man I love your videos. Highly respect your opinions and for such a simple video, your flow of conversation still holds my attention.

[@metal571]

NOTE: This review does *not* apply to the late 2020/early 2021 driver revision to the LCD-X, which has been retuned. It applies *only* to any LCD-X with memory foam genuine leather pads and 2016 driver revision. The LCD-2C here is also a memory foam pleather pad model, not the late 2020 non memory foam pad revision. Intro 0:00 Purpose 0:44 Build Quality 3:42 Comfort 6:14 Accessories 7:14 Bass 9:18 Midrange 11:10 Treble 14:41 Soundstage 18:09 Isolation 19:00 Genre Pairing 19:22 Amp Needs 20:27 Conclusions 21:30 Forgot to include: the msrp of the 2C is $799. Monitoring headphone I am wearing is the Status Audio CB-1.

[@Miskatonic-University]

Still think that 799$ it's no bargain for the Classic, given other options out there. Holy shit, they come in a freaking cardboard box, come on Audeze....at 599$ I feel I'm buying much better value though. Hope Audeze will bring back that initial offer, the current price in Europe (899 EUR = 1K USD) makes me really mad.

[@BlueSpirit.]

Are you going tp review the CB1?

[@metal571]

If the treble doesn't bother you on either the 4xx or the Elex at all then you'll be better off with the Sundara. The lcd2c is significantly darker.

[@metal571]

@B Henson Yeah the 58X is grainier than the 6XX, 600, 660. That's what I've been saying but people are too blinded by other reviewers' opinions I guess lol. The LCD2C definitely has some grain in the treble compared to the higher end models from Audeze for sure. I just like darker headphones and don't want to fork over the cash for a new 2F yet. The PM2 is likely to not meet your grain standards then if you are looking for something with minimal grain. The Sundara should easily beat the 4XX in resolution/grain without a totally different signature, so I think that makes the most sense for you. Thanks for actually giving me details...most people just ask "what's a good headphone" and that does not allow me to give any kind of accurate recommendation lol

[@KenMoreira]

MVP status right here with the time stamps!

[@bluebutterfly-ht4lj]

I think your shirt is too dark. Add some 10k peak shimmer on it.

[@eschultzz]

Love you, bruh. This is eerily well timed, because I'm a metalhead who's narrowed down to these two exact cans. Thank you!

[@StillAlive666]

I tried your EQ for my LCD2-C's and I love it.

[@BlueSpirit.]

Reviewing lcds while wearing Cb1s. Love it.

[@FLouIDLights]

good to see you're uploading more metal, i've always valued your reviews

[@nhk403]

Lovin the shirt!!! Thanks for busting it out Tyll. Another great review Metal, thanks again.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Haha that intro genuinely freaked me out for a second. Im sure you read my other comment regarding your k701/q701 review and how there was this one part in the vid where for a split second i could've sworn you were tyll. It was kinda cute actually lol. *Chris penn voice from reservoir dogs*: "why don't you tell me where the REAL metal571 is"

[@Adam-tp8py]

You are so woefully under-subscribed, you deserve a far larger audience. By far the best headphone reviewer on the platform.

[@skullaveraz]

Most headphone reviewers have a relatively small following. I guess because it's such a niche hobby but Metal571 has been my go to reviewer for since Tyll retired.

[@metal571]

Thanks so much, Tyll was always my blueprint for reviews and my favorite headphone reviewer ever so it is intentional that I'm trying to carry on his legacy, just don't have the time or equipment that he had though.

[@MESSENGER-of-JESUS-CHRIST]

Thanks for vid!! Was waiting for this! Superb review

[@JTCPingas]

I might have to try an Audeze again. That new headband design looks so much better than the old leather band.

[@MESSENGER-of-JESUS-CHRIST]

Was so waiting on this review!!! Thanks great 👍🏼

[@adeelzero1445]

I have to say I've seen a lot of LCD reviews on YT but this is by far the best in depth review period.

[@metal571]

I felt like I rambled a bit too much but then again covering two cans in one video is hard without a lot longer of a recording

[@adeelzero1445]

@@metal571 Na you pretty much covered everything. I'm not a big frequency guy but your reviews help understanding my own preferred signature. Believe it or not my original plan was to send you the K812 after buying it but luckily someone else sent you. That saved my wallet lol

[@djgromo]

Best. Shirt. Ever. Now after some recent reviews i kinda miss my lcd2c so i probably buy them again when i get some money to spare.

[@sharagan]

Hi, your reviews are very accurate to what my ears tell me, thanks for the great work :)

[@MFHRaptor]

Glad to see you're back Metal. Aren't you interested in reviewing and comparing the identical twins Edition X and its replacement Ananda from HiFiMan?

