Metrics not Feelings

Truly understanding the why behind a technique before you implement or criticize, absent of emotion and feelings, is the path to mastery.

[@n4d3m4n]

maybe instead of worrying about where your dot is coming into the window and just looking at the gun in general, you just learn your proper grip and index and present the gun how you need it with the proprioception you've built up from dry fire. Staring at the target, I don't give a fuck where the dot comes from, it just appears on the target. if you start "looking for the dot" you start staring at the gun and making it super complicated and slow. Stare at the target and let the dot come to you. Bonus points if you learn point shooting and can hit the target without seeing the dot.

[@lovetopew9054]

Well said. Just more dumb and hurtful gimmicks being taught.

[@rootpass74]

You should look at a spot on the target and have the dot appear there

[@swiftaudi]

The drop from 12 is an easy way to teach people how to acquire the dot. But the reality is it’s a bad habit that ultimately will end up ingrained in some from over practicing the wrong way. How do I know the escalator (or whatever you want to call it) is better, first it’s simply less distance and movement. Second put your hand by your side look at something small about 5 yards in front of you and go ahead and point at it. Most will simply lift their hand straight up and point, no one brings their finger pointed almost vertical before pointing straight ahead. The only reason you teach people to drop from twelve is because they subconsciously align the gun based off of the slide and just drop the dot into their vision. Just because someone can learn to do something easier one way doesn’t make it the right way. I’d argue it’s a fine way to do it, but it’s not the fastest way. We both no that with enough dry fire you can learn to just bring the window up to the eye like you’re pointing your finger and the dot will be there. How do we do this? A mostly constant grip, and lots of draw practice.

[@strengthculture4030]

I feel like a lot of instructors set up questions for failure. But who cares about my feelings…

[@Kenzaki1010]

These kind of questions is great at making the instructor looks smart and “enlightened” by gaslighting students. 10 out of 10 for self importance.

[@j86633]

The point is to be able to look at a spot on the target and have the dot appear there, not to have it arrive there in a predetermined technique-driven way regardless of where the gun happens to be when you need to present it. You are describing the escalator draw as coming up from 6 but that is not what is happening. The dot is in the center of the window and you're just aligning the window with your eye. In the drop from 12 from the draw you are pointlessly raising the muzzle of the gun and then bringing it back down to be level with your eye. For a guy who talks about "efficiency" all the time it should be clear this is a waste of time. Why are you lifting the muzzle upwards when you are trying to get it horizontal at the end? From a reload, you just look at the spot on the target and present the gun and the dot should appear. If you visible see your dot dropping into/or raising into the window you are just doing it wrong imo. I think you are realizing you're not as hot shit as you thought you were and realize the "drop from 12" technique you've been teaching newbies all these years is dying. Now you're trying to retroactively justify it by saying "be good at both." How bout you get good at looking at the spot on the target and just letting the dot arrive there? Lol.

[@MrSpotfocus]

well said! I could not have said it better! great explanation

[@j86633]

@@MrSpotfocusThank you sir, this crap drives me nuts more and more these days. Spot focus not dot focus as your handle implies haha

[@lovetopew9054]

Unfortunately, gimmick training techniques get the ignorant coming to and coming back to the classes these people teach. And then they’re stuck in mediocrity and can’t figure out why.

[@MrSpotfocus]

@j86633 Happy to connect with like-minded people. To me, being an old school front sight focus guy, hard spot focus, letting the dot appear, with proper index, thanks to proper dryfire, it's the way to go! I am constantly working on being aggressive with my vision, and like Ben Stoeger says, " Not wasting time in over confirmation.

[@j86633]

@@MrSpotfocusthis is the way!

[@chocolate_boy6287]

Thank you sir

[@TheAxe4Ever]

I was able to switch from shooting irons to an optic rather quickly. I think maybe it!s because I never did the “front sight focus” thing. I always shot target focused even with irons. Now, of course in a string of fire I may have glanced back quickly at the front sight during recoil for reference. But target focused for the most part. So going to an optic seemed easy for me. Honestly, I never even thought about how the dot was appearing on the target. 12 or 6. I had to really pay attention presenting slow to notice. For me, it always came from the bottom. But naturally during recoil it always returns from 12. So yes. Learn both. Both are valid.

[@GiveMeThatCake]

Right? Right? Right?

[@hopewilliams6705]

I couldn't get to a sub second first shot from the draw coming in from 12 I got it with the escalator.... Good shit!

[@lovetopew9054]

Could it possibly be that the holster is below your line of sight and that the gun HAS to come up to get the dot where you’re looking? No freaking way! There’s no revolution here. Even the dumbest of the dumb can see the inefficiency of dropping the pistol down from above.

[@Osprey1994]

I didn't know we were allowed to pick and choose. 😂 I just assumed that you needed to learn how to do things more than one way.

[@umbrellacorpmarketingdept7154]

Never has there been a more teacher answer. Definitely been told many times that you’d better be able to do it all the ways. Every of the ways.

[@chap23305]

Why are you looking old Scott...

[@lovetopew9054]

They are both junk and have nothing to do with a proper presentation.

[@MrSpotfocus]

finally, intelligent people in the room!

[@tdbarton7712]

Have you trained with Scott?

[@MrSpotfocus]

@tdbarton7712 No, I just watched what he has posted on KZbin

[@damonaniton]

Shot timer lever lies

[@AntifaareFascists-zv6xk]

Maybe it's because people aren't over exaggerating either instance the way you did and you're just being pretentious about this. Obviously nobody is bringing their pistol down to the six o'clock position AFTER they reload. What is this bullshit. You're giving advice for a problem people don't have.

[@MrSpotfocus]

good to have intelligent people in the room!