Michael Clarage: The Gestation of Solar Systems | Thunderbolts

[@daviddrew7852]

Great piece. Yes, something else is going on beyond accretion in a 'gravity-only' universe. As Michael points out, however, we still have much to learn about electricity and magnetism, although they are key to most cosmic structures.

[@TheBelrick]

Accretion theory aka sticky gravity theory is not supported by any observable evidence. Gravity doesn't stick, accretions cannot occur from gravity, gravity is not even a force. Pure farce.

[@davejones7632]

You do realise that stars are observed to form in clouds of neutral gas, yes? Gas that is very cold? ~ 10-30 K. Ionisation fraction? 1 part in many millions. And that the observations in this paper are observing neutral H2 gas at a few thousand K. Way too cool to ionise much of anything other than elements with very low first ionisation potentials. Such as the Fe II ions observed. So, hardly even what could be described as a plasma, let alone something that could support physics defying currents. Even cooler than the solar photosphere, which itself is ~ 99.99% neutral gas. I think if you are going to talk about plasma physics you really need to get someone who understands what a plasma actually is, and how it behaves. You have no such people.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

there is a guy whose account is dave jones I think you should not talk to the psychopath because he is basically a bb fanatic

[@davejones7632]

@@trungtamienmayquocquang7233 Still got no science eh? Who is surprised?

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 A bb fanatic is the one who has no science so understand that, idiot

[@markmartens]

Paying proper attention to ones own assumptions, ignorance, and biases is the 1st level hallmark of a 'proper scientist'. Good intuitions Michael.

[@howlerbike]

Well stated! Proper humans would benefit from same. Mine is a work in progress.

[@davejones7632]

A proper scientist would have understood the paper. Clarage didn't. Good luck getting currents in overwhelmingly neutral gas!

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 A scientist who is not absent-minded will never believe in BB

[@davejones7632]

@@trungtamienmayquocquang7233 And all the evidence supports BBT. And you cannot deal with that evidence.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 Please look at big bang's repeated repair and repair things, dude, and don't deny that there's nothing wrong with bb, it's not stable anymore.

[@spotweld]

I always feel a sense of awe from Micheal Clarages youtube videos. Thanks

[@GregFessia]

I feel dumb as a box of rocks and this scientific information is miles above my head but it feels right and is the truth.

[@dan.j.boydzkreationz]

I studied glossaries of plasma physics books to grasp the concepts 17 years ago

[@logat1847]

@@GregFessia announcing that you are stupid and then claiming to believe in the EU is not the best look.

[@dextermorgan1]

Same. I usually have no 8des what they're talking about, but when I do, it's always correct. And like you said it just "feels" like the actual truth.

[@htos1av]

Yeah, you can smell it....

[@j.pershing2197]

Watch Symbols of an Alien Sky

[@jooky87]

Those images are incredible, Dr. Clarage is the best with his brilliant open mind!

[@davejones7632]

_"Dr. Clarage is the best with his brilliant open mind!"_ You mean his inability to understand plasma physics at even 1st year undergrad level?

[@lc285]

​@davejones7632 - isnt Scientific study about advancement of our known understanding and ability to pivot when necessary? And without disr3sp3ct to fellow scientists? please explain how dr. Clarage does not understand plasma physics? Is this a scientific observation from your own view? Please provide where you disagree with Dr. Clarage?

[@davejones7632]

@@lc285 _" isnt Scientific study about advancement of our known understanding and ability to pivot when necessary?"_ Want to show me any valid science in this youtube video? You do realise that science is not done on youtube, yes? _"And without disr3sp3ct to fellow scientists? "_ He is not qualified to understand the subject he is talking about. Simple. He is not published anywhere on this subject. He was part of a team on the safire woo, that their one and only plasma physicist called 'bozos'. _"please explain how dr. Clarage does not understand plasma physics?"_ I would suggest contacting Dr. Lowell Morgan, the aforementioned plasma physicist on the safire woo. He was the one that called him a bozo. And then we have the invocation of a current. Where is this current, and what is driving it in mostly neutral gas? If Marklund convection was separating elements (something nobody has ever suggested for planetary formation) why is the vast majority of the H and He contained in the big yellow thing at the centre of the solar system? If he thinks the Sun is powered by electrons drifting in from without the heliosphere, how are they getting past the magnetic field, headed outwards from the Sun, at all latitudes, at 100s of km/s? Shall we just violate the laws of physics to accommodate his ridiculous, unpublished beliefs? _"Is this a scientific observation from your own view?"_ Yep. As a qualified plasma physicist I, along with fellow plasma physicist, Dr. Lowell Morgan, can assure you that Clarage hasn't got a clue about the subject. Which is hardly surprising. He never studied or qualified in the subject. His degree is in biology, iirc. Best he sticks to that. _"Please provide where you disagree with Dr. Clarage?"_ Please show me a published paper by this amateur poseur laying out his claims.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

it is amusing how these crackpot junkies are always crapping on the mainstream, but at the same time salivate at the notion that one their fellow cranks managed to get a PhD @@davejones7632

[@BenHydeSPARKScience]

The segregation of elements argument is really the only one you need to reach the electrical nature of the universe conclusion. There simply isn't any other way for elements to segregate. THE END. Well done, Dr. Clarage. Herbig- Haro objects for the win!!

[@davejones7632]

You do realise that these are observations of overwhelmingly neutral gas, yes?

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 stupid bb fan

[@BenHydeSPARKScience]

@davejones7632 *sigh* That is the story, yes. I stopped believing in stories years ago and started thinking a bit more.

[@davejones7632]

@@BenHydeSPARKScience _"That is the story, yes"_ Nope, those are the observations. Clouds of cold, dense, neutral gas is where stars are observed to form.

[@BenHydeSPARKScience]

@davejones7632 Are you even aware of the nature of double layers and how they are able to effectively shield the underlying charged layers? Are you aware of the counter rotating, cylindrical nature of Birkeland currents? Calling star generating clouds of gas, neutral is like saying the Earth is flat, because that is what you see with your eyes when you walk outside.

