Metroid Prime 2 Was A Dark Time For Samus (Analysis)

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Dark Beam the LIKE BUTTON for me if you enjoyed this video. I’m really curious to hear what you guys think about this, please let me know your thoughts about Metroid Prime 2 and if you think it’s been fairly criticized over the years and really needs these updates to it’s gameplay, or if you think there is nothing at all that needs to be changed with the game for the heavily rumored potential Remaster coming in 2024. Thanks for the support.

[@radtzerthecommanda8523]

I beat this one the Gamecube and i AM almost done with the remaster of prime 1, i still want prime 2 to be here again, the Quality of life that you mention are good things that will be usefull will be an upgrade that allow you to regenerate beam ammo, since we have expansión for ammmo then we can have that skill/feature since that will make the grinding for ammmo non neccesary

[@chuckec]

To this day, Echoes is probably my favorite game. No, not just my favorite Metroid, my favorite game. The feelings I get from this moody, murky, alien graveyard are indescribable. Best lore, best puzzles, best bosses. Best Metroid.

[@Chikage_Sensei]

Mine to

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Always great seeing a big fan of Metroid Prime 2 🤘

[@luigi6388]

Indeed

[@valentinchappa6702]

Greatest Human work of all time and space.

[@slipknotmetal8101]

I’m right there with you, 100% agree

[@lukerne9260]

I can't say I agree about the backtracking. The game only forces you to do it a couple of times and each time the level desing is made in a way that quickly puts you back where you need to go. The circular design of the world map also helps in this aspect. It works much better than it did in Prime 1, where I found myself costantly going through Magmoor caverns which is basically a big hallway that connects areas and doesn't even have a boss fight. As for the enviroments, while they could have made the Temple Grounds and Agon Waste a bit more different in their color palette, it works for the mood they were trying to achieve and the art desing is what makes it stand out. The architecture, the patterns on the walls, the various plants, the quality of the textures etc... are all much more distinct and original than what Prime 1 has to offer. Also having rocky mountains, a desert wasteland, a swamp and a hi tech fortress for areas avoids the usual cliché of grass, lava and ice areas many games, Metroid Prime included fall into.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Yeah the backtracking is a "general consensus" thing that the majority of complaints about the game stem. I only don't like the backtracking from the Energy Controller Rooms personally but that's just me.

[@artisanjames182]

SEEKER MISSILES were a cool new power-up in Echoes, to shoot 5 missiles simultaneously and they were used great in boss battles...also love how Mercury Steam brought them back in Dread as the storm missiles...

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Seeker Missiles were an awesome addition yes.

[@artisanjames182]

@@SuperMetalDave64 maybe they will return in Prime 4!

[@McHammer931]

When I first played Echoes I was 11 and was nervous playing it and couldn´t finish it. I came back to it years later and finished it. I absolutely love this game and hope it will get a remaster soon. My favorite Prime game no doubt.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

The game was probably a difficult time for younger players who wanted to finish the game, it did seem rather daunting at the time, even for me and I was over 20 when I played it the first time.

[@GoeTeeks]

The ammo, I think, was designed for the player to use it with intentionality. If you use it right, only using Light beam in Dark Aether (or against Ing possessed enemies), and Dark beam in Light Aether, and you're not just spamming shots of it but taking some time to lock-on and aim/time your shots so they hit, you probably won't notice much issue with running out of ammo. Also taking advantage of Dark beams charged ability to freeze enemies and destroy them with a missile is fun. If you are just spamming Dark and Light shots blindly at everything and running out of ammo, or being too conservative and only using Dark and Light beams for bosses, you're not going to enjoy those systems as much. The design and execution with what they were going for works. They just don't really convey to the player how they should interact with it (although receiving light ammo from enemies defeated with Dark beam and vice versa IS a pretty big hint).

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Right. Personally I never had a problem with the ammo system and never really run out of ammo....which kind of makes it feel like the ammo system isn't really needed. It's all good either way for me.

[@GoeTeeks]

@@SuperMetalDave64 I think it was implemented because Dark and Light beam are both considerably more powerful than the Power beam (I mean, they are basically the Plasma and Ice beams from Prime 1 with different shaders), and you get both of them very early in the game. The developers didn't want you to basically forego the Power beam twenty minutes into the game by using the very powerful Light beam all the time (and occasionally switching to the Dark beam when Light beam was less effective).

[@novustalks7525]

Phazon mines was actually one of the most visually memorable locations from 1

[@novustalks7525]

6:30 Phazon mines was actually one of the most visually memorable locations from 1

[@Xdidx777]

Prime 2 was my first Metroid game ever an honestly its my favorite in prime thus far. The gritty and deadly atmosphere brought something to gaming i personally hadnt experienced. Love prime 1 and 3 but I feel like the puzzles, lore, the death of a species and the war was just crazy. This game was like metroids Dark souls lol

[@GoandLove]

MP1 was my favorite game of all time……. And then I only got through about 4 hours of MP2 before I didn’t pick it up again a decade+ later 😂😭 For me, I was in middle school when MP1 came out, but was just in a really busy stage of high school when MP2 released and then didn’t even bother picking up MP3 when it released when I was in college. I’ve since gone through and completed all 3 and proudly say MP2 is my favorite of the trio 😍 Definitely the hardest and most unsettling. But I remember being so in shock when I made it to the Sanctuary Fortress futuristic sky tower place and had no idea that excised for so many years. Anyways, great video!

