Were The Ancient Romans Nordic? The Truth

[@metatronyt]

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[@skibidi.G]

Tsk tsk Metatron, you're a Swedish transplant... You just didn't know about it yet. Let's ask Günther.

[@azurebadger]

I have a critique regarding your definitions and contextual substantiation used for your approach to the subject. You limited the frame of reference to the roman society as it was during the time of its empire, not the origins of its people. You need to go much further back in time to find the origins of both greek and roman people. What the claim about nordic ancestry asserted, as in the definition developed during the 19th century you used, had a different assertion in that the mediteranian greeks and romans shared more ancient common roots. That was what you were supposed to critique. Not the descriptions the romans used to distinguish themselves in their chronicles. You yourself bear the resemblance of a yamnaya tribesman as we now generally think them to have appeared. Much diminished in stature of course. No offense. This was a common ancestor. One all europeans share in some part. The early migrations were complex and i assert that your focus of study on rome belies your lack of study of more ancient things. Your definitions were presuming something that produced useless results and muddied the waters on the subject entirely. What i took from this gladly were all the tid bits of info. Much appreciated. But be careful how you construct the framework of your arguments. The conclusions you draw from such things can be lightly discarded. And i think you’re better than that

[@BiggusD77]

But Nordicism is over a 100 years old, and pretty much extinct by now. Who still believes and promotes such obvious pseudoscience these days?

[@ezrafaulk3076]

I'm honestly surprised this's even believed *at all* ; I always just understood the Romans to be of the *Mediterranean* phenotype whatever it's officially called, since the Mediterranean region is where the Italian peninsula is. Maybe the *Germanic* tribes they conquered belonged to the Nordic phenotype, but I *doubt* the Romans would've wanted to mix *their* blood with that of the "barbarians"; and thus think they would've stuck with just their *own* , or people of the same phenotype like the *Greeks* . I say all this as someone who has a strong *English* presence in my blood, and thus, I'm probably of the Nordic phenotype myself because the English often intermingled with the Norsemen and were *already* of the same phenotype beforehand. I don't have blue eyes or blonde hair (I wish I did), but that's probably because of the fact that I also have strong *Chaktaw* (probably misspelled it) native American presence in my blood too.

[@PerdiccasMKD]

You forgot to debunk the whole "Nordic elites ruled over Rome" by mentioning all the non Roman Emperors such as Constantine the Great who was born in Moesia and that he was of illiro-Thracian Balkanic origin. Septimius Severus who was born in Leptis Magna Libya and who was of Italic-Punic origin. Caracalla who was of semetic origin (Punic/Carthaginian-Arab) Justinian(Eastern Roman emperor) who was born in Tauresium present day near the city of Skopje Macedonia etc.

[@Señor-Donjusticia]

I can confirm based on what my grandma told me that the Ancient Romans were actually Korean and I don’t care what any other historian or anthropologist says!

[@Matlalcueitl]

I see what you did there…

[@frisianmouve]

The nephew of my great aunt on my fathers side told me that they were definitely aboriginals though

[@alessandro_natali]

After all, the Kingdom of Silla was a real political entity in ancient Korea. Coincidence? I think not!

[@MustardSkaven]

Don't listen to what anyone tells you. Ancient Romans were Korean!

[@antoniobautista6718]

People think that the Indo-Europeans were from the steppe, but they're actually remnants from the Finno-Korean Hyperwar!!!!!!!

[@just9911]

My Italian grandmother always said “I don’t care what they tell you in school, ancient Romans were actually time travelers from New Jersey”

[@bosertheropode5443]

That explains all the degeneracy.

[@Tybold63]

😆

[@brunomerinocanales3433]

I always knew the consul Antonius Sapranius looked familiar

[@hannibalburgers477]

Ayy!

[@Vanity0666]

They fell through a portal in judea to real life new york city

[@reaperanon979]

Yes. They were pure-blooded hyperboreans who arrived in spaceships around the time the Finno-Korean Hyperwar happened, which set us back technologically ~50000 years.

[@julietfischer5056]

@@Qqq-fp3uk- You missed the joke. Well, I hope it was a joke.

[@jumantewashington8715]

The Hyperborean (Siberian) origin of the Aryans, and therefore the Romans, has been proven by genetics. The Eastern Hunter Gatherers migrated to the Russian Steppe, bringing with them the genes for blue eyes and blonde hair. They mixed with people from the Caucus mountains and became the Aryans.

[@reaperanon979]

@@julietfischer5056 We don't joke about the Finno-Korean hyperwar here. lmao

[@pridefulobserver3807]

damn, must be 2 years since last time i heard about the hyperboreans and the finno-korean HYPERWAR in 55000 B.C. (aprox im not an expert on that schorlarly subject)

[@razacosmicapilled]

Me when I cope

[@studiozone2203]

People have always (and will always) attempt to strip Italians of our history , culture , and accomplishments. It seems this goes for all Mediterranean people who have rich heritages. From Greece to Egypt to Italy and everything in between. They either try to white wash (in this case, it's blonde wash haha) or black wash instead of letting Mediterranean people have our history and our culture. I'm glad we have people on the front lines debunking this nonsense. Well done!

[@chrisnewbury3793]

Oh you poor Italians cry me a fucking river lmfao

[@CatotheE]

@@chrisnewbury3793 Lol. Do you say that about all revisionism?

[@SockAccount111]

@@chrisnewbury3793 it's ALWAYS a boomer, luckily you will have all kicked the bucket in a decade or so

[@blessed7614]

​@@chrisnewbury3793hi virgin nerd, im sorry for your parents

[@morghe321]

There are FAR more afrocentrics these days who try to black wash Roman/Italian history than there Nordicists who try to "blond wash". Nordicism is pretty much dead today.

[@MrMetonicus]

I remember my grandmother telling me, "I don't care what they tell you in school. The Romans were Nordic (and Black)."

[@joelkurowski7129]

Well done, you got a hearty chuckle from me.

[@jimmyalfonda3536]

What??

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

Split right down the middle, just like those black and white/white and black aliens on Star Trek!

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@Oliverk229 AND SHE WAS JEWISH AND DYSLEXIC TOO!

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

Black Nords. Great name for a Zulu Viking metal band 🤘

[@faryafaraji]

Possibly the best representation of this is in HBO’s Rome: a commoner insults blonde haired Vorenus by telling him to “get back to Gaul, ginger knob.” He retorts by admitting he does have a Gallic air about him, but he is a true Roman nonetheless. It’s a simple kind of nuance extremists can’t catch: there were blondes in Italy, there always have been, just statistically less than Northern Europe, hence why blonde hair will always have a Northern association in those lands despite certainly being present there.

[@andreascovano7742]

Hey farya! Any hints on next song?

[@bluebird3281]

HBO Rome was a great show, RIP Rat Stevens. The Cisalpine Gauls were definitely a thing.

[@admirekashiri9879]

I wish I watched this show when it came out. Is it still worth checking out?

[@bluebird3281]

@@admirekashiri9879Absolutely worth checking out. Head and shoulders above the tripe out nowadays

[@philippmetzger1126]

The nomen gentile "FLAVIVS" show us, that a blond roman must ave existed, but it was exraordinary enough so he was named after this.

[@LeatherApronClubChannel]

A rare Metatron miss. Roman aristocracy was obviously Atlantean.

[@actuallyKriminell]

Duh. Obviously. Common KZbinr L

[@ImperialSenpai]

Funny way to say Han Chinese.

[@christiankalinkina239]

Maybe you could look at the ethnic background of metatrons source material 🤔

[@marcobelli6856]

Babylonian🤣🤣🤣

[@jdamsel8212]

Weird seeing you in the wild

[@Bwkjam]

When you realize the white nationalists and black nationalists are the same personality type.

[@johnP0908]

exactly. they both have their own kinds of delusions.

[@jasonr5989]

Derived from insecurity

[@POCKET-SAND]

@Austrian_Painters_TopGuy False. the DNA shows Romans were basically the same as modern Italians.

[@POCKET-SAND]

@Austrian_Painters_TopGuy Modern Italians aren't Germanic. Even the Northernmost Italians barely have any Germanic ancestry according to the DNA.

[@POCKET-SAND]

@Austrian_Painters_TopGuy Hey genius, almost all Europeans have Indo-European DNA. The archeology supports the idea that the Romans weren't much different from modern Italians. Cite me ONE credible article that says the Romans were Nordic, just one from a source that isn't David Irving, I'll wait.

[@spyrofrost9158]

My grandmother told me. I don't care what they tell you in school; Julius Ceasar was Norwegian!

[@alansmithee8831]

@spyrofrost. No chance of winning Ballon d'Or then?

[@DemonKingBadger]

My grandmother told me I don't care what they tell you in school Plato was Cherokee.