[@andrasnelhiebel6726]

Hi there, very high quality review as always! I find your opinion on the LCD sound quite interesting, as they match very much mine. I was also researching this from a Harman point of view and I found that when you reduce the upward slope in the upper mids, the "mid" mids (around 500-1000Hz) get in focus, and the headphone starts to sound - I don't have better word for it - boxey. As you would sing through a tube. It takes away from the clarity and forwardness from the vocals as well. This may be relaxing, though I am not a fan from it personally. I found this trait to be universal in basically all open LCD headphones that I listened to. And to a lesser extent with the Aeon closed, as you can see its FR curves. I also agree with your assessment in the bass area. They are not pumped up, so the LCDs are - contrary to the majority's view - not bass heavy at all. I feel their character is that full midrange sound, which is lush and dark, and that is why people find it bassy. But when I listen to them against my TH-X00, you are pretty much reminded by Fostex, how great subbass sounds! Now the treble is also interesting, particularly on the 2C. They are a bit reduced, and forgiving, but they extend very well. I have a song with a singular 15k peak in it (some fuck up in the mixing), and I always test treble extension with it. I can hear on my M50x, TH-X00, DT1990. I cannot clearly hear it, but feel the air in the K712, DT880, and it is dead on the MSR7 and the PM-3. I could clearly hear it with the 2C, so the soft treble is not due to some roll-off. Looking at your EQ profile, I highly suggest you to take a look at the 2C Closed. They reduced the mid mids, therefore upper mids and bass stand more in the focus. Maybe a bit too strong in the midbass and the treble - particulary for you I am less sensitive as I figured that out - but definitely very good. I enjoyed it very much. Z would probably hate its forwardness. Oh and if you want to review awful headphones, look no further than Ultrasone. Their line-up is consistently fucked up from 100 $ to 2500 $ with harsh treble and unnatural timbre. I am always wondering how they even exist. Keep up with the good work, cheers!

[@xsouldriverx]

I have two ultrasones and love them both outside of extended comfort. The thing i like is the highs hit with the same feel as if i was in the room with an instrument. The sizzle of symbols or sliding your fingers up and down a guitars strings feels the same on the cans than as if i were playing that guitar. I can see how people dont like that, especially when coming from more neutral brands.

[@WattsOnTheUp]

metal, the new EQ profile for the LCD-2C sounds so much better than the original. I'm really glad I checked this video again and noticed the update! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I love these cans! Keep it up with the great reviews!

[@metal571]

I updated it again last night, 10.5k was getting on my nerves. Now it sounds a lot closer to the 650. Check back again later tonight or tomorrow for one more tweak

[@WattsOnTheUp]

Will do! 10.5k doesn't bother me too much, though I prefer the new setting overall. 4 and 6k changes does it for me! Did some A-Bing with my 650s (well 6xx..) and you're right new EQ brings the sound signature of the two closer. That 6k dip... :-P After I bought the LCD-2C I thought I was gonna sell the 6xx, but they're just too good not to keep, and at THAT price!

[@metal571]

Yeah I prefer the much better bass extension and wider soundstage. With EQ the treble can be brought closer in line to 650 target as well, clearly

[@SuperReview]

I can tell you're not Tyll because you don't clear your throat loudly into the microphone every 30 seconds. (I miss him, too.)

[@frosty6845]

He also didn't fart

[@JTCPingas]

lmao

[@Satyajit_Dey]

I am sure he misses him more.. see that Shirt!

[@cryptoclyps5049]

Wish there were more reviewers like you Metal!

[@marcusbryant2007]

like the shirt and the intro and especially the review

[@jeedmodorn5494]

Thanks to your EQ my LCD2c is even sweeter sounding

[@alexanderliustar]

hello, metal! nice seeing you again

[@oppressorable]

Nice review. I have not heard any of those headphones but i really like that you distinguish technicalities from frequency response. Everyone hearing is different and a free equalizer, can more often than not, correct the problem. Technicalities can't be corrected so flaws in technicalities should be pointed much more in most reviews.

[@metal571]

Yeah that's why I always analyze detail levels and soundstage since an equalizer can typically correct minor frequency response issues but it can't add transient response speed to the driver or increase the soundstage

[@JioFreedOfOphan]

It's been a while, we missed you.

[@metal571]

I released a cal review recently as well

[@megazine]

My question for you @metal571 is how will you be experiencing Red Dead Redemption 2; which headset? I watched some reviews this morning and they say the sound is incredible from outside gun fire to indoor gunfire. All with their own detail with each gun having their own sound signature. Game will run at Native 4K exclusively on Xbox X.

