They Did WHAT!? Netflix Alexander the Great Episode 1: Historical Analysis

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@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 ай бұрын
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@MysticalJessica
@MysticalJessica 10 ай бұрын
I didn't even know they remade Alexander the Great as a series! That's how much I don't even watch movies or documentaries coming from America or whoever follows their political agenda! Historical documentaries and movies are as accurate as the History Channel talking about ancient aliens nowadays!
@onbedoeldekut1515
@onbedoeldekut1515 10 ай бұрын
Alexander WASN'T great. He might have conquered a great amount of land, but he didn't leave a lasting empire, it fell apart immediately. Greatness would have left something that endures more than the mythologised history of Alexander which we were left with.
@unbreakable7633
@unbreakable7633 10 ай бұрын
Overstating the case is common for these sorts of "documentaries" -- there's a word for this called hyperbole.
@clpfox470
@clpfox470 10 ай бұрын
Metatron you look like a very grumpy klingon in the thumbnail, i love it lol
@morganhale3434
@morganhale3434 10 ай бұрын
Epaminondas of Thebes was a frontline general. It is also what ended his career so early.
@jurassicthunder
@jurassicthunder 10 ай бұрын
Watching Netflix to learn history is like watching TikToks to learn physics.
@LostSoulSearching
@LostSoulSearching 10 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂 💯 I've got nothing. I can't top that comment. This was a priceless post!!!😂😂😂
@Snoy_Fly
@Snoy_Fly 10 ай бұрын
“History” TikToks are wild too 😬
@EyeOfMagnus4E201
@EyeOfMagnus4E201 10 ай бұрын
IDK. At least with TikTok you might be able to learn basic physics like gravity or inertia from people falling or running into things! 🙂
@DrFrogglePhD
@DrFrogglePhD 10 ай бұрын
On more than one occasion I've heard adults in their 30s, 40s, 50s, say that they learned something from TikTok. In every case, they were wrong.
@jamesbodnarchuk3322
@jamesbodnarchuk3322 10 ай бұрын
Tik toc 😅
@nubber04
@nubber04 10 ай бұрын
the shortening of the names is killing me in the show, haven't finished it yet, but waiting for him to come face to face with Darius, and be like "Oi, Darr, my dad Phil was killed"
@billdehappy1
@billdehappy1 10 ай бұрын
daz seems more proper for darius imo
@aimannorzahariwod
@aimannorzahariwod 10 ай бұрын
i ggiggled at fucking PTOL.... like dude, PTOLEMY isn't even that long like come on
@JanoTuotanto
@JanoTuotanto 10 ай бұрын
D-man, P-TOL, Tole- ピ Big Al
@gajogrande
@gajogrande 10 ай бұрын
That “Phil” killed me with Prince of Bel Air vibes. In West Macedonia, born and raised On the playground was where I spent most of my days Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', all cool And all shootin' some b-ball outside of the school
@praiza1481
@praiza1481 10 ай бұрын
Nearchos : Neecoz Antigonos : Tejay Antipater : Padre Cleitos the Black : CB Eumenes : U-man Crateros : Lil' C
@Volthramios
@Volthramios 10 ай бұрын
I am Greek. Your research on this matter, Metatron, is so insightful and valuable.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 ай бұрын
Thank you Mediterranean brother.
@johnwalzer9187
@johnwalzer9187 10 ай бұрын
Greece just legalized gay marriage. Congratulations to the many gay couples in Greece. You've waited long enough.
@charliejackson6192
@charliejackson6192 10 ай бұрын
@@johnwalzer9187 never understood why anyone wants to interfere with other people’s relationships or how two gay people being married impacts their marriage in any way shape or form. Happy for those people
@urmom13st.
@urmom13st. 10 ай бұрын
it's a slippery slope to paedophilia. @@johnwalzer9187
@arnijulian6241
@arnijulian6241 10 ай бұрын
​@@johnwalzer9187 The Greek public are against it mind. The Church of Greece is eastern orthodox & no Eastern Orthodox nation has allowed gay marriage which could end in civil war. Greece has had internal war for much less! I might be godless but I can understand the role the church plays in any western nation & marriage is a sacred part of that which the alphabet people don't realise they are losing what little good will Christendom has for them. My self I can't help but laugh at the alphabet people for they see that they are destroying the few friends & allies they have. Can't wait for the Islamic lot to end their precarious neutrality as their scripture on non stright marriage or relations is very clear & the punishment to those that don't abide the Quran severe. Being a stright but basically celibate due to my failed health while a godless Englishmen it is not my concern. Still as an outside onlooker it amusing to watch this lunacy unfold.
@tomblixtbredelius9027
@tomblixtbredelius9027 10 ай бұрын
Agreed! The correct nickname for Ptolemy is obviously Lemmy
@whatever5401
@whatever5401 10 ай бұрын
Ptolemmy
@jakoporeeno4654
@jakoporeeno4654 9 ай бұрын
Is Hephaestion's nickname Feisty?
@dscouple2
@dscouple2 9 ай бұрын
Born to raise hell :))
@avivastudios2311
@avivastudios2311 6 ай бұрын
Fax.
@hubertrozalski7070
@hubertrozalski7070 6 ай бұрын
Ptolemy Kilmister the Third
@Fatherofheroesandheroines
@Fatherofheroesandheroines 10 ай бұрын
I am a Conservative, but I have learned that we cannot use modern minds to talk about the ancient world. They had different societies and beliefs and putting modern spins to ancient beliefs always fails. We can't moralize the past with the present.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 ай бұрын
I appreciate your open mind towards historical research. Thanks for sharing and watching
@VicecrackVoldermort
@VicecrackVoldermort 10 ай бұрын
As a Paleoliberatarian, I agree. Tbh, I didn't really care what Alexander was. I don't watch Netflix anymore. It was a right winger infact that told me Alexander was gay lol.
@easyegg9760
@easyegg9760 10 ай бұрын
Completely agree. You can’t look through history with a modern perspective. Morals and values are always changing
@Billy1690-ws8jz
@Billy1690-ws8jz 10 ай бұрын
Nothing new under the sun.
@istvansipos9940
@istvansipos9940 10 ай бұрын
"We can't moralize the past with the present." and if we discuss his relationships with consenting adults, there is no need to moralize anything anyway. those are all moral by default.
@KonstanzArrens
@KonstanzArrens 10 ай бұрын
As an aside, Alexander and Hephaestion identifying with Achilles and Patroclus has another basis. Alexander believed that, on his mother's side, he was a descendant of Achilles. On his father's side Herakles (Hercules) was believed to be his ancestor. This kinship myth was very important to Alexander. City-states and kingdoms of Ancient Greece would usually claim descent from various such figures believed to be historical.
@Alejojojo6
@Alejojojo6 10 ай бұрын
Its obvious he liked him and had more than just a friendship. Which is fine, doesnt make him less of a man. The comparison is just a way to show their love similarity and ancestry as equal to the gods.
@TheChosen2030
@TheChosen2030 10 ай бұрын
They might have been historical
@KonstanzArrens
@KonstanzArrens 10 ай бұрын
@@TheChosen2030 Some may have been, indeed.
@IphigeniaAtAulis
@IphigeniaAtAulis 10 ай бұрын
In point of fact, some great leaders would commission works of literature in order to legitimize their rule by claiming descent from great historical/mythical figures. The most well known case is the Aeneid by Virgil. Augustus Caesar actually commission Virgil to make it in order to legitimize his rule of Rome by claiming descent from Aeneas and Romulus.
@KonstanzArrens
@KonstanzArrens 10 ай бұрын
@@IphigeniaAtAulis The Romans again borrowed this myhological figure' from the Greeks. Aeneas is mentioned in Homer's ''Iliad'', the son of the Trojan prince Anchises and the Greek goddess Aphrodite (Venus for the Romans). A minor figure in Greek mythology was turned into the first great hero of Rome.
@Thetenmaumau
@Thetenmaumau 10 ай бұрын
I remember my grandmother telling me I don't care what they tell you in school, Alexander was more flamboyant than Elton John.
@zombiedoggie2732
@zombiedoggie2732 10 ай бұрын
Oh god, The mental image of Alexander riding his rainbow chariot in a flamboyant rainbow feather boa in a gay pride parade in June. With rainbow feathers on top of the horse bridles for good measure. Probably with a bottle of wine in one hand.
@rushdem1
@rushdem1 10 ай бұрын
Everyone knows the Mediterranean was super fruity at that time . Just look at the abudance of male sculpture of that time period vs female
@ladybug591
@ladybug591 10 ай бұрын
@@rushdem1 Hmmm, that maybe true but most women in their prime would possibly have been pregnant and so not be so "photogenic"? Statugenic...?
@kueapel911
@kueapel911 10 ай бұрын
​@@ladybug591 most gods are... gods. Goddesses are few in between. Statues are mostly deities, and important historical people, which are mostly... y'know, people who're not pregnant.