[@airborneranger-ret]

lol

[@cocacola4blood365]

So when Caesar is ousted from power, would that be called Salad Tossing?

[@alansmithee8831]

@@wanheda319 Did he use his Winchester on anyone who accused him of being anything else?

[@JaelaOrdo]

One thing I always find funny about the whole “was x group actually y group” thing is that certain groups of people may do it more than others in the modern day but it’s something people have been doing for thousands of years. The more things change the more they stay the same.

[@careyfreeman5056]

Can you provide some examples, because this feels like a modern racial theory thing. I took over 12 hours of Roman History in college from a very well renowned professor and questions like this never entered into the discussion. I'm sure the Romans - like most every culture in Europe - are descended from Indo Europeans. So, I guess they were distantly related to the Nordic cultures.

[@Socraticstatic44]

This is what I love about anthropology. Read Anna Karenina or the Moon in Six Pence...the human emotion and condition remains at it has from Socrates to Schoepenhauer. Humans are consistently repeating their primate mistakes. Excellent post 😊

[@HeathenDance]

Human beings are a social and tribal species. It's in their DNA. Intelligent people are able to snap out of it. But most people aren't that smart, no.

[@lars9925]

​@@careyfreeman5056 The Romans themselves claimed to be Trojans.

[@Rudol_Zeppili]

⁠​⁠@@careyfreeman5056they’re related to Nordic cultures in the sense that both of them have influx of Pontic caspian steppe and early European farmer ancestry but they’re not the same population nor do they have the same exact features, but their languages and aspects of culture* are related through the steppe herder (Indo-European) ancestry which brought those languages to the rest of Europe and to South Asia. Not entirely contesting your comment, just adding more accuracy to it. (*The Romans have cultural influence from Greek and near eastern cultures, which means despite the relation to the Pontic Caspian steppe herders, their culture wasn’t just sourced from them.)

[@aetherial87]

Normal people: Romans were Roman. Crazies: NAH THEY WERE * insert favored group here *

[@andredulac4456]

I'm pretty sure they were americans, they both love eagles !

[@nodosa994]

So true lol

[@actuallyKriminell]

My grandma told me so it must be true

[@JohnGrandline]

​@americanchristiannationalist Israoelis are rep1tilian

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@1sanitat1 they're get the most triggered whenever someone doesn't view White people are superior But love calling out black people who claim all nations were black Its really sad

[@KrakHead193]

My grandmother told me "no matter what they tell you, Julius Caesar was swedish" His real name was Jan-Lars Kajsson

[@ilgufo1146]

Stockholm caput mundi

[@Progamermove_2003]

Then who were the Vikings according to your grandmother?

[@samuraigaming3042]

@@Progamermove_2003 Proto-Sumerians....

[@phillynott6811]

@@Progamermove_2003 Albino Inuit

[@pempotfoy6206]

Very funny joke, the fact that there's already another docen of these comments makes it hilarious

[@starfox300]

The Romans saw the Germanic people as barbarians, they also talked about their distinct features of having light hair and eyes, being tall etc. It's very clear they saw them as unique and different from the Romans

[@8rr725]

They saw them as inferior.

[@matthewmann8969]

They also saw other Non Med Europeans as well as Non Med Africans And Non Med Asians as beneath them yeah.

[@matthewolaechea1869]

@@matthewmann8969 They also saw other Italians that were Non- Ethnic Latins before they expanded citizenship to the rest of Italy as barbarians.

[@SeekingHisWill77]

@@8rr725 most likely on account of cultural norms than physical characteristics.

[@starlight5322]

Pope Gregory I, "Bene, nam et angelicam habent faciem, et tales angelorum in caelis decet esse coheredes" (It is well, for they have an angelic face, and such people ought to be co-heirs of the angels in heaven).

[@Socraticstatic44]

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored- Huxley. Thank you for always revealing the facts among the forest of fallacy 😊

[@71Fenderv22]

Aldous Huxley... Yes, always a good read.

[@bigbasil1908]

'Shyt man, these mushrooms are really good' - Aldous Huxley 😛🍄

[@jhoughjr1]

I dunno why that alliteration never occurred to me before. Its quite apt.

[@Red_Devil_2011]

As usual there is a colossal cloud of obfuscation and lies simply because, as even comments in these very replies show, we have all been brainwashed to believe that anything defending White people- -especially the survival of nordic Whites- -equals MUH NAZIS! equals DUH MOST EVILEST THING EVER! People are too brain-dead to consider that Meds are a different breed of White Europeans, and there were indeed some Nordic lines in Rome which have largely died out. BUT LET'S NEVER CONSIDER THAT, BECAUSE NORDIC = NAZI = BAD! Sheeple refuse to understand how different ethnicities of Whites viewed each other, since in the modern day declaring anyone was any shade of White = muh evil racism. I wish people like this would wake up and grow up. If you all love history so much, then read the forbidden knowledge on WW2 and the mostest evil of muh Aryan subreeemacists evurr...

[@georgeprchal3924]

What we do know is that they exclusively spoke English with British accents.

[@Matt_Alaric]

Like all civilised people.

[@discostu2246]

And played cricket 👍

[@GreoGreo]

@@Matt_Alaric Civilized people have good teeth

[@Matt_Alaric]

@@GreoGreo Didn't Washington have wooden teeth?

[@alansmithee8831]

@georgeorchal. Aye, Claudius.

[@amaricani]

Ancient germans: The romans are Evil Ancient Romans: those german barbarians are Evil Modern people: were they the same group?

[@metatronyt]

Pretty much!

[@disconcerningcitizen2224]

Some people say the same thing about Semitic and germanic people. The theory is that they(germanic and Semitic) were both rival Aryan groups, and ww2 was just an extension of this rivalry.

[@alansmithee8831]

​@@metatronyt. No. When my uncle escaped from Italians as POW, they recaptured him. When he later got away from the Germans, he got home to UK for VE Day. Master race theory behind video disproved.

[@JohnWick_897]

​@@disconcerningcitizen2224to say Jesus was Aryan 😂🤣🤣

[@julietfischer5056]

@@disconcerningcitizen2224- British Israelite and related nonsense.

[@atti2203]

I'm Finnish. The Romans liked wine and flamboyant costumes... Clearly Italian.

[@Jon0387]

My family is originally from Norway, we never claimed descent from the Romans. My grandfather would continuously drill into us that the Vikings were our ancestors. I did find the Roman descriptions of Nordic people unable to handle heat pretty funny but very true - I don’t do well in the heat.

[@SK-ut6tw]

My family from northern Sweden get sick in the heat. All platinum to golden blondes blue/grey eyes and snow white skin.

[@PiousMoltar]

I'm British and I don't do well in the heat. Or the cold. Or even the middle. I can feel too hot and too cold numerous times in the same day. Sometimes even kind of at the same time.

[@酆景文]

Your heat might be my cold 😂😂

[@mikemaki7192]

You can get used to it, I grew up in Arizona, Swedish Norwegian and Finnish ancestors.

[@SebastianEpicurus]

Well that's rather odd, because i am Latino American. Or just American 😉 with Mexican parents. And i for one cannot stand the heat unless i practice. I can stand the cold ok. Sometimes i hop in the shower, and turn the knob all the way to the cold side. Ice cold shower helps me cool down when i am too hot. And i usually walk outside in 40°F with just shorts and a T-shirt just fine, sometimes a tank top. Then again my Grandmother did have blonde hair and green eyes. So maybe i've got some Nordic cold resistant genes 😂 i rather think myself Roman

[@martinharris5017]

Pleased to have found someone who tackles political narratives and propaganda (lies) with data, research, logic and verifiable facts and without any shouting or ranting. Very objective and calmly delivered. Brilliant work Metatron.

[@Raleyg]

Speaking as a Norwegian: No. A few Italians who happened to be blond, does not mean the entire civilization was Nordic. Those who believe that kind of nonsense tend to be fans of a certain Austrian painter. For comparison, the viking ruler Halfdan the Black had that nickname because he had black hair, which would be very unusual in Viking age Scandinavia

[@HeathenDance]

I'm Portuguese, and half of my family seems more Nordic than Hitler did lol. Not to mention Himmler and Goebbels. Among other lesser known, but still influential Nazis, like Streicher, who genuinely looked like a gipsy. Nothing against gipsies, just saying. Those dudes were serious wannabes with "I'm not Aryan enough" inferiority complexes. And when such people have power... nasty and extreme things will happen.

[@itsapittie]

Similarly, the existence of dark-haired Norwegians doesn't mean Scandinavians are actually Mediterranean. There is significant phenotypic variation within any ethnic group. Heck, people from southern India are often very dark. Does that mean they are actually African? Genetic studies say otherwise. Racial bias gives rise to some really ridiculous ideas.