[@lunarnoctis5924]

Got my X in last night and couldn’t take them off for 6 hours straight. I’ll agree and say the upper mid and low treble needs a bit of bump up (snares are quieter than they should be) but I adore them. Would recommend in a heartbeat.

[@maimedlord6999]

Same here. I just sat for hours. Truly life changing!

[@cryptoclyps5049]

jesus did you buy the optional neck brace?

[@metal571]

The newest ones are closer to 600g than 700 luckily. But still very heavy. My LCD2 is around 550g with the carbon headband and 2021 pads

[@metalpiston1212]

I dont't get the issues people have with the weight. I was worried before purchasing them but then I've had no problem wearing them for 8 hours straight at a time, and this is coming from someone who used to own HD650. However, my suspension strap has stretched to the point that it is useless now, but I still find them comfortable regardless. Note that my LCD X is a 2020 version which is supposed to be lighter.

[@danidingo977]

I’m a noob when it comes to EQ. Doesn’t the amp also come into play when considering EQ? Thx

[@daniluzzu]

Great review! I have 2 questions for you: 1) Which one sounds darker to you between the above-reviewed Audezes and the HD650? (asking because I know the 650 sound and never heard the Audezes) 2) What is the deal with DSP using a multibit DAC? Some say that software Eq-ing in a rig with a MB DAC simply spoils the benefits of multibit. Curious to hear your take on this.

[@metal571]

I compare everything to the HD 650 so the impressions of describing the sound here specifically apply to that. Multibit DACs being some kind of exception with EQ is preposterous. EQ affects the signal going into the DAC, not the conversion to analog.

[@morbue7575]

A very good close Friends offerd me the LCD-X (baught in 2016) in like new condition for 600€ including someone little addons like a new custom cable the carbon headband + better leather headband + all the of stuff, what do you think ? I couldn’t test them because he is living in another country but after reading about the big variations on the audeze lcd-headphones i was a little scarred, would love to hear what you think

[@patjcoan]

Thanks for all the info, just picked up my LCD-X's

[@metal571]

This is pretty old so the new late 2020 revision has a revised driver and new pads if you are buying new. I have a loaner at the moment and it's much better, tuning wise, but can still be helped further with some EQ

[@patjcoan]

@@metal571 I saw that right after i posted, thank you! That makes it easy for an idiot like me :D

[@eat_ze_bugs]

I used to own the LCD-X 2014 and 2018 version. They were so different they didn't even sounded like they were made by the same company.

[@metal571]

I had a similar experience with a pre 2016 revision LCD3F. Older LCD-Xs apparently have a lot of variation compared to the new ones as well. After the 2016 driver revision across all LCD models, sound quality across the board has improved in both FR and resolution for Audeze products. Wouldn't recommend buying any LCDs from before that revision, and buying a 2018+ is even better now that all the products are using a much more comfortable headband as well

[@bluematrix5001]

as always very good...please do you by any chance tried the Grace Design M900 vs the Aune S6? I am looking for a great Headphone amp for my LCD-X.. I want a clean, balanced headphone amp... no coloration but that sounds great..is for Mixing

[@ChristopherAnnunziata]

Hey Metal! I bought and installed the newest accessory leather LCD pads on my launch 2C’s last week - I know your EQ is based on the old pleather pads. How would you generally adjust it with the new pads if you had to take a guess? Thanks!

[@kafkaworkshere]

Good, detailed analysis. Z's charm and charisma makes for an entertaining presentation but your careful analysis, with good details, is more useful.

[@metal571]

This is now out of date with the new revision that was released starting around November 2020, I'm trying to get a new rev unit in to at least talk about on my Twitter now that this channel is retired

[@Michaeltsui1189]

Are you going to do a review on those CB-1s your wearing?

[@joshgoetz2477]

Awesome review! I agree with most of what you said about the 2C. That 1k shout is definitely there on mine. Just getting into EQ so I was wondering whats the Q for the LCD2C Low Shelf Filter? I assumed since it was blank you meant 1 but if I do that it the FR starts rising at around 500 Hz. Is that what you intended?

[@metal571]

There is no Q. It is the default low shelf filter in EqualizerAPO, not a customizable Q on that specific filter

[@joshgoetz2477]

@@metal571 weird it allows me to put in a Q on my low shelf filter and I don't know how to set it to default. I did however set the Q to 10 which starts the rise right after 200 Hz which sounds about right to me.

