Michael Collins.... You can have your seven minutes.

[@anishapoorwakispotta7754]

As an indian I m slowly learning about the history of ireland. Its interesting and sad at the same time. Watching this movie brought tears to my eyes. Michael collins was a true hero.

[@aussiegod4269]

James Henderson no he didn’t

[@aussiegod4269]

James Henderson Yeah because he had no option. Anti treaty forces were adamant that they would not back down and would seek to restart the conflict with the Brits. Michael in response to the occupation of the four courts by anti treaty forces went to British again to see if he could get it amended so they didn’t have to swear allegiance to the crown. The Brits refused and basically stated that Michael get the situation under control or they would consider the uprising as a violation of the treaty and would thus invade the whole island. With either side not backing down Collins had to make a choice on what was best for the republic and the Irish people. Either side with de Valera and sacrifice everything he and the Irish people had fought for in the war for independence and die as a martyr to a lost cause, or side with the Brits and accept the burden of being deemed a traitor but knowing that the free state would be preserved and no more lives would be unnecessarily taken. He made that latter choice because it was by far the most sensible and thus attacked four court. Maybe you put yourself in Collins shoes before judging him and realise how twisted de Valera was. He didn’t betray the Ira they betrayed him because they weren’t willing to compromise

[@aussiegod4269]

James Henderson Mate ww1 had ended, the entire British army returned home and therefore had its full firepower directed against Ireland. And not just Britain but the entire empire including Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa along with other colonial states. A small island with little to no resources wouldn’t last a week. It wouldn’t be an invasion it would be sport for the British.

[@ajohara8664]

James Henderson, they only offered a ceasefire due to international pressure, the british would easily have demolished the IRA, who hadn’t the provisions to fight the british in conventional warfare. It was either an oath of allegiance, or cromwell all over again, if I were collins, i would without hesitation swear allegiance to Britain, rather than see the people of ireland be slaughtered like cows, if you wouldn’t, you’re a traitor.

[@ajohara8664]

James Henderson the uk could so easily have waged all out warfare with the ira, who only had a couple thousand rifles to their name, also there was international pressure on britain, coming from, irish america, france, the league of nations and the pope

[@MsAlchemie]

I'm hungarian. Lived in Ireland for 15 years. This was such an irish thing to say - nearly all the irish people I know would have pulled the same thing off the same way..💖

[@jclarke313]

"Do I get to wear that hat" Gets me every time🤣🤣

[@jamie8032]

100 years on. The greatest man of Irish blood to have ever lived. Rest in peace big fella.

[@shredder9536]

He was a traitor who collaborated with the British

[@tomstone7673]

Bullshit what about Tom Clark and all who was there with and before.him Collins yes i take my hat to him one of the best of Irish patriots but so was all of them . Who's the frist name on the proclamation .

[@MarkHarrison733]

He betrayed Ireland, which is why the IRA killed him.

[@pats3071]

@F. Murphy Yeah take what crumbs the Brits give us right? Better to fight and die for true freedom of the ENTIRETY of Ireland than to give them part of it and swear allegiance. Ireland is now more British than it was 100 years ago.

[@patrickr9417]

He was born British.

[@FUNKINETIK]

The Big Fella was born 130 years ago today (16-10-1890). The Greatest Irish Hero. I’m proud to have Cork Irish blood running through me. My Grandpa, Thomas Patrick Hayes, was from Youghal his mother’s maiden name was Collins. We should all follow a path of freedom. Big Love for the Big Fella.

[@campfreddy3547]

Happy birthday Mick the Big Fella,130.

[@inverterville]

I am from youghal East Cork and best wishes to you my friend

[@ΣταματιναΧασομερη]

I was visited Ireland in the year of 1990

[@shivenpatel2158]

I believe Michael Collins the father of our Nation accepted the treaty so that we could become a republic peacefully without any violence,and that Mr Collins thought that partition is a temporary measure,which means if the Northern Irish wanted to unify the British government would allow it. Long Live Michael Collins Victory to Ireland 🇮🇪

[@user-qi5jw2hg1c]

The father of your nation? What about the North? Typical southerner- the Irish Nation existed long before your little Republic. It does not claim the Irish Nation. Some victory eh? Getting the Nation permanently partitioned and becoming a slave of the EU. Twit

[@ajohara8664]

James Henderson, I agree with that, we should leave the EU and the UN, something we can agree on eh?

