Michael Collins: The Demonisation of the White Working Class

On this week's #SWYSI, our guest is Michael Collins, author of "Likes of Us: A Biography of the White Working Class" (in which he argues that in the wake of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, the white working class were cast as wholesale racist cattle by the liberal press whilst the rightwing press mocked their tastes and attitudes).
Brought up in London's Elephant and Castle, where his family had lived for generations, Collins believes that middle-class condescension towards the white working class is nothing new. Missionaries from other classes have always descended to study, influence, patronise, politicise, socially engineer, and now to demonise them.
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[@deco7250]

As a working class scotsman, with Irish grandparents and an English mother where I was brought up in the North East of England its something to be bloody proud of. My grandad was in the mines his brothers at Swan hunters. These generations and generations before them built this country. Not the Asian, black or Eastern European man. The White ethnic working class of Britain. its disgusting what's happening in the world today. You even get branded a racist for stating facts and being proud of your culture and heritage. Nothing wrong with that.

[@Londonfogey]

Check out the 1970s sitcom 'Love Thy Neighbour' on KZbin while you still can. It is always referred to as 'racist' by the BBC critics etc but if you watch it you will see it is mainly a comedic look at the inevitable clash of cultures between native white British and West Indian immigrants.

[@davidiand7]

Well said!

[@grrrlbreaker]

Minorities are civization's rats- they move in once the structure is built.

[@joemctaminey-webster1919]

A white, heterosexual, working class male like me is at the bottom of the governments priorities.

[@jonnyharry782]

Add Christian to that and your done for 😔

[@gg_rider]

That's cuz you're already super privileged ;) by being White or "yt"

[@littlenan3576]

Along with working class pensioners like me.

[@joemctaminey-webster1919]

@Matt Reynolds sorry where have I failed?

[@joemctaminey-webster1919]

@Matt Reynolds I'm happy with being working class mate, I don't want for anything. I believe people like me are at the bottom of the governments priorities and I don't give a fuck. I just go to work everyday pay my taxes and contribute to this country. I don't however, go on marches vandalising public priority because I feel sorry for myself 👌🏻

[@johnnymarshall5828]

The white working class Londoners were the soul of the city,which is now a totally different place,and not a better place

[@fourtoes412]

Totally agree!

[@scinformation7229]

@@fourtoes412 I agree. I got to London in 1980, and it was a great city. Ten years later, it was uncrecognisible

[@gillianbarker8516]

If the capitals gone what chance has the rest of the country....we are far too accepting and thought it would never happen...too late now !

[@70AD-user45]

London has now become the least British city on earth.

[@alan5863]

and then the world changed and global businesses wanted to bring wages down, make bigger profits so they encouraged free movement of labour. But the working classes, instead of blaming those in power blamed those with less power than themselves.

[@horatioredgreenblue2130]

"We have to stop their madness becoming our normality"

[@fionagregory8078]

The madness of crowds.

[@andrewrobinson2565]

If you're Horatio... I'll be Napoleon IV.

[@coromountain7649]

Too late,it already is it's history now.

[@Hickalum]

Thank you God for taking my Dad before he had to experience woke. A lifetime as a shop steward fighting, day after day after day for people taken for granted. Now he would be totally rejected by the party he worshipped.

[@yorkshirerose6334]

My father was a coal miner and like you I am glad he never had to see what is happening.

[@haroldpearson6025]

Im 79, left school at 15, engineering apprenticeship then 50 years working in developing countries 15 years of that with the UN. You should see the foul insulting messages I get telling me to go back to school etc. I came to the conclusion years ago that being well educated does not always relate to intelligence.

[@annemcniell6956]

Agree , I didn’t get a grand title, I’m a qualified interior designer, retired. I’m appalled at the ignorance of grammar , and other so called university higher subject peoples. You say something how it is without big words and they look at you blankly, then suddenly get it . I went to secondary school and lots of my peers became very well off, lots I know from grammar and universities are really struggling.

[@IvanMectin]

It's refreshing to listen to a normal conversation without the childish Gotcha interruptions. Good interview.

[@benjamin4894]

Couldn't agree more! I was just thinking how nice it is to hear two educated (white) men discussing these issues without feeling the need to qualify every statement with the usual apologies and disclaimers.

[@glengraham7080]

Isnt it amazing that sensible, non argumentative discussion like this has become rare?

[@Londonfogey]

@Gareth Thomas Mr Whittle is a good interviewer and in a more civilized age he would have been a BBC presenter, but of course that couldn't happen today as he doesn't hold the 'correct' views.

[@Londonfogey]

@Gareth Thomas I've been fortunate enough to meet with and talk to Mr Whittle a few times while attending New Culture Forum events. Off camera he's much the same and has a good sense of humour.

[@Johnconno]

Yeah, the 1970s... Eh?

[@paulrobinson1644]

"A ghost walking through a once familiar city" so true. London is lost. Not my capital city anymore.

[@offwiththefairies77]

it's not over till it's over. and it ain't.

