THE SMASHING PUMPKINS Aghori Mhori Mei REVIEW + All Albums RANKED

[@MetalTrenches]

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[@brandonvanharen2552]

Siamese Dream is one of the best records ever made in my honest opinion.

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, and Adore are brilliant records. Lots of great deep cuts on those records, alongside singles.

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

man MCIS and Adore had some of the best b-sides. that whole MCIS era could have been released as like a 10 disc set together and it would have still been a tremendous record. And For Martha and Blank Page from Adore can still totally floor my ass. my all time favorite band. i was fucking OBSESSED with them from 1995-2003

[@Cwin-ny6bp]

I need to check out Adore more. Completely agree on the other two.

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

@ndesdsadfd BIG FACTS dude. 😎 i used to make CD-R compilations of super rare Smashing Pumpkins songs as well as all the B-Sides. i listened to those copies in my car more than i listened to the actual albums as far as the SP went. 🎃

[@craigfishburn5206]

Gish?

[@S-jq1yk]

One of the greatest back-to-back-to-back runs ever IMO

[@dtm2078]

You gotta love "The End Is The Beginning Is The End" single as well🤘🏾

[@kirkwarburton2277]

I’ve loved and followed this band since ‘93. I think the new album is their best since the 90’s - loving it. Just saw them live, they were great as ever. My tier list is… 10/10 - Siamese Dream. MCIS. 9/10 - Gish. Adore. Machina. 8.5/10 - Pisces Escariot. Aghori M M. 8/10 - Oceania. . 7/10 -. Zeitgeist. Shiny and Bright. ATUM. 6/10 - Monuments to an Elegy. Cyr.

[@AltRock0827]

Very good commentary and reflections. This guy's ratings are almost completely on point.

[@secularspectator]

Great tier list as always mate, Bodies is probs one of my fav pumpkins song of all time..

[@AzorAhai224]

Bodies is my fave song of all time

[@vomzy]

bodies is the best. best song to play when you sad or angry

[@EIN91]

Zeitgeist Was/is amazing. Incredibly underrated

[@NarrowShouldersOpenMind]

It's hard to explain in a KZbin comment but it has some of their most sophisticated songwriting and arranging ever. An orchestra could cover Doomsday Clock or Bring the Light and it would be very satisfying.

[@MrRoundthetwist]

One of their best I agree 💯

[@thepolacek]

I was surprised he had it that low.

[@rich-s6c]

I agree. It might have just been my excitement for them being back but I love that album. Especially, Death From Above, C'mon Let's Go, and Zeitgeist.

[@thepolacek]

@@rich-s6c I really liked stars and that’s the way my love is

[@apoplexiamusic]

Machina doesn't get enough love. Plus Melissa Auf Der Mar played on it. I was lucky enough to stand right behind her at a show in Montreal in 2006 or so. I didn't want the show to end... Also it's good to know what good material they have after that album. I just never gave them another chance after Machina 2

[@thenewholistic]

Melissa only served as touring bassist, never on any recordings

[@kkrsnn5632]

Melissa's albumu are pretty good

[@andrewface]

@@thenewholistic this is mostly correct but I believe she is credited on bside David Essex ‘rock on’ cover.

[@Charliehund100]

Totally agree about Machina, especially Machina I. Lots of great tracks on that one.

[@notsure1135]

No, she toured that album, Billy played those bass tracks.

[@masterknife8423]

I love how you love the Landslide cover. It doesn't even sound like a cover it's that great

[@MetalTrenches]

Yeah I actually didn't know until a year or two after I heard it.

[@cloogleflurmf6698]

I love when you do videos about non metal from time to time!

[@Zen-yt8jj]

Its a return to form for sure

[@Bradford659]

Jellybelly is another particular great rockin’ song from Mellon Collie

[@cjod7916]

Sorry man, but Oceania and Atum are not better than Pisces and Machina II. You dropped the ball on that one

[@AZ-hg6kw]

Especially, when tracks like "Obscured" & "Whir" are in this competition. Not to mention the raw rock from the rest of Iscariot.

[@flukenukeem]

@@AZ-hg6kwStarla is a favorite of mine

[@Cian._.]

Man discovers personal opinion and is DISGUSTED

[@robertcunningham2777]

Facts. Pisces Rocks. (So does Aeroplane)

[@Luke_Radiosmash]

I'd say switch Oceania and Pisces.

