MEXICAN STYLE WRESTLING Origins

[@maninblack5783]

If I remember correctly, in the documentary Lucha Mexico, they mentioned that when the 1985 earthquake hit Mexico City, Arena Mexico was left undamaged. They cancelled the shows for the rest of the week and used the building as an aid station.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Now that's one tough Arena

[@MrJJr-lw9zq]

This is why I love being a Mexican we brought a great sport to life with our Wrestlers,Death matches and we can make our own stadium thank you for making this Dave and Que tenga un dia maravilloso mi amigo

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Gracias Amigo y tu tenga un dia maravilloso tambien y vive la Mexico!

[@rasmichaelyisrael1074]

Damn man, Dave really knows his wrestling

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Why thank you

[@Kaltagstar96]

I first found you via Wrestling With Wregret and Brian Zane, I'm glad I did because now I can't stop watching your videos!

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thank you so much.. I am so glad. Thanks to BZ and Thanks to YOU!

[@1stHandTV]

Same here

[@alehandroarries6995]

I found him in my suggestions

[@healthymealthy775]

Pro Wrestling history is so fascinating.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

It sure is

[@RAA10382]

Dave whenever you can, please make a video explaining the differences between CMLL and AAA.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@blade8989]

I honestly haven't had this much fun binging a wrestling critique channel since I binged Wrestling With Wregret last year. Keep up the good work!

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

THANKS SO MUCH! This is such a great compliment, thank you for the kindness and support!

[@Ilriz817]

Dave Knows Wrestling imagine a collab with you and Brian Zane. Take my damn money

[@blade8989]

Danny Blxck2 lol they have

[@Ilriz817]

Blaid when? Send me the link

[@ape3622]

My favorite style of wrestling

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

It sure is a good one

[@elihero2478]

you rock man, thank you for the history lesson!

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thank YOU for enjoying the video

[@leonardol.7416]

Como es un video acerca de la Lucha Libre mexicana, supongo que hace falta un comentario en español. Buen trabajo!

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Gracias. Un comentario en espanol.. Ay! Yo sabe, yo sabe, pero no tengo un tiempo para que hace. Pardon

[@soyomarcrl]

La lucha libre mexicana es la mejor del mundo!! Saludos.

[@KaliBeatsYoSoyAquel]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling Lo intentaste, que es lo que cuenta

[@Elementa2006]

I read that CMLL is the oldest running wrestling promotion in 5he world

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

CMLL is soon undervalued by many American fans

[@egpmh2891]

When he says EMLL, he is speaking of CMLL; CMLL is the Americanized name of EMLL.

[@nauj976431]

CMLL is the name of emll since the 90s. They just celebrate their 85th anniversary...

[@LuisOrtiz-xo5kc]

@@nauj976431 That's right. Paco Alonso (RIP) renamed the EMLL as Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL).

[@sadlobster1]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling Undervalued?

[@luisalbertoarenasaraya4579]

A Lucha Libre Match that has been loved is Atlantis vs Villano III. They call it the Greatest Match of All Time.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

I love that you mentioned that match

[@luisalbertoarenasaraya4579]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling When Villano said te lo mereces

[@ewiedabroski3183]

Lucha Libre is what re sparked my interest in wrasslin, it is some of the most mesmerizing atheism I have ever seen

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Lucha Libre is a great sight to see for wrestling fans

[@bramirez3330]

There's more wrestling in lucha libre than in American wrestling. I noticed that back in the early 80s.

[@jesserichards5582]

Very fascinating history lesson 👏 👍 😀 Thank You! ❤️

[@striker1234]

si viva la lucha libre mexicana greetings from México brothers saludos desde México amigos el deporte mexicano por ecelencia

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Viva La Mexico!

[@josephcarvalho7713]

I think we need more content on the history of Mexican Promotions and the wrestlers on KZbin

[@DietDrMario]

Keep it up bro, these are informative and entertaining, only a matter of time until you find your audience.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thank you for the support and being a part of making the dream come true

[@MiguelRodriguez-vm8zm]

El Paso, TX. Salvador Guerrero !!!!