[@michealflaithbheartaigh4139]

It sounds like Liverpool with middle class students

[@littlenan3576]

I last saw London in 2000 and it had already changed beyond recognition to what it was when I worked there in the 1960s. There does not seem to be the friendly, happy, chatting people there now. Mind you I cannot understand most of them now and remember I am talking about 2000. I dread to think how it has been changed since then. That was bad enough.

[@NotQuiteFirst]

Regardless of class, the ethnic peoples of Western countries have simply been _defined out of existence._ To say that somebody is British, French, German, Swedish, Dutch _used_ to mean they are of a particular ethnic group, in just the same way as we still use the words "Japanese" or "Korean", but today it just means any person who has been given a certain piece of paper by the government. The concept of "citizenship" has supplanted ethnicity, so the native peoples no longer have a home that is theirs. If you don't agree that David Lammy or Sadiq Khan are just as English as John Cleese or David Attenborough then you are called "racist".

[@youtubeyoutube936]

. European cultures are similar that over time we would merge into mainly 1 identity. My country does not give nationality simply because people are born there. It’s blood that counts. Anyway I can’t take some people seriously when I hear some people talking about “us British” when they identify with a non European Culture. I can’t believe they really think they are British (eg mr hamza of the SNP) when I don’t and culturally I’m much closer and have lived here for 50 years and have a British wife.

[@xxvurltuallrealityxxx1006]

KZbin KZbin Being British, and being English, Irish, Scottish or Welsh, is not the same thing, the latter four being indigenous, the former the empire lot. So Lammy and Sadiq are British, but never will they be English.

[@roddi733]

Good points well made

[@virvisquevir3320]

First - And then these "new British", "new French", "new Germans", "new Swedish", "new Dutch" celebrate and support and are loyal to their original ethnic culture. As a student, I lived for some time in a working class area of Berlin with Turkish flags hanging from almost apartment; if someone dared to hang a German flag, that would be torn down as "racist". I could't even go to the Turkish cafe downstairs to buy cigarettes. If there was a football - soccer - match between Germany and Turkey, three guesses whom the "new Germans" were rooting for...

[@scottwhat3362]

@@xxvurltuallrealityxxx1006 The term "Breton' is much older than the more modern terms you mention. Breton being a NW European Celtic ethnicity.

[@fourtoes412]

As someone who is proud to be a white, working class, skilled manual worker, I will never forget how totally horrified my white middle class Steiner School educated girlfriend was when I flew a Union Jack outside my house - as far as she was indoctrinated, only members of the National Front did this, never mind it was 1995 and we were celebrating VE day....

[@paulwalker797]

Proud to be white???...you had no say in it!! Take pride in what you do...not what you are by accident of birth.

[@fainitesbarley2245]

I remember lefty friends in the eighties being shocked by a display of the Union Jack. They saw it as a symbol of theNational Front - who of course used it a lot. I asked them why we should let fringe lunatics like the NF take over and define our flag? It was a point of view that hadn’t occurred to them. The ‘living in a bubble’ aspect of the far left hasn’t changed.

[@abigailslade3824]

paul walker why shouldn’t he be proud of the achievements of his ancestors?

[@paulwalker797]

@@abigailslade3824 You do know that genes show that so-called English white people are a mix of races and ethnicities. Being 'white' means nothing ...being English or Scottish or dare I say it European for eg is a different situation as your ancestors took part in a cultural legacy of which; if you are honest; you can feel pride and shame in equal measure. What matters is what you do...not what you are through an accident of birth or geography.

[@abigailslade3824]

paul walker so what he can be proud of being a saucepan if he wants why are you so upset about it?

[@knickertwistcopperby6066]

'The Likes of Us' is a BRILLIANT book. I read it in one sitting. Could not put it down.

[@christinecarty7422]

Where did you get if from

[@rick4electric]

Say it out loud! I'm White and I'm proud! - James White

[@dutchdykefinger]

what about frank black?

[@1982kinger]

I might be white... But my rhymes is tight

[@alyswilliams9571]

Bravo Peter! Wonderful to see Michael Collins on your show. Great talk.

[@charlyannekirby]

I feel this so strongly & I didn't even know these books existed. My dad was from a Brummie working class family. I grew up in the working class and what I have observed in this era, is that we don't have a voice. We are ignored. Being a white working class woman now is a feeling of empty ness.

[@gerrystevens9041]

not empty just surrounded and ignored.

[@TheFatController.]

People with less experience of ethnic minorities have a better view of them... Once you've spent any time around any of these minorities, you realise how negative it is to increase their numbers in our country.

[@70AD-user45]

London has already become the Islamic republic of Londonistan.

[@iaianhardy2574]

@skutch Blobaum Thicko!

[@thesouluniversal]

This is very true, of certain ethnic minorities more than others. There are cultures who integrate well that we would benefit from importing more of, however for some reason the government seem to favour importing large numbers of the most problematic cultures on earth.

[@odysseusreturns9133]

@@70AD-user45 I am so glad I left that cesspit for rural Norfolk thinking that it would never happen here. Looking at the changing demographic in Norwich has proved me wrong. And the apathy of the locals is even more disturbing.

[@stephenmackey4571]

So very true fat controller.

[@roberttreborable]

We don't want to be stuck in the same jobs as our Grandparents were we want to move on... However we don't want to lose our values to ignorant, barbaric intolerant ideologies..