[@edmon7943]

On second and third listening and I think it’s pretty badass. Smashing Pumpkins were my favorite band from 1994-1999ish, so will always hold a special place in my heart

[@doomusrlc]

Also for stuff to add in, this band has a BUNCH of b-sides from the 90s that weren't on Pisces Iscariot (mostly from Mellon Collie sessions) that are amazing as well. The Aeroplane Flies High, God, Mouths of Babes, being high on the list for me. Plus "The End is the Beginning is the End" which was only on Batman and Robin soundtrack (or was it Batman Forever?) is a banger.

[@dynamicphotography_]

For me, this is one of your better videos. I'm a SP nerd. Great list and commentary. Now I need to go review some of the deep cuts. LOL

[@andrewface]

I mostly agree with your rankings -maybe I would move Atum down one. Nice job of reviewing all of the albums and keeping it mostly positive and upbeat!

[@professorghoulish]

I find it very interesting that one can describe Siamese Dream - an album with one track consisting of (if memory serves) 40 layers of guitar - as 'stripped back' and still be justified in calling it such against what followed.

[@jasonboardman2796]

I didn't expect The Smashing Pumpkins just put out a new album Damn.😮

[@NarrowShouldersOpenMind]

Also, their back catalogue is way more vast than this ranking suggests (Teargarden by Kaleidyscope, If All Goes Wrong era, Zodeon at Crystal Hall, pre-Gish, etc.)

[@CraigMader]

I feel like there's a 90s/00s indie rock revival going on in metal via the blackgaze and postmetal movements. It's fascinating because much of it sounds like the edgier, more obscure indie stuff from back in the day. WEEN, MEDICINE, FUDGETUNNEL, EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY, DINOSAUR JR, MY BLOODY VALENTINE, FISHBONE, L7, BIKINI KILL(& many many others) all taking on new relevance as metal influences. Sadly, still no one seems to care about MORPHINE.

[@Cwin-ny6bp]

I love My Bloody Valentine and Dinosaur Jr. I’d say a lot of those bands had some casual relation to metal/hardcore, so it’s not too surprising that things have come full circle.

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

ahhhh my all time favorite band! even if i haven't cared much for anything they have put out since the Machina Era, their 90's stuff was absolutely my favorite music ever and probably still is. haven't heard the new record yet but i'll give it a cursory listen at least. either way, good to see ya giving props to The Pumpkins my dude. 😎

[@MoskauProductions]

It was Billy Corgan and Kurt Cobain that made me into a strat nerd. Literally all my guitars are an S shaped guitar (aside from acoustics). Great video dude!

[@gabriellongworth]

Takes me back to elementary when my oldest brother was introducing me to them and many others.

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

The Pumpkins were one of those bands you just wanted to show everyone to so they could all enjoy it as much as you. I was always out there pounding the pavement for this band lol. i still consider them oddly underrated, even though they have had multiple platinum records and a vast fan base. the coolest thing about the Pumpkins in the 90's was i knew punks, preps, skaters, stoners, jocks, goths, and metal heads who all loved The Pumpkins. and anytime you would see someone in a Smashing Pumpkins shirt, you were friends immediately lol good stuff!

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

***show to everyone. jeeze that was a messy comment. i was watching a video about aliens while typing it. 😂

[@drewskkiiii]

Their best 3 albums are Gish, Siamese Dreams & Mellon Collie

[@apoplexiamusic]

2:14 when i heard Fleetwood Mac's Landslide i was like "wait... isn't this a Smashing Pumpkins song?!" 😂

[@Cwin-ny6bp]

Fleetwood Mack circa their self-titled through Tusk (especially Rumors which is one of the best albums ever) is some truly fantastic stuff, though haha. I feel like I actually heard the Fleetwood Mack version of Landslide first.

[@bengreenbank]

@@Cwin-ny6bp I don't know how anyone who enjoys music with guitars in it could not love Rumours.

[@Cwin-ny6bp]

@@bengreenbank very true. Frankly it should have probably been a disaster with the interpersonal dysfunction, but it proved to be a masterpiece.

[@turnsout5061]

I'm still waiting for a Zeitgeist remix and deluxe reissue. I'm baffled as to why it hasn't happened yet. That one has been begging for a better mix and master from basically the week after release. Even a remaster (to undo the Loudness Wars mastering) would be welcome. Plus I've wanted it on vinyl forever. Is it the strongest SP album? Nope. But at times it's killer and I really think they did wrong by it with the original mix and master.

