Were The Ancient Romans Nordic? The Truth

[@metatronyt]

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[@skibidi.G]

Tsk tsk Metatron, you're a Swedish transplant... You just didn't know about it yet. Let's ask Günther.

[@azurebadger]

I have a critique regarding your definitions and contextual substantiation used for your approach to the subject. You limited the frame of reference to the roman society as it was during the time of its empire, not the origins of its people. You need to go much further back in time to find the origins of both greek and roman people. What the claim about nordic ancestry asserted, as in the definition developed during the 19th century you used, had a different assertion in that the mediteranian greeks and romans shared more ancient common roots. That was what you were supposed to critique. Not the descriptions the romans used to distinguish themselves in their chronicles. You yourself bear the resemblance of a yamnaya tribesman as we now generally think them to have appeared. Much diminished in stature of course. No offense. This was a common ancestor. One all europeans share in some part. The early migrations were complex and i assert that your focus of study on rome belies your lack of study of more ancient things. Your definitions were presuming something that produced useless results and muddied the waters on the subject entirely. What i took from this gladly were all the tid bits of info. Much appreciated. But be careful how you construct the framework of your arguments. The conclusions you draw from such things can be lightly discarded. And i think you’re better than that

[@BiggusD77]

But Nordicism is over a 100 years old, and pretty much extinct by now. Who still believes and promotes such obvious pseudoscience these days?

[@ezrafaulk3076]

I'm honestly surprised this's even believed *at all* ; I always just understood the Romans to be of the *Mediterranean* phenotype whatever it's officially called, since the Mediterranean region is where the Italian peninsula is. Maybe the *Germanic* tribes they conquered belonged to the Nordic phenotype, but I *doubt* the Romans would've wanted to mix *their* blood with that of the "barbarians"; and thus think they would've stuck with just their *own* , or people of the same phenotype like the *Greeks* . I say all this as someone who has a strong *English* presence in my blood, and thus, I'm probably of the Nordic phenotype myself because the English often intermingled with the Norsemen and were *already* of the same phenotype beforehand. I don't have blue eyes or blonde hair (I wish I did), but that's probably because of the fact that I also have strong *Chaktaw* (probably misspelled it) native American presence in my blood too.

[@PerdiccasMKD]

You forgot to debunk the whole "Nordic elites ruled over Rome" by mentioning all the non Roman Emperors such as Constantine the Great who was born in Moesia and that he was of illiro-Thracian Balkanic origin. Septimius Severus who was born in Leptis Magna Libya and who was of Italic-Punic origin. Caracalla who was of semetic origin (Punic/Carthaginian-Arab) Justinian(Eastern Roman emperor) who was born in Tauresium present day near the city of Skopje Macedonia etc.

[@Señor-Donjusticia]

I can confirm based on what my grandma told me that the Ancient Romans were actually Korean and I don’t care what any other historian or anthropologist says!

[@Matlalcueitl]

I see what you did there…

[@frisianmouve]

The nephew of my great aunt on my fathers side told me that they were definitely aboriginals though

[@the_demiurg]

After all, the Kingdom of Silla was a real political entity in ancient Korea. Coincidence? I think not!

[@MustardSkaven]

Don't listen to what anyone tells you. Ancient Romans were Korean!

[@antoniobautista6718]

People think that the Indo-Europeans were from the steppe, but they're actually remnants from the Finno-Korean Hyperwar!!!!!!!

[@reaperanon979]

Yes. They were pure-blooded hyperboreans who arrived in spaceships around the time the Finno-Korean Hyperwar happened, which set us back technologically ~50000 years.

[@julietfischer5056]

@@Qqq-fp3uk- You missed the joke. Well, I hope it was a joke.

[@jumantewashington8715]

The Hyperborean (Siberian) origin of the Aryans, and therefore the Romans, has been proven by genetics. The Eastern Hunter Gatherers migrated to the Russian Steppe, bringing with them the genes for blue eyes and blonde hair. They mixed with people from the Caucus mountains and became the Aryans.

[@reaperanon979]

@@julietfischer5056 We don't joke about the Finno-Korean hyperwar here. lmao

[@pridefulobserver3807]

damn, must be 2 years since last time i heard about the hyperboreans and the finno-korean HYPERWAR in 55000 B.C. (aprox im not an expert on that schorlarly subject)

[@Twiztactix]

Me when I cope

[@faryafaraji]

Possibly the best representation of this is in HBO’s Rome: a commoner insults blonde haired Vorenus by telling him to “get back to Gaul, ginger knob.” He retorts by admitting he does have a Gallic air about him, but he is a true Roman nonetheless. It’s a simple kind of nuance extremists can’t catch: there were blondes in Italy, there always have been, just statistically less than Northern Europe, hence why blonde hair will always have a Northern association in those lands despite certainly being present there.

[@andreascovano7742]

Hey farya! Any hints on next song?

[@bluebird3281]

HBO Rome was a great show, RIP Rat Stevens. The Cisalpine Gauls were definitely a thing.

[@admirekashiri9879]

I wish I watched this show when it came out. Is it still worth checking out?

[@bluebird3281]

@@admirekashiri9879Absolutely worth checking out. Head and shoulders above the tripe out nowadays

[@philippmetzger1126]

The nomen gentile "FLAVIVS" show us, that a blond roman must ave existed, but it was exraordinary enough so he was named after this.

[@just9911]

My Italian grandmother always said “I don’t care what they tell you in school, ancient Romans were actually time travelers from New Jersey”

[@bosertheropode5443]

That explains all the degeneracy.

[@Tybold63]

😆

[@brunomerinocanales3433]

I always knew the consul Antonius Sapranius looked familiar

[@hannibalburgers477]

Ayy!

[@Vanity0666]

They fell through a portal in judea to real life new york city

[@MrMetonicus]

I remember my grandmother telling me, "I don't care what they tell you in school. The Romans were Nordic (and Black)."

[@joelkurowski7129]

Well done, you got a hearty chuckle from me.

[@jimmyalfonda3536]

What??

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

Split right down the middle, just like those black and white/white and black aliens on Star Trek!

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@Oliverk229 AND SHE WAS JEWISH AND DYSLEXIC TOO!

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

Black Nords. Great name for a Zulu Viking metal band 🤘

[@JaelaOrdo]

One thing I always find funny about the whole “was x group actually y group” thing is that certain groups of people may do it more than others in the modern day but it’s something people have been doing for thousands of years. The more things change the more they stay the same.

[@careyfreeman5056]

Can you provide some examples, because this feels like a modern racial theory thing. I took over 12 hours of Roman History in college from a very well renowned professor and questions like this never entered into the discussion. I'm sure the Romans - like most every culture in Europe - are descended from Indo Europeans. So, I guess they were distantly related to the Nordic cultures.

[@Socraticstatic44]

This is what I love about anthropology. Read Anna Karenina or the Moon in Six Pence...the human emotion and condition remains at it has from Socrates to Schoepenhauer. Humans are consistently repeating their primate mistakes. Excellent post 😊

[@HeathenDance]

Human beings are a social and tribal species. It's in their DNA. Intelligent people are able to snap out of it. But most people aren't that smart, no.

[@lars9925]

​@@careyfreeman5056 The Romans themselves claimed to be Trojans.

[@Rudol_Zeppili]

⁠​⁠@@careyfreeman5056they’re related to Nordic cultures in the sense that both of them have influx of Pontic caspian steppe and early European farmer ancestry but they’re not the same population nor do they have the same exact features, but their languages and aspects of culture* are related through the steppe herder (Indo-European) ancestry which brought those languages to the rest of Europe and to South Asia. Not entirely contesting your comment, just adding more accuracy to it. (*The Romans have cultural influence from Greek and near eastern cultures, which means despite the relation to the Pontic Caspian steppe herders, their culture wasn’t just sourced from them.)

[@martinharris5017]

Pleased to have found someone who tackles political narratives and propaganda (lies) with data, research, logic and verifiable facts and without any shouting or ranting. Very objective and calmly delivered. Brilliant work Metatron.

[@trolley4388]

I, as an Italian who was once in the north, can confirm that during that time I was Nordic. However, slowly moving back towards the south, my level of Nordicness gradually decreased until it completely disappeared once I returned to Italy. What a time to be Italian.

[@knotengajin7359]

Aren’t Italians about to go extinct due to low birth rates?

[@sinkhole777]

A similar thing happened to my intelligence when i moved from the Northern Territory in Australia, Down to Perth - go the sandgropers¡

[@gcanaday1]

I didn't change when I came down from the mountains. I'm still a hairy bear. I'm a little disappointed, I wanted to be a muscle-beach kind of guy.

[@CaesarWarrington]

You so corny.

[@ivanmolero7829]

Strange things happen in life. I started to watch many Italian series and moves one year ago. And recently a most remarkable thing happened, my hands started to move frenetically when I was talking. Strange thing! Actually this is true and no joke.

[@LeatherApronClubChannel]

A rare Metatron miss. Roman aristocracy was obviously Atlantean.

