Problems with Being a Storyboard Artist Right Now 😕 DRAW WITH ME

[@PHILF-pv9dy]

Currently working as a storyboard artist on a 3D kid show. A position that most would envy. I have to say: This is hell. The pay is 68 000$ can and I need to cut corners all the time. No time for thumbnails. Almost no time for rough. I have 4 weeks to board 14 pages of action. Its usually 1000 panels minimum and 200 scenes minimum. If you just go straight to clean that's 50-60 panels a day from the script to an animatic. Calculate how ever you want, it's around 4.5 minutes per panel and more often you need to draw multiple characters, the bg, the important elements they are interacting with, the weird camera angles, the camera moves and create the animatic. They way to go is Kim Jung Gi style. No rough, no clean. Every mark count. You need to perfectly draw your ideas on the first shot. Imagine drawing with only a black sharpie where you can't miss, because if you do you are suddenly late. The skills required to be able to just keep the job is insane. We are already on the edge and I feel like every script is just getting heavier in demands. To anybody comtemplating getting in the business because it look cool or you get paid to do what you love: just dont. You will pay with your health.

[@obara7366]

Oh, so it sounds like most of the time storyboarding is not enough and they basically make you key animate. Fuck, that's rough. I'm only in my 2nd semester of animation and I have 2 more years to go. It' simportant to know the state of the industry and your videos have always been especially helpful.

[@mewTripled]

Yeah the expectations are growing, and it's been more difficult with the rise of streaming projects that usually have a shorter timeline / budget, yet demand a lot of work! I hope maybe by the time your graduate there will be more regulation on that!

[@subterranean327]

This is the direction that many industries, entertainment and not, have taken. You have to be a jack-of-all-trades just to get your foot in the door.

[@rockon8174]

Depends on the studio.

[@massimilianolucania9767]

Finally someone is raising their voices. I have been a storyboard artist for tv since 2006 and I literally saw this craft morphing from one type of job to many : animating with dozens of poses, the precision of an architect required with the backgrounds that feels more like doing layout rather than boards, the timing, the editing, the sound effects, the dialogues…) and I’m a freelancer ( in Italy, having worked on international productions for Netflix, Disney Junior, Nick …) which means never had paid overtime , vacations or stuff like that. Last year I worked on a production ( which I must say I liked the show per se) , I started in January, ended in August, I believe I only didn’t work for something like 5 weekends… all the rest of the days and the weekends in that time span was a loop of work. By august I was literally exhausted, even more than exhausted . Working in animation was my childhood dream, I chose this job, been lucky enough to have continuous work for all these years and making a living out of it, but as much as I love this job, sometimes I feel like quitting and opening an Onlyfans account.

[@hopevity]

lol that last part is funny

[@baby_fork4955]

Last part got me

[@baby_fork4955]

Also serious talk I am someone who wants to pursue animation as a full time career. Do you have any advice? If yes, please let me know

[@pongoleelee2130]

Im an animation student currently in my second year. I want to thank you so much for sharing this information about what to expect if I ever land a job in the industry. Even though it is important to hear, information like this causes me to really rethink my career choices and if a job in animation is something I truly want. It’s honestly very scary, thinking for most of my life that this is what I want to do and suddenly realizing it might not be what I expected it to be. Sorry for the rant, thank you for your knowledge tho ❤️

[@mittirezi]

Wow I love your point of view !! 👍👍

[@rockon8174]

Get your first job, then decide from there.

[@paloma4444]

Dont do it. I regret it.

[@snugray_p1659]

@@paloma4444 What things specifically do you regret?

[@paloma4444]

@@snugray_p1659 it is not a good time to get into the industry basically.

[@Akaynonek]

its the same with concept art in gamedev. before you just had to have good portfolio and know how to use Ps. Now on job applications its: expirience using unity, texturing, use of some 3d software. I've seen one where they didn't beat around the bush and said "3D/2D artist/animator/CIRCUS PERFORMER" xD

[@rockon8174]

That's how small game studios work. Always been this way. The bigger the studio, the more specific the task.