[@nuclearrabbit03]

I wish it was on Spotify or Apple Music too

[@GamerPastHisPrime]

I basically share your rankings except one… I’d swap Atum and Cyr. I don’t know what it was about Cyr, but I found I really enjoyed a lot of songs on it… Dulcet In E for some reason… I just love it. But I genuinely enjoy 80% of that album. Atum though… I mean it has some great songs, and you mentioned several. With Ado I Do is maybe one of my favourite pumpkin songs overall… but there were just so many songs I couldn’t get into. But I also listened to everything as it came out… I think now that it’s been out a while I may go back and revisit it. Was happy to see someone share my feelings on Oceania. I’m loving the new album, and after listening to it twice, I listened to Teargarden and Oceania after.

[@greenman3265]

I recently went back to atum and can confirm it still sucks. Agreed about Oceania!

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Only ever listened to "Siamese Dreams" and "Mellon Collie", seems I have some catching up to do lmao

[@MetalTrenches]

Do EEEEET. You at least need to finish the original run of albums

[@Cwin-ny6bp]

I’m not the most well versed in The Smashing Pumpkins, but the two albums in S-tier are amazing. I did like the opener from Zeitgeist. I feel like a good deal of their discography is quasi-metallic , as well.

[@kidbonesonline]

Siamese Dream and Adore are my favorite SP albums.

[@markwilliamson4834]

I have to say, I agree with every review and placement. You nailed it. But I think many Pumpkins fans would generally agree if they are being honest!

[@TheBarefootDrummer]

I wonder where you'd rank Zwan-MSOTS and BC The Future Embrace

[@gagadreams]

I literally agree with your entire rankings except for Adore which I'd rate perfection because it was so ahead of its time and still makes me cry to this day, especially if you know the backstory of how a lot of it is about his mom! Took a break yesterday from listening to nothing but Spiritbox all of 2024 since I credit their music saving my life this year, they took me out of the darkest time of my entire life and are now my favorite band ever! Anyway, listened to the new Pumpkins and I'm loving it, but the song War Dreams of Itself was eating at me about what that riff reminds me of and it turns out to be from the latest Chevelle album NIRATIAS, (Absolutely love the album start to finish all bangers) guitar tone and actual riff reminds me of that album plus especially the song Self Destructor so curious if you hear that, thanks!✌️

[@MetalTrenches]

@@gagadreams I could make a case for Adore in Perfection

[@braggingrightsmusic]

I’m a child. You got me with “not a window” 😂 I’m a pumpkins fan but the longer time goes on I struggle to connect with the newer stuff. The new album did throw some surprises at me though. They’re still good but it’s up to Machina for me where they were great 🤘 still love em though

[@MetalTrenches]

Yeah, I don't think it can ever be truly the same, especially if you grew up with those albums

[@elfedeus08]

Same here. I grew up with Siamese Dream & Melloncolie, but I lost their track after Machina. Trying to catch up their newer stuff. This record is pretty solid though.

[@dostwood5103]

You mentioned that Mellon Collie is one of the only double albums you enjoy from start to finish and that got me thinking, how do you feel about Pink Floyd's The Wall? Or Pink Floyd as a whole? I'm curious since this is mainly a metal channel, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on some more non-metal bands. I really enjoyed those non-metal album recommendation videos you put out a while back and tier lists like this. Great list!

[@MetalTrenches]

Not a big fan of The Wall, but I dig Dark Side Of The Moon and Wish You Were Here. I have a series where I talk about non-metal albums I enjoy you can find on here. I think I have done 3 or 4 of them now.

[@dostwood5103]

@@MetalTrenches Cool, thanks for the answer! The Wall is personally my favorite Pink Floyd album, but I totally get why it's not for everyone. If you haven't, I'd highly recommend checking out their pre-Dark Side era. There's a lot of gems and underrated albums from that era. And I'll check out those other videos of yours, thanks!

[@Postpunk-cx1ph]

Pretty much agree with all your listings here (except I’d drop Adore down lower). Great to see someone who doesn’t just dismiss everything after 2000!