[@EarthsMysterieswithKenKay]

the electric model is undeniable and this is just another video that proves just that

[@raycar1165]

Much ❤ Love 🌏🌎🌍☯️⚡️

[@davejones7632]

There is no 'electric model'.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 There is no 'big bang model"

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

if it does not exist,. why are you fulminating against it?@@trungtamienmayquocquang7233

[@edword3457]

"IF enough dust did SOMEHOW compress to make a star, stellar ignition would blast away any forming planets. So, the gravity model has some pretty basic problems." -MC

[@davejones7632]

Whoever said that is obviously struggling with basic physics.

[@JavierChiappa]

3:15 Well, thanks for showing me the entrance to a very very deep rabbit hole I've been trying to find for quite some time. See you on the other side when i finish all those books. Thanks!

[@quinto190]

It's always good to point out things we don't know. Those stellar objects certainly look like it. And they are beautiful...

[@gordondocherty]

Lt Col. Thomas E. Bearden, in looking at the 6 regauged Equations of Maxwell in vector form realised that in having been rewritten, the equations had lost a very important component present in the original Quaternion nomenclature : the scalar component. Maxwell's original equations were based on modelling the aether as a three dimensional tessellated prism cells - in cross-section, appearing like a honeycomb - with spheres like ball bearings in between, with his original set of 20 equations being derived to describe the propagation and promulgation of forces across the cells and hence through that medium. The problem with dropping the scalar (direction-independent) component is that when two waves in exact opposition (exact inverses) meet (such as, for example, a wave and its reflection in a resonant system), the vector components completely cancelled out, leaving an apparent force effect of zero. With the quaternion versions re-inserted, however, the scalar components of the two signals sum. So, two signals exactly inverse phased in a resonant system produce (and hence radiate) no vector component but do radiate a double strength scalar component - and that just for two signals. In a suitably designed resonant system, the vector components still cancel each other out (fight each other to a standstill) BUT the scalar component is magnified immensely. Further that scalar component radiates potential in all directions - it is part of an open system, in other words - and can be used to transfer energy from one volume to another - being capable of being "picked up" by a suitable receiver elsewhere. This is what Tesla found over a century ago - and he also found that such scalar waves, in interacting with the aether, would often be magnified in strength - "free energy", on other words. So, when talking about "Maxwell's Equations", it must be realized that the vector form regauged versions are defficient - and, in some ways, deliberately so to make them "solvable" for the special case of closed (electrical) circuits with a paired source/sink - but, the original equations are very far from deficient, and can even be used in conjunction with numerical analysis on high-end computing devices to express behaviours in open systems that have not thrown out the aether baby with the bathwater as it were.

[@nadahere]

True that BUT since electromagnetics obey vector mathematics, that 'scalar' unicorn us just that, fantasy.

[@gordondocherty]

@@nadahere they don’t “obey” anything, they exhibit predictable behaviour in an environment where they run source to sink. In a system where two opposing waves of equal frequency but 180 degrees out of phase , such as a high frequency resonant system, the waves fight each other to a standstill-but, the system is still fully energised. In this case, such as in an anapole, the system will radiate scalar waves - cold electricity or radiant energy. So, how to get resonance? One way is by using a vortex combined with a circular flow. In the case of the vortex, matter is constricted in an ever tightening grip. The lower the matter descends in the vortex, the more constricted it becomes, the faster it spins and the more spread out it becomes. Eventually, a point is reached we’re the matter coheres - the individual waveforms all move into lockstep. In the right environment, this can also create resonance as the now cohered, deconstructed matter approaches a singularity. By creating a circular flow, and constricting it’s radius (by “feeding” it more energy in the form of regular pulses, the same effect occurs. Combine the two, and you get a system that can create EVOs that can interact with each other (but not the e-m environment) via the aether that feeds them - “static” electricity may well be an effect of micro EVOs. Another way is by creating an open resonant circuit - but that is best explained/demonstrated by Master Ivo - search on “Master Ivo - Essential Nikola Tesla Lecture from 1891”

[@nadahere]

@@gordondocherty Oh, a Master Ivo adherent. I disproved his ideas six ways from Sunday sooo..... SMH.

[@raycar1165]

@@gordondocherty You can lead a horse to water... lol It's no surprise to me that Tesla's Turbine works in this way as well. Much Love Terra Pax

[@higherandhigher5848]

Thank you, Michael. Slowly but surely I’m getting my head around this.

[@FireStick-nu4pn]

I have a geode slice that looks like a cymatic frequency, frozen in time. I see this mineral separation in a lot of crystals and rocks. Like, you can see where the current flowed when it was melted, fluid and separating its elements and arranging where they “wanted” to be. Then cooled, frozen in that elemental arrangement. The Earth is just a large geode. Keep going outward, and expand the fractal, separating the elements and letting them arrange themselves where they may.

[@FireStick-nu4pn]

I just looked at that geode again. I noticed where the current entered and exited. I see right angles. On a different geode slice, there’s a whole section of frequency bands and right angles that form perfectly and snugly against each subsequent frequency line. That doesn’t happen over a long period of time. It’s instantaneous.

[@coneyisland4568]

​@@FireStick-nu4pnI collect geodes too and noticed the same formations. I agree entirely that the Earth is a giant geode and often wonder about the interior of other rocky planets and moons.

[@BenHydeSPARKScience]

Wal pointed out the likelihood that all planets should be hollow because of the electrical nature of things. Since the surface of our Earth is Negatively charged, there must be an inner SURFACE that holds the opposite charge. Unless you are OK with the delusional idea of monopoles...

[@JavierChiappa]

So there might be a depth in the center of the earth where it's all just.. gold? I always find curious why metals get concentrated in those "veins"

[@coneyisland4568]

@@JavierChiappa The crystal caves in Mexico are a good example of this structuring.

[@thomastoadally]

Thank you so much Michael for exponding on the subject of the EU. Such knowledgeable people are few and far between. Happy for learned people like you!

[@fyrerayne8882]

Neat!