[@exclamation.]

lmao i appreciate the honesty

[@natacreation2307]

i was a storyboard artist intern for this game company and ngl i realised my position kept changing from storyboard to concept art to character design touch up to 3d texture then to environment visual development. and when it comes to my resume, i was a little confused as to what is my main position when i work there since i technically move around a lot. it was stressful but the colleagues are kind and friendly so eventually i was able to go through it.

[@Michealtravel]

Hello as a storyboard artist how do you get jobs ? My wife is a storyboard artist unfortunately we can’t get jobs anyhow …. Please what can you recommend

[@babylilacforever]

I love how everyone is being wayyy more transparent about the industry - I also didn’t hear anything about how it really is until literally when I had graduated and when I was job searching after, and hearing what peers were going through. None of this info was available back 5 years ago!

[@rockon8174]

This info was readily available 30 years ago. 😑

[@Michealtravel]

Have you found a job yet?

[@bill-xm7dz]

With all these added creative tasks of providing layouts, rough animation, timing, adding voice track, and character designing - the storyboard artist might as well be credited as a co-director and therefore should be PAID as such.

[@rockon8174]

They usually move up to director and do the exact same thing.

[@Chibilisous]

Storyboard Artist in Canada here. Thankfully I don't have to deal with timing my boards, and I've only worked on 3D projects so far where you don't have to be too on model (so long as you can tell who it is, their actions/eye direction are clear enough, and that their sizes are correct). I've come across the issue though of having to practically animate my boards since the animation team's not inhouse, but MAN I'm like, they're animators that you hired out of confidence for a reason. They don't need me to animate a character walking to show that they're walking. With 2D productions too I'm kind of baffled that they ask you to be on model. Aren't boards supposed to be rough? Don't animators have access to the character model sheets for that purpose?? The pay here is also very low for the position (the average in canada is 72k CAD vs the average in LA being 107k USD which equals 135k CAD (from glassdoor)). Whenever we discuss about a union or higher pay, it's always the same excuse: "but if we pay our artists more, then the price for the project will be more expensive and we'll get less jobs outsourced to us / it'll be more expensive and they'll just outsource it to another place that underpays their artists" or something along those lines. It's frustrating to say the least.

[@rockon8174]

Average in Canada is a whole lot lower than 70K. Way lower. 😑

[@Chibilisous]

@@rockon8174 As a Storyboard Artist you should be starting out on average 70-72k from what I believe going based on Glassdoor and my own workplace. However, you could be referring to a Storyboard Revisionist that starts out at 50k on average.

[@fanfilmnetwork5643]

Yes there is a risk that companies will remove animators who speak up, but that should not scare us from asking for what we were promised. You are hurting no one's feelings when you do so. You only risk hurting your own feelings by doing nothing. Remember that the goal of any company is to make money. The fact that some support animation is a great thing. But unless one stands up and asks for what is rightly theirs, a company's capitalist bias is going to skew them towards intents to make money while avoiding giving money away.

[@batatapalio2676]

Yeah, do that and never get a job ever again. Not saying it's wright, just saying there's more to it.

[@catspawcreates]

Like Graphic Design as well. Must Know all programs, animate, photography, video editing, coding, copywriting, design digital and print at the same time while balancing a bowling ball on your head while keeping up with all the latest trends in culture, typography, social media and make sure you know what not to include that might be slightly misinterpreted by 1% of the population. Job descriptions are getting ridiculous these days. I feel your pain of a job expecting more than was bargained for.

[@alicedarlingchannel]

Totally find that these job description are unrealistic! Are they getting these people for these positions or are these a wish list?