[@olyfatcat]

Z is good ~ ‘7 shades of black’ and the yellow extra track ‘death from above’ is one of their best songs

[@planetofsoundpodcast9859]

My tier list (including a couple other projects/B-sides collections included) PERFECTION Siamese Dream Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness FANTASTIC Pisces Iscariot Adore Machina Oceania AMAZING Gish GREAT The Aeroplane Flies High GOOD Zeitgeist Monuments to an Elegy Teargarden By Kaleidoscope Zodion At Crystal Hall Machina II OKAY ATUM Shiny and Oh So Bright NOT OKAY Cyr

[@bucke8hea876]

Totally agree with your ranking list. The new album is like a harder version of Oceania, but for now I still enjoy Oceania more.

[@abcedd9854]

I would’ve had Adore in Perfection and would’ve moved the newer albums around a bit, but for the most part totally agree with this ranking. Love to see that the more time passes, the better Oceania ages

[@MetalTrenches]

Yeah Adore is definitely a potential S for me.

[@jwbucklin]

Glad to see Atum in the amazing tier. Sojourner is incredible.

[@SoundMuzak]

I agree with the rankings. Only change I would make is putting Aghori in Fantastic.

[@MrLando0]

Siamese Dream is my fav. Such a great guitar tone, awesome songs

[@Bradford659]

A ranking of the Biffy Clyro discography would be great.

[@nicholaskruger9460]

Gish was amazing when it when it came out And Siamese dream was great too. Pisces is a great leftovers album. That’s their incestiside … Mellon was again perfect. And that’s it for me.

[@shaykitoffe6411]

Siamese Dream is their BEST and most SOLID from start to finish. Isn't too long and doesn't have lots of filler like Melon Collie. Which IMO should've been cut down a little 'Set The Sunray to Jerry' should've made the cut imo.

[@andrewtrushinski3848]

I love Cyr so much. Top tier for me.

[@wks197980]

The new album is really good. Nice list

[@bbeaup]

For my money Try Try Try is one of the most underrated pumpkins songs.

[@bengreenbank]

How'd you not mention Mayonaisse man? Best Pumpkins song along with 1979

[@tylerbalding8777]

Not far from how I see things. I would put ATUM higher because it just keeps getting better every listen. Aghori also seems to be something that will rise over time.

[@Luke_Radiosmash]

Man... I almost completely agree with this playlist. I might put Shiny higher and I think Oceania is overrated... But yes, I feel that CYR just sounds like a faint echo of what used to be SP while Atum, though flawed, feels like it's brimming with creative ideas. Aghori should be in the Fantastic tier. It's not just because "yay, more guitars!" It has complexity and beauty and gets better with each listen. It's almost on the level of a classic.

[@adrianvasquez254]

8:55 Ahh damn dude have some balls and put it in Fantastic.

[@MetalTrenches]

@@adrianvasquez254 I didn’t realize that people were such drones that it’s now BRAVE to say you personally like an album… love what you love.

[@fernandoretamalesl]

Cool, although I personally rank Oceania over Gish and Machina.

[@burchified]

I also fell off after Zeitgeist and before Oceania. The band started to feel like plain white bread to me. I listened to AMM and while I get the Siamese Dream vibes, it just seems like a musical form of terminal lucidity.

[@justingutube]

great list man, I'd just put Gish in perfection and we are the same

[@AzorAhai224]

MCIS is my fave album of all time. (Adore, Siamese Dream and Gish are awesome as well. And I love Machina - Machina II) Pisces Iscariot rocks

[@THXbox]

I wish I could reach out to Billy and convince him to put together a cover album of each of the Rush “mega”tracks. 2112. Cygnus X-1 and Book II of course. The Necromancer and Fountain of Lamneth. Xanadu. You get the picture. I know he loves them and I’d bet Alex & Geddy would give their blessings.

[@ffsf739]

Don't know if you like them, but this last album sounds a lot like the post-Counterparts era of Rush. Which comes as no surprise, since Billy has always said he's a massive fan.

[@mncphotography]

Birch Grove & Save Your Tears from Cyr are BANGERS.

[@Killingzebill13]

Cyr > monument & shiny

[@psychoslingers8732]

This is a legit tier video.

[@hollowify_tensa_zangetsu]

Siva was my favorite song

[@vomzy]

very good ranking

[@CarlyMaze]

Great list

[@minutesandmiles]

Zeitgiest is actually up there in the top two tiers for me

[@bladerunner1b]

Corgan's voice which has pretty much lost all nuance since "Zeitgeist" is still too high in the mix. I miss the quit parts he once employed in the glory days. Now it's just in your face nasal abrasive and when he goes softer it's boring - and again without nuance.