[@benitolonard4441]

Don't mind that E idiot. He/she's a only a UK citizen.

[@Minime163]

@@ajohara8664 maybe we should rejoin the UK while we're at it

[@Minime163]

@Koulik Ghosh no it would never work we left the UK in the first place because because as far as Ireland was concerned it was a tyrant occupying force. You can say that's all in the past now but just look at Brexit northern Ireland and Scotland voted with good majorities to stay in the EU a perfect example of the democratic system its self working against the smaller countries in the union, and I think the present government who are willing to break international law can't be trusted having said that I think it's unfair to say England is stiffening the orher countries culture's and the monarchy in its self doesn't bother me although I do think that the visit to Scotland last week was just patronising head patting to get Scotland back in line as was the visit to Ireland in 2019, still that wouldn't be a reason in its self for Ireland not to rejoin the UK there are much bigger and more serious reasons than that.

[@fredlandry6170]

I love Ireland what a beautiful place.

[@jurtra9090]

Michael Collins accept the treaty with the British to create an Irish Fre State so he could later on revoke it and declared an Irish Republic without further violence. He saw those things through FREEDOM TO ACHIEVE FREEDOM

[@shredder9536]

But he started violence and we still dont have freedom

[@itzskizzyk5472]

The Brits would just come back again mate.

[@Justmynewaccount]

"You kept us waiting 700 years. You can have your 7 minutes." BOOM.

[@Justmynewaccount]

David Rendall That would have been De Valera --- not Collins (who had been dead for 20 years). Let's not forget Chamberlain's own sympathies for the Third Reich, shall we ? Or Edward VIII ?

[@davidrendall7195]

Sorry I think that was meant for a different thread -De Valeras retort to Churchill in 1945. Collins is a very different fish and one worthy of study and respect. If were counting early admirers of Hitler we can include a great number of people like Joe Kennedy. By May 1945 there wasn't much support for him anywhere. Edward VIII certainly flirted with third reich but for all his soppy politics Chamberlain was only ever played by hitler, I don't think he was never an admirer.

[@markharrison2544]

Chamberlain was not a Nazi sympathiser.

[@TheTruthness2011]

Waa - yee-all believe-in character-portrayals 😂 🤤.

[@patrickmcdonough4472]

Quality

[@EmmoF2]

That's what I love about being Irish, we have a healthy disrespect for everything! 🇮🇪

[@tenmrchicken2719]

Do we tho or is that just you?

[@YourNeighborhoodJackass1917]

Well said.

[@ardshielcomplex8917]

Thankfully we Australians inherited from you.

[@revan5922]

💚🤍🧡

[@Eoin999]

Very true.

[@padraigoneill3873]

Rip the greatest Irish man to ever walk this earth

[@tehf00n]

Dave Allen?

[@shredder9536]

Why do you consider a traitor to be the greatest IRISHMAN? Do you like people who wage war using British weapons?

[@shredder9536]

@Michael Collins my county is still under British rule.

[@090okoful]

Sign the treaty, or Churchill said to his Collins there would be war in three days,with Britain sending thousands of troops Collins didnt want to sign the treaty, but it was something that had to be done.it broke him.De valera stayed in Ireland the whole time.Such was De Valera's intense hate of the English presumably

[@shredder9536]

@Mr. [Bones] the North never voted on the issue. You make crap up as you go along.

[@natedorney7032]

God bless the memory of the big fella!!!

[@carnocunt5983]

Qui-Gon Jinn and Micheal Collins being played by the same brilliant actor makes me happy.