[@skki4691]

Thanks as always Michael. We have to keep our heads above water even when the centenarians want to hang on to their beliefs. Indeed , it may well be something else. For centuries that's just what we've been finding.

[@carolinahammer9480]

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[@raycar1165]

👈 here’s the bit I’m doing, Much ❤ Love 🌏🌎🌍☯️⚡️ World🌞Peace

[@keyscook]

Michael Clarage's presentations are brilliant! Love to have a brief conversation with him to share a hypothesis or two. Cheer from Seattle!

[@mbraun777]

Michael, you never disappoint.

[@gamebent]

Thank you Mr. Clarage.

[@Dutchman1847]

Excellent presentation!!!

[@davejones7632]

Nah, it was complete gibberish from someone who obviously struggles with physics.

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@davejones7632this is people iq low in the history

[@TigerTiger-fx3ps]

clarage is such a showman......

[@davejones7632]

Crap at physics though.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632The physics of mainstream cosmology is worth crap and has the lowest IQ in human history

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

I think he is leading whatever outfit followed SAFIRE, so he will need all the razzle dazzle he can muster...@@davejones7632

[@lmwlmw4468]

Great video.

[@ArchonOne]

Fantastic presentation. On point.

[@davejones7632]

Totally off point. Physics isn't his strong point. This Marklund convection is supposed to leave the elements with high first ionisation potentials on the periphery. So, how come the vast majority of the H and He are locked up in the object at the centre of the solar system? You know - the Sun? Somebody needs to point out to this amateur what the Sun is mostly composed of.

[@intrespekt]

Strange stroke of synchronicity.... Less than a day before this video was released, all I could imagine and visualize was how solar systems are born... ⚡🌃

[@EugenethePhilostopher]

I haven't heard anything new here, but I love the vibe of this video.

[@davejones7632]

You mean that you have heard this impossible nonsense before? Lol. There is a reason that it only exists on youtube. Just like flat earth.

[@EugenethePhilostopher]

@@davejones7632 specify. Which statements are "nonsense" here?

[@davejones7632]

@@EugenethePhilostopher All of it. If this Marklund convection was seperating elements, why is the vast majority of the H and He in the solar system sitting right in the middle of it? We call it 'the Sun'. If it is seperating elements, why do observations show the central jet to be H2 and Fe+? There is no science here. As the one and only plasma physicist on the safire project said, the rest of the team were 'bozos'. And that included Clarage. He hasn't got a clue.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

throw a rock in any direction and you will hit one... @@EugenethePhilostopher

[@Socrates-ti2dh]

😇😎😇 if we could learn it all ... what would we do with the knowledge? the Learning, is in the Seeking. 😇😎😇 always a pleasure to witness your presentations. thx.

[@ivancarstensen8187]

What has happened to the Safire Project? It has become very quiet since the MIC & Blackrocks etc got involved in it

[@michaelstiller2282]

They got financing i think. . They researching and developing products, to transmute radioactive materials into non radioactive elements. They looking first into an industrial application associated with drilling deep into the earth which releases radio active material into the drilling waist which is then stored or pumped back into the earth, where it contaminates the ground water. There are numerous applications. Such as dealing with the Fukushima cooling problem where they just pump sea water into the reactor. And the waist is stored in containers or pumped out to sea, and its radioactive. Michael appeared on some podcasted shows. Where he says. They can't talk about it.

[@raycar1165]

Safire was successful and has become AUREON ENERGY LTD. Much ❤ Love 🌏🌎🌍☯️⚡️ World🌞Peace

[@ivancarstensen8187]

@@raycar1165 Is Aureon Energy progressing with design & putting product to market?

[@ronanzann4851]

I would be VERY surprised if they were !

[@AncientAdvancedCiv]

When you make a discovery that implies over unity energy creation, my guess is the delicate fossil fuel energy industry switches gears to a focus on your work to ensure it doesn't recklessly disassemble that industry in a way that will cause global unrest in a destructive way. In other words, very powerful people become an obstruction to your success, if you proceed like a bull in a china shop. From Monty's discussions about their work, it sounds like focus on the remediation aspects of the work is the absolute safest way to push these discoveries into the mainstream zeitgeist. Everyone will be excited to pursue a technology that will remove the nuclear energy problem of radioactive waste, and if this trick works, they won't even realize they're all going to have to begin to unravel the electrical implications of these processes. Its a long con against mainstream science that is worthy of a peace prize, IMO.

[@TheTimeshadows]

Intriguing.

[@keithnorris6348]

Amongst the new sources of wonder is how the old gravity paradigm manages to survive and do so well in the light of new information.

[@davejones7632]

And what 'new information' would this be? You haven't read the paper, have you? Don't worry, neither did Clarage. Hence why he is talking nonsense.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 What's the point in reading newspapers written by people who follow BBT?

[@keithnorris6348]

I know its in “ Primer fields “ The “bowl shaped magnets “ but it’s phrased different just a matter of context

[@honkyhanky2647]

Very interesting. The gravity accretion disk idea is losing its gravitas. Thanks for your part in deflating it. BTW Was the following a coincidence? On the side of my computer screen, this popped up when your clip ended. Wal Thornhill: The Star 'Proto-Saturn' | EU Workshop 2014 It stimulated my protoplasm to project some irony and humor.

[@B.Cote39]

Brilliant!!!❤

[@davejones7632]

Nah. Just the usual nonsense from physics-illiterate amateurs.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 HELLO CRAZY NAME

[@dantheman9135]

ThankQ

[@fastradioburst253]

My interest in cosmology has spanned decades. I was particularly interested in the sun and its structure and formation. I knew only of the conventional model, and often wondered about the many anomalies of the standard model's prediction of stars, such as the huge temperature difference between the core and the corona. Then, back in 2013, I happened upon my first Thunderbolts video and it was an epiphany. Suddenly,, here was a model that made complete sense; that was immediately intuitive, logical, and scalable. The dogmatic followers of the standard model rage and insult against EU because their minds are closed by the arrogance and hubris of the university system that indoctrinated them. EU theory will win out because through the advancement of our probes, telescopes, and related technologies, current model adherents will, one day, be unable to deny it. It's just going to take time because such things always do.