@AzathothTheGreat
@AzathothTheGreat 10 ай бұрын
​@@rushdem1what abundance mate? Cause I'm Greek and there's no lack of female statues and sculptures. We even thought that women's figures would make the most beautiful addition on a structural piece (caryatids). Goddesses, muses, mythical or historical women, or simply unnamed mortal women adorn plenty and they are in no way few and far in between
@Ben-xf7uy
@Ben-xf7uy 10 ай бұрын
Alexanders' Opis Mutiny speech is amazing. Alexander absolutely led from the front. That speech is incredibly deep
@josephpercente8377
@josephpercente8377 10 ай бұрын
Maybe not the greatest military mind, but he was the most successful general. Does one follow the other?
@Sandwich13455
@Sandwich13455 10 ай бұрын
"there's not 1 inch of me unscarred at least from the front"
@louthegiantcookie
@louthegiantcookie 10 ай бұрын
It's a fascinating insight into Alexander the politician, using his image and his persona to further his agenda. And I don't mean that as a slight whatsoever, I think the speech shows how canny he was, which I find so interesting for a figure so often just perceived as a warrior and little else.
@gustavogoesgomes1863
@gustavogoesgomes1863 10 ай бұрын
@@josephpercente8377 I think that people obsess over things that are just trivial. I mean, there is absolutely no way to objectively define who had the greatest military mind. so why does it matter? he was a military genius and one of the most proeminent figures from ancient history. isn't that enough?
@Raz.C
@Raz.C 10 ай бұрын
@@louthegiantcookie I think Caesar's speech to the 4 rebelling Legions (including Legio XIIII and Legio X) was MUCH more canny and is a better example of true genius. With a single word (calling them "citizens," as opposed to "My fellow soldiers."), he both quells the rebellion and causes all 4 legions to beg him to take them back into his service (which he absolutely needed, but they didn't know that he needed). Caesar was a truly great general, as demonstrated by his ability to defeat enemies using exactly the same types of soldiers + equipment, etc, and to defeat larger armies of Roman Legions, too!! Alexander, by contrast, would have to have been able to defeat a larger army of sarissa-equipped phalanx infantry, supported by companion cavalry, which simply never happened. The regent of Macedon, left in charge of the place while Alexander was off in the east, used the new armies built by King Philip, to build his own empire. Several Greek nations took up arms against Macedon and all of them were soundly defeated by 'Forgotten General, The Great.' This shows that Alexander wasn't the deciding factor in the battles he fought, rather, the deciding factor was the army built by King Philip, that no one yet knew how to beat. I mean, if some unnamed regent (he wasn't really unnamed, I just forgot his name) was able to defeat the best of the Greeks, including Athenians and Spartans and he was able to do this with the dregs of what Alexander left behind...
@ejd53
@ejd53 10 ай бұрын
Based on the last time Netflix did a "documentary" on a historical Macedonian, I would have thought that the question on everybody's mind would have been "Was Alexander black?"
@scottlidstone1902
@scottlidstone1902 10 ай бұрын
I don't care what they told you in school, Alexander the Great was Martian!
@bravocarlos1752
@bravocarlos1752 10 ай бұрын
​@@scottlidstone1902wrong he was Puerto Rican, my abuela's sister told me so at the last reunion!
@jimminycrunkett
@jimminycrunkett 10 ай бұрын
Alexander was a black paraplegic lesbian
@bobulationnation
@bobulationnation 10 ай бұрын
Or was he really a her
@SgtRocko
@SgtRocko 10 ай бұрын
Don't care WHAT your fancy-schmancy schools and EVIDENCE says - my MOTHER told me Alexander the Great was actually named Schloimek and he was a tinsmith in a little Shtetl just outside Bialystok.
@ArchonShon
@ArchonShon 10 ай бұрын
4:43 THIS! Imagine being brought up by that type of parents. One was a military innovator while the other was whispering "You are the scion of God's" If Alexander didn't believe he was destined by the gods for success I highly doubt he would have been so bold.
@michellebyrom6551
@michellebyrom6551 10 ай бұрын
It certainly explains his fearlessness. Hit by an arrow? Pfft. A mere splinter to a god.
@kathleenhensley5951
@kathleenhensley5951 10 ай бұрын
Hard to say, for sure but it certainly played a role in his life's arc. Also, wasn't enough he believed he was the son of Zeus, but he actually had the brains and courage to carry his conquests so far. His tragic flaw was his love of drink... he drove himself too hard and died at 33.
@musikgirl7
@musikgirl7 10 ай бұрын
Imagine what we all could achieve with such grandiose encouragement. If we all truly believed we were children of the gods, would we behave differently? Worms and cans, man…
@ArchonShon
@ArchonShon 10 ай бұрын
@@kathleenhensley5951 Agreed. You can have all the tools and encouragement in world and not have the courage to do anything of importance. A big strength that Alexander leaned on was his companions. Like your friends in real life might make you brave enough to do something crazy or in Alexander's part historical.
@blindknitter
@blindknitter 10 ай бұрын
This is how we know Alexander the Great was actually Irish. All Irish Mammies think their first born son is the son of God. (The sons all think their Mammy's a virgin, so it balances out.)
@talesofabard
@talesofabard 10 ай бұрын
Watching netflix documentaries is like watching fan fiction, can't be called a documentary.
@lucas182512
@lucas182512 10 ай бұрын
they call this crap "docudrama". There are no words to explain how much I hate the term. Pick a damn side netflix!!!!
@runek100
@runek100 10 ай бұрын
Cocaine cowboys was lit
@Raz.C
@Raz.C 10 ай бұрын
In the case of Caesar, I think we have 2 credible examples of him fighting alongside his men: The Battle of the Sabis and the battle of Munda. In the former, the evidence says that he threw down his (something) and picked up a shield, to fight alongside his men. In the latter, the sources quote him as saying "In other battles I fought for victory. At Munda, I fought for my life!" Since the battle of Munda happened AFTER the battle of the Sabis, I think it's fair to assume that "fighting for my life" meant picking up a shield- again- and fighting alongside his soldiers. Again.
@paultyson4389
@paultyson4389 9 ай бұрын
As a young man, serving on the staff of a Roman governor in Asia Minor, Caesar won Rome's highest award for bravery, "crown of oak leaves(?) whilst scaling the wall of a fortress on Miletus(?) in the Aegean Sea. Roman commanders rarely if ever actually fought in battle, they were there to command and Caesar was no exception. He was a brilliant commander, and a great inspirer of his men. He was caught in a very difficult situation with his army strung out along the Sabis River in Gaul and the Nervii closing in on the particular legion he was with. It was a desperate fight but Caesar was organising and encouraging his men until other legions came to their aid, not actually fighting. The Battle of Munda in Spain (45BC) was Caesar's last battle against the remnants of the Pompeiians led by Pompey's two sons. Caesar's legions were by this time heartily sick of the civil war. They had just marched 12 miles to confront the Pompeiians on a hill but when Caesar ordered them to charge they balked. Caesar was forced to put himself in great personal danger to get his troops to charge up the hill. They then charged but Caesar himself did no actual fighting. He was "fighting for his life" because his men were heartily sick of fighting.
@publiusrunesteffensen5276
@publiusrunesteffensen5276 4 ай бұрын
The Battle of Alesia against Vercingetorix - the front were literally everywhere.
@Kekoapono
@Kekoapono 10 ай бұрын
Regarding Section 7, as is usually the case with most things: the truth is a lot more nuanced than most people are willing to admit; or, at least requires more patience than people are often willing to give. One of the many reasons I like your channel, Metatron, is that you're willing to explore subtlety and nuance in the pursuit of truth. Thank you for your work!
@hinikki8747
@hinikki8747 10 ай бұрын
My children are beginning college and they have both watched your channel fairly regularly. Thank you for being a catalyst to their curiosity.
@manuelvasquez4144
@manuelvasquez4144 10 ай бұрын
Metatron: I'm going to piss everyone off today Me *grabs popcorn*
@Pharaoh_Tutankhamen
@Pharaoh_Tutankhamen 10 ай бұрын
Metatron pissing people off is premium content
@scrappydoo7887
@scrappydoo7887 10 ай бұрын
*copies comment with good interaction
@Hotchpotchsoup
@Hotchpotchsoup 10 ай бұрын
Coincidentally, when I drink coffee my piss smells like popcorn.
@lxixadventures9240
@lxixadventures9240 10 ай бұрын
he literally smoking a cigar at gas station while spitting mad facts 😂
@TheKrispyfort
@TheKrispyfort 10 ай бұрын
🍿🍿🍿🧋🍿🍿🍿
@eternalsummer8409
@eternalsummer8409 10 ай бұрын
Also yes the whole reason he died was due to injuries he got on the frontline catching up to him, so he definitely fought on the frontlines
@Zed-fq3lj
@Zed-fq3lj 10 ай бұрын
Oliver Stone's 'Alexander' looks like a masterpiece in comparison to this Netflix lunacy! Very informative analysis by Metatron, thank you!