[@lexivay_animation]

Companies generally don't care about their employees, it's a situation that goes far beyond the animation industry. The ones at the top who make the business decisions put pressure on everyone else without knowing or caring what it takes to actually accomplish the work they ask for. Then employees are basically emotionally blackmailed to do whatever is asked of them for whatever pay they can get, and then (at least in the animation industry) are literally blackmailed (blacklist) if they don't comply or stand up for themselves. Glad the union is taking a stand to protect storyboard artists, but I feel like this is just the tip of the iceberg on a big shift in the entire workforce. It's unsustainable and ethically reprehensible to normalize the mistreatment of human beings working in any industry, and I find it especially insidious in the entertainment industry due to weird misconceptions about being a paid artist like "oh you're making art for a living, you're having fun" or "you have to be able to do this much work to deserve this much pay since you're just making art" or any kind of idea that implies that doing something creative in itself is payment/reward, so compensation should be less. Fortunately the industry(s) is changing, but I expect it to it's own shit show before things truly get better. 🤪

[@rockon8174]

Always been like this.

[@sarroora]

Thanks for talking about this stuff. Setting unrealistic expectations for employees/artists by trying to normalize one person doing the job of 3-4 people for the pay of 1 job should be shut right down by unions before they become an accepted norm.

[@rockon8174]

It can be done, therefore it will be done. The tools are readily available.

[@Robohead-z6z]

@@rockon8174 So. That doesn’t mean it should. Their job is to storyboard not to do anything else.

[@Elvizja]

OMG YES! I'm storyboard artist, but at my first job and it wasn't what I expected to be. Expectation from my work are basically animating sequences, do animatic, design and do backgrounds and much more, a lot what you mentioned, and it is a lot, a LOT, and I thought I'm crazy that, maybe I'm not quickly enough because I do a long over time. But now I see it is a common issue. Thank you!

[@JamesJuiceful]

Thanks for the heads up! I’m in art school for storyboarding right now, and needed to hear this. Hopefully it’ll all be worth it in the end.

[@walterelie4617]

bruh that sucks. Girl needs her coin. Wonderful work; such a cute comic😭

[@allthecolorsinmyhead]

Dang, never thought the animation industry would mirror the education industry. Do more for less is pretty much the standard at most schools here (USA). I remember even as a teachers aide, I had to “volunteer” for multiple committees that dealt with stuff like campus events, outreach, or restocking the teachers lounge. And you do it, in my case because it was “for the kids.” and how do you say no to that? I’m sure there are similar motivators in animation, it’s another job where people are there because they’re passionate about it and that tends to make them willing to stretch themselves farther than they should.

[@avtpro]

Another thing contributing to the problem is the vague definition of StoryBoarding. I saw a video from a KZbin artist demonstrating his storyboarding techniques and he was clearly doing an "Animatic". I kept asking myself why is animating on a video labeled storyboarding. I'm new to storyboarding but I know animatics when I see them. This was total animation breadowns and not just action sequences. So a big contributing factor is lack of clear understanding even by artist and not just employers.

[@mrroberttrujillo]

Thank you, this is very informative as someone currently learning a bit about boarding. This is super timely and relative as I see parallels with teachers, and workers of many stripes. Shout out to the animation workers organizing their efforts and demanding more. Board artists basically direct the film before its directed from what I can tell so far. :)

[@orpheus6398]

Oh my god thank you. I usually watch your videos when I have an "art block" cause it helps me get to the flow. I'm gonna watch this now while I draw!

[@mewTripled]

Glad to hear my videos can help you during times of artblock!

[@orpheus6398]

@@mewTripled it really does! Thanks for making them!

[@cosmicfxx]

It's not just storyboard artist ... it's every creative industry ... e.g. you an't just be a graphic designer, or videographer, etc etc ... now they have to take on responsibilty and develop skills from other professions ... it's so they greedy corps can cut corners

[@marriedaprince1]

Thanks for this info! I was looking for what the day to day routine/schedule as a storyboard artist was, but this is equally helpful.

[@dibzybd9741]

I find it a bit funny that this was posted as I’m trying to draw the last few drawings of the first storyboard I’m attempting to finish as I listen to this 😅

[@EvasiveBlue]

Thank you for sharing your stories of your experiences.