[@actuallyKriminell]

Duh. Obviously. Common KZbinr L

[@ImperialSenpai]

Funny way to say Han Chinese.

[@christiankalinkina239]

Maybe you could look at the ethnic background of metatrons source material 🤔

[@marcobelli6856]

Babylonian🤣🤣🤣

[@jdamsel8212]

Weird seeing you in the wild

[@spyrofrost9158]

My grandmother told me. I don't care what they tell you in school; Julius Ceasar was Norwegian!

[@alansmithee8831]

@spyrofrost. No chance of winning Ballon d'Or then?

[@DemonKingBadger]

My grandmother told me I don't care what they tell you in school Plato was Cherokee.

[@airborneranger-ret]

lol

[@cocacola4blood365]

So when Caesar is ousted from power, would that be called Salad Tossing?

[@alansmithee8831]

@@wanheda319 Did he use his Winchester on anyone who accused him of being anything else?

[@Socraticstatic44]

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored- Huxley. Thank you for always revealing the facts among the forest of fallacy 😊

[@71Fenderv22]

Aldous Huxley... Yes, always a good read.

[@bigbasil1908]

'Shyt man, these mushrooms are really good' - Aldous Huxley 😛🍄

[@jhoughjr1]

I dunno why that alliteration never occurred to me before. Its quite apt.

[@Red_Devil_2011]

As usual there is a colossal cloud of obfuscation and lies simply because, as even comments in these very replies show, we have all been brainwashed to believe that anything defending White people- -especially the survival of nordic Whites- -equals MUH NAZIS! equals DUH MOST EVILEST THING EVER! People are too brain-dead to consider that Meds are a different breed of White Europeans, and there were indeed some Nordic lines in Rome which have largely died out. BUT LET'S NEVER CONSIDER THAT, BECAUSE NORDIC = NAZI = BAD! Sheeple refuse to understand how different ethnicities of Whites viewed each other, since in the modern day declaring anyone was any shade of White = muh evil racism. I wish people like this would wake up and grow up. If you all love history so much, then read the forbidden knowledge on WW2 and the mostest evil of muh Aryan subreeemacists evurr...

[@KrakHead193]

My grandmother told me "no matter what they tell you, Julius Caesar was swedish" His real name was Jan-Lars Kajsson

[@ilgufo1146]

Stockholm caput mundi

[@Progamermove_2003]

Then who were the Vikings according to your grandmother?

[@samuraigaming3042]

@@Progamermove_2003 Proto-Sumerians....

[@phillynott6811]

@@Progamermove_2003 Albino Inuit

[@pempotfoy6206]

Very funny joke, the fact that there's already another docen of these comments makes it hilarious

[@starfox300]

The Romans saw the Germanic people as barbarians, they also talked about their distinct features of having light hair and eyes, being tall etc. It's very clear they saw them as unique and different from the Romans

[@8rr725]

They saw them as inferior.

[@matthewmann8969]

They also saw other Non Med Europeans as well as Non Med Africans And Non Med Asians as beneath them yeah.

[@matthewolaechea1869]

@@matthewmann8969 They also saw other Italians that were Non- Ethnic Latins before they expanded citizenship to the rest of Italy as barbarians.

[@SeekingHisWill77]

@@8rr725 most likely on account of cultural norms than physical characteristics.

[@starlight5322]

Pope Gregory I, "Bene, nam et angelicam habent faciem, et tales angelorum in caelis decet esse coheredes" (It is well, for they have an angelic face, and such people ought to be co-heirs of the angels in heaven).

[@hermespino9985]

Your commitment to truth regardless of ideology and politics is always refreshing.

[@UndercoverNormie]

Sad fact. That's the way it's supposed to be.

[@arthas640]

It's kind of depressing how both sides of the political divide seem to want to rewrite history. You've got some people on the right that want to mitigate slavery and the killing of natives while elements of the left shoehorn in diversity and modern attitudes that didnt exist at the time. Both attempt to whitewash history. This recent obsession with Scandinavism kind of bugs me. On one hand you've got the romantics who attempt to portray the Vikings as honorable warriors in tune with nature who fought for glory rather than the pirates and raiders they were. On the other hand you've got the covert racists like this video's subject who've just repackaged Aryanism rather lazily.

[@aere_bruno]

​@@arthas640 My friend, that is the true point. I offer to you a personal analysis of the Scandinavist intellectual movement that you brought to discussion. I define Scandinavists as center-right wingers. I completely agree with your analysis except for this precise thesis that you sustained indirectly: Scandinavism is left sided. I really think it is not. I feel your same bug regarding it. I can't cope with young fellows trend involving vikings and glorifying them. To me, it's another face of fascism. A moderate, subtle and unperceivable right wing trend that pretends to aim for progress.

[@arthas640]

@@aere_bruno I don't think Scandinavianism is left leaning, it's got a whole political spectrum behind it with crunchy granola hippies who think of the vikings like they're druids or warrior nature spirits and you've got the far right types who are just into Aryanism.

[@LeeeeeEcM]

⁠@@aere_brunoRight wing trend??? I think you meant left wing which is a subtle fascism that pretends to aim for progress

[@aetherial87]

Normal people: Romans were Roman. Crazies: NAH THEY WERE * insert favored group here *

[@andredulac4456]

I'm pretty sure they were americans, they both love eagles !

[@nodosa994]

So true lol

[@actuallyKriminell]

My grandma told me so it must be true

[@JohnGrandline]

​@americanchristiannationalist Israoelis are rep1tilian

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@1sanitat1 they're get the most triggered whenever someone doesn't view White people are superior But love calling out black people who claim all nations were black Its really sad

[@nodrug2]

It is so refreshing to view media with a specific plan to tell the real truth, not his truth or her truth or their truth, but the truth. Also to back it up with quotations and have a narrator with specific personal knowledge of older languages and be able to translate exactly what was written by them himself. You, The Metatron are that person, all BS is swept awy with knowledge and you are the sweeper. Kudos!

[@hernandemornay7559]

The real true sorry the real true!! Really !!?? ,because ther is coincidence with some fake papers written by the rulers?

[@thehistoricalhomesteader5415]

You are fast becoming one of my very favorite people on KZbin. Thank you for actually paying attention to real history, real facts. Keep this awesome content coming. I’ll be getting your Patreon!

[@jaewok5G]

ditto, if only for his mellifluous voice.

[@georgeprchal3924]

What we do know is that they exclusively spoke English with British accents.

[@Matt_Alaric]

Like all civilised people.

[@discostu2246]

And played cricket 👍

[@GreoGreo]

@@Matt_Alaric Civilized people have good teeth

[@Matt_Alaric]

@@GreoGreo Didn't Washington have wooden teeth?

[@alansmithee8831]

@georgeorchal. Aye, Claudius.

[@Jon0387]

My family is originally from Norway, we never claimed descent from the Romans. My grandfather would continuously drill into us that the Vikings were our ancestors. I did find the Roman descriptions of Nordic people unable to handle heat pretty funny but very true - I don’t do well in the heat.

[@SK-ut6tw]

My family from northern Sweden get sick in the heat. All platinum to golden blondes blue/grey eyes and snow white skin.

[@PiousMoltar]

I'm British and I don't do well in the heat. Or the cold. Or even the middle. I can feel too hot and too cold numerous times in the same day. Sometimes even kind of at the same time.

[@酆景文]

Your heat might be my cold 😂😂

[@mikemaki7192]

You can get used to it, I grew up in Arizona, Swedish Norwegian and Finnish ancestors.

[@SebastianEpicurus]

Well that's rather odd, because i am Latino American. Or just American 😉 with Mexican parents. And i for one cannot stand the heat unless i practice. I can stand the cold ok. Sometimes i hop in the shower, and turn the knob all the way to the cold side. Ice cold shower helps me cool down when i am too hot. And i usually walk outside in 40°F with just shorts and a T-shirt just fine, sometimes a tank top. Then again my Grandmother did have blonde hair and green eyes. So maybe i've got some Nordic cold resistant genes 😂 i rather think myself Roman

[@charlotteillustration5778]

I love it when you demolish a spurious argument with clear logic, incontestable written and visual evidence and a scholarly but engaging explanation. Carry on please!

[@aag3752]

But he made one mistake: The Levant was NOT and is NOT a region of dark skinned peoples. I'm Lebanese and am white. Many Lebanese and Syrians have light skin, and a significant minority of us have blonde hair and blue eyes.

[@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br]

​@@aag3752 Most Syrians and most Levant peoples look like Mediterraneans. You do not notice them because Mediterraneans and Middle Easterners look exactly the same. The Germanic looking ones are rare and you notice them because Germanic peoples look different from Middle Easterners. They stand out.

[@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br]

​@@aag3752 You are not Middle Eastern. Middle Easterners are too proud to be Muslim Middle Easterners and hate Europeans to ever identify with the West.

[@aag3752]

@@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br What do you think Mediterranean people look like?

[@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br]

@aag3752 Like Arab Middle Easterners except that they're actually not Middle Easterners.

[@atti2203]

I'm Finnish. The Romans liked wine and flamboyant costumes... Clearly Italian.