[@metal571]

A 100 Hz Harman style shelf should roll off mostly by 150 Hz or so and completely by 200 so that sounds about right

[@joshgoetz2477]

@@metal571 Yeah thats exactly what I have right now. You weren't wrong when you said the LCD FR can vary a good amount. I only am taking off around 3dB right now at 6k. Could just be my ears and I am still playing around with it but based on some SBAF measurements the unevenness in upper mids and lower treble can vary a decent amount. Regardless I'm getting closer to my hd6xx's tonality which is ideal.

[@arefinkhandaker4370]

Metal 571, do you think lcd x’s are a good option for regular usage in online competitive gaming and casual listening ? Is the clamping force too much for these ?

[@b1lf435]

Which are better for gaming? I mostly play FPS and have a decently powerful amp (THX 887) and clean amp (SMSL SU-8).

[@JasonDkiran]

Can someone please tell me how to apply the EQ setting that Metal has listed for the LCD -X. Do I just use APO or do I use peace also? Detailed explanation would be great . Thanks

[@DBSTH0R]

Thank you for the review and comparison. What is interesting and struck me from the conclusion is that you don't recommend LCD-X becuse it needs more EQ than the LCD-2 C, yet you very much like the HD800 that needs a helluva lot more EQ before you start liking it. Or did I missunderstand that... :) ?

[@metal571]

You didn't misunderstand that. I actually don't really use my HD 800 anymore because of my LCD2F. So I guess I changed my mind. Just way too much EQ

[@DBSTH0R]

@@metal571 Makes sense. If by any chance you do read this: I have my eyes set on two higher end cans: LCD-X and Focal Clear. Which one would you pick? I know Tyl spoke very highly of the Clear. However, it isn't a planar magnetic...

[@Marccampbell36]

Great review.

[@TheArminin]

Love your videos and everything. I have an idea for your next video, How about a video that you show us What headphone is good to buy for what kinda need. For example, If someone needs more base and sub base you can buy Aragon MK3 or Fostex, If you need to hear Clear Vocal The Sennheiser HDs or Focal clear is for you This can be a useful video for every beginner.

[@Sarcasman1]

With your updated LCD2C EQ, your preamp is -3 dB. Should this be -6 dB considering your 8000 Hz gain is 6 dB? Or is the 8000 Hz gain wrong? Seems a little high maybe Thanks for the review/EQ either way!

[@metal571]

Some peak filters pull other peak filters around with them. I use the resultant graph rather than the gain of any one filter to guide the preamp instead which isn't always obvious just looking at the preset

[@Sarcasman1]

@@metal571 Perfect, cheers

[@DerpyNoodIe]

I just recently bought the LCD-X, it comes this Sunday. I'm hoping that it won't have any QC issues. I wish they would test them before putting them on the market.

[@4bdull784]

Where did you buy it from?

[@dynamic-audio]

Hi metal. Excuse me. All the LCD X (including early versions) has the FAzor waveguide? Or we have the same of lcd2, a fazor and no fazor models?

[@metal571]

I believe they are all fazored when it comes to the LCD-X yes, unlike the LCD2 and LCD3 which predate the fazor tech

[@dynamic-audio]

​@@metal571 ​ oh thank you so much for you soon response. I have the opportunity of buy a early version of lcd X at only 500 USD!!! in very good condition. But the seller doesnt specify if it is fazor. I asked him if he could check if the driver grill has the pyramid waveguide but doesnt response me. And i am afraid that somebody buy it before me due the low price (Is very extrange in Mexico that kind of bargains) hahahaha. Thanks again metal.

[@metal571]

@@dynamic-audio early LCDXs even with their fazors had a lot of variation and I highly recommend against buying one made before the 2016 revision

[@ganyimiklos]

It’s so interesting. For me, I still feel lcd2c bright. 😁

[@ThisIsBull45]

How would you compare the LCD-X to the LCD-3?

[@tareqhaider6327]

How is HD800 suited for 50% gaming,50% music(EDM,Pop,Rock,Metal)? Any better option or combo for this scenario? Software EQ or Schiit Loki which will you prefer with HD800 or any other TOTL headphone.

[@metal571]

Need a powerful parametric EQ but then the HD 800 will do anything you want

[@derekw.5108]

Have you ever tried EQing your HD650 to match the frequency response of LCD3 between 25Hz-5kHz? I think HD650 sounds great with it! However, I would like to hear what peoples who have actually listened to LCD3 think. Thank you!

[@metal571]

It won't accurate produce the bass quite the same way. Harmonic distortion would be very high especially in sub bass at higher volumes

[@derekw.5108]

metal571 Thank you for the prompt reply! I do understand that there is absolutely no way to make HD650 to sound even close to as good as LCD3 in deep bass. However, according to the FR graph generated from Headroom, you only need to bump up 1dB at 25Hz and 30Hz to match the LCD3's subbass. Hence, I don't think the harmonic distortion would be very high if any.