@finolacat8355
@finolacat8355 10 ай бұрын
Which tells us a LOT about how bad this one is! 😅😉
@agonsfitness7308
@agonsfitness7308 10 ай бұрын
​@@finolacat8355to be fair though it's the absolute exception to the rule. That movie is bad despite being incredibly historically accurate. Whenever I think about perhaps giving it another chance I always end up remembering how much everyone shouts at each other.
@matthewy2j
@matthewy2j 10 ай бұрын
The Battle of Gaugamela is such a good sequence. The rest of the movie doesn't hold up very well but the lead up and the battle itself was great.
@Zed-fq3lj
@Zed-fq3lj 10 ай бұрын
'Alexander' is of course by no means a masterpiece, but the Final Cut is a GOOD movie (which is not enough concerning the director, the input, the money etc)...Of course - as mentioned ''the ''shouting'' is poor directing, Jolie - abysmal casting and performance, but objectively the movie has more pluses than minuses and I gladly re-watch it (The Final Cut) and Vangelis music as always is simply sublime and PERFECT!@@agonsfitness7308
@regonik
@regonik 10 ай бұрын
​@@agonsfitness7308well we don't have an audio of ancient Greeks talking. Could have as well shouted a lot.
@thelittleal1212
@thelittleal1212 10 ай бұрын
It’s obvious Netflix should stop doing historical shows and movies. They pretty much suck or are mediocre at it. True they had some well done ones in the past, but now they don’t care about the actual accuracy and just add whatever they think works for audiences and say that it’s educational or accurate.
@timesthree5757
@timesthree5757 10 ай бұрын
As opposed to anyone else making a drama based on historical events. The key word is movie. Cinema art, not fact.
@sweetpapad4674
@sweetpapad4674 10 ай бұрын
The Outlaw king, the road to victory docs, the best of enemies, Ottomans rise of an empire doc, and siege of Johannesburg were all done by Netflix
@GothPaoki
@GothPaoki 10 ай бұрын
When you intentionally push agendas it's not art it's propaganda ​@@timesthree5757
@scrappydoo7887
@scrappydoo7887 10 ай бұрын
It's absolutely intentionally done
@kirschakos
@kirschakos 10 ай бұрын
What's strange is that they use historians... but looks like they never listens to them so what's the purpose?
@taylorbolduc1763
@taylorbolduc1763 10 ай бұрын
Sounds like a significant improvement over Cleopatra at least
@ThepupsnameisBrian
@ThepupsnameisBrian 10 ай бұрын
Well, at least they didn't try to claim "Alex" was black.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 ай бұрын
I'll take it
@KageKodesh
@KageKodesh 10 ай бұрын
​@@ThepupsnameisBrian yet 😅
@modanmardaanye
@modanmardaanye 10 ай бұрын
Shitflix's Alesanduh: We wuz kangz N ghey shiiiet@@ThepupsnameisBrian
@vladtheinhaler8940
@vladtheinhaler8940 10 ай бұрын
​@@modanmardaanyehe always kissed his homies goodnight.
@VicTheFigGuy
@VicTheFigGuy 9 ай бұрын
This is such an insightful and well research and source-backed presentation. Bravo.
@xtremeranger30
@xtremeranger30 10 ай бұрын
Even Oliver Stone got it right with Philip II's missing eye in his Alexander film.
@fran3ro
@fran3ro 10 ай бұрын
Wasan't he also limping in the movie?
@xtremeranger30
@xtremeranger30 10 ай бұрын
@@fran3ro Yeah you see his lame leg too.
@gustavgyll3291
@gustavgyll3291 10 ай бұрын
Alexander hade the best advisor ever. Don’t remember his name but he was at that time the worlds leading historian on Alexander the Great and a professor at Oxford. He hade one demand, that he would be one of the companies at the battle of gaugamela, and you can see him riding close to Alexander. Some historical facts are wrong from what we know today but at the time it was close to perfect, as close as you can make it in a movie.
@GermanOlle
@GermanOlle 10 ай бұрын
@@gustavgyll3291 Yep, that was Robert Lane Fox.
@MayYourGodGoWithYou
@MayYourGodGoWithYou 10 ай бұрын
Didn't he have a genuine expert in the period to add authenticity though, and even then I seem to remember reading (complaint from the expert) that he had to remove huge chunks because it upset various sub-sections of US society who couldn't deal with facts.
@TARMHeLL
@TARMHeLL 10 ай бұрын
claims to be the son of Zeus, sleeps with everything Checks out.
@Gynra
@Gynra 10 ай бұрын
Verily, a chip off the old block.
@septimiusseverus343
@septimiusseverus343 10 ай бұрын
Truly his father's son.
@madcyborg1822
@madcyborg1822 9 ай бұрын
He wasn't gay or bisexual though.
@TARMHeLL
@TARMHeLL 9 ай бұрын
@madcyborg1822 sounded like he was, but it was his college phase.
@angelvenus-africa4161
@angelvenus-africa4161 9 ай бұрын
Gay as a soldier but straight when around woman alone and no other gay activities happening. Or let's just say for the sake of it all they had bisexual relations regularly .
@Gee-ski
@Gee-ski 10 ай бұрын
in this day and age i spend most of my time unlearning everything I've been taught
@easyegg9760
@easyegg9760 10 ай бұрын
It’s pretty fun to be honest, learning that most of history taught is a lie, or a half truth without context. Unfortunately, it’s hard to discuss things with others because it goes against their reality
@Gee-ski
@Gee-ski 10 ай бұрын
@@easyegg9760 very true hardest thing is having someone to talk to about it in real life
@legueu
@legueu 10 ай бұрын
That's just life. 😅
@TreiberSeptim
@TreiberSeptim 10 ай бұрын
Then you either live somewhere very bad, or you‘re delusional. Most info we are taught isn’t wrong, it‘s simplified and summarized badly. Info on Alexander is widely available, and commonly known.
@Gee-ski
@Gee-ski 10 ай бұрын
@@TreiberSeptim I wasn’t specifically talking about Alexander just in general relax bro
@brianmarshall1762
@brianmarshall1762 10 ай бұрын
My memory of reading about Alexander and his army, while is about 30 years ago, is that he inherited his fathers well drilled soldiers. Principally his heavy infantry phalanx. They didn’t seem to get much attention in what I saw. All glory went to the cavalry, but if I’m not mistaken, they were the cream of the army but the heavy lifting (and largest part) was the phalanx. Might be wrong though and happy to be corrected.
@adambielen8996
@adambielen8996 10 ай бұрын
Alexander's army consisted of three parts. The Cavalry, the Phalanxes, and the light infantry. All were seen as important and Alexander was noted for giving the left flank to his Thracian Peltasts (javelin throwing light infantry) which was a position of great honor. But yes, the Phalanxes of pikemen where extremely important and the key to Macedonian success, they were unbeatable from the front.
@Vicus_of_Utrecht
@Vicus_of_Utrecht 10 ай бұрын
No the cooks did the heavy lifting
@heinzelmontaraz
@heinzelmontaraz 10 ай бұрын
“Liberals, conservatives… I’m gonna piss everyone off today” Alright! Let me get the popcorn.
@zerberus_ms
@zerberus_ms 10 ай бұрын
That was my favorite line of the episeode.😂
@bobsaggater3454
@bobsaggater3454 10 ай бұрын
For real. I'm sick and tired of both groups and their idiotic closed mindedness and assumptions.
@ShockedSquirrelhere
@ShockedSquirrelhere 10 ай бұрын
@@bobsaggater3454absolutely with you on that!!!!
@rorschach775
@rorschach775 10 ай бұрын
My modern brain being like "Oh he wasn't gay or straight, he just had watery semen. Got it."
@gregpenismith1248
@gregpenismith1248 10 ай бұрын
It's just idiotic to think that a person can remove all bias. It's human nature to add bias. While bias can me minimized, it can't be eliminated by people. This dude is so high on his own farts he thinks he has transcended humanity, and can talk about a subject without bias.
@littlejoe9229
@littlejoe9229 10 ай бұрын
I'm going to use this to one-up my gamer friends. "Arrow in the knee? I took a spear in the knee! Check this out!"
@willowthistle3648
@willowthistle3648 10 ай бұрын
I'm a 57 year old woman, and I laughed so hard about that. I even called my son and had him watch that part so we could laugh together. That exact phrase was going through my head when he said he had a spear wound to his knee. I may have the humor of a 12 year old boy. But, in my own defense, I'm a single mom of 2 boys. My son first recommended this channel, and it's one of my favorites. ❤
@realah3001
@realah3001 10 ай бұрын
The term arrow to the knee refers to marriage
@Grandwigg
@Grandwigg 10 ай бұрын
Hahahaha, beat me to it.