[@luluzzz91]

Really liked your content.Wish it had more visuals. :(

[@7ANUBIS-MC]

Great video and new sub here Dave 👍🏼 nice name! I'm Dave too and we help other Dave's out.. Serious note I wrestle still green but I I am set on learning lucha libre get some experience there and first place to start for me.... The awesome history of Lucha Libre itself! Respect and love for all of Lucha Libre you guys are true stars!! Looking for more info and history so, see ya there..

[@gerardohernandez6057]

I'm really enjoying the content on your channel! I just subscribed. Thanks for the great videos

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thank you for being here! Welcome to the Know-It-All Nation!

[@LuisOrtiz-xo5kc]

CMLL means Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (english: World Wrestling Council), not Consejo Mexicano de Lucha Libre.

[@TobiasTheWolf]

Great video bro

[@the_real.lionheart]

awesome job....Dave definitely knows wrestling....can you do a piece on Paul Bosch breaking away from Fritz and siding with Joe Blanchard and the rift it caused with Gino Hernandez and the Von Erich boys

[@tomcigarsmoker8958]

Great video as always

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thank you

[@stephenbianchi7141]

4:12 Mexico committed to kayfabe.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Yeah they do

[@Leiria65]

One thing I wish he mentioned that would demonstrate just how much he was committed to it was that in movies where he isn't playing himself, or even a wrestler, he still wears the mask. There is one where is a cop. It wasn't written with him in mind but when every other recognizeable name rejected it he would be cast. The script remained unchanged so it's never really explained why this police officer wears a mask during the entirety of the movie

[@fifedogg511]

Hey Dave I'm a new subscriber just found your channel on accident and I'm glad I did. Excellent content I've been binge watching episodes for 2 days since I found it. I wish you woulda booked the intercontinental and wwwf title tournaments you did I would love to hear how you would book them out. Keep up the great work!!

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thank you so much and welcome to the Know-It-All Nation! Further more, I did a sequel video the the IC tournament recently where I DID Book the winner! So you're in luck

[@KlaunVI]

Superb video. Thought i knew a lot. Just found out more. Thanks.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thanks so much. And I love the wrestling community being able to share information, allowing all of us to learn even more

[@egpmh2891]

Hey Dave did you see that El Santo when intothe Legacy wing of the WWE Hall of Fame over Wrestlemania weekend, just one year after the “Godfather of Japanese wrestling” Rikidozon was inducted in.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Yea the Legacy thing bothers me. I get they want things to be a happy affair.. but backdoor entering people is not exactly the nicest way to do it

[@PhillyBagel]

Great as always but you never touched on Los Luchadores and !Mucha Lucha!

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

No I guess I didn't... somehow

[@johnhayes3464]

very well did videos , keep it up n you will have many subscribers

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thank you so much for the Positive vibes!

[@HaBeFaStro]

Viva Dave Knows!

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Gracias!

[@WELLFIGHTER]

Amazing video dude ^^

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thank you so much for appreciating it and taking the time to say so

[@josegodinez991]

@daveknowswrestling dude the influence lucha libre has had…el gran apache in my opinion is the true father or strong style… he trained a lot of Japanese wrestlers(tajiri)… on top of that gory being part of one of the most famous tag teams… la pareja atómica gory guerrero and el santo… knowing that Eddie came from such a pedigree… the backbone of wcw was the cruiserweights incorporated by mostly Mexicans… on top of that the best would go train and learn in Mexico… Chris Jericho had his time in the arena Mexico… the lion sault was established there being his ring name was corazón de Leon…. Lita trained there( who are you to doubt el Dandy) also Vince had el hijo del santo and negro casas on his payroll… imagine…. When santos Escobar had his moment with el fantasma his father being the main authority in wrestling in Mexico…. On top of the induction of mil mascaras… allowing him to tell his story of being a main attraction at Madison square garden… Canek was the hulk hogan of Mexico he actually body slammed Andre the giant lol….