[@SuburbanFox]

Romans looked like Kevin McKidd and Ray Stevenson, and Julius Caesar looked like Ciaran Hinds, and I will die on that hill!

[@Kanasubigi896]

None of those guys look even a little bit Italian, and Kevin mckidd is too white

[@SuburbanFox]

@@Kanasubigi896 I know really, it's a joke, because they were in that excellent TV show by HBO.

[@Drvol1]

@@Kanasubigi896Don’t look up Italian soccer player Davide Biondini - you might get triggered.

[@joji2937]

6:00 As a Serbian I found it funny they apparently considered Serbs "nordic", whereas their allies the Croats are conspicuously greyed out in this map. Serbs and Croats are very close genetically, and this would have been apparent even to anthropologists back in the day so I'm very curious about the source of this map

[@hernanstrausser9143]

I think it's just a rough map of german occupied europe in ww2

[@joji2937]

​@hernanstrausser9143 Could be, didn't consider that. I was under the impression that all of France was occupied at one point, but my knowledge on the topic isn't as deep as I would like. He also says "nordicism" just as the map is shown on screen so forgive my confusion if that is the case.

[@hernanstrausser9143]

@@joji2937 You are actually correct, at one point france was entirely occupied, just not at the point depicted in the map, it's a reasonable mistake though, no worries serb-bro :)

[@stanleyrogouski]

Didn't the Ustase in World War II declare that Croats were really Goths and not Slavs?

[@duckpotat9818]

It also excludes Britain, Ireland, Sweden and Iceland but includes the Northern Caucuses. Which is also weird.

[@hinatachibi7223]

I adore this video! As someone who wants to become a teacher (mostly for high school) I like to keep on my toes about information. So much of what I learned in school was historically inaccurate or exaggerated to a worrying degree. It wasn't until I got into college that I learned there were more to the historical events or people than the vague overviews I learned in high school or even middle school. Thank you so much for your work!❤ I do have a question about your sources; is this information freely out there or did you pay for a kind of academic periodical? When I do research papers I find it hard to find good sources not blocked by paywalls 😢😢😢

[@randomcamus9445]

The true Italians or Romans or what they were previously called were half dark with brown eyes but when a country invades and becomes powerful, enslavement begins for jobs and Also for sexual things and as you pass by people start to be mixed that's why you find dark Italians and other whites with German appearance Here it is always forgotten that everyone who invades takes people for sexual things..

[@lamename2010]

18:00 Speaking of names, you could have mentioned how Schwarz (Black) and Braun (Brown (also a last name found in english) etc is a last name that is found to this day within germany etc, pointing towards this being a rare trait, that would allow you to pick them out amongst the masses. Course the curly hair bit is also interesting and more contemporary.

[@aboner2551]

Those names probably derive from dirty appearances from working.

[@Z3sty_St4r]

Eva .. braun... mmm

[@lamename2010]

​@@aboner2551 No, researchers have looked into it, it is hair. Better yet, longer variants of the Schwarz name include "Schwarzkopf" (head, but the whole thing) and "Schwarzhaupt" (head, but referring to the top). Schwarzenegger refers to a black plowman, which while not exactly clean, wouldn't explain why they used it as an adjective to differentiate Schwarzeneggers from all other plowmen. List goes on.

[@Trompicavalas]

In Spanish we have the surname "Rubio" which means "blonde" and also the surname "Moreno" which today means "black hair" but till XVII century was also used to refer to black people, even today in some Latin American countries the word "moreno" is still used to refer to an Afro-descendant.

[@lamename2010]

@@gnome-ski They were blackhaired. Ergo Schwarz.

[@Raleyg]

Speaking as a Norwegian: No. A few Italians who happened to be blond, does not mean the entire civilization was Nordic. Those who believe that kind of nonsense tend to be fans of a certain Austrian painter. For comparison, the viking ruler Halfdan the Black had that nickname because he had black hair, which would be very unusual in Viking age Scandinavia

[@HeathenDance]

I'm Portuguese, and half of my family seems more Nordic than Hitler did lol. Not to mention Himmler and Goebbels. Among other lesser known, but still influential Nazis, like Streicher, who genuinely looked like a gipsy. Nothing against gipsies, just saying. Those dudes were serious wannabes with "I'm not Aryan enough" inferiority complexes. And when such people have power... nasty and extreme things will happen.

[@itsapittie]

Similarly, the existence of dark-haired Norwegians doesn't mean Scandinavians are actually Mediterranean. There is significant phenotypic variation within any ethnic group. Heck, people from southern India are often very dark. Does that mean they are actually African? Genetic studies say otherwise. Racial bias gives rise to some really ridiculous ideas.

[@Clay-jj9br]

My mother's family is Italian her and my 3 aunts natural blondes blue eyes but they were from northern Italy I believe they are defended from Germanic Lombard tribe.... And if I remember right I believe the Germans considered northern Italians as aryans

[@howardsternssmicrophone9332]

Wonder what the world would be like now if that certain Austrian painter you mention was accepted into Art University? Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[@HontasFarmer80]

Charlie Chaplain right?

[@dionysiussidorius4615]

It would be also very interesting if you covered myths and facts about our ancestors' (Indo-Europeans) appearance! I suppose I'm not the only one to be interested in such content! Thank you for your efforts, o Metatron!

[@themostbestwizard]

@@OKay-ox3kh look up Lola. (She had blue eyes and dark skin.)

[@Vecorix]

What specifically do you want him to "disprove" 😂

[@sturzuus]

@dionysiussidorius4615 When we speak about indo-europeans we speak about a linguistic family(spread from europe to china) not about phenotype.

[@sturzuus]

@@OKay-ox3kh No we don't talk genetics it is a linguistic and cultural phenomenon. "‘Indo-European’ is primarily a term of historical linguistics. It refers to the great family of languages that now extends across every continent and already two thousand years ago extended across the whole breadth of Europe and large tracts of central and southern Asia; or it refers to the hypothetical ancestral language from which all the recorded Indo-European languages descend... If there was an Indo-European language, it follows that there was a people who spoke it: not a people in the sense of a nation, for they may never have formed a political unity, and not a people in any racial sense, for they may have been as genetically mixed as any modern population defined by language. If our language is a descendant of theirs, that does not make them ‘our ancestors’, any more than the ancient Romans are the ancestors of the French, the Romanians, and the Brazilians. The Indo-Europeans were a people in the sense of a linguistic community. We should probably think of them as a loose network of clans and tribes, inhabiting a coherent territory of limited size." Indo-European Poetry and Myth-Introduction by M. L. West

[@Vecorix]

@sturzuus you're talking out of your ass, what else are we supposed to refer to the steppe pastoralists as, they have distinct genetics, it just happened that not everyone that speaks their languages has the same amount of ancestry from them, in the north its nearly 55%, south far less. But they were a real people, created from a mixture of Western, Caucasus, and Iran Hunter Gatherers and Ancient North Eurasians, from whom their culture mostly originated.

[@Progamermove_2003]

The largest empire in history where the sun never set was too insecure to admit that their civilizational grandfather (the Roman Empire) were not Nordic. A huge thumbs up from India.

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

England lives rent free in your head poo man

[@richardaubrecht2822]

Heh. One of my favorite fantasy authors has a series where the main character is a Roman general who was made fun of many times during his life because he has blonde hair (he was from the north of Italy and most likely had some Celtic blood in him). One of the reasons i never expected the Romans to be "Nordic". But Harry Turdledove is a Byzantinian scholar, so he know his Roman shit.

[@mconfalonieri]

Ah, I loved the Lost Legion saga!

[@torg2126]

​@@mconfalonieri same

[@countOfHenneberg]

I read that series; wasn't till I read some Byzantine history that I realised, "Hey, that's where he got the story from."

[@happyslapsgiving5421]

The same thing happened to "Lucius Vorenus" in NBC's Rome.

[@Anesthesia069]

Reminds me of Rome when Vorenus is making a speech and someone in the forum says something like "Shove off, ginger!" and he replies "I do not deny I may have a Gallic look about me, but I am a true Roman!"

[@alunevans380]

Celts were not just white, blond haired, and blue eyed, many were white and had dark hair and brown eyes.

[@kellysouter4381]

And still have, but skin that burns in the sun, which is fun for an Australian Celt facing another summer!

[@fnansjy456]

Most celts would have had Brown hair ,plenty with black hair especially in Gaul and celtic iberia and galatia ,blond celts would have been an minority very small percentage in spain to decent size percentage among the Celtic Britons .

[@nunoamaro6518]

Being blonde has nothing to do to being nordic

[@ElessarFrey]

@@fnansjy456with the celts it’s difficult, because it’s a cultural civilization, not an ethnic group.

[@bouchacourtthierry8506]

French, Swiss, North Italian South German , Wallons are Celt , 90 % of British are "Britons" ... There were not Latins Settlers in Gaul, in Britania...just soldiers that came from all the Roman empire and consuls. That the genius of Roma.