[@rp-lopez]

All valid points. I will say though, the doors locking never felt like a nuisance because you can dispatch the dark commandos very quickly with a dark beam charge shot followed with a missile. 5-8 seconds each

[@HighlyReluctantGamer]

Prime 2 is my favorite Metroid game, and is among the greatest games I've ever played. Prime 1 is a brilliant translation of Super Metroid in 3D, just as Ocarina of Time is of A Link to the Past. Prime 2 is where I felt the Prime series developed its own identity, and it knocked it out of the park.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

I agree with the Identity part, Samus was really treading new ground in Metroid Prime 2 for sure.

[@slayernoname980]

I always liked the feeling of tension as I have defeated the area boss and grabbed the energy low health just yoinked the light now I need to escape the dark world as the ing desperately try to stop Samus

[@SuperMetalDave64]

I can understand that, but there is no real benefit or usefullness in backtracking just to put the energy into the same room in the light world imo, that's why I mentioned just adding a portal there to complete that job.

[@ZeldaSam1]

1.) Make the Boost, Spider & Gravity Boost Guardians easier. 2.) Put Light portals near Dark Aether Energy Controllers. 3.) There should be a checkpoint after defeating the Emperor Ing & facing Dark Samus the 3rd time. 4.) Lock doors for Dark Commandos > 1st time only!!! 5.) No ammo limitations for Light, Dark & Ahnililator beams.

[@WiseSoDelirious47]

There's no way METROID PRIME 2 ECHOES isn't getting a REMASTERED!

[@SuperMetalDave64]

It wouldn't make sense for it not to be right? Some don't think it will happen, but how could they release Prime 1 and the just expect people to buy Prime 4 with no context on the games in between?

[@jasonalexanderblack1325]

Metroid Prime 2 is AWESOME and better than some thought looking back, you’re right though, the game had a lot going against it when it came out.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Metroid Prime 2 was a hard sell for some in 2004.

[@BSBD78]

@@SuperMetalDave64How? Thats a sincere question. The game got very, very good reviews at the time of its release. Between the great reviews, the positive comments I’ve read online about it and the strong desire for a remaster from the fans…the “hard sell” comment seems like a bit much.

[@olivier4916]

Metroid prime 2 is my favorite after Super Metroid Both in my top ten favorite games of all time

[@Chikage_Sensei]

Prime 2 is my favorite game of all time

[@SuperMetalDave64]

You aren't alone here in the comments.

[@SanjiGenial]

It's my favorite MP game and I don't think there is any issue with the game. It also has the best looking area (sanctuary fortress). I LOVE backtracking and I love it in MP2.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

You're in good company here. A lot of games that don't resonate with "the masses" have a strong dedicated fanbase that love it. Metroid Prime 2 is one of the best examples of that.

[@DarkStar23137]

My favorite Metroid game of all time!

[@SuperMetalDave64]

You're in good company in the comments here :)

[@akario973]

Prime 1 Had the perfect Beam system allowing you to freely switch between them and use them to your hearts content (a step forward). Prime 2 limited you with beam ammo and also had less beams especially the annihilator beam was nearly useless since it ate your ammo (wrong direction). Prime 3 just replaced your beam essentially beam upgrade (a step back) while its a fine system and works great just like the classics, they had made a better, more rewarding and fun system in Prime 1.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

The ammo system does kind of feel not needed tbh when you just can farm some plants and get all of it back really quickly. Prime 2 is the only Prime game to have ammo for your beam too.

[@lukerne9260]

The beam ammo is one of the best upgrades from Prime 1. It adds a lot more depth to the combat, as you now have a reason to use all the beams unlike Prime 1 where the only reason to switch is when you see an enemy of a specific color. The energy beam is weaker but doesn't have ammo, the dark beam is stronger in the light world and the light beam is stronger in the dark world. The fact that killing an enemy with one beam gives you the ammo for the other is also a great mechanic, forcing you to think more about what's the best beam to use if you want to keep ammo of a certain beam. All of this adds a layer of strategy that's completely missing in Prime 1, where 95% of the time you're just mindlessly mashing whichever beam you have selected with no repercussions.

[@shadonxarian4177]

​@lukerne9260 As a kid i hated the ammo. I was always out, meaning I couldn't play properly. Now that I'm older, there's so much ammo you can get (almost) always that having ammo is pointless because you pretty much have unlimited anyway.

[@lukerne9260]

@@shadonxarian4177 if you're playing well, not wasting shots, be smart about which beam you choose, and refill anytime you can, you always have ammo and that's a good thing.