[@Clay-jj9br]

My mother's family is Italian her and my 3 aunts natural blondes blue eyes but they were from northern Italy I believe they are defended from Germanic Lombard tribe.... And if I remember right I believe the Germans considered northern Italians as aryans

[@howardsternssmicrophone9332]

Wonder what the world would be like now if that certain Austrian painter you mention was accepted into Art University? Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[@HontasFarmer80]

Charlie Chaplain right?

[@thehistoricalhomesteader5415]

You are fast becoming one of my very favorite people on KZbin. Thank you for actually paying attention to real history, real facts. Keep this awesome content coming. I’ll be getting your Patreon!

[@jaewok5G]

ditto, if only for his mellifluous voice.

[@hermespino9985]

Your commitment to truth regardless of ideology and politics is always refreshing.

[@UndercoverNormie]

Sad fact. That's the way it's supposed to be.

[@arthas640]

It's kind of depressing how both sides of the political divide seem to want to rewrite history. You've got some people on the right that want to mitigate slavery and the killing of natives while elements of the left shoehorn in diversity and modern attitudes that didnt exist at the time. Both attempt to whitewash history. This recent obsession with Scandinavism kind of bugs me. On one hand you've got the romantics who attempt to portray the Vikings as honorable warriors in tune with nature who fought for glory rather than the pirates and raiders they were. On the other hand you've got the covert racists like this video's subject who've just repackaged Aryanism rather lazily.

[@aere_bruno]

​@@arthas640 My friend, that is the true point. I offer to you a personal analysis of the Scandinavist intellectual movement that you brought to discussion. I define Scandinavists as center-right wingers. I completely agree with your analysis except for this precise thesis that you sustained indirectly: Scandinavism is left sided. I really think it is not. I feel your same bug regarding it. I can't cope with young fellows trend involving vikings and glorifying them. To me, it's another face of fascism. A moderate, subtle and unperceivable right wing trend that pretends to aim for progress.

[@arthas640]

@@aere_bruno I don't think Scandinavianism is left leaning, it's got a whole political spectrum behind it with crunchy granola hippies who think of the vikings like they're druids or warrior nature spirits and you've got the far right types who are just into Aryanism.

[@LeeeeeEcM]

⁠@@aere_brunoRight wing trend??? I think you meant left wing which is a subtle fascism that pretends to aim for progress

[@Harald_Revery]

The Scandinavian version of "we wuz kangs".

[@melissapinol7279]

I try to be tolerant, but "we wuz kangs" sounds exactly like the way my racist white Southern mother used to imitate black people and laugh. Distasteful.

[@andryuu_2000]

You mean the nazi anglo/german equivalent

[@EvanHBogle]

The ancient Romans were 1/3rd Nordic, 1/3rd Sub-Saharan African and 1/3 Japanese.

[@Sirinxa]

😂

[@admirekashiri9879]

Imagine 😂😂

[@jentroytravel312]

@@OKay-ox3kh, not Cherokee, they were Apache. The Cherokee are a figment of European imagination, molded to fit the refined savage narrative. The Apache are a strong tribe who follows in the footsteps of their most famous warrior, Geronimo. That’s how the Romans became so fierce, 1/2 Apache blood.

[@TruthMatters9674]

But they were 100% Wakandan.

[@kaizokujimbei143]

1/3rd Nordic plus 1/3rd Japanese makes the Romans 2/3rd god. The 1/3rd Sub-Saharan African makes them 1/3rd mortal, I guess. So the Romans were Gilgamesh, confirmed.

[@viriathas9910]

Only the Metaron can equally wreck black supremacists and white supremacists within the same 30 day period.

[@metatronyt]

Damn right!

[@admirekashiri9879]

​@@metatronyt😂👏🏿 hence why I love this channel.

[@nunoamaro6518]

Did not wreck white supremacists cause that is impossible to do

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@metatronyt that's why you're awesome sir 😊

[@paraconsistentjojo]

This claim only depends upon the claim that civilisation = superiority. Nordic supremacists find barbarianism superior to civilisation, but have proved they are superior civilisation builders, even to Rome. Metatron’s argument rests upon a strawman of motive, which he attacks. So, he can argue about the demographics of Rome, but has not argued against any claim to supremacy at least from the White perspective.

[@lamename2010]

18:00 Speaking of names, you could have mentioned how Schwarz (Black) and Braun (Brown (also a last name found in english) etc is a last name that is found to this day within germany etc, pointing towards this being a rare trait, that would allow you to pick them out amongst the masses. Course the curly hair bit is also interesting and more contemporary.

[@aboner2551]

Those names probably derive from dirty appearances from working.

[@JurassicB99]

Eva .. braun... mmm

[@lamename2010]

​@@aboner2551 No, researchers have looked into it, it is hair. Better yet, longer variants of the Schwarz name include "Schwarzkopf" (head, but the whole thing) and "Schwarzhaupt" (head, but referring to the top). Schwarzenegger refers to a black plowman, which while not exactly clean, wouldn't explain why they used it as an adjective to differentiate Schwarzeneggers from all other plowmen. List goes on.

[@Trompicavalas]

In Spanish we have the surname "Rubio" which means "blonde" and also the surname "Moreno" which today means "black hair" but till XVII century was also used to refer to black people, even today in some Latin American countries the word "moreno" is still used to refer to an Afro-descendant.

[@lamename2010]

@@gnome-ski They were blackhaired. Ergo Schwarz.

[@zeropsaft]

Romans were Mediterranean, like how we Greeks were and are Mediterranean.

[@capeverdeanprincess4444]

Mediterranean isn’t a race. They are all genetically different.

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@capeverdeanprincess4444 He didn't say anything about race.

[@SuburbanFox]

Romans looked like Kevin McKidd and Ray Stevenson, and Julius Caesar looked like Ciaran Hinds, and I will die on that hill!

[@Kanasubigi896]

None of those guys look even a little bit Italian, and Kevin mckidd is too white

[@SuburbanFox]

@@Kanasubigi896 I know really, it's a joke, because they were in that excellent TV show by HBO.

[@Drvol1]

@@Kanasubigi896Don’t look up Italian soccer player Davide Biondini - you might get triggered.

[@dionysiussidorius4615]

It would be also very interesting if you covered myths and facts about our ancestors' (Indo-Europeans) appearance! I suppose I'm not the only one to be interested in such content! Thank you for your efforts, o Metatron!

[@themostbestwizard]

@@OKay-ox3kh look up Lola. (She had blue eyes and dark skin.)

[@Vecorix]

What specifically do you want him to "disprove" 😂

[@sturzuus]

@dionysiussidorius4615 When we speak about indo-europeans we speak about a linguistic family(spread from europe to china) not about phenotype.

[@sturzuus]

@@OKay-ox3kh No we don't talk genetics it is a linguistic and cultural phenomenon. "‘Indo-European’ is primarily a term of historical linguistics. It refers to the great family of languages that now extends across every continent and already two thousand years ago extended across the whole breadth of Europe and large tracts of central and southern Asia; or it refers to the hypothetical ancestral language from which all the recorded Indo-European languages descend... If there was an Indo-European language, it follows that there was a people who spoke it: not a people in the sense of a nation, for they may never have formed a political unity, and not a people in any racial sense, for they may have been as genetically mixed as any modern population defined by language. If our language is a descendant of theirs, that does not make them ‘our ancestors’, any more than the ancient Romans are the ancestors of the French, the Romanians, and the Brazilians. The Indo-Europeans were a people in the sense of a linguistic community. We should probably think of them as a loose network of clans and tribes, inhabiting a coherent territory of limited size." Indo-European Poetry and Myth-Introduction by M. L. West

[@Vecorix]

@sturzuus you're talking out of your ass, what else are we supposed to refer to the steppe pastoralists as, they have distinct genetics, it just happened that not everyone that speaks their languages has the same amount of ancestry from them, in the north its nearly 55%, south far less. But they were a real people, created from a mixture of Western, Caucasus, and Iran Hunter Gatherers and Ancient North Eurasians, from whom their culture mostly originated.

[@joji2937]

6:00 As a Serbian I found it funny they apparently considered Serbs "nordic", whereas their allies the Croats are conspicuously greyed out in this map. Serbs and Croats are very close genetically, and this would have been apparent even to anthropologists back in the day so I'm very curious about the source of this map

[@hernanstrausser9143]

I think it's just a rough map of german occupied europe in ww2

[@joji2937]

​@hernanstrausser9143 Could be, didn't consider that. I was under the impression that all of France was occupied at one point, but my knowledge on the topic isn't as deep as I would like. He also says "nordicism" just as the map is shown on screen so forgive my confusion if that is the case.