[@derekw.5108]

metal571 BTW I'm talking about LCD3 with Fazor which is much weaker in deep subbass.

[@metal571]

I see it now. Jeeze that's bad, I don't think the LCD3s I've heard actually roll off to that degree

[@derekw.5108]

metal571 Guess there is no way for me to know then... There is not a single shop selling Audeze HPs in Christchurch, New Zealand. Sigh! Thanks for your prompt reply anyway!

[@koutcheroukheinrich9935]

Hello... I wonder which models you refer to by saying "better resolving planars"? I'm really interested into buying a high-end planar magnetic headphone, but Audeze feels like a lottery indeed to me...

[@metal571]

The really expensive stuff. Susvara, HE1000, LCD4.

[@koutcheroukheinrich9935]

Expensive stuff indeed... Though I would stay far, far away from Hifiman... Just reading the reviews on Amazon (HE1000, for instance) feels terrible. LCD4, I guess should suffer from the same famous Audeze variation...

[@metal571]

Lol Amazon reviews are not very trustworthy but hifiman quality has been suspect in general for a while. Audeze variation still exists but supposedly is tighter now. When you pay that much for the LCD4 you can get the unit specific frequency response and if you don't like it they will exchange

[@metal571]

Would love to try those out, I already know the LCD4 itself is incredibly amazing and those are supposed to be a lightweight easier to drive alternative. Which makes me confused why the LCD-4Z exists...

[@maretus666]

I have to play with my unit ? Done and done !!

[@Abnotus]

Any thoughts on the LC2C for potential gaming on the side? Been considering getting them but want to retain at least pretty good positional audiofor fps games and dead by daylight

[@JTCPingas]

LCD2C might be too laid back for gaming. HD 800 is god tier for gaming, IMO.

[@GamersInkInfo]

Hey man, in your EQ for the LCDX where you didnt put down a Q value for 100Hz and 6000Hz, should the value be 0 or 1?

[@metal571]

Those aren't peak filters that's why, they should say LS or HS instead of PK, but I can't look at the moment

[@legione1capone]

What do you use to eq your headphones? Do you do it by ear or do you have a measurement rig?

[@metal571]

I use measurements to guide me but ultimately it's what I hear with music that defines the final EQ. EqualizerAPO and Peace, I made a video on it

[@stephanej.871]

The dark Tyll style !

[@vampula12]

Nice intro, dude (rip innerfidelity)

[@brandonin_ny]

Josh V. made a similar video today and had the direct opposite opinion regarding soundstage. I am new to the headphone "game", so i'm confused how soundstage could be so different from one person to the next, considering its just how wide or intimate a headphone sounds. A wider soundstage feels fairly important to me since i currently have HD600's & HD650's, which are considered narrow. I'm confused, haha

[@metal571]

I know, I saw it too and have no idea why.

[@Miskatonic-University]

There are so many revisions and such a huge variability even among units from same revision than comparing impressions is almost pointless. There are some superb pre-fazor LCD-2 rev 2 "unicorns" that outperform everything up to a 4, while many other and specially after the fazor are kind of "meh" for the price. Also the issue with sudden driver failure and wood cracking, specially on the earlier non-bamboo units. Audeze is a lottery and I feel it shouldn't be that way with such a steep price. Even among the newer LCD-2Cs significant differences in the frequency response have been found comparing different units.

[@Miskatonic-University]

@ Brandon If you want a wide soundstage buy a pair of HD800 and don't look back. However be aware it's a complete different hp to the 6X series, fantastic for orchestral music, not so much for bassier pop/rock or vocals (but you have the 6s for vocals already).

[@andrasnelhiebel6726]

If you want wide soundstage and excellent instrument separation for a bargain and you can live with a little bumpy upper midrange (ACDC can get shouty), buy a pair of K712. They have the most spacious soundstage I am aware of under one grand. And if you watch Josh's or metal's review, they kind of agree on that. Even Z as he recommends it strongly for gaming.

[@metal571]

The DT880 has a bit better imaging than the AKGs, which are mostly just a wide sound. But the 712 improves on the imaging of the 701/702 etc. Both are significantly brighter than the HD 600

[@jurumal]

Updooted that Like button for the intro.

[@djusha]

Inside the LCD-2C EqualizerAPO EQ Preset What do LS and PK stand for? Low Shelf and Peak?

[@metal571]

Yes

[@dynamic-audio]

Hi bro!! Excuse me. What do you think about the sound of LCD2.2 Pre fazor vs LCD2 Fazor? I want to buy one of both. Maybe today hehehe.