@middleearthltd
@middleearthltd 10 ай бұрын
Richard the Lion Heart did fight at the tip of the spear He waded in and piled up bodies all around him “Hand me my Danish axe”
@Isildun9
@Isildun9 10 ай бұрын
Alexander, Richard the Lion Heart, and Gustav II Adolf of Sweden, all kings who liked to lead from the front
@massacolonel5950
@massacolonel5950 10 ай бұрын
@@Isildun9 Charles XII of Sweden as well.
@AEB1066
@AEB1066 10 ай бұрын
Robert the Bruce killed an English knight, snapping his axe handle while caving in the knight's skull. He then complained to his men that the horrible Englishman broke his axe with his face.
@MorgottofLeyendell
@MorgottofLeyendell 10 ай бұрын
@@AEB1066 A truly Scottish move, good in the Bruce.
@Patrick-xv6qv
@Patrick-xv6qv 10 ай бұрын
​@@Isildun9Julius Ceasar as well often fought in the front lines
@Savvas1640
@Savvas1640 5 ай бұрын
In ancient Greek "eromenos" is the thing or person which is been loved, "erastis" is the lover of the person or thing. For example, "I am erastis of the good art". Now in modern Greek, most often "eromenos" and "erastis" have sexual meaning, or sometimes if said at an intelectual level they have their archaic meaning depending on the context.
@barbaraludwiczak6798
@barbaraludwiczak6798 10 ай бұрын
"Does it offend them? (....) Good luck with the Ptolomaic dynasty!" This remark made my day!
@curtblackwaterbassvick8112
@curtblackwaterbassvick8112 10 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 the beginning, hilarious. Just the your face lol
@anta3612
@anta3612 10 ай бұрын
He was not amused! 😊
@Hollie0981
@Hollie0981 10 ай бұрын
this 😂
@Pharaoh_Tutankhamen
@Pharaoh_Tutankhamen 10 ай бұрын
That's how you know it's gonna be a good video
@curtblackwaterbassvick8112
@curtblackwaterbassvick8112 10 ай бұрын
So true, I'm glad we have him. He is a treasure!
@Isildun9
@Isildun9 10 ай бұрын
That was the kind of face I imagine Mussolini had when he began receiving the reports of his invasion of Greece in 1940.
@haraldnijenhuis4697
@haraldnijenhuis4697 10 ай бұрын
At this point i'm just glad that Alexander isn't played by Idriss Elba.
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 10 ай бұрын
Im glad they didnt turn him into a strong black woman
@dennisaskeland7603
@dennisaskeland7603 10 ай бұрын
Alexandra the great black girl boss
@guyfawkes8384
@guyfawkes8384 10 ай бұрын
Strong black trans woman in a wheelchair, who competes and wins championships in female arm wrestling.@@TheSuperappelflap
@bruenor82
@bruenor82 10 ай бұрын
but it's Idriss Elba...
@marcodeluca8207
@marcodeluca8207 10 ай бұрын
Well, if they chose Idris Elba but also to be accurate in the rest of the historical facts, could have been even a funny but good choice. For example, I have been watching the Anne Boleyn miniseries on Netflix, where not only Anne is black, but also semi-lesbian with Jane Seymour. Netflix writers seem to know no shame at any level.
@ChristopherNealBUSHIDO49ERS
@ChristopherNealBUSHIDO49ERS 10 ай бұрын
This was so good! I love your work! Thank you!
@dyinggaul8365
@dyinggaul8365 10 ай бұрын
God I love this channel. Bless you Metatron!
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 ай бұрын
I Appreciate thanks 🙏🏻
@tomjackson4374
@tomjackson4374 10 ай бұрын
It was common practice during the Greek Classic Age for Greek commanders to fight in the front line. Alexander was just following Greek practices. Even his father, Phillip II, lost an eye and was wounded in the leg during battles. That doesn't happen in the rear.
@itsMe_TheHerpes
@itsMe_TheHerpes 10 ай бұрын
it was also common practice to be LGBT+ so then, why is everyone so upset about it ? does it really matter if Alexander was LGBT or not ?
@tomjackson4374
@tomjackson4374 10 ай бұрын
@@itsMe_TheHerpes Because most men think sex between two men is disgusting, and so did most Greeks. It was not as wide spread as homosexuals want us to believe.
@tomjackson4374
@tomjackson4374 10 ай бұрын
@@itsMe_TheHerpes No, it wasn't that common.
@toncek9981
@toncek9981 10 ай бұрын
@@itsMe_TheHerpes Dude, you just watched a video about the fact that applying our ideas about LGBTQ on classical Greeks is a nonsense, so WTF? BTW Metatron also has a video where debunks the myth that homosexuality (as we understand it today) was common and widely accepted in ancient Greece. IMHO no one normal is really upset about anyone being anything if there is historical evidence for it. People (me included) are upset about history being bent to suit whatever modern political worldview - making Alexander monogamic straight man would be just as insulting as making him purely gay, simply because neither corresponds with know historical sources.
@zzodysseuszz
@zzodysseuszz 10 ай бұрын
@@itsMe_TheHerpes except it was extremely rare and the legitimacy of cases where it actually existed are questionable at best and completely fabricated at worst.
@babilon6097
@babilon6097 10 ай бұрын
Oh come on, Meta! First Shad, now you. I have to go to sleep today and it's almost midnight in Europe.
@aselliofacchio
@aselliofacchio 10 ай бұрын
Come on it's only 23:40 😉
@garvielloken8494
@garvielloken8494 10 ай бұрын
Same it's almost 2 AM here...
@m0-m0597
@m0-m0597 10 ай бұрын
It's after midnight, what are you on about?! It's almost like you posted this comment an hour ago
@legacyShredder1
@legacyShredder1 10 ай бұрын
@@m0-m0597 First off it's only 7pm. It's like you guys don't live in my exact geographic location in this specific moment in time.
@jimminycrunkett
@jimminycrunkett 10 ай бұрын
Where I live it's Monday
@EzekielDeLaCroix
@EzekielDeLaCroix 10 ай бұрын
lol 'Alexander the Great Gay' sounds like a roast his men would come up for him.
@Christofurr
@Christofurr 10 ай бұрын
Alexander the Fabulous 💅🏻
@Pepe-pq3om
@Pepe-pq3om 2 ай бұрын
Lol
@weakestlink41
@weakestlink41 10 ай бұрын
Just finished this series not one hour ago, and my very first thought was, "Can't wait until Metatron does a video on this."
@ctam79
@ctam79 10 ай бұрын
Metatron needs to start all his videos with ten seconds of angry Jesus stare.
@allanturmaine5496
@allanturmaine5496 10 ай бұрын
Pray we don't earn the Jesus Glare.
@kathleenhensley5951
@kathleenhensley5951 10 ай бұрын
He does it so well, downright scary, even to someone my age, and I'm old enough to be his grandmama.
@chelleyroberts
@chelleyroberts 10 ай бұрын
It does make a point. You see it and immediately think “oh crap, what did Netflix do now?”
@thomashauer6804
@thomashauer6804 10 ай бұрын
well Metatron would choose a historical figure and not a character from mythology i would guess.. (:yes flavius josephus did mention him one time but not with specifics).i was raised catholic dont be triggered church crowd. it is my opinion and my right
@allanturmaine5496
@allanturmaine5496 10 ай бұрын
@@thomashauer6804 your opinion is boring, and you missed the joke.
@leoghigu
@leoghigu 10 ай бұрын
Metatron: "Alexander considers lust a weakness, because he thinks himself a aon of Zeus." (paraphrasing) Me: "Are talking about the same Zeus? The guy who's sleeping around is responsible for around half of the Greek mythology?"
@موسى_7
@موسى_7 10 ай бұрын
Maybe, as a son of Zeus, he sees his father as a bad example.
@goodoldgrim
@goodoldgrim 10 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be fair to consider that Zeus' weakest aspect though?
@FaceJP24
@FaceJP24 10 ай бұрын
To be fair, the Greeks themselves didn't view their gods as infallible/perfect. So it's not necessarily incompatible with their world view to view some of the gods' actions as weaknesses/flaws to avoid.
@Raximus3000
@Raximus3000 10 ай бұрын
Though he did that across centuries.
@thechazz3230
@thechazz3230 10 ай бұрын
Zeus's lust was considered by The Greeks to be his humane fallibility. Unlike the memes you're regurgitating here. It wasn't a defining trait of his. It was a one of the representations of the aspects of him that he passed down to us when making us. Zeus was The Greek All Father/Creator who molded mankind in his image, without him having that "weakness of lust" it wouldn't make sense for us, his creations to have that as well. Use your rationality for a minute rather than just spouting jokes you saw on Reddit as historical Canon.
@stevopowell
@stevopowell 10 ай бұрын
I always love your perspective. Thank you.
@teresamerkel7161
@teresamerkel7161 10 ай бұрын
I enjoy your insistence that modern interpretations of relationships be dropped and instead relationships be understood in the context of the time. It not only helps with historical accuracy but also helps sociologically for us to understand how different cultures understood the relationship of the sexes and sexual relationships and how those understandings have changed over time. To interpret such relationships from a modern perspective loses valuable sociological data. Love those 72 wings.