[@hernanstrausser9143]

@@joji2937 You are actually correct, at one point france was entirely occupied, just not at the point depicted in the map, it's a reasonable mistake though, no worries serb-bro :)

[@stanleyrogouski]

Didn't the Ustase in World War II declare that Croats were really Goths and not Slavs?

[@duckpotat9818]

It also excludes Britain, Ireland, Sweden and Iceland but includes the Northern Caucuses. Which is also weird.

[@dougkleen9917]

There were blond Romans as there were Blond Greeks but that doesnt mean they were Nordic.

[@gianlucarossi5672]

Exactly.

[@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br]

They are the exception. They are rare.

[@trolley4388]

I, as an Italian who was once in the north, can confirm that during that time I was Nordic. However, slowly moving back towards the south, my level of Nordicness gradually decreased until it completely disappeared once I returned to Italy. What a time to be Italian.

[@knotengajin7359]

Aren’t Italians about to go extinct due to low birth rates?

[@sinkhole777]

A similar thing happened to my intelligence when i moved from the Northern Territory in Australia, Down to Perth - go the sandgropers¡

[@gcanaday1]

I didn't change when I came down from the mountains. I'm still a hairy bear. I'm a little disappointed, I wanted to be a muscle-beach kind of guy.

[@CaesarWarrington]

You so corny.

[@ivanmolero7829]

Strange things happen in life. I started to watch many Italian series and moves one year ago. And recently a most remarkable thing happened, my hands started to move frenetically when I was talking. Strange thing! Actually this is true and no joke.

[@alunevans380]

Celts were not just white, blond haired, and blue eyed, many were white and had dark hair and brown eyes.

[@kellysouter4381]

And still have, but skin that burns in the sun, which is fun for an Australian Celt facing another summer!

[@fnansjy456]

Most celts would have had Brown hair ,plenty with black hair especially in Gaul and celtic iberia and galatia ,blond celts would have been an minority very small percentage in spain to decent size percentage among the Celtic Britons .

[@nunoamaro6518]

Being blonde has nothing to do to being nordic

[@ElessarFrey]

@@fnansjy456with the celts it’s difficult, because it’s a cultural civilization, not an ethnic group.

[@bouchacourtthierry8506]

French, Swiss, North Italian South German , Wallons are Celt , 90 % of British are "Britons" ... There were not Latins Settlers in Gaul, in Britania...just soldiers that came from all the Roman empire and consuls. That the genius of Roma.

[@_aullik]

But the Nordic were Barbarians and the greeks clearly called the Romans Barbarians. Thus obviously the Romans were Nordic. Checkmate Metatron /s

[@theCosmicQueen]

some of them were blond or redhead but that doesn't make them nordic. there were also blond greeks/ spartans.

[@jacquelineess1141]

100%

[@AmunRaa]

I have seen a lot of these people who claim ancient Egypt for the same reasons. I came from a rural area and we have people with red, blonde and golden hair color and colored eye and all of them from rural areas which makes them natives same as the people you are talking about natives to the Romans and this doesn't make them Europeans nor Nordic

[@midtskogen]

The Roman descriptions of barbarians were not very accurate, and they would tend to characterise different groups the same way. Celtic and Germanic tribes were described in similar fashion, but it only means that the Romans felt that they were different from themselves. Interestingly, however, there is plenty linguistic evidence that the Celts and italic peoples were pretty close, setting themselves apart from Germanic people.

[@eltecnico9541]

To understand, modern Europeans are the result of mixing three clearly differentiated genetic components, Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG), Anatolian Farmers and Steppe Western Herder (Indo-European). The Anatolians emigrated to Europe where they mixed with the WHG, giving rise to the so-called Early European Framer (EEF), later from the Pontic steppe the Indo-Europeans emigrated, Indo-European men have children with EEF women. The Nordic Phenotype arises 2000 years after the Indo-European expansion, in the Corderd Ware culture, ancestors of the Baltics and the Germanics. The Celts and the Italians are characterized by having greater DNA of Anatolian origin, the paternal lineage of the Italians came from the Russian steppe and Italian women from the Bronze Age have children. The Celts arise in Central Europe. The Nordic phenotype never existed in Italy, in fact today's Italians are whiter than their Neolithic ancestors.

[@Anonymous-ym8gr]

Nice video. The theory of Nordicism was debunked scientifically. Similarly, it would be nice to have a video debunking the idea that a sizeable proportion of Greeks was Nordic.

[@TheBusyHoneyBee]

I am shocked! Never imagined that ancient Romans looked like italians... s/

[@TheVinci19]

Romans were impressed by physicality of Gaul and German tribes, before to kill them all, so of course they were not nordic, or they wouldn't be impressed

[@hinatachibi7223]

I adore this video! As someone who wants to become a teacher (mostly for high school) I like to keep on my toes about information. So much of what I learned in school was historically inaccurate or exaggerated to a worrying degree. It wasn't until I got into college that I learned there were more to the historical events or people than the vague overviews I learned in high school or even middle school. Thank you so much for your work!❤ I do have a question about your sources; is this information freely out there or did you pay for a kind of academic periodical? When I do research papers I find it hard to find good sources not blocked by paywalls 😢😢😢

[@randomcamus9445]

The true Italians or Romans or what they were previously called were half dark with brown eyes but when a country invades and becomes powerful, enslavement begins for jobs and Also for sexual things and as you pass by people start to be mixed that's why you find dark Italians and other whites with German appearance Here it is always forgotten that everyone who invades takes people for sexual things..

[@ozark8043]

Were they related to the Nordics? Yes, but much further back, pre Proto-Germanic. Did they look like them? Some did. Most apparently didn't.

[@bluemachine1025]

Rome has no ties to barbarian lineage, don't kid yourself.

[@AliceBowie]

PIE migrations went everywhere. India, Persia, Greece, Rome, Spain, Ireland, the Norse Areas. They started migrating over 10,000 years ago.

[@MrChickennugget360]

that assumes that the Indo-Europeans were Nordic which they probably were not. "Nordic" looks probably comes from the Bell Beaker People who were non-Indo-European. What happened probably was the battle axe culture (northern branch of Indo-European peoples) conquered the Bell Beaker people (old European Nordic people) and the two groups became Proto-Germanic. Indo-European probably looked much closer to modern Iranian people.

[@ozark8043]

@@bluemachine1025 I'm not saying they're Nordic. I'm saying they're related pre Nordic and even the Etruscans the Latins combined with were closely related to them (genetically, not linguistically). And if you don't think there's any ancestral, linguistic or cultural link then you'd better do some checking on that. Latin, Celtic and Germanic languages were all from the same main Indo-European branch.

[@Ariapeithes_]

Actually @ozark8043 has a point: physical analysis of ancient Roman skulls from Britain and Corneto Tarquinia Italy dating to the Medieval period do have marked physical skeletal traits that are more northern or that are associated with the Celtic Iron Age Nordic type. Ancient Roman surnames like ‘Ahenobarbus’ meaning ‘bronze bearded’ suggest that some in the Roman population even during the Late Republic were fair haired and likely light-eyed... I have noticed certain similarities myself between the Irish and certain Roman emperors... Gerard Butler does have a somewhat slight resemblance to Octavian Augustus, and someone like U.S. president L. B. J. looks similar to Vespasian, but northern Italians, especially those from northern Italy do look a lot like the Romans too. I think the Celts made a much bigger impact on Italy than is often considered, especially considering Indo-European Celtic tribes like the Leptonii, Ligurians, Insubres, Helvetti, etc. were in Switzerland and northern Italy, particularly the Po Valley where one of the earliest Bronze Age cultures the _Terramare_ culture emerged before Rome even existed. Ancient Indo-European societies were dominated by a male-centred patriarchal elite warrior class that I believe once they had encountered the Etruscans subjugated them and they were later absorbed into the newer more dominate Indo-European population.

[@Progamermove_2003]

The largest empire in history where the sun never set was too insecure to admit that their civilizational grandfather (the Roman Empire) were not Nordic. A huge thumbs up from India.

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

England lives rent free in your head poo man

[@coala1980]

Most Romans looked like Metatron and me no offence to Nordic people but blond hair was not very common.Yes there is records of nobles and political figures with blond and even red hair but it was not as common as people think.

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

in England it is impossible to step outside without seeing 5 or 10 blondes

[@Mikeatthenet]

According to the documentary ”Life of Brian”, Brians father was a Roman Centurion by the name of Nautius Maximus. Since Brian is clearly blonde and blonde hair is generally considered a recessive gene this is a stunning evidence for the elite Romans beeing of Nordic origin… Unfortunately Biggus Dickus and his wife Incontinentia Bottocks doesn’t appear so we can’t be sure of their hair color but they surely sounds to be blonde. 😏

[@stevenwamsley2941]

very good point. what about the grandparents? Syphilus and his wife Chlamydia ?? blond or brunet.?