[@fanfilmnetwork5643]

It's easy for me to say, but animators need to be honest with their employers across the board on realistic expectations. I wouldn't work OT unless someone was paying me. I've worked in other industries and that is normal procedure. It is the law. Also if the companies don't want to pay time and a half than they just need to hire an extra editor or storyboard artist here and there to balance out the load. Burnout mostly happens because companies like to pinch pennies. It does not cost that much to hire more help.

[@rockon8174]

A lot of the times...some folks wait until the last minute to do the work, then complain they need more time. 😑

[@ElLeanBean]

Plus, labor is expensive so that’s why they rather have the whole package..

[@DueEa9]

I’ve been noticing this lately while searching for concept art jobs. Even illustration jobs for casino game art, they want you to be a 2D artist AND an animator. I felt like I was crazy for being so caught off guard but they’re literally asking for 2 different jobs blended into one. Which isn’t completely bad, it’s just an added skill that will take time to build just as concept art etc. having to learn animation, 3D and other fundamentals that go with it. Idk it does seem like a lot.

[@chungusmychungus]

SUCH a good video, please talk about this more! Thank you for speaking up on this issue. I've also dealt with this- the physical problems are no joke- carpal tunnel, tendonitis, bad backs, sciatica- stuff that could force you to quit working.

[@jonnysophisticado]

100% agree with this. I'm a story board artist and have also noticed this trend, which is beyond stupid. Storyboards are storyboards, keys are keys.

[@ramennyun2137]

omg literally working on my storyboards rn! cool I have smth related to watch while I work haha ^^

[@mewTripled]

Thank you! good luck with your storyboards!

[@carlamercado7588]

Practically you guys are doing everything 😢

[@franzieart]

currently doing a small storyboard for school as I watch this!!!

[@boopthepotoo2367]

Thank you so much for sharing this! I mean it! I’ve been wanting to attend college in the next few years but I’ve been trying to figure out if I want to be a storyboard artist or something else. I wanted to try to do storyboarding but I’m unsure if it’s still right for me due to where I plan on living on the future or because of what’s going on at this current time, so all over your videos on this and beyond have been a blessing. If it’s not a bother to ask but do you know any other art jobs like storyboarding or art jobs in general?

[@ri8965]

hi! this may not help if you already knew this but there are many different jobs in this area!! there’s character designer where you design the characters for shows - there’s even different specific things like designing clothes, backgrounds, accessories, etc. i’m not sure if this helped if you wanted to do something more close to storyboarding rather than designing but if anyone else is reading this i hope it helped!

[@rockon8174]

Quit being lazy. You can easily find that in a Google search!

[@boopthepotoo2367]

@@rockon8174 I have been searching. I am aware of other jobs in art including jobs that are not in animation that involves art like Art teachers, book illustrator graphic designer and visual designer. But I’d also like to hear from someone who is in the profession, has had past experiences in it, or knows other people that are in the job and what they think of it. I do research but I’d also like to hear from a reliable source instead of looking at statistics on which sounds like the right job for me

[@BunnyandMoon]

@@rockon8174 It doesn’t hurt to ask and research. Yikes.

[@ashesfallenart]

Thank you for sharing your story and experience in this field!

[@kiwikarp9509]

This honestly sounds illegal. I doubt it would be allowed in other industries.

[@lojinayoussef8555]

Thank you for sharing your experience 💖💖💖💖

[@olliepollie8106]

Thank you so much for sharing this information. I want to go into the animation field but I have no real expectations about what it could entail. If anyone has any information about if character/background design is like this I’d love to know

[@user-fv7jb1bd3s]

How do you move the lines that you’ve drawn? You seem to draw and then correct their positioning - is this in procreate? And how do you do this, what buttons etc?