[@scottw3780]

You mean when we actually used to make things and us men had real jobs?

[@joeclarke7048]

The purpose of education is not to turn working class people into middle class people. "Social mobility" is a very dubious concept, dressed up as a virtue 🤔

[@josiepie6803]

As soon as it finished I started playing it again, thank you for saying what I've felt for the last four years. ☺️

[@markletts8802]

👏well said🇬🇧

[@Dave-uf8ek]

I have worked hard all my life supporting my wife and kids, I looked up one day and realised I was the only white English person left. We have been replaced.

[@TheAaronChand]

Well the British English clonized half the world

[@Alan7997]

"Middle class university educated" How many of them studied a STEM subject vs something like Peruvian lesbian throat singing with applied grievance studies?

[@DouglasGross6022]

*LOL!!!*

[@robertwatts1213]

My wife and I studied English Literature for a BA. Then Archaeological Science as a BSc. We did these degrees as adults and they have provided two working class people with a decent living. We are proudly Working Class. It is my opinion that If you do not produce anything useful in the way of goods or services you are a parasite. The "Working Class " is a misnomer because so many of them do not work.

[@carolinenorman6141]

Alan7997 lol🙏🏼🦋🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@hannannah1uk]

Why always mock lesbians? Many of us are working class. Many of us are white. Not all of us are leftists though we know the right mock us without a second thought.

[@douglasherron7534]

@@hannannah1uk The Left mock the whole LGBTQ.... community, only they do it by pretending to care about your "group" (as they cannot understand that people have their own, personal viewpoints and do not exist in "groupthink" classes).

[@evilcraftknife5705]

"The ignorance of the educated" is my phrase of the week. Great episode.

[@kcx5817]

Working class are the real down to earth people! ....... I'm one of them ;)

[@psalm1197]

KC X the working class know WHAT REAL LIFE IS.

[@crawford1083]

Down to earth - 6 feet down ideally. So sick of listening to white chav Londoners who moved AHT to get away from all the blacks and Asians, when had they stayed put there would have been nowhere for blacks and Asians to move into! Moron boomer chavs who were the core of Thatcher;s support and the support for Brexit.

[@crawford1083]

@@jackgammon4084 True enough

[@Maelli535]

@@crawford1083 Oh, of course - you're better. I'm pleased for you.

[@davidsexton6604]

The working class have been betrayed and stabbed in the back by a cowardly middle class bunch of traitors. ,! It's all based on Fear ! Very interesting vid . It could have gone deeper .

[@cuckingfunt9353]

The stuffy nosed 'middle class' have always hated the working class, they are like the dogs of the posh house looking down on the dogs from the poor house.

[@theconversation9103]

@@cuckingfunt9353 lol the middle-class haven't 'always' hated the working class because they are a relatively knew strata of society. They came from aspirational working-class families through institutions like grammar schools, raised to do new jobs that were needed to keep the Empire afloat

[@bertiescunsbutch9323]

@@theconversation9103 lol doesn't get away from the fact that there has and is a sneering middle class who know nothing of white working class London, perhaps as teachers they did teaching children, or a visit to the green grocers and butchers , or work done in their houses whilst they held their nose, but really quite limited. Yes had to keep the Empire afloat, conscripting men who if they refused would have been jailed without good reason. I doubt very much working class people made a big jump up the ladder during Empire days.

[@jewelheart1708]

You think Labour love us? They bow down to ethnic minorities and would open the borders to everyone. Those running Labour are millionaire champagne socialists living in London. They are worse because unlike the "middle class" they have seriously shafted the white working man when their party was made to represent him and then they put migrants above him.

[@benjamin4894]

Oiii, don't put it all on the middle class! The toffs have far more power and influence and they've been more than happy to sit back and watch London become little Lahore!

[@janeoftorquayfe1513]

Really enjoyed listening as I am a born and bred Londoner, I am now in the West country that is beautiful but I miss London a lot. The Thames is in my soul we used to play on the old open boat ferry. I shall have to get his book. Thank you both for a very interesting conversation. 👍

[@janeoftorquayfe1513]

@@scinformation7229 🤗

[@tommyxbones5126]

@@scinformation7229 sad but true

[@northernsoul4477]

You lucky man! I'm in Hackney and would LOVE to live in the West Country -wanna swap?

[@ianmcatamney7213]

we are still here.

[@willibobsful]

"The Road to Wigan Pier" explains best for me who the "working class" was and how they and indeed the lower middle class were treated by The Establishment.

[@claudiavivarelli7571]

Yes... for me it describes the white slavery that fed the industrial revolution. We owe so much to those people. The Road to Wigan Pier changed my outlook.. never again will I feel sorry for myself!

[@willibobsful]

Ciccio Bello Thank you Ciccio,if you haven’t already then check out Jim Goad the American author for how he tells us more about white slavery in the early days of American conquest.

[@fainitesbarley2245]

JCBAirmaster73 Yes. Other searing descriptions of working class life are Love On The Dole, North and South and Twopence To Cross The Mersey. The latter is interesting as it is about poverty from the point of view of a middle class girl who’s family loses literally everything in the 30’s.