[@josephnardone1250]

Once again, Metatron, you've introduced me to something I've never heard of before. I never knew that there was the idea of Nordicism let alone that the Romans were suppose to be Nordic. Great video. I think that we shouldn't forget that people have come-up with harebrained ideas throughout history and that this is another one. I've read histories and studies of the Nordic and Scandinavian peoples but I never encountered this idea before.

[@marquisejoubert6129]

Yeah it’s one of the theories used to rationalize nazism

[@InfernosReaper]

That's some crap that was really big among the nazis, when they weren't trying to hijack the real aryan identity

[@Eisenkieffer]

You’ve never in your studies of Scandinavia, Norway heard mention of the “Nordic” myths? But you’ve never heard of Nordicism. Hmmm.

[@jamescorvus6709]

@@marquisejoubert6129 its before nazism. nazism is birthed from these ideas

[@Epsilonsama]

It's the same idea that only Northern Europeans are White and someone from Italy or Spain are swarthy.

[@midtskogen]

The Roman descriptions of barbarians were not very accurate, and they would tend to characterise different groups the same way. Celtic and Germanic tribes were described in similar fashion, but it only means that the Romans felt that they were different from themselves. Interestingly, however, there is plenty linguistic evidence that the Celts and italic peoples were pretty close, setting themselves apart from Germanic people.

[@eltecnico9541]

To understand, modern Europeans are the result of mixing three clearly differentiated genetic components, Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG), Anatolian Farmers and Steppe Western Herder (Indo-European). The Anatolians emigrated to Europe where they mixed with the WHG, giving rise to the so-called Early European Framer (EEF), later from the Pontic steppe the Indo-Europeans emigrated, Indo-European men have children with EEF women. The Nordic Phenotype arises 2000 years after the Indo-European expansion, in the Corderd Ware culture, ancestors of the Baltics and the Germanics. The Celts and the Italians are characterized by having greater DNA of Anatolian origin, the paternal lineage of the Italians came from the Russian steppe and Italian women from the Bronze Age have children. The Celts arise in Central Europe. The Nordic phenotype never existed in Italy, in fact today's Italians are whiter than their Neolithic ancestors.

[@teresamerkel7161]

Metatron with his sword of logic and truth backed by correctly contextualized primary sources. "Checkmate." Love those 72 wings.

[@randomcamus9445]

The true Italians or Romans or what they were previously called were half dark with brown eyes but when a country invades and becomes powerful, enslavement begins for jobs and Also for sexual things and as you pass by people start to be mixed that's why you find dark Italians and other whites with German appearance Here it is always forgotten that everyone who invades takes people for sexual things....

[@darkmax9926]

very good video as always! A channel called "lets ask seki sensei" reacted to your video "kenjutsu vs hema". The gentleman there is a kenjutsu master in japan, i think you reacting to it could be very interesting!

[@EvanHBogle]

The ancient Romans were 1/3rd Nordic, 1/3rd Sub-Saharan African and 1/3 Japanese.

[@SyrinxArcadianNymph]

😂

[@admirekashiri9879]

Imagine 😂😂

[@jentroytravel312]

@@OKay-ox3kh, not Cherokee, they were Apache. The Cherokee are a figment of European imagination, molded to fit the refined savage narrative. The Apache are a strong tribe who follows in the footsteps of their most famous warrior, Geronimo. That’s how the Romans became so fierce, 1/2 Apache blood.

[@TruthMatters9674]

But they were 100% Wakandan.

[@kaizokujimbei143]

1/3rd Nordic plus 1/3rd Japanese makes the Romans 2/3rd god. The 1/3rd Sub-Saharan African makes them 1/3rd mortal, I guess. So the Romans were Gilgamesh, confirmed.

[@Mikeatthenet]

According to the documentary ”Life of Brian”, Brians father was a Roman Centurion by the name of Nautius Maximus. Since Brian is clearly blonde and blonde hair is generally considered a recessive gene this is a stunning evidence for the elite Romans beeing of Nordic origin… Unfortunately Biggus Dickus and his wife Incontinentia Bottocks doesn’t appear so we can’t be sure of their hair color but they surely sounds to be blonde. 😏

[@stevenwamsley2941]

very good point. what about the grandparents? Syphilus and his wife Chlamydia ?? blond or brunet.?

[@srbisunasledniciilira.alba7494]

Mather side can have influence. Mather side give you more race atributs despite you get Y- DNA from father. Example Pushkin he was R1a by father side but his Mather side two generation back was from Africa.

[@lactusgalacto1174]

@@stevenwamsley2941 😁😁😁😁😁😁😅😅😅😅😅

[@NeoZeta]

Wrong. His father was not a Roman Centurion, but a Woman Centurion.

[@Crisadder]

Biggus Dickus does appear when they would wuelease Buaian

[@zeropsaft]

Romans were Mediterranean, like how we Greeks were and are Mediterranean.

[@capeverdeanprincess4444]

Mediterranean isn’t a race. They are all genetically different.

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@capeverdeanprincess4444 He didn't say anything about race.

[@amaricani]

Ancient germans: The romans are Evil Ancient Romans: those german barbarians are Evil Modern people: were they the same group?

[@metatronyt]

Pretty much!

[@disconcerningcitizen2224]

Some people say the same thing about Semitic and germanic people. The theory is that they(germanic and Semitic) were both rival Aryan groups, and ww2 was just an extension of this rivalry.

[@alansmithee8831]

​@@metatronyt. No. When my uncle escaped from Italians as POW, they recaptured him. When he later got away from the Germans, he got home to UK for VE Day. Master race theory behind video disproved.

[@JohnWick_897]

​@@disconcerningcitizen2224to say Jesus was Aryan 😂🤣🤣

[@julietfischer5056]

@@disconcerningcitizen2224- British Israelite and related nonsense.

[@rc8937]

My understanding is that over time, after Caesar's conquest of Gaul, the legions in the north became increasingly Germanic looking, since it became harder to find recruits from the core provinces.

[@dasselbe2521]

They wouldn't be Germanic looking though?

[@dasselbe2521]

Unless you are talking about far north

[@user-wy1yb7zj1j]

They were Germanic, especially after Constantine started to be open to Germanic recruits

[@floridaman318]

Well eventually Germanic tribes would be integrated into the Roman military so...

[@ysteinberg5084]

Though I probably should agree to the Nordic superiority stuff 😅, ethnicity is not as straight forward as people seems to think. My ancestors were all Norwegians, with records back to early Viking age. Everyone in my family has hair that is brown/dark blonde with a tint of red. We’re born with black hair, it becomes white/yellow before puberty, then it starts to darken.. At 45, my hair is now dark brown. A few years ago someone did DNA analysis of bones from several Viking graves and what they found was a very ethnically diverse group. My ancestors had DNA from all over Europe and Asia. If someone lives here in the north where their skin barely experience sunshine since our summers are short and cold, they will turn white. My Vietnamese wife has already become quite white and she’s only been here for 5 years. Our son looks pure Nordic, with brown hair that is getting more light colored. White skin is simply skin that is trying to compensate for the lack of sunlight, so it can produce more d-vitamins. If we stopped all immigration now, everyone up here would be similarly white within a few centuries, even if they were pure black when they came here.

[@adammichael9759]

I came across your channel yesterday. I am elated that it was in the area of algorithm "recommended for you." I have been a student of topics you cover for a very long time. I have pieced things together over my life, and I do not have an academic circle I speak with about these things. Everything from the Metatron to the history of ppl, languages, etc. These are things I've been deeply interested in since I was 13 years old. My favorite element of your work is how you do your research and presentations. I heard you mention your ability to check your biases and admit when you may have misspoke or made a mistake. The importance of that element can not be understated. Solid thinking and concepts. With many, many videos to keep me entertained and help further my understandings. Thank you to everyone who works on your channel.

[@cringothebot276]

I have an interesting theory about the Nordicism theory. It is that at the turn of the century you had many "Germanic" empires. The British, the very quickly rising Germans, as well as the expansive and growing American Republic. At this time as well the Russians were facing growing instability and the Chinese were, at this point, unable to stem the tide of European powers in Asia. So they, with only their current world as a reference, had come to the conclusion that only "Nordic" peoples could have built stable empires. Even with all evidence pointing to it being a silly concept I think it is an interesting theory when put into the fairly chaotic timeframe it was created in.

[@franciscoborquezk.155]

Nowadays they just blame the ancient astronauts

[@FSboy70]

I don't see no difference between these theorists of the past with the plethora of internet theorists in the present. Most people never even heard of them or their theories.

[@duckpotat9818]

​@@FSboy70 Nordicism had a very direct impact on Germa (inc Austria and former Prussia) nationalism and ultimately led to the rise of the Nordic supremacist National Socialists in the 1930s in Germany.

[@jmgonzales7701]

Well tbh nowadays the countris that seem to be stable tends to be nordics or germanic descent while the meditternean europe has not recovered ever since.

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@gnome-skiyes but the brits themselves were germanic, at least some parts of the English

[@Centuries_of_Nope]

Didn't even know this was a thing, let alone a contentious point. None the less, another wonderful history lesson.