[@srbisunasledniciilira.alba7494]

Mather side can have influence. Mather side give you more race atributs despite you get Y- DNA from father. Example Pushkin he was R1a by father side but his Mather side two generation back was from Africa.

[@lactusgalacto1174]

@@stevenwamsley2941 😁😁😁😁😁😁😅😅😅😅😅

[@NeoZeta]

Wrong. His father was not a Roman Centurion, but a Woman Centurion.

[@Crisadder]

Biggus Dickus does appear when they would wuelease Buaian

[@madmarduk1936]

I’ve honestly never heard anyone claim that Romans were Nordic before.

[@Snoy_Fly]

I’ve heard that Indians and Egyptians were nordic😂

[@st0rmrider]

​@@Snoy_Fly Nordic gypsies maybe

[@joalvarado8506]

You must live under a rock. The last 150 years of archaeology quite literally revolved around that belief. The only reason we still argue about the race of ancient peoples is because Europeans spent the last 150 years convincing everyone that their ancestors were “white”. All of North Africa and the Middle East still refer to themselves as Caucasian even though they are genetically and and phenotypically distinct from other Caucasians.

[@darreideamos2309]

The nordic supremacy bullshit was a very common idea in the past. Today its kept alive by neonazis so its underground but I have seen it pop up a few times

[@Wilkins325]

Clearly you haven’t met any chronically online racists

[@CrypticWizard9]

Romans looked like modern Italians. Tan dark, primarily brown hair, and brown eyes. But with some blue and green eyes as well as some dirty blond and red hair.

[@carmenpozzi7357]

Marrone scuro sarai tu

[@andryuu_2000]

Metatron isn't dark tan tho

[@nodrug2]

It is so refreshing to view media with a specific plan to tell the real truth, not his truth or her truth or their truth, but the truth. Also to back it up with quotations and have a narrator with specific personal knowledge of older languages and be able to translate exactly what was written by them himself. You, The Metatron are that person, all BS is swept awy with knowledge and you are the sweeper. Kudos!

[@hernandemornay7559]

The real true sorry the real true!! Really !!?? ,because ther is coincidence with some fake papers written by the rulers?

[@aag3752]

The Levant was NOT and is NOT a region of dark skinned peoples. I'm Lebanese and am white. Many Lebanese and Syrians have light skin, and a significant minority of us have blonde hair and blue eyes.

[@stepinside6579]

I mean, a lot of native Levantine people are a light-ish brown more so than white but ye ig.

[@aag3752]

@@stepinside6579 yeah, that too. But in the northern Levant (Lebanon, Syria), lots of us are light. And even those of us that are tan have the genes for light features (so even tan skinned ones are bound to have like an uncle with blue eyes, or their child might be light skinned). So, def. not as many light skinned people as Britain or anything, but more on par with Southern Europe. But a lot of people don't know this, because they don't travel enough.

[@stepinside6579]

@@aag3752 true, I've met a few ginger Syrians too strangely enough

[@simondahlberg7394]

Hello most noble one! I haven't watched the video yet but I will shortly. But the topic made me think that it would be interesting if you'd share your thoughts and maybe debunk a new docu-drama about Sweden. "Historien om Sverige" history of Sweden is a series the Swedish broadcasting network SVT just released. In that they depict our first inhabitants as Africans and middle easterners when that is not the case. I understand that it might not be your area of expertise, but I also know you are very meticulous about your research and don't do anything half-assed. It might not be on the level of Cleopatra or Rome, but I would much love to see what you have to say about it, for no history should be rewritten without someone to defend the truth. I thank you if you see this and choose to respond, but I understand if you don't see it at all or have no time for the subject.

[@buca505]

Swedish people, also Danish, partially Norwegians, north Germans, north eastern English people are dominantly type I1 and have common ancestors with older type I2, that is dominant among former Yugoslavia people (Serb, Croats, Bosnian, Montenegro) also present among Bulgarians, Romanians, Moldavians, south and east Ukrainian. The oldest I2 type can be found on Mediterranean island Sardinia as dominant, but we can not say that they look most close to the original group I that existed, cause of small pool of genes on island, and I group that do not exist any more originally settled down in Sweden, before it evolved to I1. Now that mean that original settlers of Scandinavia more looked like Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who is born in Sweden from emigrant parents from Bosnia, and he looks like typical South Slav, don’t mix Yugoslavs in Sweden with Gypsies or Albanian, or Greek descendants who may emigrated with former Yugoslavia passports. It is not accidental that two nations that are tallest in average in Europe are Norwegians and Montenegrins. It was calculated that after only 10 generations born in certain climate, people start to evolve characteristics that are helpful to acclimate. So after 10 generations, descendants of Zlatan would be paler and probably will have lighter hair and eyes. So story that first habitants of Scandinavia look like Arabs is ridiculous and political manipulation that serves the purpose to convince Swedish people that Semitic people are no different from Swedish people, so that people can accept new emigrants waves from middle eastern countries.

[@gianlucarossi5672]

Although the Romans were not "Nordic," a minority of them possessed blond hair and blue eyes. So not all Romans had olive skin, dark hair, and eyes. Augustus Eye Color: bluish grey “glauci” (Pliny XI, 54) Hair Color: blondish “subflavum“ (Suet. Aug. 77) Skin tone: Average European Characteristics: Handsome. Bright eyes, his eyebrows met, slightly aquiline nose, small teeth, wavy hair. Calm expression. Carried himself with natural elegance. Short stature, well-proportioned body. Weak constitution, prone to illnesses. Always wore a hat. In winter, he wore several layers of clothing. Sulla Hair color: Blond/golden Eye color: Light blue Skin tone: White . His face was reddish, either because he was ruddy, because he blushed easily, or because he had a skin condition such as rosacea. Physical characteristics: Striking appearance, handsome, powerful gaze, austere countenance Nero Hair color: Blondish Eye color: Light blue Characteristics: Agreeable face, dull eyes, freckly or bad skin, longish hair. Thick neck, prominent belly, slender legs. Short stature, sound constitution. Careless about his dress, appeared in public frequently without shoes. Lucius Verus Hair color: Blond Characteristics: Genial expression, long beard. Tall, well-proportioned, stately. Vigorous, liked sports. Pleasure-loving, spend-drift, no interest in military pursuits or government (fortunately, he had a co-ruler; while Lucius partied, Marcus Aurelius governed). Commodus Hair color: Naturally blond. He may have sprinkled his hair with gold dust to make it look more radiant. Characteristics: Good-looking face, dull expression. Well-proportioned, strong, athletic body. He may have had a growth in a groin, perhaps a hernia. Liked to dress as Hercules, Mercury, or as a woman. During a period, he shaved his head for religious reasons. Liked to fight in the arena as a gladiator. Unbecoming behavior. Cruel, drunkard. An incapable ruler.

[@TreeCamper]

I heard if you have +50% cold resistance, you might be a Nord.

[@NordicWiseguy]

Calling ancient romans nordic is the stupidest thing ever. They were mediterranean and didn't look much different from modern day italians and people around that region.

[@iberius9937]

Blondism and fair eyes/skin are not original to Scandinavia. These traits were found all over the Ancient Mediterranean right alongside more olive-skinned or brunette types, the latter of course being more common. There is still blondism and rosy skin pigmentation to this day from Iberia to Lebanon to Iran. There are still some blonde or redheaded Italians, not necessarily due to "Germanic" admixture.

[@user-yt3xd2jl6d]

The first person with blonde hair alive 16,000 years ago is called Anfotova Gora 3 and was a carrier of the blonde hair allele rs12821256. She lived in southern Central Siberia and belonged to the Q2 lineage of the Ancient Northern Eurasian population. The Eastern Hunter-gatherers distributed the rs12821256 allele in Europe, during the Mesolithic, the Finn-Ugric peoples such as the Sami, the Karelians, the Komi, are the closest living humans to EHG and Gora 3, their phenotype is blonde and graceful, the opposite of the Nordic robust phenotype

[@iberius9937]

​@@user-yt3xd2jl6dVery interesting.

[@ElessarFrey]

Americans don’t tend to understand what “olive skin” even means, and it doesn’t matter, because most Mediterraneans are light/fair skinned, not pinkish like Northern Europeans yes, but promoting a Hollywood stereotype based on SOME Sicilian immigrants in America is moronic in any form

[@richardaubrecht2822]

Heh. One of my favorite fantasy authors has a series where the main character is a Roman general who was made fun of many times during his life because he has blonde hair (he was from the north of Italy and most likely had some Celtic blood in him). One of the reasons i never expected the Romans to be "Nordic". But Harry Turdledove is a Byzantinian scholar, so he know his Roman shit.