[@GoeTeeks]

@@shadonxarian4177 They definitely made ammo with the idea that you be intentional with which beams you use, when, and to not just spam them. That's the design of the ammo system and it works quite well. Unfortunately they do very little to convey this design to players who just like to spam whatever is strongest, or likes to save limited resources for only when needed/big boss battles.

[@Fraxzor]

I never completed this because of the countdown at the end of the game, couldn't figure out how to damage dark samus and if you fail you had to fight the previous boss again which was not easy. They should at least put a checkpoint inbetween these fights in the remaster.

[@andreasklein525]

100 %

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

Honestly, I don't really expect them to do anything regarding fast travel since that wasn't included in MP1. That said, I'm really looking forward to MP2 Remastered since I never really got the chance to play it on the GameCube. Great video!

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Thanks for the comment. To be fair, I wasn't really asking for fast travel, more so just adding a portal in the Energy Controller room. Otherwise, yeah I doubt any straight up fast travel will happen.

[@Gamxin]

@@SuperMetalDave64 There are already portals in the energy controller rooms though, you just can't use them until you get the Light Suit.

[@jenniferpolk9579]

Love all the Metroid Prime games...they are all unique in their own way❤

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Same here. I just want more to enjoy the series overall, Metroid Prime fans can look over some of the things I mentioned in Metroid Prime 2, but some of the quality of life improvements could really help others want to play it and keep playing.

[@jenniferpolk9579]

I am looking forward to Metroid Prime Echoes remastered also...and I always appreciate your insight into these beloved games Dave

[@maikelphoenix]

Personally at first I also was sceptic on the ammo in Prime 2 but learned to love it and it was one of the best decisions made by the developers, also the fact it was so hard made me love it even more. I would be pro to the upgrades as mentioned and the QoL updates, but also prefer it to be as difficult as the original Gamecube version. The much easier Wii version they could call that Casual mode or easy mode or something. Then the normal mode as GC difficult was and we need the hard mode back as well. Prime 2 to this date is my favorite Prime game and probably my most favorite Metroid game of all time. Perhaps the people who found it to difficult never played A Link to the Past 🤔 which was quite similair in the light and dark world idea, or better said that idea was used for Prime 2 🤔

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Thanks for the comment, you are in the minority in terms of liking the ammo system, I've already seen multiple comments from others that say they didn't like that part of the game. Yeah I hope they go with the GC difficulty on the Remaster. Just give us more options, and QOL can also be something optional or have it be "like for like" with the GC game as a choice, since it wouldn't be hard to do. Small changes (not making it easier, but more so to the map/travel etc) can make it a lot more accessible to new players.

[@TheSpeedOfVideo]

Awesome Sylux pic, excited for him in prime 4

[@maikelphoenix]

@@SuperMetalDave64 I believe the idea of the ammo especially early on kinda forced you as a player to play more strategic instead of all guns blazin, but I also understand it's not for everyone. If you had unlimited ammo on Light, Dark (and later Annihilator beam using both ammos) I sincery believe you would be way to overpowered as player. But if played properly(some early backtracking) you could obtain an additional ammo expansion prior to every main boss, giving you 100 Ammo at Armorbis, 150 at the bug boss (forgot its name Dark Cheeka or something?) And a whopping 200 for Quadraxis, which btw was my second favorite boss in the game he was awesome. Emperor Ing was badass though, but Quadraxis sheer size alone was ridiculous and Metroid style awesome. I do like to know what others didn't like about the game besides the ammo and the darker tones, especially as you said early on.

[@darrenmartinez4013]

Great video Dave, btw if anyone thinks Nintendo can skip Metroid Prime 2 and 3 Remasters and just release Prime 4 should keep in mind that there would be NO PRIME 4 without Prime 2 and 3. It’s happening.

[@groudonor12]

Facts, they also have to consider Hunters and FF in terms of lore perspective

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Can't disagree with that.

[@michaellane5381]

It does make you wonder... Should they remake FF in an actual prime art style(no Chibi) would it be worth it? Hunters seems worth it remastered eventually just to have a version on switch but with FF they could redeem its place in the franchise.

[@majorblazer8808]

Prime 2 is definitely my favorite, but I agree with most of this. I played it first on the Wii, then the Gamecube version on Dolphin twice, but the second time I couldn't beat Emperor Ing. Just too tough! I love it though

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Yeah the GC version's normal mode is actually equal to the Wii version of Prime 2's "Veteran" difficulty.

[@phazonphlakes]

Prime 2 is my favorite game of all time. Well I guess it’s tied with Bloodborne now 😂. A lot of these points are fair criticism but they have never distracted from the the overall package of this game. The ammo makes combat way more tactical and fun compared to the other prime games. The music atmosphere and environments are way more interesting and moody. When I first played I was a little turned off by again waste until I started reading the lore and realizing it used to be a beautiful grassland before the collision. The difficulty spike also makes revisiting this game so much fun too. Also love the dark world and how stressful it is. It really makes you free it in the beginning and as you get stronger the threat starts to reduce. I think a remaster could also really help the dark world. It is held back with the muddy textures of the GameCube. If we got some new lighting and clean textures the dark world would really pop, especially on an oled. Anyways I could gush about prime 2 all day. Love it to death and I pray Nintendo gives it a proper remaster.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Hey, you're in good company here. I'm an obvious Metroid Mega fan myself, I love Metroid Prime 2, sure it has flaws like any game, but it's a legendary game for sure. Mainly the improvements I mention can be optional but the goal would be to attract more players to the game so they don't give up on the game after playing for a couple hours.