[@chicca9097]

Loved it! As I am also half Greek I’d love a video like this about the Greeks

[@black-hand]

With Greek it’s clear. There are ancient samples that demonstrate that Ancient Greeks had no north European admixture, while modern ones do have a little and its circumstantial. The genetic continuity of Greeks is one of the strongest according to the tested samples.

[@imacolonelinbf2975]

moor

[@Harald_Revery]

The Scandinavian version of "we wuz kangs".

[@melissapinol7279]

I try to be tolerant, but "we wuz kangs" sounds exactly like the way my racist white Southern mother used to imitate black people and laugh. Distasteful.

[@andryuu_2000]

You mean the nazi anglo/german equivalent

[@viriathas9910]

Only the Metaron can equally wreck black supremacists and white supremacists within the same 30 day period.

[@metatronyt]

Damn right!

[@admirekashiri9879]

​@@metatronyt😂👏🏿 hence why I love this channel.

[@nunoamaro6518]

Did not wreck white supremacists cause that is impossible to do

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@metatronyt that's why you're awesome sir 😊

[@paraconsistentjojo]

This claim only depends upon the claim that civilisation = superiority. Nordic supremacists find barbarianism superior to civilisation, but have proved they are superior civilisation builders, even to Rome. Metatron’s argument rests upon a strawman of motive, which he attacks. So, he can argue about the demographics of Rome, but has not argued against any claim to supremacy at least from the White perspective.

[@madmarduk1936]

I’ve honestly never heard anyone claim that Romans were Nordic before.

[@Snoy_Fly]

I’ve heard that Indians and Egyptians were nordic😂

[@st0rmrider]

​@@Snoy_Fly Nordic gypsies maybe

[@joalvarado8506]

You must live under a rock. The last 150 years of archaeology quite literally revolved around that belief. The only reason we still argue about the race of ancient peoples is because Europeans spent the last 150 years convincing everyone that their ancestors were “white”. All of North Africa and the Middle East still refer to themselves as Caucasian even though they are genetically and and phenotypically distinct from other Caucasians.

[@darreideamos2309]

The nordic supremacy bullshit was a very common idea in the past. Today its kept alive by neonazis so its underground but I have seen it pop up a few times

[@Wilkins325]

Clearly you haven’t met any chronically online racists

[@Scorpiove]

Great video, I love that you use the words of the ancients. It's fun to hear to see the world through their eyes.

[@Dack.howaboutyou]

Excellent video execution on a subject matter that is particularly prone to controversy and imho is not especially easy to be as succinct as you were, while still hitting the important, key pieces of info! Thanks for the good work. Keep it up brother! 🙂

[@markcreemore4915]

The Celtic presence in ancient Italy should surprise no one, as the entire Po Valley to the Alps and beyond was Celtic. Rome's greatest lyric poet, Catullus, came from the Lake Garda region, and was likely mostly Celtic.

[@tommymecousinlostmecar4165]

Celts and romans did intermix a lot, at least in Northern Italy. Probably why blonde hair is more common in Northern Italy than in the south.

[@elliskaranikolaou2550]

@@tommymecousinlostmecar4165 I wouldn't say it's common, rather just more prevalent than in the South of Italy.

[@a.nonimus6705]

Whoa whoa whoa... greatest poet? Who said? I think Horace and Lucretius might say otherwise.

[@KroM234]

@@tommymecousinlostmecar4165 Let's not forget that the Lombards settled this region, which is the cherry on top.

[@alessandrom7181]

Too bad that "Celtic" is just a cultural term not of a single people all over Europe and incudes even a lot of people from Italy who were "celtized" later like Ligures probably. Also Romans and Cisalpine Celts ( and Etruscans ) were basically the same people genetically. There haven't been a big change in North Italian genetic pre and after Romans. Also who said that Catullus was "Celtic" because he came from Garda ? LOL Etruscans were heavily present in Padanian Valley . Duh.

[@ernoti]

Great video as always, you think you could talk about the ocupation history of the Levant territory? it's quite the hot topic today

[@Anonymous-ym8gr]

Nice video. The theory of Nordicism was debunked scientifically. Similarly, it would be nice to have a video debunking the idea that a sizeable proportion of Greeks was Nordic.

[@Smkymcpott85]

"There is no my truth or her truth. There is just objective truth." Very beautifully said. It seems in this period and culture, we are confusing objective truth with emotional truth. We all have our emotional truths. These are statements expressing the emotions we are feeling as a person, this is very polarizing and individualistic, which separates us from the whole. While on the other hand, there is the objective truth of a situation that is not bogged down by the weight of emotions. Both are extremely important, we should not deny our emotions, which would lead to blockages within ourselves that manifest in a negative way, or in a way that we don't want. Sorry to get a bit metaphysical, but the ethereal realm is all around us and plays into everything we do, whether you believe it or not. But what about the notion, "History is written by the winners."

[@damianvanheerden1436]

I never knew there was such a theory, you learn something new every day. Thanks I apricate this breakdown

[@oktusprime3637]

It's actually a very popular belief by white supremacists.

[@ImperialSenpai]

It’s the basis for national socialist racial thought, if you want to see more in depth of that nonsense TIK has multiple videos discussing their nonsensical beliefs.

[@gs7828]

@@ImperialSenpai Funnily, the Nazis both cherished Germanic resistance to Rome and at the same time copied Roman iconography to portray power. Ironic.

[@ImperialSenpai]

@@gs7828 Yeah, also hated the Catholic Church but liked using the Teutonic Knights for propaganda purposes to further their ideology. It’s bonkers that they would just contradict themselves and say the most ridiculous things.

[@damianvanheerden1436]

@@ImperialSenpai Thanks for the heads up Senpai

[@Zetact_]

Another really obscure Roman emperor who was blonde is Constantius Gallus, who Ammianus in describing his handsome appearance mentions he had soft, blonde hair. Since blonde is not a dominant trait it might indicate that other Constantinians could have been blonde? They also often used the names "Flavius" and "Flavia" constantly. Maybe Constantius Chlorus had roots from the north which could have been why Diocletian sent him up to Brittania? Or maybe the men of their family just really liked blondes and after a few generations it stuck with them.

[@jigsaw2253]

Romans wuz Viking and sheeit😂

[@Zetact_]

@@jigsaw2253 Not saying they were Nordic. If anything it's just plausible that the Constantinians maybe had Germanic blood somewhere in their line, enough that at least one of them was confirmed to be blonde. They were also around fairly late into the Western empire, when there would be a lot of people with Germanic heritage mixing in with the native Romans as well.

[@marcobelli6856]

@@jigsaw2253this is more Viking wuz Romans n shiet Not the other way around

[@Ingrid-wh7jf]

A lot of the Egyptian ruling elite were white as well red hair and blue eyed same with attila the hun I don't think metatron did a great job convincing me the roman elite class wasn't Nordic or Germanic

[@ur-inannak9565]

Modern Italians sometimes have blonde hair, the trait appears to some degree pretty much everywhere in Europe and Central Asia.

[@CrypticWizard9]

Romans looked like modern Italians. Tan dark, primarily brown hair, and brown eyes. But with some blue and green eyes as well as some dirty blond and red hair.

[@carmenpozzi7357]

Marrone scuro sarai tu

[@andryuu_2000]

Metatron isn't dark tan tho

[@henrikrolfsen584]

At one point, half of the slave population in the Empire was of northern European origin. The Gauls were typical Kelto-Teutonic Northern Europeans. The Ancient Greeks, 600 BCE, sailed regularly to Wales, and Corinth to trade for tin.

[@dougkleen9917]

There were blond Romans as there were Blond Greeks but that doesnt mean they were Nordic.

[@gianlucarossi5672]

Exactly.

[@AgapitoAlcantara-zb8br]

They are the exception. They are rare.

[@joetraders7476]

10:47 rare case of Metatron being wrong. English isn’t a Germanic/Romance hybrid language, it’s a Germanic language with a lot of Romance loan words.

[@ericconnor8251]

Great video! Obviously there were Germanic people who lived in the Roman Empire and for that matter had served as auxiliary cavalrymen in the army of the Roman Republic before then, such as in the campaigns of Caesar, Crassus, and Gabinianus (i.e. the Gabiniani who were sent to Ptolemaic Egypt). Ethnically Latin Romans were Southern Europeans, obviously, and occasionally intermarried with Germanic folk but also with Greeks, Egyptians, Iberians, Phoenicians, etc.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Most of the land the romans controlled in the later period would have had natives with darker skins than the romans themselves. Northern Italy ethnically was germanic, it was literally called cisalpine gaul. you still find a lot of germanic people there, they have light hair and white skin, they look very different from southern italians or sicilians. The early Romans would have looked a lot more like germanic people than the later romans, after a 1000 years of intermarriage with people from other areas of the empire.