[@fainitesbarley2245]

JCBAirmaster73 Yep. I think it was a book or short story first by the guy who wrote ‘The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner’

[@Londonfogey]

I also recommend: 'The People of the Abyss', by Jack London. 'The Nether World' by George Gissing and 'A Child of the Jago' by Arthur Morrison.

[@markbeetham5118]

This is so on the button. It is such a relief to hear what I've believed all my life.

[@joeclarke7048]

I so enjoyed this - turning "people need to be educated" on its head. Thank you so much - it raised my flagging spirits.

[@ivannio4783]

Exactly

[@benjamin4894]

True! What beautifully articulated sentiment.

[@johnhouldingloyal]

Tony Blair had the chance to categories white English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish as an ethnic group with the UN and he didn't.

[@djicepole]

That's because he is evil.

[@robertmacleod6729]

Why would he. He is not on our side. He is the enemey

[@northernsoul4477]

Tony Blair tried to bury us.

[@saxglend9439]

Blair is a Roman Catholic satanist.

[@michaelsrowland]

When did he have this opportunity? Seems strange as the UN is a globalist organisation set up by the Rockefellers

[@TJ_USA]

I''m in the final two chapters of 'the Likes of Us'. It is an astonishing book. Collins' book is a significant cultural event.

[@disband_thebbc5933]

"Keep knocking on the devil's door and one day he might just answer"

[@johnnymarshall5828]

The lie of working class racism is a very unfair accusation,we had kids from everywhere growing up in London,they were just our mates and treated very well by us,the new influx is a different story though,they get here and start making demands when they should be very grateful to be here,the working class has been demonized,but all based on lies

[@gillianbarker8516]

Agree

[@grayzytube]

@JCBAirmaster73 Please explain what is so great about nationhood and being nationalistic. I'm 67 and I've never understood either concept. The former has caused more conflict, violence and bloodshed than any religion has. The latter needs a nation to be proud of and I've yet to visit/work in any country that doesn't think it's the best place on earth and I've yet to find one that actually is. Nationalists are a little bit like supporters of footbal teams, blindly loyal, never willing to admit the failings, omissions or weaknesses their own counry possesses in case they appear disloyal. So much for objectivity.

[@grayzytube]

@JCBAirmaster73 Why should I be grateful for expecting to be treated 'humanely'? I suspect you don't travel much outside of countries which follow the Western enlightenment philosophy model. You should try it sometime. That model is practiced by less than a fifth of the world's population and compared to say Bhuddism is nowhere near the best philosophy of life.

[@eph2817]

@@grayzytube Stop spouting rubbish.

[@lotus7eater]

So glad there's somebody who cares.

[@Mediumal]

Any building that has the words "Community Centre" over its entrance is neither a centre of anything nor indeed much of a community.

[@chrisaltman3113]

The erasure of the working class began long ago, but was hastened on after EU membership when so much of UK production was transferred to the EU, especially Germany The next major stage was the expectation of schools to get 50% of their leavers into university, whether or not that was best for the students or the country. Of course, when someone has a degree, they don't expect to be doing any sort of manual work so mass importation of cheap foreign labour began to do jobs in agriculture, plumbing, building, restaurant work etc

[@susanbrown2909]

chris altman The working class masses has weakened ,due to this country outsourcing and veering away from manufacture; which the Chinese do for us instead. They have become very powerful from it too. We need to take back production on a bigger scale and revert to times we were the true merchants ,industrialists of the world.

[@mazyzazie4048]

This discussion starts ploddingly and then 15 minutes later becomes very interesting and illuminating. Peter Whittle manages this admirably well.

[@wurlitzer895]

I was born and brought up in Eltham in the 1950s and 1960s and it was a lovely place to live.

[@pstotto]

Videos like the above, never ask WHO IS DOING IT. 'Capitalism' isn't a named person, 'the media' isn't a named person.

[@DFunct905]

pstotto globalists, there are millions and thousands in the ruling classes. It’s not so simple is pointing a finger.

[@pstotto]

@Die Europaische The culture secretary is ultimately responsible for the state appointment of the head of the BBC and the Tate galleries. Look there, for starters and hone the direction of the response, otherwise it's a kitten after a shoal of fish.

[@cuckingfunt9353]

We all know who is doing it.... The 'you know whos' are doing it.

[@CherylCold]

Probably starts at Builderburg, then filtered through.

[@iaianhardy2574]

Exactly, the authors of our demise hide behind a corporate fog: except ,of course, the whole of BBC and ITV news presenters and editors. Dont get me started on 'The Guardian'.

[@saltspringrailway3683]

In '67 we moved from a tiny town centre terraced house with an outside loo, a tin bath and a cold water tap to a pebble dashed concrete terraced house on the outskirts of the city. It had a bath, two indoor loos, a garden, was spanking new and spacious. I attended a brand new junior school with lots of open space, again a sharp contrast with the dark, foreboding junior school I had attended previously. As a teenager in the 70's I got up to mischief with my friends but NOTHING compared to what youth get up to nowadays! No-one we knew took drugs, got their girlfriends pregnant or routinely knifed other people. Sadly it would now be called a sink estate with calls to demolish it. PS The comprehensive school I attended on the estate (opened by non other than Harold Wilson) was a disaster where everyone messed about in many of the lessons and received very little education and I was seriously bullied until the roughies left upon reaching 15. It was a pile of bricks when we last looked in '04!

