MFT Style Work Table Using the Parf Guide System

[@cognitor900]

Oh it’s great to see someone get so much satisfaction from getting something to work properly!!! The days and days we all spend in the shop faffing about trying to get something just right…… just perfect… and it ends up 99.5% and that 0.5% drives us nuts. And in your case Jeff you were sold something that was promised to right on 20mm and it wasn’t so therefore not even your fault!! I’ve played with my Parf system whilst planning out some assembly tables and it’s just so sweet. I get the joy! Thanks for the videos too. Greetings from the other side of the world ……

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks for watching and you said it perfectly.

[@Marcus_Caius]

That BOX! That box should come with the Parf Guide. Well done!

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks, it works well and keeps everything in one place.

[@thenakedcarpenter2502]

Glad someone else is singing the praises of the part guide system. Your bench looks great!

[@JeffFischer1]

Thank you and thanks for watching. It is a great system. I hope you meant Parf.

[@thenakedcarpenter2502]

Jeff Fischer lol. Yes, I did. Darn auto-correct

[@ericb.davenport9762]

Jeff, I really enjoy your videos. Thank you

[@jenniferw8963]

Looks wonderful. Can you do a video showing how you use the rails bolted around the edge of the table?

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks J G. If you watch some of my other videos you will see me use them quite a bit. Generally I use them to clamp down my work. Thanks for watching as well.

[@aearnest]

That lift on the festool clamps drives me crazy on my Ultimate Workbench. Very good video

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks Andy!

[@YouGumppy]

Hooray for the tip on drilling 20 mm holes in laminate! Even Peter Parfitt hasn't made that point in any of his videos (as far as those which I've seen).

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks for watching. I don't think Peter has ever made a top with laminate but I may be mistaken. Most of what I have seen is MDF.

[@Darrell_Coquillette]

Nice looking table Jeff! I'm going to do this on my next top.

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks

[@laurav6585]

Great video!! I love the Parf System, it made my life much easier and...accurate. On a second note, it looks like you have an eye on jigs using the Parf holes and benchdogs...would share some jig making or solutions you come up with? I built the same box for my dogs and hole guide!!! It is a masterpiece! Thanks!!

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks Laura V, stay tuned. Glad you like what I do and yes I will share more in the future.

[@jimcoogan1529]

I built a bench with a different system and got that exact same lift with the Festool clamps. Was not happy and then I saw this and went back to measure them. The but was a little off it seems. My Parf Guide System arrives tomorrow. Thanks.

[@JeffFischer1]

Good luck Jim, and thanks for watching.

[@ealdydar]

How accurate should the MFT table be? For instance the Festool MFT and such. Reason i ask is i purchased jig to make the grid and was not happy with the accuracy. I could not get past a 6x16 hole layout with out seeing runoff due to the guides locking in the jig had some slop. I might get it to be better if i add around the template guide to tighten the tollerances. But when i contact the manufacture they claim that tables are never accurate its the fence system that makes the accuracy and i was expecting too much even thought there jig was at a premium price off $199. Purchased this one due to UJK was out of stock but now i have one but have not used it yet. This was the response when i gave them the numbers that either the jig was off or the supplied Template guide was off. Hello Cliff. There is a big misconception with MFT tables and tops. The accuracy of a Festool MFT table comes from the actual rails that are part of the table itself. All of the Festool attachments are attached and referenced off of the rails. Not the table. If you think about all the “connections” from the router to the actual hole there are a lot of variables at play Router bit. Bushing to router. Bushing to template. Indexing pin to template. Indexing pin to hole. Locating pins to the template. Locating pins to the workpiece. potential runout in the router collet There has to be sufficient clearance between each of those for them to work. As you add holes, that “stackup” error will grow. The only way to avoid that would be to key off of the same location for each hole. Essentially what a CNC does. You want to make sure that there is no movement in the template when drilling the first holes. The template must be firmly clampled in place. The Festool MFT table is a clamping/work table. Without the additional fence system, it cannot be used to make accurate cuts. Once you install the Fence system, you must calibrate the track to the fence. At no time are the holes a part of that calibration as the holes are only used for clamps and stop etc. Even if done on a CNC, with the movements and wear in MDF/wood, even the Festool table is not very accurate. Check the Festool marketing data and you will not find anything about using the holes to make cuts, only for work holding. The accuracy comes from the MFT table rails.

[@JeffFischer1]

I have never owed a Festool MFT just made my own version and I am quite happy with its accuracy. I do not use it to make cuts but rather as an assembly table and jigging table. Still though, very accurate. Thanks for watching and I hope this helps.

[@barrydoxsey3126]

Thank you, I was interested in the material used which you mention with the best tip, run the bit backward to score the surface and stop tear out. Great video

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks Barry. I appreciate the kind words.

[@RobyWanKenobi]

Did you say sanding station top?

[@JeffFischer1]

At what point in the video are you asking about? Thanks for watching.

[@RobyWanKenobi]

@@JeffFischer1 at 7:24. You mention it while you are talking about the 80/20 on the side.