[@VoidedMirror]

Echoes is my favorite Metroid game. It's the game that got me into the Metroid series. The atmosphere and music in that game is unmatched. If it were to get a remaster on the level of Prime Remaster it would be my dream.

[@juangabriel5775]

The game wasn't bad at all it was just unforgivingly difficult and on top of that the enormous world made it a rage quitter but it was worth it when you beat it

[@olivia_maxwell]

I was getting lost often and having trouble remembering what world to go to so I eventually took a extra trip to pick up the strategy guide and normally I don't use them. the bosses have more of a challenge I think compared to prime 1 and as far as the overall look of the game, I think they made a great choice by giving the it a more serious tone.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Thanks Olivia for sharing your thoughts. Good points.

[@jimphilidor9031]

This is my favorite in the series. It's incredible. It might have flaws but when replaying the flaws become just features.

[@ChewyMovesQuick]

I just finished metroid prime 2 for the first time last night and I feel like I would have had so so so so much more fun if there was an option to have the keys marked on the map or just have less keys. The scavenger hunt for 18 keys is just not fun.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Yeah a lot of people don't seem to enjoy looking for those keys. Howver one thing to keep in mind is that all the Keys will always be locted in the Dark World, and there are small hints in the log as to where each key location is.

[@Joseph928100]

I remember the first time I played I wasn't impressed but every time I replay it I like it more and more to now its one of my faves

[@SuperMetalDave64]

This was more common a reaction to Prime 2 than many realize. Same here actually.

[@markfields5214]

Love the style of Prime 2. The Dark Suit is my favorite out of all of her suits. I can't wait for the remaster to come out. I can believe they haven't released it yet.

[@RealAyoTark]

Content, on my favourite game series?? Don't mind if I do!

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Thanks for the coming by :)

[@johnjackson9751]

Echoes is the best game in the series.

[@BeLeaf789]

dope video! great analysis

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Thank you :)

[@TheKritken]

Dark pirate commandos are a noobs trap. Take them out quickly by freezing them with a charged dark beam shot then shatter them with a missile

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Yeah I realize that (I was doing that in my previous stream of the game a couple months ago), but that doesn't change the fact that the door still locks on you either way.

[@TheKritken]

Door locked by commandos happens but not always. However I agree, player should be able to skip pass them@@SuperMetalDave64

[@ArmaBiologica35]

"Metroid Prime 2 Echoes is not as visually interesting as Metroid Prime 1." First of all, Yes It is, every area has diverse flora, fauna and architecture that's on par with what you find in Metroid Prime 1. Second, The fact the areas look the way they do has lore implications. The planet has been at war for decades and has experienced all kinds of natural disasters. Do you really expect an alien planet to look like Earth?

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Torvus Bog and Santuary Fortress look better than a lot of areas in Metroid Prime 1, and far better and more unique than Temple Grounds and Agon Wastes. I was only talking about the first parts of the game falling a bit flat in their presentation.

[@weeboutthere427]

The only time I ever crapped my pants in public was playing an Echoes demo at circuit city when I was 9. If that doesn't earn your stripes as a Metroid fan, idk what does.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

I think I remember that demo disc, back when Nintendo did them. Nice.

[@bodacious117]

I think prime 2 didn’t sell near as well cause it came out basically same time as halo 2 and everyone wanted to play halo 2 at the time.. a 92 on metacritic is still amazing even though it wasn’t on the same level as prime 1s 97

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Halo 2 was a much bigger game selling to the masses and was a lot different vs Metroid Prime 2 in terms of it's isolation gameplay. Perhaps being in 1st person game people the wrong idea to compare it to Halo 2 back in 2004 since it could be easy for someone to say "Halo 2 is way better" when they are totally different types of games.

[@bodacious117]

@@SuperMetalDave64 yeah I get that I’m just saying I feel like it would have sold at least double what it did if it would have come out maybe November of 2005 instead of 2004

[@PIMPTD]

Prime one was the whole reason I bought a GameCube. When I heard of prime 2 I had to get it. Took me while to beat but I was never big fan of it. Of course my game style probably didn’t help. I got tired waiting in every bubble for my health to be back to 100. I rarely used the other beams because of ammo. I always worried what if I need it later. I get to due to story thing I loved in prime one couldn’t be there. The amazing environments with music and creatures. Instead everything looked the same with ink creatures. Love to eventually play it again but I get ppl loving it and ppl hating it.

[@Insert_Bland_Name_Here]

Widely considered to be the black sheep of the Metroid Prime franchise, yet it's actually one of my favorite Metroid games. It's leagues ahead of Corruption, at least.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

I also like it better than Prime 3. Amazing game.