[@jeffjeffreym1830]

What an interesting interview. I'd never heard of this chap, but as kids we were near neighbours and I recognise the people and attitudes he describes. He's speaking my language. Thanks.

[@chrisbishop1534]

I'm 67 and can remember the later 50s, 60s ,70s,and 80s,.This was a good country .I left school at 15 with no formal qualifications and went to work in a factory with local people from around the town who were all ENGLISH. Lovely people all earning a living and then came Thatcher and goodbye manufacturing in our town.This country is now a shit tip compared to what it was.Our government is now a joke with the likes of Williamson and Patel who were sacked and then given top positions in this fiasco.We are are now an endandered species in our own country.

[@eph2817]

The same for me, no qualifications but I got an office job when I left school aged 15 in 1967.

[@michaelsrowland]

Once we got jobs and our coworkers were English and could talk English. But now who wants to work alongside Romanians or poles speaking their language

[@rick4electric]

We either fight to take our rightful place of respect or we perish!

[@gabrielleheard6366]

For the last thirty years London has become owned by foreigners. Londoners were pushed out to the outskirts. I remember going back up to London and many times asking for directions, every time it would be someone who was a stranger and could not help. London used to be a collection of small villages side by side.

[@garwvalley6946]

Lower Class. Upper, Middle, Lower. "Working Class" is a dupe term used to keep the Lower Class in their place; "Working Class and proud of it"

[@andrewfish3778]

There was a piece in the Telegraph some years back about new class definitions. You answered a series of questions and it told you what class you are under the new divisions. Both my wife and I came out as "technical middle class" because we were both born into working class backgrounds, studied (proper subjects) at university and work in professional roles, but haven't allowed that to fundamentally change our attitudes. Apparently it's quite a small chunk of society. The people causing all the trouble are a specific part of the middle-class (I've heard them referred to as lumpen-intelligensia): people who grow up in affluent families with a strong sense of entitlement, study fluffy subjects at university and then feel hard-done by because employers in the jobs they think they "deserve" don't see their qualifications as applicable (I recall a story a couple of years back about one such who tried to claim being made to work at Poundland was slave labour). There was a similar cohort in mediaeval times, when primogeniture meant the first son of a nobleman inherited the estate, the second entered the priesthood and the third got nothing. This sullent bunch caused their trouble by becoming outlaws.

[@jonjohnson3282]

Try "Undeserving Class" as another substitute term. I'm sure that's what the liberal elites believe whether we work or not.

[@youtubeyoutube936]

Even here anti Semitism. What an amazing people to be able to control the world

[@garwvalley6946]

@Worker You sound like the Middle Class who call themselves "Working Class" because they have to work for a living. They wear the "Working Class" badge and it is unearned and stolen from the Lower Class. It is perhaps the greatest example of Cultural Appropriation in our present day.

[@fainitesbarley2245]

Andrew Fish Later the younger sons all joined the army! Their best hope was to marry an heiress. “The Way We Live Now” by Anthony Trollope is a superb description of the corruption and hypocrisy of this culture. Also, Middlemarch by George Elliot.

[@kevhill8106]

One of the more insidious opinions disturbingly prevalent among the left wing middle class friends I have and love, is that the working class (referring to white working class people of course) shouldn't have a vote! Flattering themselves that Plato's Republic presciently alluded to people such as themselves when he proposed that we should be governed by philosophers! My reference to The Republic passed over their heads. This was a post Brexit conversation of course. They were also self editing because I'm the only white working class friend they have!

[@narutoniichan]

Your friends are insane.

[@roberttreborable]

Of course as you know, people who don't have a vote are ignored... As they have before .... Only after getting the vote did health and safety come into play.....

[@thedingo1572]

how will you arm. I’m curious as to where you will obtain guns?

[@ratherlargehooter8200]

I couldn’t have middle class friends like that, I find them soft and naive with no sense of humour, I’d forever be wanting to give them a slap, I’ll stick with me own.

[@RayThackeray]

What a utter bunch of lies.

[@ruthirwin8222]

Great interview...im tired of being told the only reason i voted for brexit is im old and white.....im only 63 lol.....this is after all a white country .... we live north of equater ...so we are whit so we can make more vit d in less sunshine..its not racist

[@fainitesbarley2245]

I help out with my local football club. I’ve never asked but I would put money on the whole lot of them, teams, coaches, supporters having voted Brexit. None of them care at all about black or middle eastern players - as long as they’re good blokes. This whole leftist narrative about the stupid, racist white working class is a myth.

[@fraseredkins2509]

Excellent intellectually refreshing/stimulating discussion.

[@junesmith790]

There is hope for “us” when we have these two Fantastic gentleman Love this conversation. Thank You

[@maureenrhysjones4643]

I agree June!

