Michael Heiser - Revelation (John's use of the Old Testament) Chapters 7-12

[@roybatty2544]

Dr Michael Heiser is the best Bible Scholar teacher I've ever seen and heard of. For he sure taught us Not to believe just anyone.

[@jondoe8014]

A 7 hour video talking about Revelation. Yes Sir, sign me up!

[@sammcrae8892]

Yeah, one of the few people out there that makes me (a little) disappointed when I see that it's NOT several hours long! Not that Mike's shorter stuff isn't great, but I always wish that there was more of it! Yeah, how many professors can get you excited about a several hour long lecture on ESCHATOLOGY?! The list of those are very short!🙏✝️🙏

[@michaelbrickley2443]

@@sammcrae8892his 9+ hour lecture on Post Modernity was great. I put things like this on before bed. His voice is so calm and even. The message is penetrating as you sleep

[@tuxcollins2718]

@@sammcrae8892 it’s Dr. Heiser and he was absolutely amazing! I wish he were still here on Earth, but I can only imagine when he was able to meet Jesus Christ our Lord!

[@sammcrae8892]

Gotta love Heiser's teachings. Wish I'd found his stuff years ago. Unfortunately, I only came across it just a few weeks ago. I'm not sure if everything he said is true, but it sure makes the scriptures make a lot more sense than otherwise. God bless you Mike Heiser! RIP! 🙏✝️🙏

[@GODISTRUTH77]

I understand what you're saying. I believe it is. Now, idk how long you've listened to Dr. Heiser, what you've listened to by him, what your experiences have been, what other knowledge you have. I say that with no intention of being rude or disrespectful. I say it because from all of the things I've listed along with guidance from the Holy Spirit. I believe he is right. The things he may not be fully accurate on. I would say they are minor. One thing I love about him. He'll tell you when it's his own belief. His teachings come from so many other sources of knowledge, not just scripture. He has Master degrees in things like ancient history, Semitic languages, Hebrew, and so much more. I know for myself when I have gained knowledge in many different areas that are needed in one field. It makes me better equipped to understand it all. So I can honestly say I believe Dr. Michael Heiser is the most accurate of anyone with this area.

[@annhinz6326]

Thanks for posting this series. I keep thinking of Dr Heiser up in heaven, figuratively, soaking up so much more knowledge and clarity. Well done faithful servant! I pray for comfort for his family. Let them know we appreciate all that Dr Heiser is still teaching us. Thanks again for posting, it is such a blessing.

[@PeterEMarx]

While I'm working my way through these Revelation teachings by Michael S. Heiser, I just wanted to thank you once again with enormous gratitude for uploading these. I pray you are well and experiencing only the best (God-given) life. Again, thank you so much.

[@skipmason8747]

I’m I’m just saying

[@annairwin8147]

Dr. Heiser was a fantastic man of God

[@poppet229]

Same , but may be I wasn’t ready but am now

[@Richard_Rz]

Dr. Heisers corpus of work will be cherished until the 2nd coming.

[@TommyStahr]

Which is very soon! 2Thess2:11 is here. Trump is lawless. The church is fallen.

[@eversosleight]

Nice! 7 hrs of Dr H, reminds of his old day long lectures (sometimes multiple days 😅). Seriously, it's great to see his revelation stuff in a nice neat unit! Thanks for all your hard work, it's much appreciated 🤓👍

[@richardkasper5822]

We practice abstinence to purify ourselves for our Lord. Make straight paths for Him.

[@crutherfordmusic]

The Word purifies us. We can marry and have sex. Avoiding fornication both in the flesh, but especially spiritually is important.

[@richardkasper5822]

@@crutherfordmusic That's true but we have to ask ourselves is it good for us to give into the animal nature and have sex for our pleasure or to make love and have children to God's glory. Our culture is sooo perverse in word,deed and action treating abortion as birth control and our bodies as a means for personal enjoyment. Our bodies ate actually temples of God and should be treated as such. Christian bodies should be sacred and holy.

[@crutherfordmusic]

@@richardkasper5822 1 Corinthians 7, and: 1 Timothy 4 (KJV) 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

[@gg-sn5uz]

Thank you for posting these!