[@metal571]

Have not spent enough time with any prefazors to have an opinion. I'm about to review the LCD2F though

[@dynamic-audio]

​@@metal571 i have read many opinions. Some people say that prefazor has a narrow soundstage but more detail in mids and highs. And the difference adding waveguide (fazor) just helps to increase soundstage but the quality of details is less. I don't know what to chose. I think i will go for the prefazor version. I will compare with my audeze LCDc and i will tell you my thougths. Let me tagg you on my instagram profile in order to tell you my impresions bro :) hehehehe . By the way, thank you so much for your reply bro!!!

[@emmanuelpalmer8108]

Between sennheiser hd 660s and lcd 2c, which sounds better without equalisation?

[@mclement052164]

I think it depends on the amp. I'm a entry level audiphool. I own Sennheiser HD700, HD6XX, HIFIMAN 4XX, and Audeze LCD-2. For my music sources I have a yamaha home theater receiver rx-a860, LGV30 android phone, darkvoice 336 se tube amp and a Schiit Magni 3 amp. The Audeze and hifiman sound like hell amped through the darkvoice. The Sennheisers sound better on the Darkvoice than my planar magnetic cans. IMHO, everything sounds better amped through the Magni 3. Unamped, straight from my phone, there are notable differences, but it's hard to say if 1 is better than the other. So, my experience is consistent with what I've read, regarding planar magnetics, they don't do well with tube amps, and perform better with solid state amps. Not all SS are equal, but I'm very pleased with the Schiit Magni 3 and feel no need to look any further.

[@alexpea22]

You should post a video where you show how the EQ is applied on the LCD-X.

[@metal571]

Made a video on EqualizerAPO already. Chrono's LCD-2F review also shows how

[@mikylenaidoo1779]

How much of a difference will I noticed going from a Sony MDR z7 (tape mod) to the lcd2C ?

[@mikylenaidoo1779]

@Chidi U wow ! thank you for taking the time to give me such an in depth response, it really has helped me kick the lcd2c off my possible upgrade list i like the impact of the z7 , just wish i had more resolution and separation with them, i will try and source a store that has the lcd x so i can try them, thanks mate!

[@redbarnbko]

If you get the HE 560 please for the love of god order a pair of Focus A pads. The stock ones do not reflect their capabilities very well. Oh and you also need a stupid amp to properly power them. Don't dismiss them easily man. That pair in that form provides insane value (I'd argue that more than any other headphone in any other price range)

[@atticustay1]

Does the LCD X actually sound better with an amp, or does it just increase the volume?

[@bratosin1]

Even the earbuds sound better , figure out a 1000.2000 pair of headphones , is not about the volume is about the control and the sub bass needs a lot of power to sound full , they sound 10 times better ? Nope , but they sound better and fuller with dac/amp

[@MESSENGER-of-JESUS-CHRIST]

Ps your voice is gorgeous!!!

[@davidmason8212]

Between LCD2 and LCDX which one do you prefer ?? Do you prefer getting B stock LCDX from Audeze website ???

[@metal571]

I mean I did say in the review that they're both good for their price points, meaning the X is pretty clearly an upgrade. I would only buy B stock if you get a full warranty. Don't buy an Audeze without a warranty

[@davidmason8212]

@@metal571 ok I am going to take that in consideration many thanks for your clear and rapid response

[@mikelanzafame3401]

Have u tried the m60x?

[@Voidward]

Interesting, I eq all my headphones to have a dip around 4-6k and boost around 1k, as that sounds natural to my ears. The LCD2c sound like the most pleasant mids to me out of the box. My EQ just looks like a bowl on the 2cs, I even have a tony zit at 1k where you have a dip. I guess everyone's ears are different.

[@metal571]

It's really a case of preference and what you're used to. Generally I find my HD 660S to be about as uncolored as I've heard in the mids so I check against that as a reference

[@Voidward]

@@metal571 I used to have hd 650s. I did not find them natural at all, and my eq for them was very whacky.

[@KazeSword]

You touched on it briefly and I know the LCD-x doesn't compare to the HD800 in soundstage size, but how does imaging accuracy compare between the two? I have the same question regarding the T1 version 1 and LCD-x also. Just been looking for there open back headphones with the most accurate imaging; one that is spectacular for gaming also.

[@metal571]

The T1 is the ultimate gaming can still

[@JoeyB736]

Thanks metal

[@Tential1]

I'm new to this Channel but did you just forget which reviewer you were?