@blugaledoh2669
@blugaledoh2669 10 ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH-khWevl9itlacsi=zCFISDmEAl6Fhdm2
@Mr.Witness
@Mr.Witness 10 ай бұрын
How is having sex with a man not gay in any time period?
@nerag7459
@nerag7459 10 ай бұрын
Lets face it, sex with a man is twice as manly as sex with a woman. This is a fact.
@RationalistMH
@RationalistMH 10 ай бұрын
@@Mr.Witness What is modern is how you label and understand same sex desires and relations. Having sex with a man would not have you labelled as 'gay' , nor would having sex with a woman have you labeled as 'straight'. Sexuality was something you did, more of an action. They were also not so concerned and worried about falling into one or other box. Things changed with Abrahamic religions and their obsession with sins of the flesh and then in the modern era with science and the pathologization and characterisation of different characteristics into identity features.
@michaeljfoley1
@michaeljfoley1 10 ай бұрын
@@Mr.Witness "Gay" and "homosexual" are not the same thing. A man can engage in homosexual activity, as well as heterosexual activity...what does that "make" him? If his attractions are 80% towards women, but 20% towards men...what then?
@dewittbo
@dewittbo 10 ай бұрын
Another historical inaccuracy was when they showed the city of Babylon with the Ishtar Gate seemingly on the outer wall of the city when in fact it was a gateway into the sacred precincts of the city on the Processional Way near the center of the cityl
@haza7486
@haza7486 10 ай бұрын
In regards to Alexander’s Battle wounds and leading from the front lines , Alexander biographer Flavius Arrianus notes the multi battle injuries sustained by Alexander through his campaign, from long range weapons to close quarter weapons . Even Alexander himself in his speech described the wounds he sustained along side his troops
@MasterIceyy
@MasterIceyy 10 ай бұрын
he did claim to never have suffered a wound from the back, but I guess that's probably meant to mean he's never fled from combat
@AandKify
@AandKify 10 ай бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrian This guy? Meaning 400 years later?
@Billswiftgti
@Billswiftgti 10 ай бұрын
@@AandKify Yes, this guy is calling Hephestion "eromenos". So he must be right.
@peytonalexander5300
@peytonalexander5300 10 ай бұрын
"Who among you believes he’s worked harder for me than I have for him? Come on! If you’ve got scars, strip and show them to me. I’ll show you mine! There isn’t one part of my body, the front at least, that doesn’t bear a wound! Swords, arrows, stones, clubs. All for the sake of your lives, your glory, and your wealth." -Alexander the Great addressing his troops following the Opis Mutiny, 324 BC
@eleniminas7742
@eleniminas7742 10 ай бұрын
King Phillips body( skeleton)Alexander's father is in an museum Vergina( in Thessaloniki Macedonia, ive seen it. We still search for Alexander's body.Love from Greece 🇬🇷 ❤🎉
@Clint52279
@Clint52279 10 ай бұрын
How tall was he?
@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking 9 ай бұрын
Alexander's body is very likely in Venice. "Saint Mark's" body, which happens to be a mummy, was evacuated from Egypt and taken to Venice long ago. Curiously, the sarcophagus shows the sarissa spear and Macedon symbol of the sun.... Edit - and a chunk of it is in the foundation of St Mark's cathedral. Alexander was said to be taken to Egypt after death - and mummified / buried there. Hmmm.... Edit - mummified, not "modified" autocorrect 😅
@kostasbiker9302
@kostasbiker9302 10 ай бұрын
One thing to note is that the sources themselves aren't free of grudges, bias, preference, slander or what have you. It's evident in the wording some use, like Atheneus and Rufus, or Diogenes. It's extremely evident in Roman politics, and we should also mention that all sources listed are from the Roman times, not in Alexander's life, so make of that what you will. I doubt they'd be free of interpretational preference, like the case of Achilles and Patroclus. This isn't to support one case or the other but for some reason the moment people see a source it's like they forget, that we didn't develop personal bias yesterday. People have been twisting past figures to support their current politics or beliefs since antiquity.
@ardias40k
@ardias40k 10 ай бұрын
In addition, the majority of sources can only be generously called secondary and were written by people who lived well passed the lifetime of Alexander and any contemporaries. For example, some of the existing documents from that time are stone tablets with letters from Alexander to the Greek Cities.
@ardias40k
@ardias40k 10 ай бұрын
Just as an aside, Metatron mentioned frequently Plutarch who was 400 years after Alexander lived. I think we have to accept that we actually can't know because all sources are flawed and we really only know the man existed and the general scope of his successes.
@mowvu
@mowvu 10 ай бұрын
always think this. there were definitely bs merchants back then same as today
@Hearth123
@Hearth123 9 ай бұрын
Exactly, very important to keep that in mind especially with the wording in some of the sources
@davoid0716
@davoid0716 9 ай бұрын
Brilliantly said. Someone wrote something about him, oh it must be true then!! xD
@fiamou
@fiamou 10 ай бұрын
About Alexander;s wounds Plutarch lists a great number of them. He had A LOT. Also, King Philipp was assassinated on the road tio the thater of Aigai not inside a room as they showed.
@edfilandrianos
@edfilandrianos 10 ай бұрын
Technically, he died a he was walking out to make his appearance. I know what you meant, but the term “On the road” makes it sound like he was traveling to an uninformed reader.
@fiamou
@fiamou 10 ай бұрын
@@edfilandrianos You are right. But in the show they killed him indoors, which is BS.
@christhegreek3667
@christhegreek3667 10 ай бұрын
As a Greek i don't think Metatron really understands the respect and love that grows inside me about him!
@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329
@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329 10 ай бұрын
Get a room.
@christhegreek3667
@christhegreek3667 10 ай бұрын
@@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329 Lmfao,not in that way!
@kyle18934
@kyle18934 10 ай бұрын
​@christhegreek3667 what did you think of this show? I havnt watched it nor have any interest in watching it so I don't know how it is.
@christhegreek3667
@christhegreek3667 10 ай бұрын
@@kyle18934 The show has 6 episodes in total ,counting 40-45 minutes each, that's a lot of time wasted considering you can find KZbin channels making more informative and detailed videos about Alexander The Great. Something to note is that the music was TOP NOTCH! Maybe something that i liked in the series!
@kirstenmabee1124
@kirstenmabee1124 10 ай бұрын
Gay
@bobmckenna5511
@bobmckenna5511 8 ай бұрын
Sure, keep them coming. I appreciate your scholarly observations. Grazie.
@skontheroad
@skontheroad 10 ай бұрын
Richard the third's body was found in a parking lot in the UK fairly recently. A TON of documentaries were made about it, as well as a movie. On Netflix, I believe. Personally, I think that is more impressive as far as recent findings. Especially as it was then able to assess IF he was even "a hunchback", as we have all always believed, thanks to Shakespeare. It was interesting to learn about the curvature of his spine in detail. If you are into that sort of thing, that is...lol!
@jpmwright
@jpmwright 10 ай бұрын
Great video as usual. This is the kind of analysis I was looking for. Historical accuracy and integrity make or break a historical drama. Sadly there are so few that reach the heights needed.
@alexp6364
@alexp6364 10 ай бұрын
Netflix forgot the most important rule, the rule of cool. The Alexander movie from the 2000's understood this concept but for some reason Netflix is oblivious to this.
@nikosr265
@nikosr265 10 ай бұрын
Excellent video Metatron! My only caveat, as a Modern and Koine Greek Speaker, is comparing using modern Greek phrases to Latin and Italian. Late Attic/ Early Koine is closer to Modern Greek than Latin to Italian. But I’m nitpicking
@EagleLeader1
@EagleLeader1 10 ай бұрын
Netflix's Alexander makes Oliver Stone's Alexander look amazing.
@Hypernefelos
@Hypernefelos 10 ай бұрын
Oliver Stone's Alexander is unironically the best when it comes to showing Alexander's battles (until it gets to India and makes a mess of things). But is also gave us 'Babylon, Persia', which is repeated here. Way to obfuscate Babylon's status as a conquered rival imperial capital that was in frequent revolt against Persia.
@badlaamaurukehu
@badlaamaurukehu 10 ай бұрын
Rosario in her prime.
@EagleLeader1
@EagleLeader1 10 ай бұрын
@@badlaamaurukehu true but she's aging gracefully though.
@thomasmorris8435
@thomasmorris8435 10 ай бұрын
She had a nice figure🤤
@Max1990Power
@Max1990Power 10 ай бұрын
That movie was inspired by the books by valeri massimo manfredi
@RedHoodRubyRose
@RedHoodRubyRose 10 ай бұрын
The big issue is not that Alexander was interested in both man and woman, it's more that Netlix pushing only in one direction. They didn't explain or tried to explain how Alexander was interested in beauty, but only showed one side of it while using modern approach to it instead of how it was seen back then.