[@mathewking4959]

I really loved oceania when it came out. Coming back to it now it feels a little too much like ripping off his earlier Siamese. I enjoy the middle section of the album but that's about all now.

[@DrProfessorMD]

Any chances of a Clutch list?

[@MetalTrenches]

Maybe one day

[@DrProfessorMD]

@@MetalTrenches That's not a no! I'll take it. 🤣 Thanks for the awesome content.

[@MeanderAndReturn]

Machina is a masterpiece

[@alibabaschultz352]

Yup

[@S-jq1yk]

I wouldn’t go that far, but Stand inside your love was the last great Pumpkins moment

[@alibabaschultz352]

@@S-jq1yk Machina is easily Corgans best work

[@nl3064]

Stand Inside Your Love is one of my favorites from S.P., but Machina was a mixed bag. People need to quit calling every damn thing a 'masterpeice'.

[@alibabaschultz352]

@@nl3064 And you need to go back and listen again with more experience in Art rock and Progressive Rock. Its absolutely a masterpiece.

[@MrMemester101]

Are we getting a ranking 2002 nu metal video since there are a lot of great albums released in the year?

[@coreyreynolds3585]

Zwan might as well have been thrown in there.

[@evwell3988]

I wish Billy can get his head out of his ass, and make a short Metal ep. No one has the attention span or interest for high concept albums. I also think Billy and Ishan would collab.

[@kristopherryanwatson]

"get his head out of his ass"... over what ? because he's an accomplished musician who knows how good he is ? wow. bravo.

[@evwell3988]

@@kristopherryanwatson No Atum was a hour and a half of self indulgence that no one wanted. He needs to make a short concise record instead.

[@fernandoretamalesl]

That's exactly what Aghori Mhori Mei is... your comment came one month too late 😂

[@andresav1073]

SD & MCIS are gems and It's very difficult to top these two albums……The new album is at the same level of machina

[@c0uchsl0uch]

I like Gish & Siamese Dream, after that the sound became too electronic Billy's voice sounded too cleaned up

[@SaulmanPhishbass]

Zeitgeist Silver Cover edition is BADASSSSSSS!! TO this day, i don't understand the amount of hate this album got. Even when people explain it to me, i still don't understand. Oh and CYR is amazing too!

[@simonezandri640]

Cyr Is not bar at all I agree

[@XfiverX]

I loved that band when I was a kid. I always thought when their keyboardist died from heroin that it ruined them.

[@Definitiveluck]

American gothic, Ava adore b side song waiting, geesh demos psycodelic and untitled. From future embrace to love somebody w Robert Smith

[@noahjwhite]

Generally, agree. I would put Atum bottom tier. Gish and Oceana a notch lower. Otherwise spot on.

[@natemekis3959]

Monuments is near perfection. Best post Machina album besides Zwan. Anybody wit me?

[@simonezandri640]

Very good album!

[@chrisothoulos]

I agree mostly with this ranking but Zeitgeist amd Pisces should be higher.

[@hobojungle1]

I agree with your ranking. P.S. ATUM is pronounced “autumn” and Oceania is pronounced “ocean-ee-uh”. Sorry to be that guy 😁

[@jellieman1]

As someone from Oceania, his pronunciation was correct. Oh-she-ah-nee-ah

[@Dax11eleven]

Nice 👌

[@noahjwhite]

The B-Sides of the old albums are FAR better than most of the newer music. The Aeroplane Flies High boxed set is S-Tier. The Adore B-Sides are A-Tier. The Machina Acoustic Demo album is A-Tier. The Zeitgeist era B-Sides (American Gothic) and Stellar are S-Tier. It's a shame they didn't make it to the full release album.

[@doomusrlc]

11:39 Up and *AT THEM!* /*sigh*/ "Better"

[@rgbrt95]

Zeitgeist is slept on.

[@pbrecipe2443]

everybody; listen to zeitgeist again with the remixed vocals, its an all round better mix and listening experience.

[@MetalTrenches]

@@pbrecipe2443 I did. The production is solid. I just think the songwriting is just ok

[@pbrecipe2443]

@@MetalTrenches but i do think it is improved…some fans haven’t listened to since they dismissed it in 2007. its worth a re listen imo

[@pbrecipe2443]

@@MetalTrenches ps dig the vid!!! cool content!