[@mconfalonieri]

Ah, I loved the Lost Legion saga!

[@torg2126]

​@@mconfalonieri same

[@countOfHenneberg]

I read that series; wasn't till I read some Byzantine history that I realised, "Hey, that's where he got the story from."

[@happyslapsgiving5421]

The same thing happened to "Lucius Vorenus" in NBC's Rome.

[@Anesthesia069]

Reminds me of Rome when Vorenus is making a speech and someone in the forum says something like "Shove off, ginger!" and he replies "I do not deny I may have a Gallic look about me, but I am a true Roman!"

[@thejackal5099]

Imagine confusing Nords with those Imperial milk-drinkers.

[@dank_stogie_yooooo]

By Thalos!

[@joao.fenix1473]

The EMPIRE is the only way to take down the THALMOR!

[@charlotteillustration5778]

I love it when you demolish a spurious argument with clear logic, incontestable written and visual evidence and a scholarly but engaging explanation. Carry on please!

[@aag3752]

But he made one mistake: The Levant was NOT and is NOT a region of dark skinned peoples. I'm Lebanese and am white. Many Lebanese and Syrians have light skin, and a significant minority of us have blonde hair and blue eyes.

[@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br]

​@@aag3752 Most Syrians and most Levant peoples look like Mediterraneans. You do not notice them because Mediterraneans and Middle Easterners look exactly the same. The Germanic looking ones are rare and you notice them because Germanic peoples look different from Middle Easterners. They stand out.

[@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br]

​@@aag3752 You are not Middle Eastern. Middle Easterners are too proud to be Muslim Middle Easterners and hate Europeans to ever identify with the West.

[@aag3752]

@@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br What do you think Mediterranean people look like?

[@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br]

@aag3752 Like Arab Middle Easterners except that they're actually not Middle Easterners.

[@josephnardone1250]

Once again, Metatron, you've introduced me to something I've never heard of before. I never knew that there was the idea of Nordicism let alone that the Romans were suppose to be Nordic. Great video. I think that we shouldn't forget that people have come-up with harebrained ideas throughout history and that this is another one. I've read histories and studies of the Nordic and Scandinavian peoples but I never encountered this idea before.

[@marquisejoubert6129]

Yeah it’s one of the theories used to rationalize nazism

[@InfernosReaper]

That's some crap that was really big among the nazis, when they weren't trying to hijack the real aryan identity

[@Eisenkieffer]

You’ve never in your studies of Scandinavia, Norway heard mention of the “Nordic” myths? But you’ve never heard of Nordicism. Hmmm.

[@jamescorvus6709]

@@marquisejoubert6129 its before nazism. nazism is birthed from these ideas

[@Epsilonsama]

It's the same idea that only Northern Europeans are White and someone from Italy or Spain are swarthy.

[@chicca9097]

Loved it! As I am also half Greek I’d love a video like this about the Greeks

[@black-hand]

With Greek it’s clear. There are ancient samples that demonstrate that Ancient Greeks had no north European admixture, while modern ones do have a little and its circumstantial. The genetic continuity of Greeks is one of the strongest according to the tested samples.

[@imacolonelinbf2975]

moor

[@pistoneteo]

Were the ancient romans alien?

[@vitoravila9908]

Weirdly enough, the “Ancient Arians” theory, another name for nordism, has morphed into the amazing “Ancient Aliens” theory during the post war year…those Austrian painting enthusiasts had to find a job, after all

[@דניאלל-ח5ד]

@@vitoravila9908Annunaki gods were blonde and blue eyed. lol

[@eevoanathema6425]

Netflix: “don’t listen to what they tell you in school. Ancient Romans were Nordic!” 😂😂😂

[@metatronyt]

Granma is always the key

[@eirikarnesen9691]

why is everyone saying "nordic" here? its called indo european. a larger genetic and cultural group. if your society produces blonds, you are part of that group. its not really a united people. both greece and rome are part of the indo european peoples. well, was. nordic implies viking. it implies the ruling class in rome was german.

[@eirikarnesen9691]

@@Hermaeusmora5042 thats why im saying nordics is wrong, and not what the theory acually is. its called indo eurpean, in the modern world. and both rome and greece where indo european. if the groupe has blonds, its indo european, or aryan as it used to be called

[@eirikarnesen9691]

@@Hermaeusmora5042 this whole video was about refuting that. Noone talk about Rome being culturally Viking. That's again why I said using the word nordic is wrong. Noone ever does that, except metetron apparently.

[@דניאלל-ח5ד]

@@eirikarnesen9691 Stop we wuzzing. No such thing as Indo-European race. Yamnaya had dark hair and eyes.

[@carboneagle]

So the metatron is Italian, who are descendants of the romans, who were Nordic, who in turn were African. So logically he should have a similar skin color to the African queen Cleopatra.

[@histatimaniples]

Roman’s were indo European. Branched out and carry y haplogroup R1B U152

[@Drvol1]

Romans and Italians simply have diverse phenotypes. In Italy it is not uncommon for one brother to have black hair and another to be blonde. Julius Caesar had dark hair and eyes but his nephew had light hair and eyes. This is also true of a lot of European Countries. Is David Beckham any less British than Rowan Atkinson? People like to reframe history to suit their own agenda. Nothing new.

[@sterlingwilkes3240]

Understandable. Im mostly of german scottish heritage with black hair, my wife is swedish with strawberry blond hair. My son has reddish brown and my daughter has almost white blond hair. But we all have blue eyes.

[@דניאלל-ח5ד]

It's not only hair color It's also about facial features.

[@rationalcynic8416]

For real. My dad and his dad's side of the family look Italian, like 'The Godfather' levels of Italian. They have tan skin, very dark brown and/or black hair, and the stereotypical Italian looking nose and face structure. He is dark enough, especially in the summer, that he has been mistaken as a Mexican. But he and the rest of his family are not Italian at all. They are German, French, and English, with some Swiss and Norwegian ancestry. My mother and the vast majority of her family have either very dark brown hair or medium reddish-brown hair and dark brown eyes. But my sister and I were born with light eyes, super pale skin, and blonde hair, especially me. I'm pretty sure I'm the palest on both sides of the family, I have slightly reddish, ashy blonde hair and grey eyes. Genetics are weird, and scientists haven't even begun to scratch the surface on how genetic traits are inherited. The only traits I have that connect me to my parents are my mom's curls, the slight reddish tint in my hair, and my dad's deep set eye sockets.

[@spiritusIRATUS]

It's not just about hair colour, Rowan Atkinson looks very stereotypically British, much like David Beckham, Prince Harry and all the rest, or at least, Nordic if you prefer as all Northerners look alike.

[@cringothebot276]

I have an interesting theory about the Nordicism theory. It is that at the turn of the century you had many "Germanic" empires. The British, the very quickly rising Germans, as well as the expansive and growing American Republic. At this time as well the Russians were facing growing instability and the Chinese were, at this point, unable to stem the tide of European powers in Asia. So they, with only their current world as a reference, had come to the conclusion that only "Nordic" peoples could have built stable empires. Even with all evidence pointing to it being a silly concept I think it is an interesting theory when put into the fairly chaotic timeframe it was created in.

[@franciscoborquezk.155]

Nowadays they just blame the ancient astronauts

[@FSboy70]

I don't see no difference between these theorists of the past with the plethora of internet theorists in the present. Most people never even heard of them or their theories.

[@duckpotat9818]

​@@FSboy70 Nordicism had a very direct impact on Germa (inc Austria and former Prussia) nationalism and ultimately led to the rise of the Nordic supremacist National Socialists in the 1930s in Germany.

[@jmgonzales7701]

Well tbh nowadays the countris that seem to be stable tends to be nordics or germanic descent while the meditternean europe has not recovered ever since.

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@gnome-skiyes but the brits themselves were germanic, at least some parts of the English

[@keyem4504]

My grandma told me that the Romans didn't drink wine. In fact they drank only beer, and especially the variant from the Cologne area in Germany. Kölsch. And that's the only truth!

[@captainstanhope4193]

I don't care what anyone says. My Gunther told me the Romans were Swedish. #gayforGunther

[@Octavivs]

Nordicism x Afrocentrism, who has the worst inferiority compex

[@Србомбоница86]

Nordicism is older but afrocentrics are more extreme today

[@nhansen197]

This is the first I've heard of this... and I'm like, ya, and the Japanese are the lost tribe of Israel. ;)

[@darthcalanil5333]

*looks at a map of italy* *looks at a map of Scandinavia* *facepalm very strongly*

[@favero4446]

Romans were not Nordic, but their ancestors were... I mean, if you consider Corded Ware and Bell Beakers as "Nordic peoples". And also, if you consider that the first Italics that got into Alba Longa were of the R1b U152 subclade.