[@oceanicgirl5619]

Poor Michael rest in peace thx for being the best u could be inspires all other people in war to be as brave as u ❤️

[@derekoreilly6526]

One of the best Irishman ever

[@AwRighttttt]

@@TheDaverobinson he's known as a traitor to lots and lots and lots of people and that's what happens to traitors..

[@ajohara8664]

Awk sure ok, lots and lots of people? pretty sure its a small minority who think he was a traitor

[@jurtra9090]

How can he be a traitor if he was fighting for independence?

[@AwRighttttt]

@@memetopia5130 Yeah I understand that now boss.. I was completely brainwashed obviously when I typed that It's a joke but yeah definitely one of the greats.. Just another martyr Nd another reason we can't ever give up on our people Nd country He didn't so we shouldn't either..

[@AwRighttttt]

@@memetopia5130 The amount of stuff I've found out the past year I didn't know a year ago is litterly crazy

[@odonnchada9994]

God Bless Éireann. ☘🇮🇪

[@markirish7599]

Thanks Michael for making me a Irish citizen instead of a subject .rip mr Collins

[@markirish7599]

@James Henderson thankfully I don't live in the uk. I'm Irish

[@user-qi5jw2hg1c]

@@markirish7599 You still were Irish even living in the UK idiot

[@beaglaoich4418]

@@user-qi5jw2hg1c think his point is he’s not a subject he’s a citizen

[@user-qi5jw2hg1c]

@@beaglaoich4418 I am an Irish citizen, as well as being ethnically Irish, but am still a subject by virtue of living in the North. So my point to him was its not mutually exclusive

[@jonathanwebster1385]

Technically people born in the UK (or to British parents) aren't subjects, and haven't been since the 1948 British Citizenships act, but 🤷

[@hurleymaker]

RIP Micheal Collins😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩

[@marleyhalpen1563]

he was a coward traitor who swore allegiance to britain. hes no republican and if u support him neither are u u fuckin hun

[@cd2355]

marley halpen The Brits swore that if Collins and Griffiths did not except the Anglo-Irish treaty there would be 'Terrible War'. You do realise that if Collins did not except the treaty our country would have been destroyed, our people massacred and raped. It would have been Cromwell all over again.

[@barbarahallinan1151]

marley...............get back on your meds.

[@footballireland3623]

marley halpen you ignorant fuck, Collins saved the nation by signing the treaty. Ireland would have been destroyed if it weren’t for him. De Valera was the true traitor

[@celticwarrior9123]

marley halpen Michael Collins was a Patriot, but he also was a realist and he knew that the British Army' which at the time was the most powerful army in the world would steamroll our country, he just wanted the Brits out as fast as he can. The movie was very... very.... accurate with events, only I didn't like the way they portraied Dev' who also was a true Patriot. Tiocfaidh Ar La ✊😠 from across the pond in the States.🇮🇪🇺🇸

[@user-jo4of6rr6b]

My favourite military leader. His values still live in the soldiers of the Irish Defence Forces to this day.

[@kasimsultonfan]

I wish I could agree , I truly do...

[@shredder9536]

Collins was a crap soldier. His first gun battle was Beal na blath and he got killed standing up in a fire fight

[@johnmurdoch8534]

Rofl if so then the anti treaty guys rrally should have won given the embarassing state they are in.

[@derekoreilly6526]

Ireland’s greatest Michael Collins

[@austinmoore7328]

The greatest Irish man who made me proud to be irish rip our heroes 🇮🇪

[@Dabhach1]

"Do I get to wear that hat?" ZING!

[@hannahdyson5603]

Don't think the other guy was amused however

[@Briselance]

Joe Francis "No! This hat is mine!"

[@roelvandervelde1596]

That must be short for baZINGa.

[@daniellinehan63]

devy had one signed by Churchill in his closet

[@Consulart77]

A true Irish hero. Got the British out of almost all of Ireland and laid the groundwork for a possible future unification with the North.

[@ajohara8664]

James Henderson, he didn’t enforce it, the irish electorate enforced it, he had plans to remove it

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

Keyword: almost.