[@junesmith790]

@@maureenrhysjones4643 👍💕

[@Google-Account-hd5dk]

On the degree educated point: one of my friends who is very talented and has always achieved high scores in exams literally asked me what the EU was, the day before they voted to stay in. That's why I always laugh when people pretend the stay side were incredibly well-informed.

[@bluevan12]

I have a degree and voted out.

[@chrishill6715]

The army can't get recruits I wonder why.

[@disband_thebbc5933]

Have you seen how the 'Elite's' treat the veterans of our armed forces. No wonder they have trouble recruiting.

[@keithd4406]

And if the new recruits show any signs of patriotism, well you're immediately labelled " far right " , and drummed out , its such a shame.

[@awolgeordie9926]

Any white lads signing up to defend Africans and Muslims who despise them must be mad.

[@williamdixon2368]

Why would fight for a country that doesn't belong to us White people! In a demographic & cultural sense

[@williamdixon2368]

Our country has been taken away from us by leftist fascists

[@johnburman966]

As a young Rhodesian professional working in London in the 1970,s the lefties I met were spoiled trendies, completely shallow wanting the moral high ground. Never experienced pain, hardship.....but it's coming in their old age.

[@benbirch2393]

We were never asked.

[@geoffhalsey2184]

The educated middle class who live in expensive satellite areas (ESA) outside of the cities, have no experience of what it's like to see their town become as strange as a foreign country. I've often thought what an interesting experiment it would be to crowd fund housing in ESA and then rent them out extremely cheaply to our new overseas arrivals. Initially culture shock to the town and then, over time, the realisation that colonialism isn't just a European phenomenon, as they find themselves part of a dwindling indigenous minority.

[@viewfromthill673]

Was having this very conversation with my work mates. I said if i won multi millions i would do exactly this in the Middle Class areas just to give them a 'taste' of Diversity is our Strength. I do not recognise my Town now it feels like a UN project.

[@michaelsrowland]

@@viewfromthill673 the un was set up by the Rockefellers.

[@michaelsrowland]

Do you mean the white educated middle class?

[@viewfromthill673]

@@michaelsrowland Yes- not necessarily educated lol but certainly the Middle Class types who preach about the benefits of Multiculturalism but don't actually live with it's problems.

[@geoffhalsey2184]

@@michaelsrowland No not really, but they do make the majority of the well salaried, though a good income isn't the main factor. It's that walk like a duck and quack like a duck thing that forms the basis social groups and cultures.

[@MUNRO13]

This channel is amazing. And your guest today was very enlightening for me.

[@mick947]

The smugness and contempt shown by people who see themselves as having educated themselves above the working man just shows what a status seeking society we are and how quickly we can all turn into snobs.

[@maureenrhysjones4643]

Now isn't that the truth! I'm a working class gal who educated my kids...and now they look down on me!

[@jacquistephens605]

We are only demonised if we allow ourselves to be demonised. xx

[@belltopcone]

Its just plain snobbery no more and no less, driven by materialism and narcissism.

[@taqiya3504]

It is better to be uneducated than badly educated.

[@suemassey5076]

A very sound point

[@maxkite4170]

I was in Elephan and Castle (La Infanta de Castille) in the '70s and it was 99% white working class. Now?

[@kingbobiivboofftwitter1758]

You've articulated exactly how I feel so perfectly. Thank you.

[@ianjack7537]

working people don't need education they are born with common sence

[@frankday1234]

I'm white, English, male, heterosexual, and working class., and a nominal Christian. I don't need telling about prejudice or discrimination, it's been open season on the likes of me for the past 40 years at least.

[@thenewmaniscoming6533]

THATS BECAUSE YOUR ALL WINGING MORONS DESTINED TO DISAPPEAR.

[@frankday1234]

@@thenewmaniscoming6533 Dream on snowflake.

[@frankday1234]

@@thenewmaniscoming6533 Dream on duchess.

[@steveswitzer4353]

Wonderful book as the son of an Irish immigrant born in Leyton I totally get this, still live in east London support orient and agree with all he says it’s all been betrayed

[@raimesey]

Invest in some better microphones. The sound quality is terrible which is a shame because your content is very good. Something to consider.

[@richardhumphreys8662]

Thank you for another engaging and informative conversation. I really appreciate this channel.

[@bigboyrambo2009]

The British working class has been ethnically cleansed.

[@Wilhelm4131]

they are being cleansed, we haven't lost yet since we are still the majority of the population but we are limited on time. Maybe we have one more generation left til it is beyond saving.

[@celticvixen8002]

Join Patriotic Alternative .... the only organisation that will fight for our country.

[@juanhunglow2220]

I was born in Walworth, just up the road from the E&C and grew up in that area until I moved out in my late 20’s. He’s 100% correct👍

[@bcfc18751]

Getting this great video out to the masses!! Keep telling the truth!! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✝️🙏🏼🇬🇧⛪️

[@beetlegin]

Great conversation about a topic that is now taboo. Far too short !

[@raymondolunn]

Nice seeing the book behind Peter Whittle, 'Londoners' by Craig Taylor. I'm in that book talking about homelessness in London from a white northern lad's perspective of London from a white 'working class' Leeds lad.