@zzodysseuszz
@zzodysseuszz 10 ай бұрын
I don’t believe he believe he preferred both. It doesn’t seem to match much of what was accepted at the time. I know they used to accuse leaders they didn’t like of being into men very often, could such a trend have muddied historical data?
@MartyrOfNoir
@MartyrOfNoir 10 ай бұрын
@@zzodysseuszzThis is cope
@MartyrOfNoir
@MartyrOfNoir 10 ай бұрын
Alexander was bisexual
@ManiacMayhem7256
@ManiacMayhem7256 10 ай бұрын
Oliver Stone kinda made this mistake too, albeit to a lesser extent. Issue with movie is it seems like he doesn't truly care for Roxanna at all and no mention is made of his... harem tendencies
@unbreakable7633
@unbreakable7633 10 ай бұрын
Ancient times and cultures cannot be compared to the modern world.
@chrisg2739
@chrisg2739 10 ай бұрын
Wow Metatron, you got the silver fox look moving in on those locks of yours! Looking good brother!
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 ай бұрын
Thank you sir
@kittehgo
@kittehgo 10 ай бұрын
He gets them from having to deal with stuff like Netflix 😁
@zombie92110
@zombie92110 10 ай бұрын
You really out here inflicting yourself this for us. Thx bro.
@Cht89751
@Cht89751 10 ай бұрын
"veni vidi vici alea iacta est Pizza, Mama Mia, Grazie" gaius julius mario caesar
@TheSuperappelflap
@TheSuperappelflap 10 ай бұрын
quod erat demonstrandum
@jancukasu
@jancukasu 10 ай бұрын
🤌🤌🤌
@heretic124
@heretic124 10 ай бұрын
*Gai Jul Rio Ceasar
@Zvabh
@Zvabh 10 ай бұрын
I cringed so hard to be honest
@Moncrom
@Moncrom 10 ай бұрын
"I will piss of everyone on the political spectrum." Sounds like music in my ears.
@ImperialSenpai
@ImperialSenpai 10 ай бұрын
I mean I’m not pissed, have reservations when it comes to the Roman writings though since it happened way after his life.
@Moncrom
@Moncrom 10 ай бұрын
@@ImperialSenpai That's like saying writing a report on hitlers life now as gen z member is irrevant to future generations because we didn't live to see it.
@ImperialSenpai
@ImperialSenpai 10 ай бұрын
@@Moncrom I don’t know where the Roman ones got their original sources or if they just made it up. Which is why I said I have reservations about it. Also I would not trust %99.9 of gen Z or millennials on knowing anything about WWII as a whole so that doesn’t help and a lot of things about it. Including Hitler’s life get lied about for ideological reasons leaving a lot of people ignorant about it.
@maxgehtdnixan4913
@maxgehtdnixan4913 10 ай бұрын
@@Moncrom It's LESS relevant than a source directly from his time. Mostly because you're reiterating what those sources said through the lens of your generation. Much like Chinese whispers, do that often enough and you don't necessarily have an accurate picture anymore. One century isn't a big deal, but several can make sources questionable. Since they're sources based on sources based on sources...
@markuhler2664
@markuhler2664 10 ай бұрын
As a conservative whose instincts are to distrust modern reinterpretations of historical figures, I'm not pissed off. I get what our host was getting at about angering both sides, but I doubt my reaction is hardly unique among cons. And yes, moncrom, documents from several hundred of years after an event are not weighted the same as contemporary sources. Even moreso when you include different languages and cultures. Why is that difficult for you to understand?
@jensphiliphohmann1876
@jensphiliphohmann1876 10 ай бұрын
About 14:30 _"... someone cries because his best friend died, he must be gay, they must have been in a relationship."_ That's ludicrous. What would such people say about a teacher mourning the death of one of his students?
@nicolethompson8613
@nicolethompson8613 10 ай бұрын
That seems an odd example. Any teacher who actually mourns a student, (rather than just being sad about it), would be suspect in my eyes. I wouldn't want any teacher so attached to my kid that they go around crying about it as if they were family (or a friend). I have been a Sunday School teacher and then coordinator at my church for years, having the same kids to work with for years in a row, having lots of events and being part of the church family, too. If something happened to one of them, I would be sad about it, might even cry a little, but I wouldn't "mourn". Not trying to be mean, maybe your interpretation of the word "mourn" is different from mine. Plus some of us are a bit touchy about the teachers or president who claim other people's children as "all of our children". I agree that mourning someone doesn't mean that you are romantically in love with them, fwiw, but I might use a better example than teacher and student.
@ashyroy9454
@ashyroy9454 10 ай бұрын
​@@nicolethompson8613wow, you might be heartless then. If a teacher doesn't mourn their student their heart is made of stone
@nicolethompson8613
@nicolethompson8613 10 ай бұрын
@@ashyroy9454 be sad, yes. Mourning is a different thing. I am far from heartless. Mourning is defined as: "the expression of deep sorrow for someone who has died, typically involving following certain conventions such as wearing black clothes.".
@Kp42083
@Kp42083 10 ай бұрын
​@nicolethompson8613 I didn't have very good parents growing up and my teachers completely helped me survive my childhood by providing good examples and supporting me. I talked to my first grade teacher until she died. This is a sad view that you have.
@spinosaurusstriker
@spinosaurusstriker 10 ай бұрын
@@Kp42083 its obvious that your teacher was gay dude pfff
@Azvikingdesigns
@Azvikingdesigns 8 ай бұрын
Honestly I've never been mad at you cause I believe you truly tell the truth without bias, you look at the evidence and report what you find, excellent channel
@user-sc5iv2rp2t
@user-sc5iv2rp2t 10 ай бұрын
First argument in Alexander's propaganda was that the cause of the campaign was to punish the killers of his father and avenge the destruction of Athens.
@kathleenhensley5951
@kathleenhensley5951 10 ай бұрын
He had a real emotional (and nearly, a spiritual) Tie to Achilles, also. I think he believed He was Achilles, reborn. ( If I remember correctly) He kept the Iliad under his pillow. And yes, he also wanted to pay Persia back for its two invasion.
@jameswilliams3241
@jameswilliams3241 10 ай бұрын
Your intellectual honesty is why I cherish your channel.
@lazyknowledge6286
@lazyknowledge6286 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for your unbiased opinion on the whole topic. I have learned very much from it and am really looking forward to your next videos about the series since I won't be watching it myself. That way I can be sure I get more historically correct information through you than from listening to the show.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 ай бұрын
My pleasure
@artkoenig9434
@artkoenig9434 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your erudite and clear-eyed analysis. A real breath of fresh air.
@hocestbellumchannel
@hocestbellumchannel 10 ай бұрын
Hi Metatron, I'm Greek myself. Erastis and Eromenos according to Plato are NOT sexual. It is a relationship between a teacher and a student. "eros" means a deep relationship of respect and love for knowledge. There is a distinct separation between "Eros" which is intellectual and love which is sexual. It's not as straightforward as it seems.
@zhshsG7
@zhshsG7 10 ай бұрын
Can you provide a link? I don't know ancient Greek, but in modern Greek the εραστής/ερωμένος distinction Metatron claims definitely makes sense.
@kostasbiker9302
@kostasbiker9302 10 ай бұрын
Eros does mean desire but it isn't strictly sexual desire. Hence the word Pederasty, it doesn't mean desire for kids, it means desire for teaching.
@hocestbellumchannel
@hocestbellumchannel 10 ай бұрын
@@zhshsG7 Plato's Phaedrus describes this in detail. Mind that you should read the book and be wary of translations. Avoid reading interpretations of the book.
@leonardoferrari4852
@leonardoferrari4852 10 ай бұрын
No, they did fuck young boys. It was very sexual, Eva Cantarella wrote heaps about this and you just to look at greek ceramics to see that it was very much a sexual relation. This does not mean they were f*gs like some people believe
@bernardoteixeira8428
@bernardoteixeira8428 10 ай бұрын
I had a class with a teacher about the book Theogony, and at the beginning we have the birth of Eros, which is love as you described, a type of love that moves things, and then, you have the birth of Eros, another God, that is about carnal love, the Romans called this God Cupid. So we have both types of Eros, the problem is knowing which Eros people are talking about, for Netflix it will always be the second.
@anthonyoer4778
@anthonyoer4778 10 ай бұрын
Your refrence of Arrian, Discourses of Epictetus, is 450 years after Alexander, written by a Roman about a Greek. The Romans admired Greek culture but thought them morally questionable.
@MannerdDesert7
@MannerdDesert7 10 ай бұрын
Yeah most of his sources in the video aren’t contemporary & the one that is he admits is authentically dubious. I’ve made a comment asking him about it & hopefully he responds as I respect Metatron but his conclusion is very strange considering his stance on Achilles and Patroclus.
@OGTheDemon
@OGTheDemon 10 ай бұрын
@@MannerdDesert7 You are aware Achilles and Patroclus arent real people right?