[@irishcountryman4866]

Ireland were lucky to have someone like Michael Collins. England ruled a quarter of the world at that time and were the most powerful country. To even get 26 counties was an achievement. We should be thankful for all those brave men and women who sacrifices their lives for the freedom we have today. God bless them all 💚☘️🇮🇪

[@jlawlor7560]

@@irishcountryman4866 true well said

[@shredder9536]

@@irishcountryman4866 the British are still occupying our county. That's not freedom

[@elenafoleyfoley168]

He is turning in his grave to see the condition his beloved country is in 🇮🇪💔🙏🏻

[@Pumpherstonsmith]

Don`t talk shite its outperforming the UK on every level or is this sour grapes from a Brit.

[@dars5229]

I think he'd just be glad that even if we make mistakes, at least after centuries we're the ones making them. And not bending our knee to some inbred "king" that even most of the English don't want.

[@JamesRichards-mj9kw]

@@Pumpherstonsmith Ireland is a tawdry European cesspool now. It openly welcomes perversion.

[@JamesRichards-mj9kw]

@@dars5229 The monarch is a powerless figurehead.

[@patricklamshear6662]

Micheal Collins my hero.

[@Bazookatone1]

I just noticed, the British general salutes British army style, palm out, but Collins salutes palm down. Didn't want to be too similar, I suppose. And I love the line "So, that's what caused all the bother" you do really get the impression that he would rather have not fought.

[@Ryan-tq7oi]

"I hate them for having made hate necessary. I will do what I can to end it." - Michael Collins He really rose to the task, but lamented that violence was necessary.

[@MarkHarrison733]

@@Ryan-tq7oi He betrayed his own people.

[@martin7955]

What a man.

[@EnglishRepublican48]

The sight of that flag comming down pleases my soul😊

[@kasimsultonfan]

Like the man said , it took us 700 years to get there. The job's not even finished yet and those clowns in the Dáil are throwing our little country to the wolves.

[@matthewlo55]

The most epic part of the movie.

[@MarkL-we8uk]

The actor playing the pompous British officer was quite a well known one in Ireland for playing stereotypical characatures of upper class English gentry back in the 1980's / 1990's and made a comfortable living from it.

[@Minime163]

George has come up in the world scence he used to give miley romantic advice on glen roe.

[@stephenmurphy2212]

Today (16th January 2022) is the 100th anniversary of the handover of Dublin Castle to the Irish state by British forces.

[@Truth-Impartial]

A True Irish Patriot

[@Dan4CW]

I love this movie even though my grandfather was a member of the anti-treaty army.

[@MarkHarrison733]

Everyone should have joined the anti-Treaty side in 1921.

[@daithideburca98]

Imagine the joy of seeing the butchers apron lowered, what that must have felt like I can't imagine

[@qwnxio6603]

Love irish

[@HolyRomanEmperor90]

Michael Collins actually did say this, but the person he said it to was actually Lord Edmund FitzAlan-Howard, the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, not Nevil Macready as shown in this scene.

[@alexgunawan98]

His way is an example to follow if anyone want to form your own gov and states.

[@Matthew3952]

This was good

[@longshot-wn4ib]

England was only incharge of ireland for about 400 years not 700 years because they only had controll after the plantations (1556 to 1620)

[@Daniel-dw9xt]

longshot 246886 we still fought them.tho

[@TheDaverobinson]

Ciaran O'Connell consumes you, your hatred does. Bitter you have become. Gay lord you are.

[@ajohara8664]

longshot 246886, england still ruled part of Ireland for the other 300 or so years (the pale) so he’s right.

[@Minime163]

True

[@heliotropezzz333]

The Norman rulers of England invaded Ireland in the 12th century.

[@FastEddy396]

What is the piece of music in flag lowering

[@CradaOC]

Its sad that the butchers apron still flies in some countries

[@tonybarde2572]

The Irish George Washington

[@sobbyhasselhoff]

Collins didn't own slaves.