[@robertkenny1201]

So Hunters, Pinball and Federation force don't count do to being spinoff games.

[@supershade2009]

The only change I feel is absolutely necessary is stopping the pirate commandos from locking the doors every time. It's consistently been one of my most disliked things about the game. I have this bad feeling the rerelease will just be an HD port and won't fix anything, but I would really love for them to get rid of the commandos, or at least stop them from locking the doors after the first time through as you suggested.

[@thejdmunknown4228]

My favorite metroid prime

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Many share that sentiment.

[@jensgur]

Preach

[@Truthseeker450]

Me too.

[@serioussponge6416]

Metroid Prime 2 is my favorite of the Prime series but it terrified me as a kid that about just after I got through the Agon Wastes chapter, I remember exploring a bit and stumbled into the *Sky Temple Grounds* and I remember trying to make my way through and getting lost in the bad weather areas where it was impossible to see anything because I didn't have the Dark Visor (didn't even know it existed yet at that point) to say nothing of the especially creepy ass music for that area. Eventually, as I recall it, when I encountered the Hunter Ing that was the last straw for child me's nerves and I immediately turned off my Game Cube and never came back to MP 2 until I was in High School.

[@Matthordika]

This is probably my favourite Metroid game (though Dread is making a strong case). It used to be Prime 1, but on my latest playthrough everything just clicked with me! The moody intro, the mystery of Aether, the atmosphere throughout. Don't know how Temple Grounds and Agon Wastes look the same, they always seemed different to me. And no, neither have tons of colours, but you know, this is Metroid. Thats how it builds its great atmosphere. And Dark Aether had atmosphere in spades! I think its important to note you're never in there too long, and its map is way more condensed and usually sectioned off into pieces. Didn't even mention the beauty of the Sanctuary Fortress too!

[@Boostdvr6]

Bring back 16 bit Metroid!!!

[@SuperMetalDave64]

You want a Metroid game that looks just like Super Metroid? I could see that being cool, but overall more Metroid Dread types will probably make most fans happy.

[@robertkenny1201]

I heard that Ing in this game actually descended from the Phaz-Ing aka the Phazon variant of Inglets encountered late in Metroid Prime 3 Corruption. It's said that the Phaz Ing that were on the Leviathan that crashed into Aether and toar open the the rift that created the Dark Aether Dimension, we're some how altered or simply evolved from beings of Phazon to beings of Darkness.

[@BenRiley83]

Great video! Thank you! When I first played this game on the GameCube, I absolutely loved it!! The boss fights were incredibly tough! I got to the end where you’re supposed to get the keys to fight the final boss and I regret to this day that I stopped playing and never finished it! Hopefully a remaster comes and I can finally finish the game all these years later!

[@slipknotmetal8101]

Honestly there was almost no times during my MP3 corruption play through where I actually enjoyed myself or had fun like the rest of the franchise. It was only the boss fights that kept me somewhat wanting to play it to the end

[@SillyPlanet92]

MP2 was my first Metroid game. I played it when I was 11. I was definitely drawn in by the shiny silver cover. I got stuck early on. I remember the atmosphere feeling really spooky

[@Duke_of_Petchington]

I Don't know what the issue is with prime 2, I quite enjoyed MP2:E

[@SuperMetalDave64]

I get you, but there were many that just didn't like it that much after experiencing Metroid Prime 1 first.

[@Duke_of_Petchington]

@@SuperMetalDave64 my most grudging thing about MP2:E is it's environmental story telling in the beginning with federation, which creates a paradox in the story. the reason Samus is there is because of them but at the same time, they didn't bring all that stuff to build their base with on GFS Tyr which is too small to do it on its own.

[@darkblades1201]

Adding portals to the controller rooms would ruin a few enemy encounters that actually net you upgrades. As well as it would probably change the game from being a "Remaster" (just upgrading the graphics and controller changes) to being a "Remake" (completely redesigning the game even if its a few areas or small things, such as adding portals where there werent before). As well as some of the portals to the light world from the boss fights arent even that far. The one from the swamp (forgot its name) is literally like 2 rooms over for the portal and one from from where the actual boss fight was (i could be wrong its been awhile since i played)

[@eljuli1003]

In Metroid prime 4, Samus will have 2 cannons, the left hand will be some kind of iron man hand, full of gimmicks.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Hopefully not lol.

[@superprime851]

I always find it hard when choosing my favorite Metroid game. All bar the one we do not speak of, I have really enjoyed. Metroid Prime 2 was hard to get into, but I'm glad I stuck with, because it was really amazing in its on right. If they do a remaster of it next year I'll be supporting it day one. I've replayed the first remaster and unlocked all the artwork and soundtrack. I still play through it even after getting everything I can from it, its just that good and I know MP2 deserves the same kind of attention from me as well. I'm looking forward to 2024 and made sure to put money in the savings account for the new switch, MP4 and the hopefully the remaster of MP2 and MP3.