[@psalm1197]

Raymond Lunn 👏👏👏 Glad he included your insights.

[@fainitesbarley2245]

Who knows “Maybe It’s Because I’m a Londoner” now?

[@Confusion.and.Delay...]

They cannot wait to send Boxer to the knackers.

[@primafacie6442]

Establishment has done that with the Boxer metaphor being the UK Armed Forces (traditionally the backbone being from working class). Consider the impact of Blair’s Good Friday Agreement, Iraq WMD nonsense, criminalisation of loyal servicemen and many others that have been abandoned with PTSD and related psychological and social problems. Now that same Blair foreign policy has undoubtedly contributed to uncontrolled migration and the domestic horror of radical Islamic terrorism.

[@mikethemanc9077]

Wait till the English man has had enough you won't know what's hit you , seems to be simmering at the moment

[@deborahrobertson8606]

Thank you so much for the excellent channel, Peter. Another fascinating conversation. We're in the midst of a great replacement. Deracination and the erasure of our history and culture is key in their process. When does the resistance start...and how?

[@maureenrhysjones4643]

Having aired our feelings, I truly believe it has started. One thing that will never die is the will of the British people. I would happily return to UK to support it! In fact it is uppermost in my mind!!

[@johnroberts2878]

Michael is a great bloke. Loved his book. I come from Walworth so it chimes with me. Think we might have gone to the same school: William Penn.

[@Liamfulful]

I am British, white & working class and from my experience the left hatred towards us is because deep down they know we will never vote for their ideas and they feel we have always been an embarrassment to them. Brexit has brought the left hatred out in the open... Just look at the Labour a party which was set up for the working class is now taken over by the woke middle class leftist who go out their way to alienate the working class from the only party that truly represented them. I voted Conservative for the first time and I have zero regrets and talking of conservatism the working class have lots more in common with conservatism than of the current hard leftist ideas.

[@bertiescunsbutch9323]

Superb discussion , Michael Collins description on what has happened in London and elsewhere is so real and familiar. Our capital city and people ruined by sneering elites.

[@jac627]

Growing up I always respected the cultural middle class and aspired to perhaps not to join (as that would be impossible coming from a solid working class background) but to share similar values and lifestyle. Since brexit and now their reaction to the Poundland plague I have realised what a total embarrassment they have become and never before have I been so proud to be called working class as I see a strength and stoicism that has clearly been drained from what are essentially a bunch of educated idiots.

[@mabelheinzle8758]

Thank you

[@d.marques4700]

An outstanding conversation, truly! Lots of key-information to be absorved by us...

[@jjs3287]

Always fascinating to listen to Michael, his description of the typical comprehensive school teacher types in the 1970s was spot on!

[@richardsevern2973]

When I was a kid, you could leave a job and walk straight into another.

[@misfit2022]

In the future I expect more and more will shun university especially the male population as what they are teaching is no longer relevant to young men. I lived in west London, more M4 than up west, and London is all about house prices now and the divide between the old and new residents as highlighted by John Lanchester in Capital.

[@misfit2022]

Vera Bennett There may be some subjects they have not decimated yet like maths and engineering as not really sure how they are going to screw those up yet but I am sure they will give it a go. The options seem more limited now as even in the 90’s there were factories to roll in and out of depending upon alcohol consumption the night before but when I go back a lot of these big employers have gone like EMI in West London and other factories have been turned into housing. The employment landscape is very different now. My advice to sons get a trade and my choice if I had my time again plumbing. My ex neighbour is a plumber and managed to rent his flat and save for a deposit faster than the market rising. He moved last year into a nice 3 bed house. He said he was 40’s so it was time but that would be my choice if I was 18 again.

[@timeweston]

Funny. The front page of our local newspaper had a photo of the year's graduating students marching down the main street. About a dozen young women in cap and gown...and one guy. Turn the page and a large article bemoaning the lack of women in public life. They are currently enjoying the halcyon days where they can ignore reality and be applauded. Trouble is....its harder to ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. There's going to be one hell of a reckoning.

[@misfit2022]

TRW1974 See next week’s article where have all the decent men gone says one graduate. Another graduate says I got this great job in a lawyers office but 99% of the office are female. Another graduate says for every 5 females there is only one man? Who are we going to marry says another graduate because I’ve not done all this to start dating down. Meanwhile many men are blissfully happy In their own space doing what they want when they want with little knowledge of the frustration around them because the graduates haven’t noticed these young men because that would involve the sin of dating down 🤣

[@misfit2022]

Vera Bennett Considering maths is mostly numbers which came from India through China to the Middle East and into Europe through Fibonacci I am not sure where “decolonisation” comes into it but I am sure it will. Law is all female now and the articles I have read angry too. It was still old stuffed shirts when I was before them. Not sure I would have got the lucky breaks I had then now. So Doctor Vera Bennett then 😁. A friend’s brother moved to Germany for more secure long term rental set up as a general handyman and rarely comes back. In the UK there is much short term rental but he wanted 5; 10 years sort of tenancy. I think it should be for a few weeks at least as a day doesn’t teach the momentum needed to get up each day. I completely agree little hope for young boys at present in the UK and statistics show even less hope if from a background where the parents are no longer together. I think the fact mine were together saved me a prison sentence as they called it a stable home life. A friend of mine who’s parents were divorced got 3 years because they said prison would give him the discipline he needed.