[@X28X282X]

tldr we are all nords.

[@favero4446]

@@X28X282X Yes, we were all Corded Wared...

[@CaesarWarrington]

@favero4446 Exactly. I don't understand why it is so hard for some of the people here to understand this.

[@favero4446]

It is because they have no idea what Corded Ware is... @@CaesarWarrington

[@blessed7614]

​@@X28X282Xso also italians people are nordid? Cause the haplogroup of italic people ( R1B - U152) had peaks of more 60% in central and northen italy. Bell beaker was not nordid, the most common phenotype among early romans was DINARID And ALPINE, often with CM admixture.... look at ancient romans statues, they all look dinarid and Alpine

[@unarealtaragionevole]

Wait a minute....are you saying that Ulfric Stormcloak lied to me when he said that the Imperium wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Nords? He said we are all the descendants of the Nords, and we need to remember and pay tribute to our past. ;o)

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

Considering the Empire wouldn't even exist without Talos, who was one third Ysmir, Ulfric didn't lie. Also, the Ancient Nordic Tongues made it possible for the world itself to exist by banishing Alduin. And, of course, there's Ysgramor gaining a foothold for humanity in the continent... Let's say the contributions of the Nords and their Atmoran ancestors are fairly important.

[@unarealtaragionevole]

@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 😂 Missed the point of the joke. But in reality, the point I was making is that things like "Skyrim" are just another example of the many attempts for the last 1500 years by Northern European influences trying to either straight up claim Roman glory, try to revision history to their fancy, or somehow interject themselves into Roman history in an effort to claim a prevalence. It's nothing new.

[@todobienrico]

@@unarealtaragionevole exactly. the elder scrolls is made by your typical anglosaxon wasp with serious inferiority complex about roman empire, ancient greek, spartans, alexander the great, troy, even mesopotamia they claim they were anglos or nordics or some shit.

[@TheCatholicNerd]

I normally don't comment before I watch a video, but I'm guessing the answer to this is going to be a resounding no.

[@rolandtitrentaquattro3109]

If all the italian people called "rossi" have actually red hair Italy would have more ginger than Ireland.

[@mnk9073]

This is a question only those weird anglos with marble statue profile pictures who spell Europa with a V ask themselves. 😂 To quote an Austrian painter: "I wish he (the bavarian agrarian with an occult fetish) would stop digging up the past because he only finds the pittyful rotten remains of pathetic wooden hamlets and primitive tools while our allies boast of magnificen marble monuments."

[@Raz.C]

It's rather funny: When Raphael quite rightly pointed out that Egyptians (ancient and otherwise) aren't and weren't *Black,* the brainless internet hosts called him a white supremacist, called him racist, etc... Now that he's pointing out that Romans weren't "White" I wonder if he'll get people calling him a black supremacist...

[@gabork5055]

That just makes him a Black and White supremacist. No better yet, a Grey supremacist. 👽

[@ElessarFrey]

Mediterraneans are european for God’s sake, what’s with Americans trying to represent Southern Europe as a swarthy location?

[@Raz.C]

@@ElessarFrey Most Greeks/ Lebs/ Egyptians/ Southern Italians, etc, like myself, will generally have olive skin, rather than fair/ dark skin. It's a far sight from swarthy.

[@ElessarFrey]

@@Raz.C Lebanese and Egyptians do, but southern Italians are not that dark, that’s just a Hollywood stereotype. You just have to visit Sicily to see that.

[@Raz.C]

@@ElessarFrey I wouldn't say that ALL southern Italians have olive skin, but rather, to find a person with olive skin in Italy, you'll find more of them in the south, than in the north. I've only ever travelled to Northern Italy (Milano). There were some with olive skin there, though it was the exception, rather than the rule. Very different to my travels through North Africa, Greece and the middle east.

[@ferociousgustafson4040]

Is it weird that the people who insist some genetics are superior always see that superiority in the genetics they already possess? It’s never “Ainu bloodlines are the best, wish I had some of that.”

[@disconcerningcitizen2224]

It's why I can never take these people seriously. The "master race" has x,y and z arbitrary features. *person has x,y and z features*

[@ViriatoII]

There are whites who claim black or native American DNA is better

[@applebees563]

Except for Hitler surprisingly, since he had dark hair and supposedly dark eyes lmao. Bro hated himself

[@disconcerningcitizen2224]

@applebees563 having dark hair and eyes didn't prevent you from being in the Aryan race. You just weren't as pure compared to blonde blue eyed folks

[@TruthMatters9674]

@@applebees563 Hitler had dark hair, but dark blue eyes.

[@rc8937]

My understanding is that over time, after Caesar's conquest of Gaul, the legions in the north became increasingly Germanic looking, since it became harder to find recruits from the core provinces.

[@dasselbe2521]

They wouldn't be Germanic looking though?

[@dasselbe2521]

Unless you are talking about far north

[@user-wy1yb7zj1j]

They were Germanic, especially after Constantine started to be open to Germanic recruits

[@floridaman318]

Well eventually Germanic tribes would be integrated into the Roman military so...

[@ysteinberg5084]

Though I probably should agree to the Nordic superiority stuff 😅, ethnicity is not as straight forward as people seems to think. My ancestors were all Norwegians, with records back to early Viking age. Everyone in my family has hair that is brown/dark blonde with a tint of red. We’re born with black hair, it becomes white/yellow before puberty, then it starts to darken.. At 45, my hair is now dark brown. A few years ago someone did DNA analysis of bones from several Viking graves and what they found was a very ethnically diverse group. My ancestors had DNA from all over Europe and Asia. If someone lives here in the north where their skin barely experience sunshine since our summers are short and cold, they will turn white. My Vietnamese wife has already become quite white and she’s only been here for 5 years. Our son looks pure Nordic, with brown hair that is getting more light colored. White skin is simply skin that is trying to compensate for the lack of sunlight, so it can produce more d-vitamins. If we stopped all immigration now, everyone up here would be similarly white within a few centuries, even if they were pure black when they came here.

[@11regnartseht]

Do people really think Romans were nordic? What? The idea of racial superiority is just so supremely stupid.

[@CatotheE]

I rarely see this one challenged. It's the other side of afrocentrism. Lol.

[@Србомбоница86]

Yup and much older than afrocentrism 😂

[@jp5696]

Of course not norids hate the imperials

[@PassionateSpirit88]

Hello my Italian and Greek brothers and sisters.

[@gundisaluusmenendiz]

Eurocentrism is a good as Afrocentrism, Nordic and B Africans fought the Mediterranean basin than all ran to where we find them today and left us here, lol

[@mikei7498]

They were southern European and were genetically very far apart from Scandinavian cluster

[@개고기수프]

Interesting, this is also the case in East Asia. Mainly Koreans and Mongolians. Some of them believe that the North Mongoloid went south to establish Chinese civilization and created Chinese culture. Obviously this is wrong.Koreans are just East Asians mixed with some North Asian genes.According to archaeological research, no Y chromosome similar to the Mongols' has been found in Chinese prehistoric sites. Compared with the North Asian Mongoloid, the ancient Chinese had slender tall figures, lower and flatter cheekbones.This is very different from the North Mongoloid, just like the difference between southern Europeans and northern Europeans. It's really funny how barbarians wish they were the creators of civilization.😅🤣

[@דניאלל-ח5ד]

Nordicists also claim ancient egypt.

[@sabishiihito]

I'm a Black American trying to figure out why I have the same male pattern baldness as a lot of the Roman Emperors 🤣😂🥺😢😭

[@metatronyt]

Ahah that’s funny

[@teresamerkel7161]

Metatron with his sword of logic and truth backed by correctly contextualized primary sources. "Checkmate." Love those 72 wings.

[@randomcamus9445]

The true Italians or Romans or what they were previously called were half dark with brown eyes but when a country invades and becomes powerful, enslavement begins for jobs and Also for sexual things and as you pass by people start to be mixed that's why you find dark Italians and other whites with German appearance Here it is always forgotten that everyone who invades takes people for sexual things....

[@QalOrt]

Fun Fact the Ruling Viking Elite were Italian.

[@markcreemore4915]

The Celtic presence in ancient Italy should surprise no one, as the entire Po Valley to the Alps and beyond was Celtic. Rome's greatest lyric poet, Catullus, came from the Lake Garda region, and was likely mostly Celtic.

[@tommymecousinlostmecar4165]

Celts and romans did intermix a lot, at least in Northern Italy. Probably why blonde hair is more common in Northern Italy than in the south.

[@elliskaranikolaou2550]

@@tommymecousinlostmecar4165 I wouldn't say it's common, rather just more prevalent than in the South of Italy.

[@a.nonimus6705]

Whoa whoa whoa... greatest poet? Who said? I think Horace and Lucretius might say otherwise.