@levski19
@levski19 10 ай бұрын
That´s why I like ancient history but I never believe in almost anything written. Too few sources which can´t be authenticated.
@OGTheDemon
@OGTheDemon 10 ай бұрын
@@levski19 If historians thought like that nothing would pass the bar lol.
@levski19
@levski19 10 ай бұрын
@@OGTheDemon Indeed but still too much hypothesis and conjecture to suit me.
@DisasterxDesign
@DisasterxDesign 10 ай бұрын
Ever since I watched it I’ve been waiting for this. Thanks for the video.
@WY_Circus_Freak
@WY_Circus_Freak 10 ай бұрын
Everyone who knows anything knows that Alexander's one true love was Bucephalus...
@TC-lb4gl
@TC-lb4gl 9 ай бұрын
Don't underestimate how much you can appreciate the loyalty of a horse. Probably considered that horse more valuable than half his generals.
@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch
@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch 9 ай бұрын
Alexander couldn't be defeated in battle because he was already used to having his organs rearranged.
@itrrii6582
@itrrii6582 2 ай бұрын
@@Cyrus_T_LaserpunchAlexander was the erastes he was the one arranging the organs
@SgtRocko
@SgtRocko 10 ай бұрын
And of COURSE Netflix has to FIRST tell us - rightly - that Zoroastrianism gave an equal or near-equal role to women, and queens wielded a lot of power. A few moments later, they have the Persian king pooh-poohing someone as being "a mere woman" LOL THANK YOU METATRON for another wonderful, organised, erudite video!!!
@NefariousKoel
@NefariousKoel 10 ай бұрын
Queens wielded a lot of power throughout history. The infamous "modern audience" Intersectionalists often try to portray them akin to slaves in order to justify their own hateful behavior. The exaggeration can get pretty thick.
@giorgijioshvili9713
@giorgijioshvili9713 10 ай бұрын
​@@NefariousKoel often queens had no power its Just a historical fact
@IreneWY
@IreneWY 10 ай бұрын
​@@NefariousKoelsome Queens wielded power. Others got their heads chopped off because their king was horny for a younger model. Context is everything. You generalise as much as the "modern audiences" you demonise. But your statement is no better.
@TiggerTiger-le8kc
@TiggerTiger-le8kc 10 ай бұрын
@@giorgijioshvili9713 queens and women wielded power quite often, but through men. Look at Katherine of Aragorn, she made military decisions on behalf of her husband when he was away. Margaret Beaufort certainly used every wit she had to get her son onto the English throne. Anne Boleyn influenced Henry so much he broke from the Catholic Church. She could have been content with being a mistress, but she wanted to be queen and wanted to reform the religion. You’d be surprised by how much influence women could have. It’s just the man usually had the last say whether he was right or wrong.
@OcarinaSapphr-
@OcarinaSapphr- 10 ай бұрын
It's important to specify the kind of power royal women wielded *on average* - which was usually 'soft power'; they served as patrons of the arts, they were involved in charity, the education of their children/ the children of others - people begged for their intercession, in legal matters- & they might apply to the king on behalf of others, as it wouldn't be 'proper' for grown men to _beg_ for mercy on their own behalf- but it was entirely fitting for women & children, & even aged parents to do so- & a king could claim to be 'moved to mercy' by such gestures. There are instances of women wielding both hard *&* soft power- but that was often almost always a Queen Regnant- as in, women ruling *in their own right* - most queens were mere consorts, & occasionally regents for under-age heirs. They were often the exception, not the rule...
@jonirenicus9903
@jonirenicus9903 10 ай бұрын
All the great generals you mentioned are freakin' legends. For me, a totally underrated and underappreciated general in history is Eastern Roman General Flavius Belisarius. He barely gets any credit, despite the amazing feats he achieved. I think it's a wider issue, Eastern Roman (aka "Byzantine") history is underrepresented in modern media.
@blablubb8615
@blablubb8615 10 ай бұрын
Sadly Belisarius (as awesome as he was) never had much lasting success due to massive underfunding. Thats probably why he never had that much of an impact in the History Books.
@jonirenicus9903
@jonirenicus9903 10 ай бұрын
@@blablubb8615 yes, but I think that was mostly Justinian's fault.
@blablubb8615
@blablubb8615 10 ай бұрын
@@jonirenicus9903 Well Byzantine was simply in no condition to invade anything at the time , but yes.
@ChucleberryFinn
@ChucleberryFinn 10 ай бұрын
He led every attack, he almost died on a tower as a result, fighting alone, with an arrow in his chest
@firingallcylinders2949
@firingallcylinders2949 10 ай бұрын
Achilles: "Imagine a king who fights his own battles" Alexander: Alright bet
@Pavlos_Charalambous
@Pavlos_Charalambous 10 ай бұрын
​@@firingallcylinders2949well he did liked reading illiad so..
@Leynx-Et-Fenrir
@Leynx-Et-Fenrir 10 ай бұрын
@@Pavlos_Charalambous Alexander is an Achilles cosplay / acting method pushed too far
@fran3ro
@fran3ro 10 ай бұрын
... and a hard on.
@szeleddie
@szeleddie 9 ай бұрын
​@@Pavlos_CharalambousEven more so he was one the HEROES who he worshipped!!! Despite he was a GOD himself!!!
@ollystump8821
@ollystump8821 10 ай бұрын
I like the Skyrim reference. Well done, Metatron.
@GeraltofRivia22
@GeraltofRivia22 10 ай бұрын
Male friendship is apparently a foreign concept to modern writers.
@AS-qy1zl
@AS-qy1zl 10 ай бұрын
Oh wow they’re still on THAT lol?
@Doug_M
@Doug_M 10 ай бұрын
You have close male friends...that makes you part of the rainbow crowd. According to the crazy left anyways.
@Blinxvibro1334
@Blinxvibro1334 10 ай бұрын
It's either men are toxic or lovers can't be in-between 😝
@mattshaw4016
@mattshaw4016 10 ай бұрын
Exactly, if you admire a male while being a male they automatically think you are gay... The warped minds of actual gay people, it's why they try and convert any straight guy they see.
@PureMaddnessOne
@PureMaddnessOne 10 ай бұрын
Same with bromances.
@stax6092
@stax6092 10 ай бұрын
Wait, Netflix got the Helmets right? Maybe, they are going to get the Leather Bracers right next time. ;) XD
@wyattrota9070
@wyattrota9070 10 ай бұрын
Love this channel man
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 ай бұрын
I appreciate
@geoffreyprince
@geoffreyprince 8 ай бұрын
" ... Good luck with the Ptolemaic Dynasty." lol - omg - I love you! Once again - BRILLIANT! Very enjoyable and enlightening. You might want to consider doing a discussion of the Ptolemies. I think it would be fascinating. Thanks for your time.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 8 ай бұрын
Thanks glad you liked the video
@WieldingEminator
@WieldingEminator 10 ай бұрын
Me: Clicked video. Metatron: Stares back. Me: "...yes?" Metatron: "You're all wrong!" Me: "...oh. OH!"
@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329
@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329 10 ай бұрын
You left out. Then goes on to waste everybody's time. This video could have been ten minutes long with four or five topics. And that's including the add. Was your mind blow by him waffling for ages?
@davidburroughs2244
@davidburroughs2244 10 ай бұрын
I've been married three times... I am very used to being wrong, thank you.
@zachgrall6543
@zachgrall6543 10 ай бұрын
Ancient Roman’s speaking modern Italian is something I’d expect from like a Mel brooks film! Lol
@tsgillespiejr
@tsgillespiejr 10 ай бұрын
LOVING these cold opens lately 😅
@stevenschomberger1465
@stevenschomberger1465 10 ай бұрын
Alexander (and his father) were incredibly underrated in sieges... they were masterful in a siege. Alexander was not simply a cavalry leader!
@Vicus_of_Utrecht
@Vicus_of_Utrecht 10 ай бұрын
He was also a taco vendor
@joanthemadxxxxxx1832
@joanthemadxxxxxx1832 6 ай бұрын
Steven the anglo was with alexander the south european in his campaigns
@millamulisha
@millamulisha 10 ай бұрын
The definitive analysis. Nice ad placement by the way, wicked smart. 😂
@jtmartin1170
@jtmartin1170 10 ай бұрын
I had the video set to audio only (I was in my car) and I heard Metatron call out “JT” and I honestly jumped in my seat. I had to pull over and make sure that: 1. You weren’t mentioning me by name and 2. I hadn’t posted something that outrageously while blackout drunk or something.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 10 ай бұрын
Lol that’s funny
@jtmartin1170
@jtmartin1170 10 ай бұрын
@@metatronyt it was quite frightening
@TimeOfTroubles73
@TimeOfTroubles73 10 ай бұрын
Netflix invites you to hear the story of one of history’s greatest conquerors: Alexander the Great. Played by one of the most compelling actors of our time: Jada Pinkett-Smith. The New York Times raves: Pinkett-Smith delivers a powerful performance as Alexander. The Washington Post proclaims: Pinkett-Smith has forever altered the way we will picture Alexander the Great. And National Inquirer exclaims: Don’t ever let anyone tell you different - Alexander the Great was a Black Woman.