[@eddieanderson9399]

How about collecting items throughout the game like the poes underground in Tear of the Kingdom where as you progress through the game you can trade them in or buy or install them into a device or mechanism where u can SAVE game in a state or make a transport/teleport device where u can warp to whenever u feel like u want to take a break from the game and continue later. You can have different save states too. Upon future replays you can choose to collect or not collect these items as you wish. These items can also allow for acquiring other things as well.

[@anthonybelvedere1389]

the best part of that game were the bosses. it felt tedious going back and forth between light and dark. apparently it was extremely underfunded and retro had alot more ideas that should have been implemented. the dark world wasnt supposed to be so drab

[@irvyne6111]

You hit the nail on the head. I’ve really enjoyed playing Echoes in the past, but even at launch, I was struck by how dull and drab it all looked. The final high-tech area stood out as looking really cool, but overall its visual style came across as really unappealing.

[@xaif4888]

I would say I look back on MP2 most fondly out of the whole series! My main issue with it was the complete lack of connection between the dark and light worlds. They advertised you'd be able to manipulate things in each world that would affect the other, but it was pretty mundane what was actually done. The Dark Visor was the biggest let down, I thought it would allow you to peer into Dark Aether from Light Aether, and then directly influence things between each world. Ultimately it was just a reskin of the X-ray visor...

[@flygonkerel781]

WTF???? Echoes is amazing!!!!

[@robertkenny1201]

This just makes me want a HD Remaster of this game even more.

[@stevenrippo6089]

I’m one of the few who played it all the way through when it first came out and I LOVED the game. I can’t wait for a remaster to replay it.

[@Jon0387]

I struggled with this game when it first came out. I loved the first but couldn’t figure out how to finish the second. I revised a few years later and had to use a complete walkthrough in the early days of KZbin to get through it.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Those QOL improvements I mentioned could be for you then.

[@50zezima]

As someone who's never had the chance to play Echoes. I am deeply looking forward to them remastering it and showing it the same love as the prime one remaster. But I also feel the same about corruption which I have played. I hope that they will do it for all three, even if it takes longer.

[@JohnathanLaFey]

stoked for this 🔥

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Thanks for the support 👍

[@truthseekingsigma4741]

I greatly enjoyed MP2, possibly more than the first, I can see why some didn’t, mainly the lack of vibrancy in the different environments but that’s not to say the game wasn’t a graphical masterpiece, because it sure was, players must understand that this wasn’t Tallon 4, but I liked the spider like ing creatures and I feel like the boss battles were better especially when you consider 3 confrontations with dark samus, and what about the story? Prime 2 had more going on, it was how many factions? Samus, Dark Samus, the Ing, the chozo like beings(I forget their names) and a slight bit of the Space Marines, all in one. Once I got in I was determined to finish and was greatly satisfied when I beat it way back then. I hope to see it Remastered!

[@logansewell2378]

Prime 1 was my first Prime and also my favorite, but Prime 2 was the first one I beat. So I love it dearly. I hope it gets a remaster next year

[@chozochiefxiii3298]

I think the majority just couldn't handle the bleak atmosphere and overall increase in difficulty (two whole maps, beam ammo, enemies being more complex and hitting harder, more spread out save points, dark aethers toxic air). My story honestly mirrors the majority. Never making it 3 hours into prime 2 and dropping it because all the metroid youtubers said prime 1 is better. I saw a new metroid fan play prime 2, he appreciated the difficulty and extra complexity and it made me give the game a second chance. It became my favorite of the trilogy. I don't have it memorized as well as I have Prime 1 but I still love exploring Aether. Retro specifically made the best handled power up in the franchise. Spoilers for those who haven't played. The Light Suit being the culmination of your struggle through Dark Aether while making you immune to the hostile planets atmosphere. Its so rewarding and cathartic. Probably the best victory lap in the franchise in my opinion.

[@zenithquasar9623]

I need Echoes remaster like the Prime, really loved playing the remaster!

[@anwaralballam]

Keep up the good work

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Thank you, appreciate it

[@andretits]

Literally just finished playing echoes for the first time maybe a week ago love the timing of this. Currently playing through corruption

[@starknightlumina8680]

Prime 2 was my first ever Metroid game, and is still my favorite of the Prime games. If they remaster or remake Prime 2, they should to do what they did for Prime 1. I don't mean just give it a graphical facelift, that would be awesome, but they shouldn't touch much structurally. Prime 1 has problems, but they didn't change any of them. It's the same experience from the Gamecube, but with better graphics and new controls. This is what Prime 2 and 3 remasters should be as well. The only thing I would change in Prime 2 is to keep the difficulty changes of the Boost and Spider Guardians from Prime Trilogy.