[@tonybarde2572]

@@sobbyhasselhoff Washington Let his slaves go

[@sobbyhasselhoff]

@@tonybarde2572 that's nice. Michael Collins never owned any in the first place.

[@tonybarde2572]

@@sobbyhasselhoff Yeah

[@siobanethier]

Hello Stephen… do you live in Cookstown?

[@rhiannonodonnabhain890]

Down comes the butcher’s apron….

[@roberdink]

Someone please tell me, what song was being played as the flag was brought down?

[@turmuthoer]

It’s a real shame things had to turn out like that. If only our politicians had set aside their pride and arrogance to grant the Irish home rule when it was still favoured over independence, to accept the obvious need for significant concession and democratisation, perhaps these great islands would still be united to this day.

[@albertoalbores3842]

Any bastard who spit in the British Empire's face deserves all our respect. Ireland forever, San Patrick Battalion, Mexico will never forget you!

[@dars5229]

Just as Ireland remembers our Mexican brothers and sisters. México por siempre!

[@Mike-O-Sullivan]

Viva John Riley!

[@MarkHarrison733]

Collins was killed because he used artillery from the British to turn Ireland into a colony of the British Empire.

[@JamesRichards-mj9kw]

Collins betrayed Ireland.

[@KingdomEnfilade]

What's the consensus in Ireland on Collins and the pro-treaty faction compared to the anti-treaty? Is it still contentious?

[@peterfitzgerald7734]

KingdomEnfilade................The European union runs Ireland now.....................we get money from Europe and are good little Irish boys and girls. We descended into a backward hole after the British left............true................ but us Irish like to have someone to blame....................it makes it easier to come with out jealous, begrudging nature.

[@shredder9536]

The pro treaty faction were traitors, there are still fights in pubs arguing over the civil war

[@alanmarchini3760]

Peter Fitzgerald my goodness what a refreshing educated comment to read , instead of this romantic up the RA bullshit a true Irishman taking a hard look at our country and saying it as it is...... well done sir ,

[@peterfitzgerald7734]

Thanks Alan, unfortunately facts can be uncomfortable, we spend so much time arguing about pro and anti treaty rubbish that we have ignored the E.U. invasion through the back door. So busy hating the Brits, that the E.U. rule us now, we will find them far worse than any Englishman. The truth is that we would still be living in caves, grunting at each other if not for the Brits.

[@alanmarchini3760]

Peter Fitzgerald indeed sir, interesting video on you tube re Irexit movement at a meeting re the EU, if you have not seen it can I recommend it worth a view at the very least.

[@patricklamshear6662]

De,valera Irelands true traitor.

[@joekelly9755]

patrick lamshear He wanted to maintain the territorial integrity of Ireland. I really questions if Fine Gael support partition giving Varadkar recent comments on a border poll.

[@Brecconable]

What did Varadkar say about a border poll?

[@joekelly9755]

Brecconable He said that for reunification to occur “properly” the vote in the north would need to be well over 50%, not just 50%+1.

[@BoldOne8760]

@@joekelly9755 well to be fair to Leo if you have 51% of the north supporting the Republic that's 49% who oppose it. Around a million people who resent our nation, that's dangerous and about 10% of that 49% would happily blow themselves up outside the Dail for their "Nation"

[@pauliewalnuts100]

@@BoldOne8760 Then we'll deal with them. I will not surrender the North to a foreign crown.

[@finneire2081]

And our country hasn’t been ran right since

[@mick9708]

Whereas Britain is ran so well haha

[@finneire2081]

Well they don’t seem to make their teachers and nurses and generations leave their island in search of work time and time again

[@james09995]

Well said....he'd be spinning in his grave if he knew the half of it.

[@aussiegod4269]

Shouldn’t of joined the EU

[@heliotropezzz333]

* hasn't been run

[@LordHannigan]

Boru, Conn, and Collins in my opinion.

[@Minime163]

Charles Stewart Parnell

[@islandbreeze1352]

I hate colonialism

[@AlexKomnenos]

Brits Out!

[@Ubu987]

EU out!