[@salchichajones6628]

OMG, where do you find all these information? I'm mexican and I didn't even know half of it

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

A bunch of places... that's what's fun, but difficult about wrestling... there's a ton of it out there

[@salchichajones6628]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling Well, I will look it up Hey man, I just discovered your channel, keep it up with the good work

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

So glad you did. Welcome to the Know-It-All Nation! Thank you for being here

[@MiloLamar]

Just a little detail, the M at CMLL stands for Mundial (worldwide if I'm not wrong in the translation)

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

True, true. You got me. I was too concerned with pronunciation that I forgot to get the actual word right

[@bramirez3330]

So it means The Worldwide Wrestling Council, as opposed to The World Wrestling Council in Puerto Rico.

[@PtolemyJones]

No mention of Mil Mascaras?

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

I focused on him in an episode that came out not that long before this one

[@DiscoverMas]

Nice Video! Would you like to review one of my masks?

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Perhaps

[@jimmiepiranah]

If i remember correctly. Arena Mexico, closes, maybe once a year, for repairs. So, you could say, there is a 'Off Season', of Lucha, at Arena Mexico. Check out Jericho's podcast, w/Norman Smiley. They talk about their time in Mexico, workin for CMLL.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Good looking out.. I like it

[@bramirez3330]

Wrestling is year round south of the border.

[@davidragan5791]

I love lucha libre wrestling mil mascaras and laparka are my favorites

[@codenamepelon]

Can you make a vid about the "Ras de Lona" style of wrestling. It's a side of Lucha Libre that not much people outside of Mexico know about

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

I will look into it

[@codenamepelon]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling cool thanks for the reply UWA was mostly remembered for having great Ras de Lona exihibitions along with some nasty blood baths, if that helps. Also should check Negro Navarro's matches, he's one of the last "maestros" of the ras de lona style still active today. I hope you like it, Lucha Libre has created some of the craziest submission holds through this style.

[@michaelfrichette7841]

Can u talk about the crash lucha?

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Thanks for the suggestion

[@garysuarez5075]

How can you talk about Lucha Librie with out talking about Mil Mascaras or even Blue Demon

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Very fair.. but look at this as a video, like my British videos.. that focus more on the beginnings of companies. Like the British vids, I tend to do more than just this, because one video on Lucha Libre is not enough. Mil Mascaras and Blue Demon are being planned for the future.. don't worry. But glad to see you know your history

[@luisalbertoarenasaraya4579]

To think that AAA's greatest Luchador La Parka is gone.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Unfortunately

[@bramirez3330]

The original LA Park still lives, there have been various luchadors using The Parka name and gimmick.

[@steeveboyce]

Can anyone tell me why Mexican refs count slower than Moses? AAA especially. Pretty sure that u can get 2 or 3 Mississippi between each count. Surprise roll up is practically extinct there. I'm not trying to be mean or anything but I'm extremely curious

[@Better_callMe]

*Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre

[@jonathanhensley6141]

I looked up which is more popular Japanese pro wrestling or LL and some think JPW but I think LL because it has spawned different variations.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Popularity is a tricky thing to gauge

[@lilachie]

never clicked so fast

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Nice! Breaking speed records

[@sadlobster1]

Personally, I find Lucha Libre to be the better version of wrestling (next to Sumo.) It's aerobatic, fast-paced, full of unique figures/characters, each wrestler has their own unique style. But most of all, it's rooted in deep traditions dating back centuries ago (to the time of the ancient tribes of the Aztecs.) Whereas American wrestling now follows only ONE face...John Cena. (Note: When I say that Lucha Libre has tradition that dates back centuries. I am speaking of the traditions behind the mask. Whenever Aztecs warriors lost a fight, the loser was beheaded. More to the point, these warriors were said to be wearing unique masks in battle)

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Hey that's perfectly understandable. There is a lot to like about Lucha Libre

[@sadlobster1]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling My favorite thing about Lucha Libre is the fact that it knows no height or gender restriction. These days; in WWE and any other current league, women are strictly put up against other women wrestlers and there's nobody who's...shall we say, of Peter Dinklage levels of height in the American leagues these days to put up against the big dogs. Yet, in Lucha Libre; you have great athletes like Sexy Star going up against people outside of her height and weight class. You even have someone like Mascarita Segrada going up against people who are almost six to eight feet tall. That right there is what I like to see most of all

[@bramirez3330]

@@sadlobster1 WWE has done intergender wrestling before. It has only been a thing in Mexico in recent years. I personally prefer separate men and women divisions. And in Mexico, they also call American style wrestling, lucha libre.