[@Londonfogey]

@@misfit2022 LOL at 'dating down'. The odd thing is very few men would even think of such a concept, it's an almost exclusively female idea. Men just date women they find attractive, either in personality and/or appearance, and aren't bothered what she does for a living.

[@BabaBest2000]

I'm white working class and I'm Muslim. I get it from both ends. It's awesome.

[@bcfc18751]

Sharing this on Twitter. Great truthful conversation! 🙏🏼🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✝️

[@benjamin4894]

It's difficult to have a legit 'working class' 2 decades after all the 'essential' work was moved offshore!

[@carolineflanagan6855]

We in the UK have more foodbanks than mconalds and burger king combined, nearly 5million kids living on or below the poverty line, poor outcomes for so so many, it a modern day tragedy and we need another way forward and fairer distribution of the wealth and a better quality of life for the masses not just the few elites at the top of the food chain

[@jerryweeks1231]

Thank you very much. What an interesting talk.

[@dannyd9872]

Really great interview. Thank you PW. x

[@New-Moderate]

Brutalism - one of many 20th century architectural styles that promoted Marxist demoralisation. It had no inspirational or uplifting quality. Just a curiosity at best.

[@barriejackson3294]

Orwell focused his anti on the intellectuals of his time, but I think that the so called Middle Class could be added in there to. They're not intellectuals, just snobs. "England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.” - George Orwell, 1941

[@ajdarc880]

Lets look at the educated ignorant!! Thank you! Am black migrant very patriotic about Western Europe. Thank you for writing this... cry for our beloved Blighty😢😢😢😭

[@joedoe783]

I really like this interviewer. He comes in, asks a good succinct question, and then gets out of the way again quickly to let the guest speak. People could learn from this approach.

[@rogerking2888]

The service economy killed us. Shit unstable work with no Union representation. That took away the route be becoming politicised for a lot of working-class people. Thus you end up with the low talent / low intellect people you have in Parliament now. Capitalism wasn't our friend. Next time you hear someone say "I'm socially and economically liberal", they're espousing the ideas that have crushed us. Economic liberalism in the 80s was joined by social liberalism in the 90s,and then the Tories came along with austerity, which was basically liberalism on steroids and hey presto, look at what you've got now.... Oh well at least the Army and professional football are still viable working class career paths. Great video 👍

[@Jamie_Pritchard]

I'm amazed Cathy Newman hasn't sued this channel for appropriation of her catchphrase, lol

[@peterrichardson9248]

50 years ago I was schooled about sailing and the sea at my college by a retired lifeboatman. He was quite a character and referred to us as the "inteligensia" in quite a condescending way but with a hint of humour. I never quite understood it then but he was decades ahead of his time. We were very lucky to have someone like him teaching us and became far better seafarers because of his insights and opportunities to experience struggles with the sea but in safety.

[@emit9462]

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

[@Jonnie-Falafel]

I'll get Michael Collins book. It will be interesting to compare and contrast with Owen Jones's "Chavs: The Demonisation of the Working Class" where Jones seems to misunderstand what was meant by 'chav'.

[@bluevan12]

@James Donnelly Chavs generally don't work for a start and have no sense of style or taste at least if your working class you should own at least one decent suit.

[@alundavies8402]

@@bluevan12 chav is a short form of the word chavor that is usually if you are speaking to a group of chavvies you speaking to a group of boys but as my language is not spoken much here it’s being used to speak about people who have not got a chance of being employed at something that they might be good at because people with the authority to help them are defining those people as useless and drunks but a lot aren’t and would definitely work if it wasn’t so risky towards keeping a roof over your head and people that say that the benefits system is not helping people to find work cut it to the barest minimum and sanctions are what happens if you aren’t well enough to sign on or some rather draconian ruling that means that a great many people are suffering from depression and have not got any way to access the right help because the people that are supposed to be there to help you don’t seem to be able to understand what you are saying and write something that is the opposite of what you said so that means the only thing that makes them forget about that for a little while is something that you either drink or smoke people that are really marginalised have the label chav when they are just lost and have nothing to look forward to

[@alundavies8402]

@@bluevan12 yes one other thing is how are you to buy a decent suit on bare minimum like not enough to heat up your house and eat as well

[@tonycooke8545]

In a nutshell: the Turkey's voted for Christmas......

[@glynreed1]

The Likes of Us is a great book. The writing was writ large on the wall when it came out but many - certainly the political and media class - didn’t want to know. I’m appalled by the treacherous betrayal of our forebears.

[@2trichoptera]

Excellent discussion. Grew up in London in 50s & 60s - a working class family & this sounds so familiar. We grew up with a range of immigrant groups and families & lived side by side very happily. In terms of disadvantaged groups in the UK, white working class boys are way behind black boys from the same backgrounds in terms of educational attainment & career opportunities. Lots of help for BAME but nothing for this group. See my own students 'become woke' & despair because never question where their information comes from, or go back to the source.