[@metal571]

? I don't understand

[@Tential1]

@@metal571 must be a joke in community. I just figured out you said tyll here and judging by comments looks like that was a joke.

[@metal571]

Oh lol this must have been the time I wore a Hawaiian shirt or something, guess I forgot

[@scottl8089]

I actually preferred the pre-2016 LCD-X's to the later revision(s).

[@metal571]

I wonder what a "good" pre 2016 pair sounded like, not sure I got a chance to hear one of those

[@scottl8089]

@@metal571The pre-2016 units were slightly darker and at least mine had better bass impact and quantity. Of course the "unit variation" is always the kicker with Audeze, especially with their earlier LCD's. I had 2 pre-fazor LCD-3's, one early unit and one right before they switched to the fazor. The early one was much warmer and had some funky upper mid issues. The later unit was much more balanced overall and I still own it.

[@mexxxxximum]

Is this a real upgrade from the Sennis HD-600's?

[@metal571]

That is a typical upgrade path yes. But the 2C is quite a bit darker than even the 650 out of the box.

[@rlsmurfaccount6191]

Your EQ profile sounds better than oratory1990's verison. I know you look at him for the EQ stuff, but I like your version way better. It just sounds less fked with and still gets the bass, detail, and everything inbetween

[@metal571]

I adjust by ear, graphs are only a rough guide

[@metal571]

Also it depends on which revision you have now. LCD-X is totally different as of November 2020, and LCD-2C uses different pads as of then as well

[@rlsmurfaccount6191]

@@metal571 Oh, well i bought the lcd x a week or so ago, but with your EQ, it still sounds really good, and again, just more open. I will look into the post november EQ settings if anyone has any

[@metal571]

Ok mine doesn't apply by any means then. Take a look at resolve's review over at the headphone show channel and tweak your own profile starting with his presets instead. I haven't heard that one yet

[@rlsmurfaccount6191]

@@metal571 Cool, thanks for the help man. Much appreciated

[@midorihibiki]

The Sennheiser HD800s are amplifiers picky so I am not surprised you need to EQ your HD800 to enjoy the music. Try HD800 with a OTL amplifier or buy a used hdva600 (the Sennheiser amplifier made to drive HD600-650-700 and HD800) and you will be surprised how wonderfull HD800 will sound at balanced mode. And try with a R2R dac too. Most of Delta-sigma dacs can not do justice to a neutral HD800. Thanks for your review.

[@metal571]

No well designed amp will change the highs by over 10 dB

[@L0nkero]

Are you going to review CB1 soon?

[@metal571]

Eventually. I got a decent list of stuff people are sending me that they want reviewed first

[@cryptogymbro]

0:00 Tyll here, from Inner Fidelity

[@metal571]

That's my goal

[@cryptogymbro]

@@metal571 we got Oluv for that, sorry spot is taken 🙃😁

[@serban2139]

so uhm price to performance audeze lcd2c

[@MRFUTURETECHNOLOGYGAMING]

The the akg k1000 sounstage is still larger than the sennheiser hd 800

[@Borednlonely]

can you please do a review on the sony mdr z1r

[@MCSquidward]

should i go with the lcd 2cs or lcd gx

[@tbone8546]

I’m new to all this stuff and I’ve been debating getting a really nice pair of headphones and considering LCD-2C’s.. is that a good place to start? Kind of torn between those or Argon Mk3’s.. advice anyone?

[@metal571]

Lol argon not even close to Audeze technical ability. Just be aware of the LCD2C weight

[@tbone8546]

metal571 yeah I figured they’re each for entirely different purposes. I don’t think the weight would bother me. Everyone seems to say good thing about the 2C’s I think I just want to experience them. I’ve never had a pair of headphones like this. Maybe I should just start with a set like HD6xx.. would need an amp to drive anything anyways

[@metal571]

@@tbone8546 interestingly and somewhat comically the LCD2C will run fine from "regular" sources. HD 650 is quite insensitive and reacts poorly to high output impedance by comparison.

[@wabbasMEpern]

They include a nice travel case in 2021 for $1199.

[@metal571]

And have pads with a much more functional frequency response than this

[@akajeetv6100]

dude, please, give me advice about budget headphones (100-150 for new) with best soundstage.

[@DBHHellhound]

Bro try and get the Monolith M1060. Look at some reviews.

[@twotrees510]

add an extra 50 bucks to your budget and get the Sennheiser HD 6xx. its the same as the legendary sennheiser HD650s with a massdrop reskin.

[@megazine]

Hat in Grand Canyon but 6XX lacks soundstage which is what he wants

[@twotrees510]

@@megazine HD 6XX has crazy soundstage! They're often used as a reference across the industry for their soundstage!