[@ericconnor8251]

@@TheSuperappelflap Northern Italy was Celtic, not "Germanic", there is a huge distinction between these ethnic groups, although Celts were also lighter on average than Latins, Iberians, Greeks, etc. So yes, the Romans assimilated Cisalpine Gaul starting in the 3rd century BC and yes, many Romans from that point forward would have had some Gallic features. Aside from that, the Italian genome and population genetics haven't changed much since the Bronze Age, so this sort of population mixture had already happened well before the city of Rome was even founded in the early Iron Age.

[@JonkoJointson]

Not Egyptians but the ramses the 2nd lineage of self worshipping pharaohs type of Egyptians. And those type of Egyptians were celts related to folks in west Persia. The word pharaoh comes from Persian paa ra or something along those lines. There's a etymological connection for the celtic background of the mummifying afterlife type pharaohs who wanted to become gods.

[@ericconnor8251]

@@JonkoJointson I don't know if this is an attempt at trolling or if you believe in this silliness, but no, Egyptians had an Afro-Asiatic culture similar to Aramaeans, Assyrians, Arabs and Hebrews, they were not remotely Persian, as Iranian peoples and their language are Indo-European, much like the Greeks and Latin Romans. In fact, Iranian peoples weren't even relevant in Mesopotamia until the Iron Age with the Median Empire, which was followed by the Achaemenid Empire. The latter conquered Egypt in the 6th century BC, long after Egypt had maintained its civilization (at the beginning of the Bronze Age). The Celts have nothing to do with Egypt and there's no evidence for any Celts even living in Egypt until the Hellenistic period after Alexander the Great when the Greek Ptolemies ruled Egypt. Galatian Celts migrated there as mercenary soldiers in the 3rd century BC and became kleruchoi landholder soldiers, as well as important soldiers alongside Greeks, Jews, and foreign mercenaries at the expense of native Egyptians (who were often recruited in lower ranks). The only other significant group of Celts to arrive in Egypt came with the Roman "Gabiniani" expedition of Aulus Gabinus when he restored king Ptolemy XII Auletes to the throne in 55 BC, toppling the rule of his rebellious daughter Berenice IV. Many of the Gabiniani were also Germanic, not just Celtic soldiers, and they intermarried with Greek and native Egyptian women after settling down there. However, these aforementioned Celts lived in Egypt more than 2,000 years after the Giza Pyramids had been built. Again, Celts have nothing to do with native Egyptians or other North Africans. They were primarily a central European people who also lived in what is now northern Spain, northern Portugal, northern Italy, the British Isles, and Ireland.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@JonkoJointson celts are a cultural group, not a genetic group, so this comment means very little.

[@keyem4504]

My grandma told me that the Romans didn't drink wine. In fact they drank only beer, and especially the variant from the Cologne area in Germany. Kölsch. And that's the only truth!

[@theCosmicQueen]

some of them were blond or redhead but that doesn't make them nordic. there were also blond greeks/ spartans.

[@jacquelineess1141]

100%

[@AmunRaa]

I have seen a lot of these people who claim ancient Egypt for the same reasons. I came from a rural area and we have people with red, blonde and golden hair color and colored eye and all of them from rural areas which makes them natives same as the people you are talking about natives to the Romans and this doesn't make them Europeans nor Nordic

[@TreeCamper]

I heard if you have +50% cold resistance, you might be a Nord.

[@advanzeelive]

As a Swede with mixed nordic heritage I love how you challenge all these basically "we wuz kangz" ideas that are out there, I've seen butthurt people on twi-x whining at you, I feel like you and Shad has been the most genuinely likeable people that are based in truth, in what I consider the "swords n stuff" people on youtube.

[@andryuu_2000]

Shad is a nazi tho

[@Bwkjam]

When you realize the white nationalists and black nationalists are the same personality type.

[@johnP0908]

exactly. they both have their own kinds of delusions.

[@jasonr5989]

Derived from insecurity

[@ZIEMOWITIUS]

@Austrian_Painters_TopGuy False. the DNA shows Romans were basically the same as modern Italians.

[@ZIEMOWITIUS]

@Austrian_Painters_TopGuy Modern Italians aren't Germanic. Even the Northernmost Italians barely have any Germanic ancestry according to the DNA.

[@ZIEMOWITIUS]

@Austrian_Painters_TopGuy Hey genius, almost all Europeans have Indo-European DNA. The archeology supports the idea that the Romans weren't much different from modern Italians. Cite me ONE credible article that says the Romans were Nordic, just one from a source that isn't David Irving, I'll wait.

[@dmbook]

I would've never thought of Roman and Nordic being the same thing

[@Λυκάων]

it's fairly possible for some Romans to have Nordic influence since Italics share common ancestry with the Celts.

[@tommymecousinlostmecar4165]

It is possible that celts left some considerable influence on romans, after all they were integrated after a while.

[@phil5365]

Latin is classed as Italo-Celtic in the IE language family that spread across Europe so all these peoples shared some common ancestry with the Latins and celts separating in central Europe.

[@JohnWick_897]

No, racial superiority people have been considering Celts and their Celtic culture as not Nordic or not Germanic 😂. (e.g. the Irish were looked down and considered of inferior race, the race of Celts).

[@Cormarenc]

The Celts weren't nordic

[@Λυκάων]

@@Cormarenc Some of them were, the Helvetti samples archeologists found score genetically very close to modern day Denmark and north Europe overall. Celts from Iberia and the Balkans were probably more Med looking due to mixing with the locals.

[@LordSathar]

i think they confuse the lombards, who were a germanic tribe and affected a roman style of living to the point where eventually conquered rome, with the people who created and sustained the original empire.

[@TheBusyHoneyBee]

I am shocked! Never imagined that ancient Romans looked like italians... s/

[@blackieblackmetal7218]

EXCELLENT WORK! You never fail to impress! You should do a vid on the great number of genius minds that historically come out of Italy.

[@unarealtaragionevole]

Wait a minute....are you saying that Ulfric Stormcloak lied to me when he said that the Imperium wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Nords? He said we are all the descendants of the Nords, and we need to remember and pay tribute to our past. ;o)

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

Considering the Empire wouldn't even exist without Talos, who was one third Ysmir, Ulfric didn't lie. Also, the Ancient Nordic Tongues made it possible for the world itself to exist by banishing Alduin. And, of course, there's Ysgramor gaining a foothold for humanity in the continent... Let's say the contributions of the Nords and their Atmoran ancestors are fairly important.

[@unarealtaragionevole]

@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 😂 Missed the point of the joke. But in reality, the point I was making is that things like "Skyrim" are just another example of the many attempts for the last 1500 years by Northern European influences trying to either straight up claim Roman glory, try to revision history to their fancy, or somehow interject themselves into Roman history in an effort to claim a prevalence. It's nothing new.

[@todobienrico]

@@unarealtaragionevole exactly. the elder scrolls is made by your typical anglosaxon wasp with serious inferiority complex about roman empire, ancient greek, spartans, alexander the great, troy, even mesopotamia they claim they were anglos or nordics or some shit.

[@staceyjordan4502]

I appreciate the amount of work and research you put into your videos. They are concise and devoid of extraneous fluff.

[@marcusaurelius5576]

Excellent as usual. One of my favorite channels. As a lover of Roman and Italian culture I approve of this presentation. As a side note simply study the music art and architecture of any culture and you will literally see the soul of its people.

[@jmgonzales7701]

but what about the north part of Italy? seem to have a lot of blondes there

[@marcusaurelius5576]

@@jmgonzales7701 Quute true. The north differs substantially from the south in height complexion and hair color. Good point.

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@marcusaurelius5576so is there a certain reason? different groups which populated it? or just climate?

[@marcusaurelius5576]

@@jmgonzales7701 It seems to be geographic location in Europe . Europeans vary all over the continent. Hair and eye colors skin complexion from extremely fair to olive toned. Straight to wavy hair and so on. In fact European and European derived indigenous white peoples are the only racial group with wide variations.

[@jmgonzales7701]

doesnt asia also have diverse racial groups? Like the middle east there are iranics and they look different from the middle east. etc @@marcusaurelius5576

[@iberius9937]

The mistaken idea of Nordicism still does not rule out fair types AND brunette types co-existing in Ancient Italy. I recall a wall painting portraying a Sabine or some other Indo-European Italic as blonde and sunburnt.

[@airborneranger-ret]

Did not expect this as a topic. I did ot think anyone thought the ancient Romans were "nordic" - whtever that actually means. My grandmother told me the ancient Romans were Tuscan - that should settle it. :)

[@Wilkins325]

Only chronically online racists think Romans were Nordic lol

[@airborneranger-ret]

I'm thinking mental illness. @@Wilkins325

[@Србомбоница86]

​@@Wilkins325not true ,many historians also believe it sadly

[@awsomeboy360]

When you have Hollywood films protray them as blonds, films making them have English accents, etc. It makes people believe they were in fact Nordic/Anglo even if the reality says otherwise.

[@randallsimmons391]

Another fantastic compilation. You would be doing the academic world a great disservice were you to not compile many of your well researched treatises into books. Collegiate courses could be taught using your work as basis for graduate work. Very well done!