[@andreasklein525]

My definate favorite Metroid. The paralel dark world adds a lot more playtime, which is a great plus. i agree that its challenging to come up with areas that are not the usual bunch. Agon wastes imo had much wasted potential. The music was not good enogh & as a sandworld, there were so many things they coulda done . . . like with Maridia, where sinking into sand gets you to secret places & could act as shortcuts. Thats my only complaint though. The other worlds are superb with great music. i have an idea on how to incorporate ammo: How about you have a general resource system (like aeon in dread). That would be "energy". Everything except for opening doors would be fueled by energy. You just would have to manage that energy supply

[@ryanpercival9823]

I'm playing trilogy on Primehack, and I have 1 question... How did you get the game to look that good? I mainly am talking about the added bloom, and sharper textures, like on the arm cannon. I really noticed it on the light beam cannon. The starting area you showed at the end with the Luminoth violet door, with all the red weeds, also looked touched up graphically.

[@AluccardX]

Nice Video. Prime 1 is one of my favorite games and I couldn't wait to get Prime 2 at launch. After playing it though, I didn't feel compelled to keep going. I really didn't like the light/dark mechanic at all. It always seems like a lazy way for developers to double the size of a game with little effort. I went back and 100% it a few years later and really enjoyed it. But I've never had a desire to go back and play it again.

[@justan324]

i did recently play prime 2 agian with the primehack emulator and i did enjoy it, if they do remaster it id like an opition that enables inf beam ammo for the light and dark beams. was kinda just off you had to manage ammo for a beam weapon

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Yeah I've heard some say that as well, almost like the Beam ammo doesn't really mean as much as they make it seem like in the game, but I kind of doubt they'll change that.

[@kellykiel5319]

Metroid prime 2 is such an awesome game. If the quality of life features were implemented, it would truly let this title shine as there are so many well-crafted and memorable areas. The atmosphere throughout is also very engaging with fantastic visual and sound design.😎

[@will_it_work]

They're not going to add portals in the remaster. This, like MPR, will be running the same code, with only its graphics being updated. These are not remakes, they are remasters.

[@JuanDiaz-jo1rw]

The only thing I can say for MP2 is that the levels felt a bit empty when it came to the environment immersion. And the same monsters just keep spawning when you keep passing through the same area back and forth. I don't care much for a teleportation device because after you kill the boss, you would get an update that would allow you to access something as you backtrack into the light world. Backtracking also works as a reminder to where the things you want to collect are. Plus, I like the exploration aspect of the game. The only issue I have is that the backtracking, for the most part, is over the same area, and it does get a bit boring. If MP2 was more of an open world, it would be better to take different paths to get to the same area. Other than that, I love MP2.

[@KnightedSilverWolf]

Prime 2 is not the black sheep. thats prime 3 it also has things in common with prime 1 prime 3 is the big game changer each game has its own pirates backtracking is extremely fun? HOW? speedboost, spiderball, power bomb and grapple boss all suck and the first three did too much damage it does have a hint system, its just not good, otherwise it would be handholding quick travel via more light beams

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Backtracking in Prime games and Metroid games in general is considered extremely fun when it's designed correctly, yes. It's the reward for unlocking your new powers, you get to go back and find new areas in the eariler areas you explored.

[@danytargaerys712]

I really love Echoes. But it was difficult and some spots were very frustrating. It's highly rewarding, but you need tenacity to enjoy it..

[@joshuaturner1072]

I think a big reason people don't appreciate Prime 2 as much is that a lot of Prime 1's appeal was newness. Prime 2 is my favorite in the Prime series. It's the closest to duplicating the dread of the original NES Metroid. One of my friends never finished it because it gave him anxiety. It's a great game and wholly underappreciated in my view.

[@WilberforceWooster]

The only suggestion I have after playing the first remaster is start with Hard mode unlocked. Not that these games are long, but after 6 or 7 times beating each across various releases, it is bit annoying having to play with the training wheels on before you get to the real game.

[@brxathartic2504]

Personally, I like MP1 the best of the trilogy. My only "complaint" about MP2 was the ammo. Though, I thoroughly loved the game. I beat it and only thought it to be slightly less fun than MP1.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

That's the third comment or so that I've noticed from people talking about how they didn't like the ammo system. I could manage it, but yeah I never felt it was really needed to have either way, like I didn't feel in danger of running out of ammo at any time so why need ammo? It was an odd thing.

[@lukasmeza2352]

This is my favorite of the prime games, so dark and moody, exxellent bosses, music and designs. The story and the luminoth were great too

[@Quadraxis1]

Metroid Prime 2 has and always will be my favorite Metroid game.

[@GerOB1988]

Before I watched this video, I thought the only reason I didnt like the game was the soundtrack. Didnt realise the later parts of the game are good as I stopped after a few hours. I might give it a try

[@DarkBlade6690]

Speaking of minor things. Pro players know that you don't need to return the energies to the Agon Waste or Torvus Bog temples! The only one that matters is the Sanctuary Fortress energy because it triggers the last part of the game where you collect the Light Suit and search for the Dark Sky Temple keys.