[@davejones7632]

_"Suddenly,, here was a model that made complete sense"_ Not to anyone familiar with basic physics.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 This guy is really a bb guy, what do I think Thunderbolts should do to stop him from coming here?

[@davejones7632]

@@trungtamienmayquocquang7233 Still nothing intelligent to say?

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 Is this guy this stupid? Why has the information been against the big bang since 2016 and now everything is deviating from bb predictions?

[@davejones7632]

@@trungtamienmayquocquang7233 _"Why has the information been against the big bang since 2016"_ Itr hasn't. Stop lying, child.

[@Flame-Bright-Cheer]

⚡🤘🏼🤓🤘🏼⚡...... we are the rebels and rockstars of modern science

[@multi_misa72]

My favorite dude.

[@yupyup6599]

what ever happened to the sapphire project it's been years since I've heard anything tho I know there was another independent study that was able to cause transmutation of heavy elements with electrical currents

[@cold3lectric]

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[@AncientAdvancedCiv]

Wondering if there are any more Aureon Energy discoveries that add a layer of observation based inference to these questions. Feels like all these open question musings have lost some luster, while we're anxioiusly awaiting what new discoveries are popping up for you guys in that lab.. Every tiny new association you could offer, is going to be shoved into all these models like puzzle pieces found under the couch.

[@dan.j.boydzkreationz]

They might be radially-expelled quasars or pulsars. That was Arp's initial hypothesis, with later observations also indicating polar expulsion.

[@davejones7632]

Quasars are not expelled from anything. They are black hole jets that are ~ face-on to Earth. Arp lost the plot, I'm afraid.

[@Bommelstein13]

It somehow reminds me of David Lapoint's "Primer fields" presentation. I see a strong resemblance between his depiction of the magnetic plasma flow and the pictures shown here. Anyone out there too?

[@raycar1165]

Yes. Have you seen his recent stuff, he’s had to leave the country and the Czech company wasn’t building the cube to spec, but now a new foundation is producing the primercube . Much ❤ Love 🌏🌎🌍☯️⚡️

[@BenHydeSPARKScience]

I have built 2 of the magnetic bowls and have them attached to a variable speed motor capable of reaching the 3200 rpm spoken of. I have noticed that there is nothing different between spinning these bowls and spinning a regular magnet...so I am wondering what the big deal is.

[@gathuckle2661]

When you hear 'proto' you think whoever said it doesn't know what they're talking about, and I agree. I also have the same reaction to 'potential' in the realm of physics. Whatever it's attached to doesn't, in reality, exist.

[@JJ33438]

EU is undeniable...I no longer can watch videos on dark matter and etc.

[@htos1av]

"...might be something else." Yeah, I wouldn't touch it....

[@LucVNO]

I think people will be surprised when it is finally revealed, stars are actually heavily metallic rocks.

[@abba95521a]

Are there any science-fiction writers who've explored or embraced the electric universe model? Or historical fiction writers who've explored/embraced Velikovsky's catastrophism model?

[@jamesweninger3679]

Goes well with the oil drop experiments that show how we get the ring and moonlet structure from an oil drop in an electric field, and Tom Van Flandern’s work on why gravity can’t form a solar system like structure.

[@jamesweninger3679]

In the oil drop experiments, we can suspend an oil drop in an electric field, but get radial streaming to a structure looking like Saturns rings and moonlets. Michael here is explaining how we get separation of elements from the magnetic field of a current flow. The key point, is that the electric field in the oil drop experiments, would have to be the same as the current direction in Michael’s idea, but BINGO, that’s perfect. So, TomVan Flandern’s proof that gravity doesn’t explain this structure, is just icing on the cake.

[@davejones7632]

@@jamesweninger3679 There is no current. We are dealing with overwhelmingly neutral gas, as the H2 emission lines show. Learn plasma physics.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 There is no such thing as the big bang it only exists in the minds of crazy people

[@jamesweninger3679]

@@davejones7632 We are clearly talking current on a radically different scale. If the solar system is shaped like the the rings and moonlets we see in the “radial streaming from an oil drop suspended in an electric field”, and the mechanism is the same, then if the structure on the solar system scale is caused by the flow of charged particles on the scale of electrons and ions, then think what the scale of charge carriers must be on the oil drop scale. The electric field, is actually a flow. Same concept we have in LeSage gravity models where a gravitational “field” is actually a flow of insanely small gravity particles. Now, since you are clearly the physics expert, you are aware that one of the original predictions of the LeSage gravity idea (originally from Newton and DeDuillier), was a finite range for gravity. Sure enough, we start seeing problems with gravitational orbits on the scale of wide binaries, and on no larger scale does that inverse square force work. We can’t explain galaxy rotation without a distribution of dark matter, can’t explain the rotation of Gould’s belt without a clump of dark matter, and can’t explain Star clusters at all. Gravity has a finite range, because the LeSage idea was right, and the gravitational “field” is actually pressure from a flow of tiny particles. Sorry for the apparent diversion, but all I’m saying is the electric “field” is actually a flow of charged particles on a scale we are no more able to perceive than we are able to perceive gravity particles. If it is electron and ion sized particles that sort and shape planets, moons, and rings on the solar system scale, what must be the size of the charged particles flowing through the rings and moonlets in the oil drop experiments?

[@jamesweninger3679]

Now, davejones7632, I have a degree in physics and looked into the very important work by Dr. Donald Scott on Bessel function filaments. I’ve found evidence that interstellar gas clouds do show that exact magnetic field structure. But the point is, in that model, all current flow of that type has a radial electric field, and this is the key to the radial streaming in the oil drop experiments. They charge an oil drop, and use an electric field to support the drop against gravity. Now, if that field, is as I say, an actual current flow, but specifically of that Bessel function type, then both the ring behavior, and the Marklund convection idea make sense. Won’t work though with current on the scale of ions and electrons.