[@kennyomegapushcesaropushhe4184]

What's the difference between Lucha Libre style and highflying style?

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Lots. Lucha doesn't necessarily have to have any high flying at all. How they bump is different. Some of the rules too. There are a bunch of differences

[@luisalbertoarenasaraya4579]

Lucha Libre has moves , submissions and other techniques while high flying is just that.

[@bramirez3330]

@@luisalbertoarenasaraya4579 lucha libre is wrestling, the other stuff is acrobatics.

[@richardlee1075]

You're favorite Lucha wrestler?

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Mistico or Rey Mysterio... but too many to pick. Yours?

[@richardlee1075]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling Rey

[@bramirez3330]

Mil Mascaras.

[@0fficialdregs]

LUCHA LUCHA LUCHA!!!!

[@KBox1991]

why does he said emll when its cmll? is it a accent thing?

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

It was ORIGINALLY the EMLL... it didn't become the CMLL until later, as pointed out in the video

[@bramirez3330]

I think it became CMLL after EMLL left the National Wrestling Alliance, but they kept using The NWA Middleweight, Lightweight, and Welterweight World Titles

[@sadlobster1]

According to Lucha Underground, some of Lucha Libre's origins may also be tied to the ancient tribes of Mesoamerica. Back then; warriors wore war masks into battle and when their opponents lost, the victor would behead them. This is where the idea of claiming the luchadore's mask as a victory prize supposedly came into being. If this is all true, Lucha Libre truly DOES have more to offer than American wrestling (to me)

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

The Kayfabe is strong with you

[@sadlobster1]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling Pardon?

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

The Lucha Underground story is all a work. So I'm saying you are going with the kayfabe

[@sadlobster1]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling You may be right...but then, the ancient tribes DID wear masks and they DID behead their defeated opponents. So, there is some possibility its true. But even if it's not, is going with the kayfabe a bad thing?

[@bramirez3330]

@@sadlobster1 The mask came from American wrestling. Cultural traditions have been incorporated into Mexican wrestling masks over the years, and lucha libre does not have it's origins in mesoamerican traditions. Wrestling is the WORLD'S oldest sport. It dates back to ancient Rome, ancient Greece. Lucha Libre is the Spanish word for freestyle wrestling.

[@merlhines5459]

liberty hall in tyler texas

[@richardlee1075]

Viva la dave

[@Brando-Lee3725]

El Gran Hamada !

[@PtolemyJones]

Gus Pappas? Any relation to Angelo and his kids?

[@felipedandrea124]

Giovanni wrestlilovic?

[@hunterhelmsley3854]

I SUBSCRIBED👍

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Welcome!

[@luisalbertoarenasaraya4579]

Canek picked up Andre before even Hogan.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Several wrestlers have... WM3 wasn't even the first time Hogan did it

[@bramirez3330]

Stan Hansen comes to mind.

[@emilioestaban3449]

Magnifico 👍

[@maraviudadesantoelenmascar8317]

Qué contrastante: El Mejor vs el peor, en todos los aspectos: CALIDAD HUMANA, VALORES, PRINCIPIOS, CARIÑO POR SANTO, ENMASCARADO DE PLATA. Uno, un Señoron, otro, miserable bandido ilegal.