[@dianestewart7178]

2020 still no done it 😂😂🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@daithideburca98]

I glorious sight seeing that butcher's apron being lowered

[@stephencarlin3536]

It was a fight no one was winning the enemy knew all the tricks just as the Irish did Irish boys Scottish English all picking ah side and sticking to there guns

[@itdontmeannothingnotathing3385]

Do I get to wear that hat wouldn't put it past Michael to say that.

[@anleathbrogandubh]

we know about the 7 minutes/hundred years remark. does anyone know if he really joked about the guys hat?

[@Minime163]

I don't know but I hope so🙂

[@barbarahallinan1151]

700 years and we won...............brexit stage left.

[@shredder9536]

It's now, 840 years and we are still waiting for Irish freedom

[@barbarahallinan1151]

ab bar buadh....26 counties in the republic are free and the other 6 occupied will be within 20 years. this will happen as nationalist population on the increase and planters on the decline.

[@shredder9536]

@@barbarahallinan1151 the 26 counties are in a larger political union of over 20 countries, far bigger than the political union we were fighting to get out of 100 years ago. We are a long way from independence

[@barbarahallinan1151]

an barr buadh..........i would prefer to be in the eu than be under british rule.

[@shredder9536]

@@barbarahallinan1151 I prefer independence.

[@bacfrere]

i was born and raised in england. i think michael collins was a hero and roger casement was a martyr. who cares as long as we have tv?

[@themanfromdelmonte3589]

Dev had him killed because he knew collins was destent to become president

[@ThabaniTBowseHadebe0909]

That's what caused all the bother huh

[@russelmurphy4868]

As I write it appears that the chances of a similar scene being played out in the bailey of Edinburgh Castle are looking pretty good.

[@davidyoung1625]

Fingers crossed it won't belong til Scotland gets independence

[@BradBrassman]

@@davidyoung1625 Aye, and I hope you get it.

[@jakebarnes3054]

@@davidyoung1625 independence for what tho, communism?

[@Ubu987]

Yeah, Scotland. You will lower the Union Jack, but raise the EU flag in its place to mark an even worse servility. Worse plundering of your seas and energy reserves, worse impoverishment of your people, and a replacement of your population by those who truly hate you.

[@jakebarnes3054]

@@Ubu987 that's dumb

[@MarkHarrison733]

In reality Collins never said this.

[@timmaloney9976]

God I hope he doesn't have to wear that hat.

[@elizabethflynn8455]

😆😆😆

[@Gorgatron8889]

And stay out.

[@johncummins1927]

This film is not great that handover never happened like that Ned broy did not die harry Boland died in a hotel he fired at free state troops there was a warrant for his arrest the film is Neil Jordans spin off not fact or fiction just made up

[@DarthKieduss]

They should've burned the flag to the ground.

[@KAIDE2009]

This wasn't independence? This was Ireland leaving the UK and joining the Commonwealth and British Empire (Similar to Canada, Australia etc).

[@GOLD1702]

KAIDE2009 No. However, it was a stepping stone towards independence. Collins promised a 32 county Republic 4 years after this, but he was murdered before it happened

[@Briselance]

Micheal Carney The alliegance was purely formal. Ireland was then de facto independant.

[@jackfahy2283]

We were never part of the UK, it was a fucking occupation and still is

[@donnachamcgowan]

KAIDE2009 Yes but we left in 1948.complete independence now we want our six county's back in the north eastern corner of OUR ISLAND. UNDERSTAND.

[@shredder9536]

@@Briselance no it wasn't, all of Ireland was under the empire

[@mustafakhettymusic]

Compare the great leaders of the 20th century and none equaled him in intellect, humanity, achievement, military, financial & political savvy & at just 31 years of age! He is Ireland's destiny child!

[@agentlemanofhermajesty7051]

The day Irishmen raised within the Union were separated from the Mother country.