[@kabbak]

Thanks Michael, Would love to hear your thoughts on Robert Distinti model of matter. He has New Electromagnetism pdf available on his website.

[@ronanzann4851]

This video is all well and fine. However I have only ONE question for Michael Clarage............................WHAT HAPPENED TO SAFFIRE ?

[@raycar1165]

Safire was successful and it’s now a company called AUREON ENERGY LTD.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

SAFIRE published some claims on being able to transmute elements and is now claiming it will apply this technology to nuclear waste treatment. If you believe this to be true, you should immediately invest all your savings! @@raycar1165

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

@@raycar1165 how so? what did they achieve?

[@raycar1165]

@@physicswithpark3r-x3x I’m not sure how much you know about it (Safire) but they built a rig to test their electric sun hypothesis and found transmutation of elements and about five times the energy came out as went in. Now they’re focusing on nuclear waste remediation.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

@@raycar1165 are you absolutely convinced that they transmuted elements and gained 5x energy?

[@Jollyprez]

Gyroscopic Action Particles explain electromagnetic induction perpendicular to the direction of the current.

[@FireStick-nu4pn]

Everything is electricity, aether, matter and fractals.

[@ozradek1]

even simpler everything is Fields and pressure mediation. And yes of course in the Aether. No such thing as particles.

[@FireStick-nu4pn]

Yeah. Tesla said it was all frequencies.

[@FireStick-nu4pn]

I love looking deep into geode slices. It’s electrically separating matter, frozen in time. Right angles, straight lines, shapes in bands following the ultimate shape of the outer edge, and the points that the current flowed through. They are very fascinating. I add fractals because it’s the shapes the elements settle into after being electrically separated. Rivers, tree limbs, blood vessels, lightning bolts, all look alike while preforming the same function: moving energy. Once you see fractals, you see them everywhere.

[@MyronMire]

Like a Big figure 8= ₪ the so called black hole is only the beginning of the loop/back

[@mauimixer6040]

Consciousness comes 1st 😊

[@exodustwelve2044]

Was wondering as an additional.comment if the iron needed additional protection to elongate it's life in the solarsystem

[@Birkelandaurora]

I believe in the absence of gravity ,stratification will be circular in any current stream

[@douglascalhoun6471]

I too would suspect something else. Too many times the grouping of objects into certain categories has obfuscated the true nature of said objects.

[@FloridaManMatty]

Since I was a wee lad, I have never really understood why the universe would have one set of laws for itself on a grand scale and a totally different set of rules and laws for itself on the smallest of scales. Everywhere we look in nature, we can see that it ALWAYS chooses the easiest way to make things happen. Nature prefers simplicity at every scale. Once I saw my first visual representation of a Mandelbrot set, there was a sort of intuitive understanding that I was looking at the entire universe that we inhabit. The notion that big things are far more impressive than little things also seems to be the wrong approach. The fact that there are things at all, regardless of size, is what it TRULY amazing. In the end, I do think that the truth of the whole, whatever that may be, is just too damn much for our limited capacity to reason and understand. That said, I can’t help but look at people who still make the effort and see THEM as the heroes and people worth looking up to instead of large fellows who can run and carry a ball at the same time or pretty ladies who are okay galavanting to and fro in various states of undress while they sing a song 12 producers with Pro Tools “wrote”. My 8 year old daughter knows who Taylor Swift is. That cannot be helped. BUT, she also knows who Wal Thornhill was. Who he still is, really. We live in interesting times, and it’s about time we get back to discovery instead of regurgitation of older, disproven ideas that people keep alive out of a sense of comfort and familiarity. There should always be a place at the table for the heretic. 😊

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

_ I have never really understood why the universe would have one set of laws for itself on a grand scale and a totally different set of rules and laws for itself on the smallest of scales_ whatever gave you the idea that this was the case? Certainly not mainstream physics, it claims no such thing.

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@physicswithpark3r-x3x Yet it claims that the universe came from nothing.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

physics makes no such claim either@@bichthuyentruongthi2600

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@physicswithpark3r-x3x but the orthodox universe has them saying it in a fallacious way but when you think about it you will see it is like from a void

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

perhaps - I don't know who "them" might be in your statement, nor do I know the "fallacious way" that you are referring to; however, if I think about it, it is really nothing like "from a void" so I cannot agree with that comparison@@bichthuyentruongthi2600

[@exodustwelve2044]

Is it possible that the green element might be from a phyllosilicate material. I love trying to understand our cosmic system but only at a sophmoric level.

[@SciD1]

Again, I have to ask. What do you think gravity is? Just like mainstream, you appear to be separating gravity from electromagnetism. That's a mistake... So tell me, what is gravity?

[@BenHydeSPARKScience]

It looks to be a complexified and smaller version of the London force.

[@patrickdonnelly5223]

Twisted aether released ... This energy can then knit matter. The factories are 'stars'.

[@jasonuren3479]

Funny how my mind works. I read the name Marklund and immediately thought of Birkeland 🤔

[@daviddrew7852]

Well, a Swede and a Norwegian. The Scandinavians have an intuitive grasp of plasma cosmology, perhaps because of their proximity to the auroras.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

what would you grasp in proximity to areolas?@@daviddrew7852

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@physicswithpark3r-x3xhello dave jones 2

[@Critter145]

Any news from SAFIRE?!?!

[@Critter145]

@@robertle3038 fuckin DoD…

[@davejones7632]

Yep. It's still a scam.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 bb is also a scam, idiot

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

It changed its name and became a waste treatment scam@@davejones7632

[@rogerscottcathey]

HH30 Looks for all the world like CF Krafft's model of the proton. A double vortex structure in rolling contact with an influx through the equator, and an efflux out the two oppositely pointing polar openings. The predictions were that both rings spin in opposite directions axially and coaxially. The jets themselves will also have rotation. One ring out to be blue shifted the other red shifted if that is what is going on. A proton writ large

[@picdoran]

This segregation of the elements forbids the concentration of the 'lighter' elements of H and He into the center of a collapsing nebula inorder to form a nuclear reaction core.