[@BluegrassKnight]

While I totally agree with your arguments, I would just like to add that while I know that certain phenotypes were more prevalent in certain areas of Europe back then. I would like to point out that we been trading people back and forth around Europe since at least the bronze age, probably before. So, while darker hair with tan skin maybe a southern European trait and lighter skin with blonde or red hair a northern one, you could find both in either place. Phenotypes are just products of isolation, adaptation, selection, diet and time, so what I'm trying to say is that we are all still European and Human! So, like Metatron tries to say, can't we all just get along and stop counting our differences, instead focus on what we have in common, while also learning to accept facts!

[@roh-mj6em]

Yes we are human. But there is no European concept before 17th century. You can't apply those things to ancient Greeks and Romans, for them cletics, germanic, iderian, balkan, Baltic, Nordic and slavic tribes are different and uncivilized savages. By this modern European concept you can't steal Greek and Roman history as yours. You should be proud about your Nordic tribes.

[@BluegrassKnight]

I was merely speaking to blood ancestry and to add to what you are saying, all of these groups are made up. While certain characteristics are more prevalent in certain parts of Europe, all types can be found in where in Europe, like a redhead in Italy or brown eyes in Norway. These features do not directly determine what group you belong to, it can only help narrow down where they maybe from. All Caucasians belong to the same group of humans the migrated to Europe back before the last ice age, so all have a common ancestry. For clarity I'm of Anglo-German Heritage with a dash of native American and I'm proud of all parts of my heritage. So, while I don't condone misappropriating other's culture, I feel anyone no matter their heritage, can use and appreciate other people's culture in a respectful way.@@roh-mj6em

[@nenirouvelliv]

Although there wasn't really ever such a divide that Northern Europe was all blonde and Southern Europe all dark and they eventually mixed. The whole spectrum existed in Europe since the Neolithic at least and became more and more blonde in the north during the Bronze Age onwards, as Indo-Europeans turned to farming. And diseases became more in common as population increased, which put additional evolutionary presssure to obtain more vitamin D thus driving the population towards depigmentation. This evolutionary pressure was lesser of course in the Mediterranean, but sharing similar ancestral components with the rest of the Europe they obviously shared similar phenotypes with the North. Italy probably was probably at it's blondest after the Germanic invasions, especially during the Middle Ages when it was more northern-shifted than today or the Roman ages.

[@BluegrassKnight]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was trying to say just in a more condensed form, thanks for adding! @@nenirouvelliv

[@arthas640]

I've always been interested in that. We tend to think of Greeks as olive skinned and dark haired but back in the day red and blonde hair wasnt unusual. Go to Afghanistan and Iran and while rare you'll find the occasional blonde or red head, and blue and green eyes arent unheard of.

[@ferociousgustafson4040]

Is it weird that the people who insist some genetics are superior always see that superiority in the genetics they already possess? It’s never “Ainu bloodlines are the best, wish I had some of that.”

[@disconcerningcitizen2224]

It's why I can never take these people seriously. The "master race" has x,y and z arbitrary features. *person has x,y and z features*

[@ViriatoII]

There are whites who claim black or native American DNA is better

[@applebees563]

Except for Hitler surprisingly, since he had dark hair and supposedly dark eyes lmao. Bro hated himself

[@disconcerningcitizen2224]

@applebees563 having dark hair and eyes didn't prevent you from being in the Aryan race. You just weren't as pure compared to blonde blue eyed folks

[@TruthMatters9674]

@@applebees563 Hitler had dark hair, but dark blue eyes.

[@houstonbush7382]

One of my favorite things you do is the outline/table of contents at the beginning of the video.

[@stefanodeangelis1609]

Hello Metatron, congrats for your work always interesting and spot on. As a Roman living in Spain, I came across a lot with “El Cid Campeador”. Could you make a dedicated video about it, perhaps, myth vs. actual history, as I found it very interesting and I would love to have your opinion on it. Thanks in advance.

[@faethon21]

It would be nice to have your analysis on similarly preposterous theories, that are even today taught in schools like pan-turkism.

[@ekelly1642]

"correctly contextualized primary sources" ... Amen!!! Thank you for all your hard work and content 🙏 i absolutely love how based you are Metatron!!! ❤

[@johngodfrey8367]

Thank you. Been watching your channel for some time and really appreciate it. Thanks again

[@gianlucarossi5672]

Although the Romans were not "Nordic," a minority of them possessed blond hair and blue eyes. So not all Romans had olive skin, dark hair, and eyes. Augustus Eye Color: bluish grey “glauci” (Pliny XI, 54) Hair Color: blondish “subflavum“ (Suet. Aug. 77) Skin tone: Average European Characteristics: Handsome. Bright eyes, his eyebrows met, slightly aquiline nose, small teeth, wavy hair. Calm expression. Carried himself with natural elegance. Short stature, well-proportioned body. Weak constitution, prone to illnesses. Always wore a hat. In winter, he wore several layers of clothing. Sulla Hair color: Blond/golden Eye color: Light blue Skin tone: White . His face was reddish, either because he was ruddy, because he blushed easily, or because he had a skin condition such as rosacea. Physical characteristics: Striking appearance, handsome, powerful gaze, austere countenance Nero Hair color: Blondish Eye color: Light blue Characteristics: Agreeable face, dull eyes, freckly or bad skin, longish hair. Thick neck, prominent belly, slender legs. Short stature, sound constitution. Careless about his dress, appeared in public frequently without shoes. Lucius Verus Hair color: Blond Characteristics: Genial expression, long beard. Tall, well-proportioned, stately. Vigorous, liked sports. Pleasure-loving, spend-drift, no interest in military pursuits or government (fortunately, he had a co-ruler; while Lucius partied, Marcus Aurelius governed). Commodus Hair color: Naturally blond. He may have sprinkled his hair with gold dust to make it look more radiant. Characteristics: Good-looking face, dull expression. Well-proportioned, strong, athletic body. He may have had a growth in a groin, perhaps a hernia. Liked to dress as Hercules, Mercury, or as a woman. During a period, he shaved his head for religious reasons. Liked to fight in the arena as a gladiator. Unbecoming behavior. Cruel, drunkard. An incapable ruler.

[@bobhaverbeck7585]

Blond hair was ascribed to the deities: Armor, Apollo, Aurora, Bacchus, Ceres, Diana, Jupiter, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, & Venus. Also, 250 persons are named Flavius (blond), & many with names of Rufus (red), & Rutulius (reddish).

[@TrappedInFloor]

Those surnames just mean an important ancestor had those traits not every member of the family. Yeah, various gods have light features attributed to them, but that just means they found those traits attractive, not that it was normal.

[@SockAccount111]

So, since the surname rossi (red) is still the second most popular surname in Italy, millions of Italians have red hair, right? Since you believe surnames perfectly depict the physical characteristics of those who bear them, right? Nordicists, I swear...

[@bobhaverbeck7585]

@@TrappedInFloor people inherently find their own traits as most attractive. The founding Romans had light features as did their other Indo-European cousins. Over time they mixed with Mediterranean & Levantine races.

[@TrappedInFloor]

@@bobhaverbeck7585 This has been disproven genetically, founding Romans had more or less the same pigmentation as Northern Italians.

[@Србомбоница86]

​@@bobhaverbeck7585that theory was disproven 😂

[@hardywatkins7737]

I remember reading one writer, i think talking about the 10th Legion recruiting in Iberia, saying that the Romans respected the Iberians considering them a similar people to themselves. I watched a video about the Finns recently, talking about how they are 'the most European' ... in the sense they have a ton of steppe ancestry, and the 'least European' ... in the sense they have a ton of steppe ancestry.

[@SebastianEpicurus]

What writer?

[@hardywatkins7737]

@@SebastianEpicurus I don't know. He wrote a book about the 10th legion.

[@JayKahns]

@@hardywatkins7737At one point the Etruscans who the Romans absorbed were also non Indo European speaking people and may have been more anatolian? When they got absorbed maybe Romans carried traits that made them look similar to Iberians. Or possibly Latins were a similar stock to Etruscans.

[@hardywatkins7737]

@@JayKahns I don't know much about the people and how they became Romans or Etruscans although as far as i know the Greeks and Carthiginians were of Phoenician origins and the Hittites of Anatolia spoke an indo european language. I don't know anything about the Etruscans although i just read they were in central Italy so to speak for 1000 years. I have heard though that Latin is a sister language to the Celtic languages. The idea of Romans likening Iberians to themselves prompts ideas of them both perhaps being decended from an earlier more widespread people inhabiting southern Europe who perhaps got displaced and forced back into their respective peninsulars by other peoples? That or colonisation. I'm sure Metatron would know.

[@hardywatkins7737]

From google: "Other considerations, however, show that Celtic belongs to the so-called southern group of the European branch of Indo-European languages, or in another classification, to the same centum group as Latin, whereas Slavic belongs to the satem group." - I guess that's what i was refering to.

[@iberius9937]

Blondism and fair eyes/skin are not original to Scandinavia. These traits were found all over the Ancient Mediterranean right alongside more olive-skinned or brunette types, the latter of course being more common. There is still blondism and rosy skin pigmentation to this day from Iberia to Lebanon to Iran. There are still some blonde or redheaded Italians, not necessarily due to "Germanic" admixture.