[@507jahblessyou]

Buen Español

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Oh thank you.. I was trying real hard to get it right

[@blxckhawk3708]

Do u think it’s possible for an American to pull off a luchadore gimmick

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

I def do

[@jimmiepiranah]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling There have been plenty of, 'foreigners', Jericho, Norman Smiley, Ultimo Dragon, Art Barr, Vampiro, Konann, that had HUGE careers in Mexico. I think, it's learning the style. Cos a gimmick's a gimmick, no matter where you are. But the style's change. But yes, there are gimmicks, that are specific, to a country. That's what makes pro wrestling so cool. Its international. You don't see, American pro football/basketball/baseball teams, traveling the world, playing against, pro foreign football/basketball/baseball teams. I've gone on a tangent. Imma big lucha fan. I've watched this vid a few times. Good Stuff.

[@bramirez3330]

In Mexico, they also call American wrestlers, luchadors. It simply means wrestler, or fighter in English. If you mean a "Mask" gimmick, well the mask has existed in American wrestling since the old days. It is just more popular in Mexican wrestling.

[@neverangel24officialytchan87]

Everyone.

[@mgonzo3881]

I wanted to get back into pro-wrestling, especially since there isn’t anything new out to watch. I was hardcore into WWF/WWE & a loyal fan...until after 2000ish. It started when Undertaker, went from the “Deadman” with supernatural powers, but then became a biker...with supernatural powers. It felt like they were doing away with eccentric, or the dark mysterious characters. Instead now it seems WWE has really athletic, but regular dudes & chicks, using regular names; which is fine, but to me it doesn’t feel right when a Seth Rollins, who is great, but when he beat the The Fiend, it didn’t make me care about the match - & it was a no holds steel cage. Here is this demon, who is supposed to also have dark powers, gets taken out by a guy with a typical name. I also wasn’t a fan of the brand split, but what really ruined it for me are the shit storylines & cringe promos. Good thing AEW hasn’t shit the bed, but now NJPW is awesome & AAA is getting better.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Sometimes if you have a particular wrestling itch.. outside the US is where you have to go

[@mgonzo3881]

@@DaveKnowsWrestling I should of mentioned that the it was your channel that how found out about NJPW. So I owe you a huge thanks. I think, at the moment, NJPW is the most entertaining pro-wrestling promotion, followed by AEW. I'm still watching WWE (I subscribe to the network), but thanks to you, your channel opened a whole new world of sports entertainment 😉

[@simloverfever]

Im just watching these videos wanting to do wrestling but my knee is like 🤡

[@elibooks7660]

I remember reading el santo y blue demon magazine series lol

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

That's very cool, great to have memories of that magazine

[@TheKilodead4]

Viv La Gagne!

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Gagne estan susio

[@TheKilodead4]

Dave Knows Wrestling no he wasn't

[@bramirez3330]

Long live Verne Gagne

[@luisvargas6670]

You should do Puerto Rican wrestling you will find yourself surprised when you find how great was into Bruiser Brody is dead

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

I have made casual references to Puerto Rican wrestling before and mentioned the Bruiser Brody incident in the Wrestler Court video

[@luisvargas6670]

You should that lil island was wwe competition... the rise and fall of Puerto Rican wrestling. Puerto Rico used to draw a lot of money you have no idea Bruiser Brody dead ruin Puerto Rican wrestling you need help let me know

[@luisvargas6670]

You're going to be shock I'm surprised

[@bramirez3330]

Brody's killer used to wrestle for WWE in the 1970s.

[@leobardoestrada3202]

So the uwa is wcw

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

Not exactly

[@leobardoestrada3202]

Sorry for that

[@bramirez3330]

Universal Wrestling Association.

[@eitooii5242]

La mascara fue creado por ese zapatero, osea que la mascara es 100% Mexicana

[@DrinkYourNailPolish]

I effing love lucha libre but I don't like the masks.

[@DaveKnowsWrestling]

That's surprising

[@bramirez3330]

Masks have been around wrestling for as long as I can remember. Even in the territory days. You never heard of The Assassin's, The Spoiler, Mr.Wrestling I and II, The Grappler, The Masked Superstar, The Super Destroyers, The Destroyer, The Patriot, etc