[@beaglaoich4418]

The day the majority of people on this island got their opinions heard

[@odonnchada9994]

There Is Only One Queen The Queen Of Ireland And Heaven Our Blessed Lady Mary. God Bless Éireann. ☘🇮🇪

[@williamhogan4031]

irish republicans smashed the british union in the 20s. this led to the decline and eventual collapse of the british empire over the next 50 years, as other countries looked to little ireland, and thought, well if little ireland can ....

[@walboyfredo6025]

The South American countries and the likes of Hathi lead the way first.

[@Sotsufferer]

Nope not even close, you can blame the world wars for that

[@juniorsoprano7339]

0:43 im englishmen and its hard to watch....

[@ajohara8664]

kevin garner why?

[@juniorsoprano7339]

@@ajohara8664 i hate micks

[@ajohara8664]

kevin garner, salty englishman alert

[@skippership7]

@@memetopia5130 you can’t blame the English for misunderstanding Irish history (even though it’s their history as well) no more than you can blame some Irish who have forgotten their Irish history. As an Englishman, I understand both sides and frankly it staggers me that so many Irish people (especially the younger ones) are completely ignorant of their history particularly when it involves the the great men and women who fought for her freedom over the centuries. So...people who live in glass houses should not throw stones....unless you want to test me on that of course?

[@skippership7]

@@memetopia5130 OK so let’s put that to the test then she’ll we and if you can answer the following correctly then fair play to you my friend I bow to your detailed knowledge of Irish history which is more than know most Irish people I know. Question...Leaving Casement aside for a obvious reasons, under what order were the 15 executed in 1916 for their part in the Easter Rising, what was the date that order came into statute books and which one of the 15 was executed for the wrong crime. Should be easy enough?

[@CaseyKirby94]

Michael Collins was a hero. While de Valera was a traitor.

[@MarkHarrison733]

Collins was the traitor.

[@dars5229]

A yank who thought he'd try his hand at statecraft because even back in the day America wasn't right-wing enough for him.

[@JamesRichards-mj9kw]

@@dars5229 Collins was a right-wing fascist.

[@johntracy1369]

The movie is so bad historically incorrect at times ....pity could have been great

[@mulletheadbanger]

It beats watching British Empire propaganda bullshit .

[@paulforsythe6742]

Yeah

[@marleyhalpen1563]

since collins swore allegiance to britain he was in fact a traitor and a coward

[@notamused3715]

+marley halpen- Churchill and Lloyd-George threatened Ireland with "great and terrible war" if Michael Collins didn't sign and that would have meant the mass slaughter of Irish men, women and children- a genocide that would have been even more devastating than Cromwell and An Gorta Mor combined! IMO,if he had refused ,he would have been partly responsible for the ensuing bloodbath! THEN he would have been a traitor and coward! He signed to save Irish lives and in no way had given up on gaining the Republic and without him and his sacrifice, we may still not have it to this day! Can you imagine THAT?

[@pmcl3616]

marley halpen wrong

[@pmcl3616]

marley halpen many Irishmen were content like o Connell, redmond, Parnell, tone even we're content with king of Britain being king of Ireland . Also Marley the thousands of Irish in WW1, Boer War & police. Many ira men including my own great grandfather had relations with British army or police maybe their brothers

[@maureenmccarthy2796]

The true traitor was dev Michael Collins Greatest Irish man ever a true hero of ireland

[@shredder9536]

@@notamused3715 The threat of war was a bluff and Collins buckled. Churchill laughed in his memoirs how they ran rings around him and Griffith and they couldn't believe they signed. Collins unleashed a terrible war on Ireland and the British armed him to the teeth to do it. He was a traitor who admitted he signed his own death warrant and he was justly killed for his actions

[@TheTruthness2011]

Pure propaganda.

[@pauliewalnuts100]

Which part?

[@TheTruthness2011]

@@pauliewalnuts100 All of it.

[@pauliewalnuts100]

@@TheTruthness2011 Details of what's propaganda.

[@TheTruthness2011]

@@pauliewalnuts100 Why are you repeating-yourself? 🤤 😂.

[@ajohara8664]

TheTruthness2011, he’s repeating himself because you never gave a valid answer