[@KroM234]

@@tommymecousinlostmecar4165 Let's not forget that the Lombards settled this region, which is the cherry on top.

[@alessandrom7181]

Too bad that "Celtic" is just a cultural term not of a single people all over Europe and incudes even a lot of people from Italy who were "celtized" later like Ligures probably. Also Romans and Cisalpine Celts ( and Etruscans ) were basically the same people genetically. There haven't been a big change in North Italian genetic pre and after Romans. Also who said that Catullus was "Celtic" because he came from Garda ? LOL Etruscans were heavily present in Padanian Valley . Duh.

[@sagittariusa7662]

They looked like Metatron. I mean you could take Metatron without his beard and with short hair and he'll probably look exactly or very close to the busts of certain Roman historical figures. I mean already looks a lot like Hadrian as it is. Do know that is defined as white by people in the meditarranean. Do know White just means pure, it doesn't really refer to color just the purity of what is accepted as the norm. Nordic people were called Blonde People, not White People until they started to use it for themselves.

[@Λυκάων]

it's fairly possible for some Romans to have Nordic influence since Italics share common ancestry with the Celts.

[@tommymecousinlostmecar4165]

It is possible that celts left some considerable influence on romans, after all they were integrated after a while.

[@phil5365]

Latin is classed as Italo-Celtic in the IE language family that spread across Europe so all these peoples shared some common ancestry with the Latins and celts separating in central Europe.

[@JohnWick_897]

No, racial superiority people have been considering Celts and their Celtic culture as not Nordic or not Germanic 😂. (e.g. the Irish were looked down and considered of inferior race, the race of Celts).

[@Cormarenc]

The Celts weren't nordic

[@Λυκάων]

@@Cormarenc Some of them were, the Helvetti samples archeologists found score genetically very close to modern day Denmark and north Europe overall. Celts from Iberia and the Balkans were probably more Med looking due to mixing with the locals.

[@advanzeelive]

As a Swede with mixed nordic heritage I love how you challenge all these basically "we wuz kangz" ideas that are out there, I've seen butthurt people on twi-x whining at you, I feel like you and Shad has been the most genuinely likeable people that are based in truth, in what I consider the "swords n stuff" people on youtube.

[@andryuu_2000]

Shad is a nazi tho

[@JohannRosario1]

Hollywood always portrays Romans as pale British Saxons from the Baltic and North Sea, instead of the tan brown-eyes Mediterraneans which is what they were genetically.

[@bunglesmcphee]

Please tell me that you know that blonde, blue-grey-or-green-eyed, *real Mediterranean ITALIANS* actually do exist.... 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Ajemone]

Non siamo dei fottu*ti cloni ok? È lo stesso come se in Scandinavia fossero tutti dei cloni con le stesse identiche caratteristiche. E prima che tu risponda si esistono persone con i capelli marroni in Scandinavia e non sono poche soprattutto marroni chiari lol

[@invoker7826]

They are minority and they likely descend from Celts and Germans, not the original Italians ​@@bunglesmcphee

[@Ajemone]

@@invoker7826 Solo Celti non tedeschi loro sono sempre irrevelanti nella genetica Italiana e solo nel Nord Est c’è una minore ascendenza Germanica ma per il resto è altalenante minore

[@Ajemone]

Il 50% dell Italia ha l’aplogruppo R1b discendenti dai Bell Beakers Italo-Celtic Indoeuropei, è da loro che derivano la maggior parte dei tratti chiari che abbiamo ancora anche dopo tutte le invasioni e migrazioni che sono state molto irrivelanti in termini di quantità di impatto genetico, erano sempre troppo pochi in confronto alla popolazione originale e l’unico impatto genetico che cambiò la genetica avvenne nel età del bronzo nel 1200 b.c da parte appunto delle invasioni/migrazioni da parte dei Italo-Celtici Portatori dell’ aplogruppo R1b U-152 (quello dominante al giorno d’oggi in Italia) mischiandosi con i discendenti degli Early Anatolian Farmers (Anatolian Neolitchs + Western Hunther Gathers (Minor)) i TIRRENICI gli antenati degli: Etruschi,Raeti e Lemni. E comunque gli Indoeuropei non avevano tratti chiari prima di mischiarsi con i Funnel Bakers Culture e avevano maggiormente capelli castani e occhi castani.

[@Joao-ur7ey]

Romans aren't the only class of civilization I saw been proclaimed to being nordic by some people, but old greeks and spartans too.

[@eirikarnesen9691]

they where though? its just not supposed to say nordic. its indo european. this is not conspiracy theory, its genetics. this was established fact not long ago, but i guess everyone has gone full retard

[@jacquelineess1141]

Murican blacks claim that too. It's embarrassing when people hate themselves so much that they feel they have to steal other peoples' achievements and contributions to the world.

[@invoker7826]

Now do a video about how Ancient Egyptians were not Nordic. Same type of people also believe ancient Egyptians were white and blonde, or atleast their rulers were.

[@pr0f3ssionalr0ast3r]

no one ever claimed that, but theyre not even black

[@TotalCommieJewDeathEnjoyer]

They were celtic tho.... it has been genetically proven

[@DoubleDragon-ks2hk]

I don't care what they taught you in school my grandma told me Cleopatra was an English woman

[@Arminius420]

If they were Nordic they wouldn't be so critical about Germanic people.

[@bunglesmcphee]

As a born and bred Scandinavian with Scandinavian genes going back (in the area) for possibly thousands of years - this had me LOL. Wtaf - Romans were Romans/Italians, vaffanculo! There are plenty of Italian-type blonde, green or blue-eyed people.

[@konstantinosdragasespalaio4178]

Irrelevant

[@Ajemone]

Infatti soprattutto nel nord Italia abbiamo tratti più chiari ad esempio ho la pelle molto chiara e occhi grigi/blu

[@iberius9937]

The mistaken idea of Nordicism still does not rule out fair types AND brunette types co-existing in Ancient Italy. I recall a wall painting portraying a Sabine or some other Indo-European Italic as blonde and sunburnt.

[@BluegrassKnight]

While I totally agree with your arguments, I would just like to add that while I know that certain phenotypes were more prevalent in certain areas of Europe back then. I would like to point out that we been trading people back and forth around Europe since at least the bronze age, probably before. So, while darker hair with tan skin maybe a southern European trait and lighter skin with blonde or red hair a northern one, you could find both in either place. Phenotypes are just products of isolation, adaptation, selection, diet and time, so what I'm trying to say is that we are all still European and Human! So, like Metatron tries to say, can't we all just get along and stop counting our differences, instead focus on what we have in common, while also learning to accept facts!

[@roh-mj6em]

Yes we are human. But there is no European concept before 17th century. You can't apply those things to ancient Greeks and Romans, for them cletics, germanic, iderian, balkan, Baltic, Nordic and slavic tribes are different and uncivilized savages. By this modern European concept you can't steal Greek and Roman history as yours. You should be proud about your Nordic tribes.

[@BluegrassKnight]

I was merely speaking to blood ancestry and to add to what you are saying, all of these groups are made up. While certain characteristics are more prevalent in certain parts of Europe, all types can be found in where in Europe, like a redhead in Italy or brown eyes in Norway. These features do not directly determine what group you belong to, it can only help narrow down where they maybe from. All Caucasians belong to the same group of humans the migrated to Europe back before the last ice age, so all have a common ancestry. For clarity I'm of Anglo-German Heritage with a dash of native American and I'm proud of all parts of my heritage. So, while I don't condone misappropriating other's culture, I feel anyone no matter their heritage, can use and appreciate other people's culture in a respectful way.@@roh-mj6em

[@nenirouvelliv]

Although there wasn't really ever such a divide that Northern Europe was all blonde and Southern Europe all dark and they eventually mixed. The whole spectrum existed in Europe since the Neolithic at least and became more and more blonde in the north during the Bronze Age onwards, as Indo-Europeans turned to farming. And diseases became more in common as population increased, which put additional evolutionary presssure to obtain more vitamin D thus driving the population towards depigmentation. This evolutionary pressure was lesser of course in the Mediterranean, but sharing similar ancestral components with the rest of the Europe they obviously shared similar phenotypes with the North. Italy probably was probably at it's blondest after the Germanic invasions, especially during the Middle Ages when it was more northern-shifted than today or the Roman ages.

[@BluegrassKnight]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was trying to say just in a more condensed form, thanks for adding! @@nenirouvelliv

[@arthas640]

I've always been interested in that. We tend to think of Greeks as olive skinned and dark haired but back in the day red and blonde hair wasnt unusual. Go to Afghanistan and Iran and while rare you'll find the occasional blonde or red head, and blue and green eyes arent unheard of.