[@JeffFischer1]

Yes I did. It's an accessory table that I have made for my belt sander.

[@a29miller]

Two questions: did the new dog holes solve the lift issue with your clamps, and is that a VSC table saw fence in the background?

[@JeffFischer1]

Yes and yes. I used to be a partner in that business (VSC Tools) but got out. Long story but still a good tool. Thanks for watching.

[@a29miller]

Jeff Fischer ah thanks. I wasn’t aware of your association

[@JeffFischer1]

@@a29miller My friend (not a part of the business) and I did all the machining and trial and error to get it marketable and then the rest is history. My version and Allan's version. Life is good. No regrets.

[@rolandkuhn9066]

Great top! I have been looking for a way to add some kind of rail system around 2 sides like you did. How much did the extruded rails cost if I may ask?

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks for watching. I don't mind at all your asking but I can't give you an answer because they were given to me. A good place to shop for them is Ebay. Go there and search for 80/20 extrusions and you should find anything you want.

[@ruthdambrosio622]

Where did you found fine the Parf Guide System to buy. I have been looking for awhile, with no luck. Ruth

[@JeffFischer1]

You can buy it here. www.axminster.co.uk/ujk-technology-parf-guide-system-mkii-104779

[@ThekiBoran]

TSO

[@kevinclark8311]

Many thanks Jeff!

[@JeffFischer1]

You're welcome.

[@Breal191]

Did it come in that nifty box or did you make that yourself? Great tip at the end, thanks!

[@JeffFischer1]

Made that myself and if you want plans for it, I need your email.

[@Breal191]

Jeff Fischer If I buy the Parf Guide system I’ll give you a holler!. Thanks!

[@Breal191]

Jeff Fischer I messed around and ordered the Parf Guide system and other UKJ products including close fit dogs, dog rail and dust port. I would be grateful if you send me the plans at [e-mail] Thanks!

[@rpnp2]

look useful for a bunch of jig layouts

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks for watching. We shall what the future brings.

[@kevinclark8311]

Great video! Quick question... what is the size and/or model number of the Woodpecker square that you used in this video? Keep up the great work! Cheers

[@JeffFischer1]

PSQ26-18

[@NewBritWorkshop]

Hi Jeff, You should look at the new Parf Super Dog for that brilliant bench top of ours. Peter

[@JeffFischer1]

Will do, thanks Peter.

[@JeffFischer1]

Ordered 4 of them and just received them the other day. You're right, they are a fantastic fit and versatile as well.

[@NewBritWorkshop]

Hi Jeff, Please could you put a review on the Axminster product page as it would help others make up their minds. Cheers. Peter

[@JeffFischer1]

Will do.

[@johnbeckman8916]

Nice!

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks John.

[@aearnest]

What are the dimensions of your top?

[@JeffFischer1]

5 x 5 baltic birch ply.

[@aearnest]

ahh.. same as before.. the camera angle just made it appear longer.

[@binkpear]

Really nice outfeed table Jeff! Jealous of that nice laminate top! I was just doing my layout for my existing outfeed table that is just a bit bigger than yours (72"x 54") with the same parf guide system and when I finally got way out to the other side and checked to see if things would line up, I found I had accumulated some error (approx 1 to 2 mm). Did you find this happening at all on your project?

[@JeffFischer1]

No, I did not experience that. It may have been do to the way it was laid out and the size difference in the tables. Thanks for watching and kind words about my top.

[@uarepresentative8524]

What is the material used for the MFT table?

[@JeffFischer1]

18mm Baltic Birch Ply with counter top laminate contact cemented to it. Thanks for watching.

[@MrNebRebew]

Did you laminate both sides of the Baltic Birch to prevent warp? Maybe it’s not needed because it’s bolted to the 80/20?

[@MrNebRebew]

And what contact cement did you use? Solvent based or water based? Brushed, rolled or sprayed? Looking to do a new top. Thanks

[@slhasebroock]

Hi Jeff, were did you get the Aluminum extrusions you are using on the front and side of your work table? Thx, Steve

[@JeffFischer1]

you can get them from 80/20. check out Ebay.

[@slhasebroock]

Looks like you used their 40-4012 and the 40-4080? Is that right and would you choose those again if building again? Looks like is uses a T nut not a square nut. Thanks for your help.

[@JeffFischer1]

I would not change a thing if I had to build again. I am not sure of the part numbers for 80/20 but yes one is 40x80, and the other two are 40x120 and 80x80. T-nuts are 1/4 -20.

[@slhasebroock]

Thanks Jeff!!!

[@JeffFischer1]

You're welcome and good luck with your build.

[@johnlafferty5032]

If you'd like a dust hood for the UJK Parf Guide System the see here www.yellowboxshed.com.au/product/vacuum-hood-for-ujk-technology-parf-guide-system/

[@thomasgreenan871]

32mm system

[@JeffFischer1]

Thanks for watching Thomas.

[@Paul-mx2yj]

Bad volume

[@JeffFischer1]

Turn it up then.