[@megazine]

Can you point to a major review on youtube that makes that claim? I own the 6XX and also the 4XX, K7XX, 598 which all have wider soundstage. 6XX are known to have narrow soundstage but not very narrow. The HD800 have very wide soundstage.

[@wcg66]

The New Tyll?

[@mikkol79]

What equalizer do you use?

[@mikkol79]

Equalizer APO?

[@Thome90]

if this headphone sound amazing and are called by some the end-game with 20 ohm, why would you even make headphones that are hard to drive? (250 ohm etc...) i always thought high impedance etc was to ensure a higher sound quality....

[@metal571]

Not really the same thing when it comes to planars as far as I understand. With dynamics the higher impedance allows for a lighter weight voice coil for lower overall moving mass. Planars are harder to drive mainly due to their sensitivity rather than impedance. Amplifiers need a lot of current to drive them

[@orionxavier6957]

9:20 "Bass, of course, which we always start with." YES. Why can't all reviewers do this? It's what's missing (sub-bass) in most headphones and should be the priority when reviewing. Since there's no point listening for 10-20 minutes through a review about every other detail just to get to the bass to find it lacking! Best review of the LCD-2C. I really appreciate the EQ settings too.

[@metal571]

And in the end I ended up retiring with an LCD-2F. Same unit max settings reviewed. With a touch of EQ it is amazing and I still use it every day

[@paulusmaximus1814]

New Webcam?

[@metal571]

Same C920

[@notsurenone2199]

thanks

[@jeffcook3901]

Bookmarked.

[@ELSA-ex4ph]

Tyll shout out if only he liked the focal clear 🤔

[@tyquan1000finest]

In terms of having a overall flat sound the lcd1 seems better like the lcdx is not a upgrade since the lcdx has more flat frequency response problems. Like upgrading from the lcd1 to the lcdx is taking a few steps forward but a few steps backwards at the same time. Maybe a newer lcdx2 will have a = or better flat frequency response!

[@metal571]

The higher end LCDs don't necessarily win on FR, they win on bass dynamics, soundstage, and detail, all stuff you won't see on a graph. But you are correct to criticize their natural FR.

[@tyquan1000finest]

metal571 I’m sold! I’m going to buy the lcd1 today. It has everything i need for mixing & mastering like the hd600 dose but dose it overall better because it has bass. They have no sacrifice in sound quality. The imaging is not the best but to be a lil bit better or equal imaging to the HD650 is a big deal for headphones at the $500 & below price point. Thanks very much for your critical listening and comparing headphones. You helped me pick a better option then the hd600 for hip hop & Electronic bass heavy music. I been checking out different reviews on different headphones for something in the $500 or below range. Finally my journey ends lol 😂 If all they Products have a 3 year warranty like you said. It’s hands down a better choice. The hd600 & hd650 only have a 2 year warranty

[@metal571]

@@tyquan1000finest they do, except Mobius I believe. Also transferable when it's bought used. If you're buying one new, buy it through a dealer and ask for their best price. Don't pay msrp.

[@tyquan1000finest]

metal571 thanks for the hookup on the ask for a deal. I was going to wait for Black Friday for a deal but thought nah they new so it won’t be a deal on it most likely. But if a Black Friday deal happens guitar center & b&h have price difference reimbursement for 60days for the holidays. In NY they still don’t have them yet. They only have them if I preorder & they will arrive on the 16th they said. Can I still get a discount if they not even in stock yet?

[@metal571]

@@tyquan1000finest yes. Ask Bloom Audio for their best price on it, you can still pre-order

[@JoeyB736]

I thought it was kind of strange Josh was saying the 2c had a bigger soundstage even without a fazor, and since it's said the x has better treble.

[@metal571]

Yeah I don't know why. I can only tell you guys what I hear, can't speak for other reviewers. Part of the reason fazors were originally added is to increase the soundstage quality iirc so it only makes sense for the modern X and even the standard LCD2 to beat the 2C

[@WillTheSage]

New sub from Josh hello hello :)

[@davidmason8212]

As you say the lcdx has a really serious driver variant . Jusha said the lcd2c has a wider soundstage and have said the vice versa . I am sure both of you are honest but I don't know why audeze didn't fix this variant. i would never buy an lcdx or recommend anyone to buy it.

[@metal571]

I have the newest one and a crappy example of it that's grainier than it should be (same one Max reviewed recently). Stage is still wider on the X, so saying the 2C stage is wider is just wrong. But the current X has major issues with the FR (it sounds just like Resolve measured it)

[@davidmason8212]

@@metal571 I agree with you about that We are already missing your great reviews hope you can get back soon