[@jhs564]

Very good list. I just don't get Oceania. It's goofy and pointless. And ATUM is trash, except Beguiled. I would agree with your list, only if you'd place Oceania and ATUM on RED/terrible. AMM is 7.5/10 for me, very enjoyable

[@MetalTrenches]

Highly recommend a relisten of Oceania if it's been a while. I could understand people not LOVING it, but I fail to see how it's "Goofy."

[@jhs564]

@@MetalTrenches I have tried a few times.. but the first song; lets rip off Cherub rock and then just throw in some part from the most famous rock song ever, whole lotta love, and nonsense contrived attempts of writing an actual song

[@newmystery7753]

ATUM had some good ideas but it was too polished for what Billy corgan’s voice works with. It was also too long lol. Most of the stand out songs on it sound good live though

[@kierenmoore3236]

Pretty generous with everything except their best 3 albums, I’d say … Which I guess a fanboi should be … 😊. Except Zeitgeist, which you were incredibly hard on … and I think Zwan should just have been included/rated here, too …

[@MetalTrenches]

Labeling someone as a fanboy just because of their opinions is a strange thing to do. "Best 3 albums"...to you, my guy. This comment has a lot of main character syndrome in it. I wouldn't even call myself a "Smashing Pumpkins FAN" these days... not since 2004 or so. Doesn't mean I can't still find things to enjoy in the later material.

[@kierenmoore3236]

@@MetalTrenches lol. Well, you seemed to consider yourself a fanboi … though I couldn’t care less, either way. Best 3 albums, according to most fans and even comments here in your comments section. You could say I am the main character in my personal opinion, yes … who else would it be? Who else’s personal opinion would I be expressing? Do I have to state that I’m expressing my opinion, every time I’m clearly doing that? I guess, for people like you, I do …

[@kierenmoore3236]

@@MetalTrenches … or are you just upset that you forgot about Zwan … ? 😬

[@P3t3rp4n]

Can’t believe you rated Pisces lower than Oceania that’s crazy

[@MetalTrenches]

@@P3t3rp4n Life and music would be so boring if we all thought the same…

[@NarrowShouldersOpenMind]

Love the ATUM respect.

[@shein360]

I really can’t get past Billy’s voice now

[@truthserum273]

All the real ones know Siamese Dream is the undisputed GOAT 🐐

[@leodivine]

amazing band who should've never gotten back together imo - I completely agree with the perfection tier - thanks bro!! 🤟

[@NarrowShouldersOpenMind]

Yeah, I hate getting two hundred compelling new songs for free!

[@henrythegreatamerican8136]

My problem with ATUM is it should have been cut down to 10 or 12 songs. It's one of those albums where I really enjoyed many of the songs. Unfortunately, half the album was filled with garbage songs that wasted my time. And some of the intros ruined what otherwise would have been a great tune. A good example is the song INTERGALACTIC. The first 3+ minutes are garbage. Nobody mentions Beyond the Vale. I thought it was enjoyable and the guitars reminded me a bit of Queen.

[@justinrisen1929]

Appreciate others opinion of course. I do not however understand how anyone could place Atum as anything but meh. There may be 3 songs on that record that i feel have potential and could yes indeed have fit well on some of the classic albums but man Cyr and Atum are just terrible to me. Aghori Mhori Mei blew my mind in the sense that Billy wasnt messin around about trying to get back to the roots yet moving forward simultaniously. That entire record is a banger and i didnt expect it.

[@Shawnpo76]

The new album was terrible, im done hoping for another pure rock album from them. At least we still have stephen malkmus putting out amazing music

[@newmystery7753]

But the new album was a pure rock album besides like 2 songs ?

[@erikanderson3761]

The new album is pure rock

[@Jeneric81]

90’s Billy Corgan had the magic touch of making even the lesser songs have something to them that hits you. I’m with you that Zeitgeist (and the worst gig I’ve ever seen on that tour) put me off them.

[@fuzzedoutwjon8608]

Similar to Tremches’ experience with that album, I was (18-ish) when it was coming out and psyched for a new SP album- while I didn’t hate it, I was pretty much stuck with a sobering reality of the long-awaited album being a mostly “just okay” release with a couple of a little bit better tracks.

[@aresgalamatis7022]

smashing pumpkins still exist?! WTF?!?? didn't their frontman/band give up 3 decades ago?

[@Dan-ji4db]

Yes and no