[@biochemRhapsody]

Re: backtracking.The Sky Temple keys in MP2 are bad and worse than the MP1 artifacts in two ways. First, all the keys are in Ing Caches, so collecting them all follow the same procedure - go to the dark world, find the cache, shoot it, done. Compare that to collecting the artifacts in MP1 - each artifact had different requirements to collect, and a different puzzle to complete. Second, in in MP1, you can collect most of the artifacts while you're doing other things; Newborn is the only one that you must wait for. Even then it's a pretty short trip from the Omega Pirate. While in MP2, only 3 keys can be collected without the light suit (I know one or two can be gotten via high energy, but still), meaning that most of the keys and therefore most of the backtracking can only be done at the very end of the game! It kills the pacing - What should have happened is you get the light suit, grab the few upgrades locked behind the light pillars, get the last key, and then you're off to the Emperor. But instead you have to run all over Aether and visit every corner of the map and do the same thing 6 or 7 times to get each key. It's a slog.

[@biochemRhapsody]

That said, I love MP2 and it is one of my favorite Metroids - it's just that final segment always bums me out

[@antipusrises]

Metroid Prime 2 is the best of the series, in my opinion. The levels are more interesting, the music is great, and it’s a bigger challenge. Edit: I happen to love the design aesthetics of the world design, even the Temple Grounds and Agon Waste, and I could play around in that space forever. Maybe that’s why I love MP2 more than the average Metroid fan.

[@VampireNoblesse]

want a NGC OG mode.., but for today, markers or/and portals might be needed, to reach more players

[@Escarietson]

One gameplay "fix" I would like to see is giving us the ability to rapid fire missiles like we were able to do in Prime 1, just to make them a little more useful and more fun to play with. But they should also allow us to be able to do that regardless of what beam you're using, unlike Prime 1 and the OG Prime 2. As for "Portal at the Dark Energy Control Unit" part, those should be one-way portals only. If there is a portal in the light world, that would be cheating. Yet I wonder if they are going to keep the novelty multiplayer mode it had? If so are they going to give it the simple remastered treatment, or power it up for online play? Who knows... I expect the hard mode to be on par with Prime 1 Remasters hard mode; brutal, a real challenge.

[@SuperMetalDave64]

Thanks for the comment. I agree that it would be best (if they did it) to make it a one way portal from the Dark World area only, so you just appear in the light world from a burst of light with no way back from that area you appear in. Good suggestion.

[@robertkenny1201]

I admit Metroid Prime 2 Echoes failed to live up to the hype Prime 1 achieved, I still think it deserves a HD Remaster.

[@recht_voor_zijn_raap5506]

Unpopular opinion: Metroid Prime 2 was imo the best Metroid game with both Super Metroid and Metroid Prime 1 very close on a 2nd and 3rd place respectively. Don't get me wrong, I love this franchise and especially these 3 games can be considered as some of the best games of all time. But MP2 did one thing the best of all the Metroid Games: ATMOSPHERE. I'm a huge fan of great atmosphere in games and MP2 absolutely nailed it. From the creepy "Aliens" like opening with all the dead space marines all the way to the climatic 3rd battle against Dark Samus while the dark dimension was about to collapse.. The atmosphere was of the charts. You absolutely dreaded to enter the dark dimension and not only because of the great and creepy atmosphere, but because said atmosphere could actually kill you! So it started to invoke the feeling of dread and MP2 at some points almost played and felt like a Sci Fi horror game. Truly a stroke of genius by the developers (although some critics and fans hated the dark dimension) But every part of it was done to perfection.. The eerie music, extremely though enemies at certain points and the constant danger adding to the horror feel of the game. And Light Aether wasn't devoid of great atmosphere either btw. Especially Torvus Bog and Sanctuary Fortress were beautiful and extremely wel made designwise. Imo its one of the best games ever made and sadly criminally underrated.

[@av3nger3]

Metroid Prime 2's science-fiction atmosphere was truly wonderful and unique. One of the best scifi aesthetics ever, up there with Doom 3 and Frigate Orpheon from MP1.

[@jesserb90]

I always considered MP3 to be the weakest of the Prime series. I absolutely adored MP2 when it came out. I remember getting the issue of Nintendo Power that first featured this game; I was in love with the darker aesthetic.

[@wantsome-zs5sq]

There's only 1 game I like more then MP2 and that's Super Metroid. What makes MP2 so appealing to me is how dark it is.

[@oldenvye6432]

I respect Echoes for what it was trying to do but I found traversing the many light to dark areas and the inhospitable environments therein tedious and depressing. It took me three attempts to finally finish it and it ended up being a slog as there was always this nagging feeling that had stopped me halfway that I wasn't really enjoying what I was doing ... The game had everything going for it - The visuals were a step up, the music was fantastic and the atmosphere was incredible. But when you have a large portion of that game with an atmosphere that is so dark and dreary it's not something that I wanted to go back to and I actively tried to avoid it as it just wasn't fun to play - I never had such a problem playing Prime or Corruption.

[@theinfinity7s]

To be honest, I was a little too critical of Prime 1 so much I was disappointed a little when Iplayed it first. Prime 2 was the Metroid game I wanted. Those suits were so damn awesome. Plus, screwattack made its 3D debut here.