[@davejones7632]

And yet that is where the vast majority of the H and He is. As observed. So, not a very good argument from the amateur Clarage, is it? Added to which is the fact that we know that fusion of H is happening from the neutrino detections, ~99% of which come from the first step in the p-p chain. As predicted. Clarage just isn't very good at physics.

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@davejones7632hello good evening crazy mane😂😂😂😂 fan bbt lol

[@davejones7632]

@@bichthuyentruongthi2600 Grow up child. We are not even discussing BBT. Learn to read. It is about star and planet formation. Learn the difference. Sigh. EU really does attract the dregs, doesn't it?

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@davejones7632 So bbt also attracts scum, right? Doesn't it attract crazy people?

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@davejones7632 So bbt also attracts scum, right? Doesn't it attract crazy people?

[@raycar1165]

Much Love World Peace ❤ 🌏🌎🌍☯️⚡️ 🌞

[@philoso377]

Nice video and presentation. Page 1:12 is one of most popular slide in EU community. No one seems to care which line represents what. For instance, if red is E field and blue is B field then what is green? Green can’t be B field since blue is B. The term current is used three times in one sentence making description meaningless. Electron flow is current Field align current is current Current filament is also current. Field align current is what field?

[@ReadersOfTheApocalypse]

as far as I understand the description, none of these lines represents a field, but different trajectories of electrons.

[@EugenethePhilostopher]

All the lines here represent both E and B fields simultaneously (at different distances from the axis). This is a [magnetic] field-aligned current.

[@philoso377]

thanks for picking this up. OK do we know each color represents what in trajectory?

[@EugenethePhilostopher]

@@philoso377 colors correspond to different distances from the axis. If an electron sits on the axis, it would move along the black one. If it's at some distance from the axis - it would move along the red one. If at some bigger distance - along the blue one. And at even bigger distance - the green one.

[@davejones7632]

@@EugenethePhilostopher There is no current. This is overwhelmingly neutral gas that is bering observed. Did you not read the paper? Clarage obviously didn't.

[@thelogan2020]

HELL YES

[@jkellner3]

Mystery #3: everything this guy said whoa

[@ageorgeschroder]

cosmobiologists, where art thou... a living organism surrounds us

[@davejones7632]

I assume, with some degree of certainty, that Clarage either didn't read the paper or, if he did, didn't understand it. As the authors say in the abstract; "This nested morphology,.......strongly supports theoretical predictions..." No mention is made in the paper of Marklund nor electric current woo segregating neutral hydrogen!

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

Your mistake is not reading a scientific report, kid

[@davejones7632]

@@trungtamienmayquocquang7233 I've read the paper, child. You haven't. It is dealing with overwhelmingly neutral gas. Stars are formed from neutral gas. No electric current woo involved. Learn physics.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 How ridiculous it is that these idiots' reports are also called reports

[@davejones7632]

@@trungtamienmayquocquang7233 It's not a report. It is a scientific paper.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 Stop defending that stupid theory. Scientific reports are just a bunch of religious, logical fallacies

[@markmcd2780]

Are the guys you mention 'more correct' than Maxwell as he originally proposed his theory? Like the original work before Heinrich Hertz & Oliver Heaviside took their axe to the theory & turned quaternions into vector equations & lost a couple of forces along the way?

[@davejones7632]

So, this Marklund woo separates the elements, with the elements having the highest first ionisation potentials (such as H and He) residing on the outskirts? And those with the lowest first ionisation potentials in the centre? Have I got that right? Maybe it's me, but does nobody else see a slight problem here? The vast majority of the solar system's H and He is locked up in the big yellow thing in the centre of the solar system! How come?

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

Haha bb fan lol

[@davejones7632]

@@bichthuyentruongthi2600 Still nothing intelligent to say. Keep it up. You are a perfect example of the type of people who fall for scientifically impossible nonsense on youtube. All talk, no science.

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@davejones7632😅😂 A fool who thinks he is smart is just a fool.

[@davejones7632]

@@bichthuyentruongthi2600 As you keep proving. All talk, no science.

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@davejones7632😂😂what nonsense you talk about is more religion than science go to school

[@Spectre8282]

2 axes floating through space is fun, add an orthogonal 3rd and start giggling. 😅

[@jeffreypacker8608]

If you don't see the jets widening, you're essentially a flat earther.

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

Not about the flat earther

[@robertle3038]

Every star is a person in Esso Terika.

[@billschwandt1]

Them pictures look like your old cup magnets. I never forgot that and now I know the secret. Electrical z pinch anyone?

[@raycar1165]

High 5

[@davejones7632]

_"Astrophysicist Michael Clarage"_ Not even close.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

just what is his PhD in? I am guessing something in optics engineering, sensor engineering...

[@davejones7632]

@@physicswithpark3r-x3x Biology!

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

groan... @@davejones7632

[@j.pershing2197]

Maybe the most shadow banned channel on youtube without being cancelled

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

it is not, however, the owners of the channel do tend to ban everybody here who does not support their point of view

[@davejones7632]

@@physicswithpark3r-x3x Not happening so much these days. I think they have run out of money. The Velikovskian that supported them via his charity, has pulled the plug. They now seem to have nobody being paid to censor the comments section. Check out the 'Mainwaring Archive Foundation'. Ran by a certain A. Bruce Mainwaring, former confidante of Velikovsky. He funded these cultists for years. Not now. He put ~ $4m into the safire scam. And then presumably realised it was a scam. No more money for EU woo! That 'experiment' was supposed to investigate the impossible, unpublished, 'electric sun' 'model'. It failed. And then, amazingly, found 'evidence' of transmutation of elements! Which doesn't exist. They saw noise, and have tried to con people into investing in their woo on the basis of EDX maps that show nothing other than noise! I guess that was too much even for a Velikovskian to live with! Thornhill is dead. The funding has gone. Talbott has supposedly had a stroke. The guy who censored their forum is now retired. Scott is demonstrably physics illiterate. It was never much more than a poor relation to flat earth.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