@silverchairsg
@silverchairsg 10 ай бұрын
So brave!
@mushroomanjcc1954
@mushroomanjcc1954 7 ай бұрын
Great video as always. I've said it many time, i appreciate how you always go for the facts, along with using the language of the time to break down what it means in our modern day
@kaizokujimbei143
@kaizokujimbei143 10 ай бұрын
The Greek language has many different words that describe different kinds of love. Some examples: Φιλία is friendship. Στοργή is filial. Αγάπη is a general affection. Ανιδιοτελής αγάπη is unconditional love. Αφοσίωση is devotion. Έρως is romantic/sexual. Μανία is obsessive. Φιλαυτία is egoism. Λαγνεία is lust.
@timmyturner327
@timmyturner327 10 ай бұрын
interesting.
@naevan1
@naevan1 10 ай бұрын
these terms change within the span of 25 centuries
@locusta-bw2vd
@locusta-bw2vd 10 ай бұрын
@@naevan1 But you can still find the ancient meaning of the words because the ancient Greeks themselves wrote the definitions.
@naevan1
@naevan1 10 ай бұрын
@@locusta-bw2vd on what dialect ? The attic? The Macedonian? The Laconian? It is not as simple and most papers just speculate and project the historians own beliefs in it, so take everything with a grain of salt
@locusta-bw2vd
@locusta-bw2vd 10 ай бұрын
@@naevan1 Read the original texts yourself. No need to read papers made by historians. As forthe dialect, it is mostly Attic and Koine, because most philosophers used those two.
@joshcline8764
@joshcline8764 10 ай бұрын
I know its gonna be good every time one of your videos starts off with a prolonged stone cold stare into my soul. Haha.
@guillermoc9957
@guillermoc9957 10 ай бұрын
Hi!, love your content. As an advice, you could add a menu on your video so is easier to navigate through it :)
@erinaltstadt4234
@erinaltstadt4234 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for going into detail
@maryatracer154
@maryatracer154 10 ай бұрын
I think I must be Eris, because I kind of want to go back in time to Ancient Greece and "innocently" ask in the marketplace if Achilles and Patroclus were lovers, and if Andromeda was black or blonde, just to watch fights break out.
@kronoscamron7412
@kronoscamron7412 10 ай бұрын
0:10 ohhh ohhh , I know that face...
@arwenrosefall8081
@arwenrosefall8081 10 ай бұрын
Have you heard the "theory" claiming the body of Saint Mark in Venice is actually Alexander the Great? I don't believe it but it's fun to think about in the Ancient Aliens sort of way and might make for an interesting video
@r.j.amadeus9128
@r.j.amadeus9128 10 ай бұрын
I saw the trailer and that’s it .. Alexander’s real history is already fascinating. Thank you for your passion and dedication to history and finding historical accuracy.
@tynytian
@tynytian 10 ай бұрын
I'd like to know your thoughts on the video by Leather Apron Club about ancient greek attitudes about lgbt, specifically pederasty. In his video, he argued that pederasty wasn't primarily sexual in nature, but was meant to be a kind of mentor/mentee relationship, and that sexual pederasty was severely discouraged.
@RKB-2001
@RKB-2001 9 ай бұрын
That's not some controversial take. In most cases is was a completely normal mentor - mentee relationship. There are even stories of men of higher status being killed for raping boys as their mentor
@RivetHead999
@RivetHead999 10 ай бұрын
If Netflix (or any director anywhere) would hire you as a historical advisor, and let you be in charge of historical accuracy and integrity, I would watch whatever movie/show was made.
@SgtRocko
@SgtRocko 10 ай бұрын
I would actually re-subscribe to Netflix if Metatron was put in charge of historical accuracy!
@scrappydoo7887
@scrappydoo7887 10 ай бұрын
If only. Unfortunately their staff of pink haired screechers would call him an extremist
@itsMe_TheHerpes
@itsMe_TheHerpes 10 ай бұрын
we need to talk more about the importance of the LGBT+ community. in ancient times it was not only normal, but also very common.
@scrappydoo7887
@scrappydoo7887 10 ай бұрын
@@itsMe_TheHerpes oh look it's the troll with no life. Everyone disregard this thing. All he does is stir trouble
@itsMe_TheHerpes
@itsMe_TheHerpes 10 ай бұрын
@@scrappydoo7887 so mentioning mere facts means "trouble" now ey ?
@giorgosmichael9142
@giorgosmichael9142 10 ай бұрын
Hiephestian and Alexander literally GREW UP TOGETHER.
@Alejojojo6
@Alejojojo6 10 ай бұрын
They had a love-sexual thing going on for sure.
@something4179
@something4179 10 ай бұрын
Μην σπαταλάς χρόνο σε ανόητους ξένους που δεν μπορούν να κάνουν μια σωστή έρευνα πόσο μάλλον μετάφραση. Για αυτούς όπου δουν "σύντροφος" σημαίνει "Ομοφυλλόφιλος" λες και όλοι οι προγονοί μας ήταν τίποτα ανώμαλοι όπως η σημερινή διαστρευλομένη δυτική κοινωνία. "Ο Ιάσωνας και οι σύντροφοι του" για παραδειγμά ήταν μια σεξουαλική ομάδα για αυτούς...όχι ένα πλήρωμα από διάφορους άνδρες όπου με την ευκαιρία ο κάθε ένας τους είχε μια δικιά του φυσιολογική οικογένεια. Κοίτα τον Ηρακλή με την Δηιάνειρα, όπου ήταν μέλος του πληρώματος για παράδειγμα.
@plasticweapon
@plasticweapon 10 ай бұрын
and?
@N0die
@N0die 9 ай бұрын
@@plasticweaponand that’s why they were often referred to as “inseparable”
@opticalraven1935
@opticalraven1935 9 ай бұрын
​@@plasticweaponEver hesrd of the expression "closer than a brother"? It means that two people are extremely close friends, a platonic soulmate. You can have extremely close friends and not be sexually attracted to them.
@stanlgr32opq
@stanlgr32opq 10 ай бұрын
great vid with source and cited material
@jorgenantonioelgueta7842
@jorgenantonioelgueta7842 10 ай бұрын
I can't believe they crapped on Philip. Blinded by an arrow to the eye, took a spear to the leg, modernised the Macedonian army, brought together the royal houses and raised one the most interesting figures of the ancient world. Talk about a missed opportunity.
@DorianMauleon
@DorianMauleon 10 ай бұрын
I'm so obsessed with Alexander since I studied Latin/ancient greek at high school and we used to translate some original texts. I was born the same day as him (if dates correct) and always thought of him as one of the most interesting characters in ancient history. Not only his warrior, leader and strategist skills but how close we can get to how he was as a person at some points in his life by historians. And between all that makes his story and legend his sexuality had never interested me that much. I'm gay and really didn't care, never questioned if some other great man could or not be gay (there's a thousand jokes about J. Caesar and his early life is even more explicit). Alexander being gay never got my attention except for that period of his life when Hephaestion died and how much that affected him. That period when the great unstoppable warrior had to stop, got very angry and cried. Don't understand why anyone would take that small fact as so important. He also had a wife, and children (sad story for them sadly) and won't really care about who he loves or who he f"cks. Great job with this video, as always. And patroclo/Achilles were cousins plus they weren't real, just characters. Most likely the intensity about Achilles feelings when patroclo died were written that intense for narrative purposes, nothing else or if there was Homero would have direcly and explicitly written that.
@cloudninetherapeutics7787
@cloudninetherapeutics7787 10 ай бұрын
I don't consider myself left, right or center. I like the truth, facts. Pursue the facts, don't back down. I can handle the truth. Very appreciative of your determination, Rafael. God bless you and your family everyday.
@bloodworthmagic
@bloodworthmagic 10 ай бұрын
Yes, but that path leads to the right. For it is where truth, beauty and humor, are allowed to flourish.
@cloudninetherapeutics7787
@cloudninetherapeutics7787 10 ай бұрын
It does. I was speaking of the political aspects of "The Right", for I do not put myself in such a place. Truth is so much larger than all the semantics modern society has attached to "a side" a person can take, would you agree? @@bloodworthmagic
@itsMe_TheHerpes
@itsMe_TheHerpes 10 ай бұрын
it's good to see that we finally started to acknowledge the importance of the LGBT+ community thru out history. being LGBT+ was not only a normal thing, but also it was very common, as we may see from many historical movies.
@charliejackson6192
@charliejackson6192 10 ай бұрын
@@bloodworthmagic😂
@anonisnoone6125
@anonisnoone6125 10 ай бұрын
@@itsMe_TheHerpesDid u not watch the video? The LGBT community did not exist throughout history. It's a modern concept and our idea of gay does not apply to history.
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