[@user-yt3xd2jl6d]

The first person with blonde hair alive 16,000 years ago is called Anfotova Gora 3 and was a carrier of the blonde hair allele rs12821256. She lived in southern Central Siberia and belonged to the Q2 lineage of the Ancient Northern Eurasian population. The Eastern Hunter-gatherers distributed the rs12821256 allele in Europe, during the Mesolithic, the Finn-Ugric peoples such as the Sami, the Karelians, the Komi, are the closest living humans to EHG and Gora 3, their phenotype is blonde and graceful, the opposite of the Nordic robust phenotype

[@iberius9937]

​@@user-yt3xd2jl6dVery interesting.

[@ElessarFrey]

Americans don’t tend to understand what “olive skin” even means, and it doesn’t matter, because most Mediterraneans are light/fair skinned, not pinkish like Northern Europeans yes, but promoting a Hollywood stereotype based on SOME Sicilian immigrants in America is moronic in any form

[@darthcalanil5333]

*looks at a map of italy* *looks at a map of Scandinavia* *facepalm very strongly*

[@iberius9937]

Safe to say that the blondism and fair pigmentation and phenotypical tendency that existed in Rome and Greece was of the more Alpine, Dinaric and Mediterranean variety, darker than Nordics and Celts and with the Romans and Greeks being shorter in height in comparison, of course.

[@user-yt3xd2jl6d]

Blonde hair spread in Europe in the Neolithic from the North, European farmers were not blonde, the Greeks are the closest Europeans to them, this mutation was introduced sometime 4000 years ago, from the East or the North. Although the first blondes in Europe emerged in the Mesolithic.

[@carboneagle]

So the metatron is Italian, who are descendants of the romans, who were Nordic, who in turn were African. So logically he should have a similar skin color to the African queen Cleopatra.

[@giuseppecalderone9014]

Many do not know that the Italic peoples from which the Romans originated (the same goes for the Greek populations) come from Northern Europe( indoeuropian provenance this also applies to Sicily), they were originally blond, then over time they became darker but it remains genetically the presence of blond and blue-eyed types, very present, then many populations from the North followed one another (as in Sicily - Normans / Vikings). Even the Berbers of North Africa (many are light-colored with blue eyes, are former Nordic populations.

[@solveigw]

Using physical characteristics as part of someones name has also been a thing up here in Ulthima Thule (aka Norway/ Scandinavia) Harald Bluetooth, anyone? Eirik the Red? Olav "Digre" Haraldsson - diger = huge. And to be honest, the Nordic phenotype isn't very superior when we remove ourselves from our sun deprived, rainy coastline. We brun easily, Our hair becomes super electric, and if we drink alcohol when the temperature hits the thirties, we pass out... But up here, where the winters are long and the summer nights are longer, we thrive! (and hide our electric hair under woolen hats )

[@jacquelineess1141]

No race is superior to any other, each has their specific advantages under specific conditions, nothing more and nothing less. Anyone who claims otherwise has an inferiority complex disguised as "supremacy", picking arbitrary characteristics to support the claims of their biased agenda. If only more people could be as aware as you are, what a world we would live in!

[@AnotherDuck]

We do have the advantage of having light skin to not become completely depressed during our dark winters, since we absorb sunlight better. Not so good during the summer, but great during winter.

[@Србомбоница86]

​@@AnotherDuckthat's normal ,each nations tribe thrive the best in their natural habitat

[@Drvol1]

Romans and Italians simply have diverse phenotypes. In Italy it is not uncommon for one brother to have black hair and another to be blonde. Julius Caesar had dark hair and eyes but his nephew had light hair and eyes. This is also true of a lot of European Countries. Is David Beckham any less British than Rowan Atkinson? People like to reframe history to suit their own agenda. Nothing new.

[@sterlingwilkes3240]

Understandable. Im mostly of german scottish heritage with black hair, my wife is swedish with strawberry blond hair. My son has reddish brown and my daughter has almost white blond hair. But we all have blue eyes.

[@דניאלל-ח5ד]

It's not only hair color It's also about facial features.

[@rationalcynic8416]

For real. My dad and his dad's side of the family look Italian, like 'The Godfather' levels of Italian. They have tan skin, very dark brown and/or black hair, and the stereotypical Italian looking nose and face structure. He is dark enough, especially in the summer, that he has been mistaken as a Mexican. But he and the rest of his family are not Italian at all. They are German, French, and English, with some Swiss and Norwegian ancestry. My mother and the vast majority of her family have either very dark brown hair or medium reddish-brown hair and dark brown eyes. But my sister and I were born with light eyes, super pale skin, and blonde hair, especially me. I'm pretty sure I'm the palest on both sides of the family, I have slightly reddish, ashy blonde hair and grey eyes. Genetics are weird, and scientists haven't even begun to scratch the surface on how genetic traits are inherited. The only traits I have that connect me to my parents are my mom's curls, the slight reddish tint in my hair, and my dad's deep set eye sockets.

[@spiritusIRATUS]

It's not just about hair colour, Rowan Atkinson looks very stereotypically British, much like David Beckham, Prince Harry and all the rest, or at least, Nordic if you prefer as all Northerners look alike.

[@Raz.C]

It's rather funny: When Raphael quite rightly pointed out that Egyptians (ancient and otherwise) aren't and weren't *Black,* the brainless internet hosts called him a white supremacist, called him racist, etc... Now that he's pointing out that Romans weren't "White" I wonder if he'll get people calling him a black supremacist...

[@gabork5055]

That just makes him a Black and White supremacist. No better yet, a Grey supremacist. 👽

[@ElessarFrey]

Mediterraneans are european for God’s sake, what’s with Americans trying to represent Southern Europe as a swarthy location?

[@Raz.C]

@@ElessarFrey Most Greeks/ Lebs/ Egyptians/ Southern Italians, etc, like myself, will generally have olive skin, rather than fair/ dark skin. It's a far sight from swarthy.

[@ElessarFrey]

@@Raz.C Lebanese and Egyptians do, but southern Italians are not that dark, that’s just a Hollywood stereotype. You just have to visit Sicily to see that.

[@Raz.C]

@@ElessarFrey I wouldn't say that ALL southern Italians have olive skin, but rather, to find a person with olive skin in Italy, you'll find more of them in the south, than in the north. I've only ever travelled to Northern Italy (Milano). There were some with olive skin there, though it was the exception, rather than the rule. Very different to my travels through North Africa, Greece and the middle east.

[@mizaeldiaz8325]

Excellent presentation as always. So refreshing!! 👍🏻

[@jakethesnake123]

good video i love watching your debunking content

[@Joao-ur7ey]

Romans aren't the only class of civilization I saw been proclaimed to being nordic by some people, but old greeks and spartans too.

[@eirikarnesen9691]

they where though? its just not supposed to say nordic. its indo european. this is not conspiracy theory, its genetics. this was established fact not long ago, but i guess everyone has gone full retard

[@jacquelineess1141]

Murican blacks claim that too. It's embarrassing when people hate themselves so much that they feel they have to steal other peoples' achievements and contributions to the world.

[@aag3752]

The Levant was NOT and is NOT a region of dark skinned peoples. I'm Lebanese and am white. Many Lebanese and Syrians have light skin, and a significant minority of us have blonde hair and blue eyes.

[@stepinside6579]

I mean, a lot of native Levantine people are a light-ish brown more so than white but ye ig.

[@aag3752]

@@stepinside6579 yeah, that too. But in the northern Levant (Lebanon, Syria), lots of us are light. And even those of us that are tan have the genes for light features (so even tan skinned ones are bound to have like an uncle with blue eyes, or their child might be light skinned). So, def. not as many light skinned people as Britain or anything, but more on par with Southern Europe. But a lot of people don't know this, because they don't travel enough.

[@stepinside6579]

@@aag3752 true, I've met a few ginger Syrians too strangely enough

[@poopoosplatter99]

​@@stepinside6579it's not that crazy when you consider the Byzantine Empire, the endless crusades, crusader kingdoms that existed for some time and anything before that, the western Roman Empire ventures into Syria, northern tribe incursions etc etc. I imagine some dickin' went on across all those years......

[@anthonyshoop575]

I think it is time to reform these styles of video…instead of asking/answering a question , you need only state a fact that can be referenced for all time hence forth. This allows you to focus on the truly amazing content you’ve become known for: deeply researched, analytical and unbiased in as many ways as possible, easily identified types of evidence you use, etc. All neatly packed into some arcane or very famous historical, religious or warfare and cultural videos that only you seem capable of making. Metatron truly is the very best of what KZbin is meant to be. As a fellow Italian it also makes me beam with pride, Keep up the great work.

[@Taty_a_trovejante]

Metatron, it would be really interesting a video where you take a ethnicity dna test, and speaks about your interpretation of the results

[@shirohige291]

Never take these, look who owns all these companies. They always put 1% africa and Juice into it to push their agenda and nobody knows what they are doing with your genes