@@davejones7632 I find it interesting that most of the commenters here seem have much in common with the MAGA crowd. I do not necessarily mean they are populist-right leaning, although many of them are, but that they are driven by a sort of indignant, paranoid rancour directed at those snooty intellectual elites who inhabit the coasts and tech belts of the nation. They feel they have been had, and to demonstrate that they won't get fooled again, they flee into the arms of the most preposterous con artists they can find! In spirit, this seems akin to the stories told by uneducated adults, which I heard half a century when I was a lad. You know the genre: "they" have a car that runs on water, Big Oil won't stand for it, and so on and so forth. The cockamamy notion that there is a Big Gravity going around suppressing The Truth tickles me to no end, as a card-carrying mainstream academic: I am still waiting for the huge bonus that is my due for spreading all those gravity lies.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

@@davejones7632 My hunch is that you are UK-based (always embarrassing to get this sort of this wrong) so you'll get the Dad's Army vibes I get with the name Mainwaring. That said, I have worked with a perfectly sane Mainwaring...

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

@@davejones7632 Looking at that archive you suggested I have a look at. Thanks! I noticed that this eu lot had Velikovskian overtones, but I had not expected a direct link. I almost feel sorry for them (almost!). Martin Gardner said it best: It was pointed out to Velikovsky that no known laws of gravity and motion can account for the ability of Velikovsky's comet to stop the earth from rotating, or for Mars' to propel Venus into her present orbit. _Velikovsky invents electro-magnetic forces capable of doing precisely what he wants them to do._ V said: "The reluctance to recognize the existence of electrical and magnetic forces in the celestial sphere is in danger of becoming a dogma, called upon to protect existing teachings in celestial mechanics." And so, to be an archivist of all writings Velikovskian, the door had to be left wide open for any and all comers who would have electro-magnetic forces do whatever circumstances may demand. Enter Talbott and Thornhill...

[@johnbreen5668]

If gravity made stars they all be close to the same size. If matter is add it blows up. There is nothing that can stop the gas from becoming a star to make a bigger star

[@bobann3566]

Gravity/Electrostatics/Magnetic Attraction = Dielectric x Magnetic = Electrification. Charles Proteus Steinmetz, JJ Thomson said an electron was 1 unit of Dielectric Induction. Why do you continue to ignore the electrical engineers responsible for our modern electric society?

[@sinalco9015]

Why don't you aknowledge the fact that heliocentrism is wrong? I am certain at least some of you are aware of that undisputable fact, so why aren't you talking about the Tychos Model of Simon Shack which is the actual true and only configuration of our Solar system ? It would solve a lot of todays enigmas !! That being said, thank you all for your amazing work !

[@Thermiable]

Heart

[@milogonzalez1334]

why do you never talk about nikola tesla's non-hertzian waves? hertz was great but tesla had some yet unanswered questions. great vid otherwise. mhd might not predict those jets, but ELECTROhydrodynamics does

[@EnergyTRE]

Electricity is a by product not the main event. Takes ingredients to make a cake. You won't have electricity till you churn the Æther and have a circuit.

[@EnergyTRE]

😂 gravity is mutual mass acceleration. They move to a point between them.

[@timbuk2.019]

But you all shyted on Terrence Howard that's crazy

[@JockDoubleday]

It's so sad that the very smart scientists of the E.U. model haven't figured out that suns and planets were built by advanced races. They turn a blind eye to the many races who advanced technologically far beyond us in a universe of infinite time. One could call it a waste of time to listen to "natural formation of solar systems" talk, but I listen, because science demands that we listen. #TrueAncients #ArtifactTerra

[@BenHydeSPARKScience]

Please share the evidence that led you to this conclusion. I'm sure there are those in the EU community who would be open to listening and considering such an idea. But please remember, the EU is a community that rejects blanket fiat statements...that is kind of what started it all.

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

So, like Von Daniken, you believe in answering no questions, just in shoving them back a few planets.

[@cold3lectric]

lol

[@davejones7632]

_"the very smart scientists of the E.U"_ Don't exist.

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 Those bbt scientists are just cult leaders trying to attract more followers

[@richardcheney6964]

More of this guy and less Richard Moore please

[@raycar1165]

Don’t you have some war crimes to be hiding from… ;)

[@jesperandersson889]

Something Elves?

[@seaofcronos675]

Damn the spam ads

[@deepcosmiclove]

Alternative theory: In the Beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth.

[@BenHydeSPARKScience]

Calling God a theory is like calling a table a wet noodle.😂😂😂

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

No one is denying the proven Words of the Almighty. Nor rightly could. Here, they're fitting together the instances of it.

[@deepcosmiclove]

@@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 Yes thank you.

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

you flubbed your joke there, it should be call a wet noodle a table@@BenHydeSPARKScience

[@BenHydeSPARKScience]

@@physicswithpark3r-x3x That is funnier. Now I want to change it...

[@RobertMStahl]

Does 85 orders of magnitude of flawless CLASSICAL physical behavior, all in closed form, based on a formal analysis of N electron count, where hydrino is ten times TNT? Lightening clapping is a piece of the Sun N 9-11. See Mental Boost 2 4 data on 9-11, pWoof, hydrino.

[@TheRyujinLP]

LOL, the iron/hydrogen emission looks like it's going, "Eh? Whatever." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

you are beliven big bang right

[@WorksopGimp]

look like birkland currents and z pinch to me

[@davejones7632]

But not to anyone that knows what Birkeland currents and z-pinches are. And good luck getting them in overwhelmingly neutral gas.

[@veganconservative1109]

Look like a bunch of partially illuminated Birkeland Currents to me. But I'm not a scientist.

[@davejones7632]

In neutrtal gas? Errrr, nope!

[@MadZax33]

Alien mining tech, making jets to shoot iron and hydrogen straight to their solar system

[@gw7157]

It's a Z pinch

[@davejones7632]

Not according to anyone who knows what a z-pinch is.

[@gw7157]

@@davejones7632 it's a birkland current collapsing it's double layers.