[@yomama211]

Well once x-sheets went the way of the dodo the work was put onto the story artists with digital tools enabling this. Cutting the animatic is beyond the pale really the director and editor should be timing the animatic otherwise there's more'n one director.

[@enin6001]

hi michelle, i really love your videos and your art! i listen to your vids when i'm sketching

[@rockon8174]

You can start animating now. Your progress is your own.

[@enin6001]

@@rockon8174 yeah, i'm trying to apply the fundamentals on a ball right now. i'm just curious about other animator's journey

[@KitKatbar168]

I want to become an animator thank you for the advice

[@lamgiang8753]

thanks for video

[@rockon8174]

10:35 if someone is animating their storyboards.....they don't know how to storyboard and they have stupid directors and producers. If they want it animated then they need to pay the extra rate.

[@_._roscoee_._]

yeees im drawing and i was searching for videos to watch while drawing ahhh your video is on point !

[@mewTripled]

Thank you!

[@jimmymccorekill6694]

How much do Storyboard artists make?

[@OzyIllustrates]

To repeat what some have stated already, this was pretty much common knowledge 30+ years ago. So, yea.

[@EvasiveBlue]

Oh wow they asking people to do more in the pipeline. That's shitty, and also capitalism lol.

[@rockon8174]

Tools make it easy to do.

[@Mrbombil]

now this peer pressure is already there now

[@joaocardoletto]

Everything Toon Boom creates initially appears to be a better tool but is later used by the industry to pile more work onto the artist’s plate. Toon Boom Harmony forces animators to rough, key, in-between, clean, color, and shade drawings at a record pace. The automation offered by the software is not enough to make one person handle all these aspects. As a result, quality takes a hit, and frame quotas increase absurdly. The tools are better, but cartoons have become uglier because the work of five professionals is now condensed into one. Animators are not happy, the audience is not happy, and only studio executives seem to like this situation. Storyboard Pro forces story artists to add audio, edit, and deliver a fully functional animatic, with far more panels than used to be done. As everything can be adjusted on the fly, companies have become less worried about strong pre-production. Every aspect of the script, design, and story is constantly changing. The number of studio executives micromanaging every step of a project has increased, while the number of artists involved in the pipeline has decreased. No wonder why Western animated series often feel soulless and look uninspired.

[@fuzzydragons]

ah yes, dont want to pay people for their skills or extra work, nothing new there and its getting annoying.

[@LisaNaniOfficial]

Another great draw with me ❤

[@Michealtravel]

How do people even get jobs as storyboard artist 😩😩 ?

[@SoraiaLMotta]

so the expectation is to be a pre-director without the assistant director pay?

[@petergostelow]

Signing up for one job and being told to do three or more without extra pay is the typical business approach in every field. They do it because they have about twice the normal labour market, so everyone is immediately replaceable. With less than half the work-force you could demand the going wage of any additional job. Who wants to move into the informal sector, it's practically empty?

[@hidinginyourcloset]

Being able to do multiple different kinds of jobs in one title sounds pretty interesting to me, and I think I would enjoy it, but if it's happening ALL the time with a tight deadline and less pay? Hell the fuck no. I like diversity in my work, but this seems too much.

[@ceshire981]

♥️❤🥰

[@mgproductions2007]

This whole video seems to focus on your employer requiring extra panels to show more of a sequence, to make it easier for the overseas company to animate. That is pretty standard in the industry and something storyboard artists will have to accept as the expectation, not the exception.

[@EvasiveBlue]

My girlfriends is acts of service. I like words of affirmation, but also if the words and actions don't match that is a red flag.

[@alexusyoung629]

I could be taking this out of context but it all depends on who is financing and producing the said production. The storyboard is only the visual medium; if it has been greenlit then revisionists might be called in to fine-tune it. Professional artists will come in and intricately fine-tune what you started as a Storyboard artist. If your doing all the work including script development then your obviously misguided, underfunded and not exactly balanced in the structure and in this case, the house of cards you've built up has the potential to come crashing down.

[@vaderbuild]

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