[@davejones7632]

@@gw7157 Lol. Learn plasma physics. Good luck getting currents in mostly neutral gas. And Birkeland currents only exist in planetary magnetospheres.

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

⁠@@davejones7632lol 😂😂 Big Bang fan stupid

[@SciD1]

Those are not forming solar systems. Rather star formation, or very young stars with jets, the signature of plasmoids.

[@davejones7632]

Says someone who obviously doesn't know what a plasmoid is!

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

@@davejones7632 commet very stupid

[@SciD1]

@@davejones7632 not the type of plasmoids you'll find in mainstream articles, wise guy. Talking about the ones the EU has been discussing for years. The ones generated in focus fusion. The ones producing bipolar jets...

[@davejones7632]

@@SciD1 None of which happens in the real world. And none of which exists in the scientific literature. Lerner had some rubbish about plasmoids, but that only works in a man-made experiment, and leads to oppositely charged currents leaving in opposite directions. Which is not what is observed. And these jets from protostars are not any sort of current. The gas is way too cool for much ionisation. Mostly what you are seeing is neutral H2. After all, that is what the star forms from in the first place. Cold, dense, neutral gas at ~ 30 K.

[@SciD1]

@@davejones7632 you can make plasmoids in a microwave oven very easily. Of course, there are no jets, because the energy, and the amount of gases, are insufficient. But you get the idea. It's a self organized plasma structure. Ever heard of Bostick's work? And it's also what ball lightning is. Now, imagine the amount of extremely powerful radiation in space, as well as the molecular clouds of gas and dust... It's like lightning in space.

[@jimihendrix991]

I have a name... ''Dark Bollocks''

[@physicswithpark3r-x3x]

pleased to meet you Mr Bollox

[@N.Y.C.FreddyBling-z9u]

Carl Friedrich Gauss is the superior mathematician above and beyond all of ''those'' as mentioned herein! :: ADD: Energy .,. of every type and ''kind'' is ELECTRIC and derivative of the primacy commencement of creation. ALSO: Magnetism is the co-companion. No? :: Wal Thornhill knew :: (* He has passed on now! SORELY MISSED! )

[@davejones7632]

Could Clarage, based on his total ignorance of all things physics related, explain where he is getting currents from in overwhelmingly neutral H2 molecular gas?

[@trungtamienmayquocquang7233]

commet stupid

[@davejones7632]

@@trungtamienmayquocquang7233 Want to try to answer the question? Rhetorical.

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@davejones7632commet stupid😂😂😂😂

[@bichthuyentruongthi2600]

@@davejones7632hello crazy name

[@Dracula-sn3so]

I’m sick of math magicians¥

[@resting_thorn]

First like claimed

[@ReadersOfTheApocalypse]

I can't verify your claim... but I appreciate the boldness

[@resting_thorn]

@@ReadersOfTheApocalypse oh it was me. when has it ever not been?

[@resting_thorn]

hail satan

[@j.pershing2197]

Math should follow the science. Science shouldnt follow math.

[@davejones7632]

The science follows the laws of physics allied to observation. EU follows neither.

[@j.pershing2197]

@@davejones7632 Thats a load of BS

[@davejones7632]

@@j.pershing2197 Nope, it is true. Take star formation, for instance. We observe stars to form in molecular clouds. We observe those clouds to be overwhelmingly cold, neutral gas. Mostly H2, at ~ 10-30 K. Ionisation fraction of ~ 1 part in many millions. We observe the filaments of cold, neutral gas falling inward towards protostars. Theory predicts that once a star has a certain amount of mass, nuclear fusion will be initiated. Theory also predicts that said fusion will produce neutrinos, with an energy specta that show that ~ 99% of them come from the first step in the p-p chain. And that is what we observe. We observe the correct number, in the correctly predicted energy spectra, to confirm theory. What has EU got? Stars form in a z-pinch (lol). Quite how you get a z-pinch in a cloud of cold, neutral gas is anyone's guess. It claims that the power that makes the Sun shine comes from electrons drifting into the heliosphere! Against a magnetic field headed in the opposite direction, at every latitude, at 100s of km/s. It claims the neutrino detections are from 'heavy element' fusion on the surface/ in the solar atmosphere. Problem is, the neutrinos are not from heavy element fusion, the photosphere is overwhelmingly neutral gas, and is too cool and sparse for fusion of any knid. The corona is hotter, but is even sparser, so you will get no fusion there, either. And if, by some sort of divine intervention (which is what EU requires), fusion did occur there, it would be very obvious as extremely dangerous gamma ray line emission. Which obviously isn't there. If it were, we wouldn't be here. And that is just one part of EU that requires us to ignore observation and the laws of physics. Which is why it is taken no more seriously than flat earth and astrology.

[@j.pershing2197]

@@davejones7632 EU does adhere to the laws of physics. Its main stream academia that "observes" the theories AS LAWS. This is a fallacy and a major problem with current observation and lab work including but not limited to Hannes Alfven. You probably dont know him. He was the leader of the Los Alamos National Physics Laboratory and Nobel Prize winner. Care to try again? Have you ever studied 5 minutes of their data? Bet not.

[@davejones7632]

@@j.pershing2197 _"EU does adhere to the laws of physics."_ No it doesn't, as I just pointed out. _"and lab work including but not limited to Hannes Alfven. "_ You made that up. _"You probably dont know him. He was the leader of the Los Alamos National Physics Laboratory"_ No, he was never at LANL. And also believed the Sun was powered by fusion. And that the solar wind was not a current, as claimed by the befuddled engineer Scott, but was quasi-neutral, with zero net current. As it must be. If you understand plasma physics. _"Have you ever studied 5 minutes of their data? Bet not."_ Nothing produced by LANL is in agreement with impossible EU woo. Anthony Peratt, who did work there (not Alfven) calls EU 'anti-science' and a 'cult'. Anything else from LANL you'd like to list? Electrons ignoring a moving magnetic field, perhaps? Z-pinches in cold, neutral gas? Let's see it. It doesn't exist. You made it up. Try harder.