[@jesuslovesyou1881]

michael heiser is uplifted to heaven and his work is uplifted here on earth

[@joshuajamesdavis1967]

Did he pass?

[@EulersIdentityCrisis]

About three weeks ago.

[@bruin4Christ]

Only 37k views? How marvelous are God’s words!

[@TommyStahr]

I think it's going to be during Sukkot. In Zechariah 14 it says the people who are left here must go up to feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) and whoever doesn't come is cursed. I believe Zech 14:4 is a 2nd Exodus to our New Jerusalem. Notice Zech 14:4? 144,000? How wide are the walls of New Jerusalem? 144 cubits. Rev 21:17. Zech 13 describes the raptured with God's eyes opening on the tents of Judah. That's the Spirit filled believers of Yeshua. It says we'll plunder them in Zech 14:14. The enemies will burn and we'll be GONE!

[@timm9842]

i wish God would have healed him 😢

[@sammcrae8892]

As do we all. The way I look at it; if God ain't ready for you, there's nothing short of willful suicide gonna get you, and if He wants you, there's nothing else for it, off you go one way or another. I just wish Mike was still here, but at least he left us a lot of stuff to work with! 🙏✝️🙏

[@alanemaltese]

I could see in his old videos a goiter so I believe he had hypothyroidism for o ver 20 years which affected his pancreas. Many people have this ans many have pancreatic cysts from this low thyroid especially in Michigan/Wisconsin the goiter belt. I started taking mega doses of iodine to counteract this deficiency. I wish I could have helped him. Conservative and commercial medicine is about as effective as the commercial conservative church.

[@TommyStahr]

Rev 8, The 7 angels pour out fire from the altar mixed with our prayers. Our prayers bring judgment.

[@LanceLovett]

Thank you for this upload.

[@royalty77724]

This is excellent study. Regarding Christians and Jews: also at the end of Revelation, there are the 12 Gates with the names of the tribes on them. Christians and Jews together will be going through these gates. Together as one.

[@wordwordful]

One New Man but with different names.

[@paulpaul-n]

so awesome dr mike

[@thekarifrenchstudio5948]

God has provided ....such a gift to us. The clearing of the fog of time that hid His Word from us. By teaching us to His Words through the eyes and hearts of the time it was written. Thank you for being His faithful servant teacher.🪔

[@BlastHardcheese194]

When in John’s timeline did he have the chance to access the scrolls and become a Torah ninja?

[@BlastHardcheese194]

@@justjeremiah4255 holy osmosis!

[@noahwatson4884]

5:24:22 - Deeply appreciate this but, no "inversion" of systems is necessary in chapter 11 if the temple being measured is built in the future relative to John's earthly life. That everything in the visions had to exist at the time of St. John's writing is an unfounded assumption. This may seem like special pleading, but of course, as we are dealing with prophecy here, it certainly is not ridiculous to think that John is seeing....wait for it.... the future. If it still seems like special pleading to posit that another, future temple may exist on earth, then consider that many Jews at the time of the exile likely imagined that the Temple would never be built again. Likewise, the Jews of the Lord Jesus' time did not anticipate that the Temple could ever be destroyed - and that they would subsequently be emptied into the Exile/Diaspora - again. One way or the other, there is no need to take Revelation 11's temple as either spiritual or allegorical, regardless of the Book's dating. It's a false dichotomy. Again, much love and appreciation for the late Dr. Heiser.

[@Huntngame]

The believers did flee to Pella which would be a miraculous deliverance from the Roman destruction but it was before 70 AD. They were following Jesus instructions to flee when you see the abomination of desolation which would be Jerusalem surrounded by armies. That would be one solution to the woman fleeing into the wilderness. Love this series ❤

[@lanalarson9300]

Great job! Between this and reading "Unseen Realm" I'm really understanding some things. Thanks.

[@elgindor]

Please explain to me again the no great tribulation tied to seven years?

[@ProducerJames91]

My thinking is that the temple may get rebuilt, but it is not required for us to gain relationship with God, but it might be a sign of the end?

[@madico1great985]

The temple will be desecrated by the antichrist.

[@bobbycontreras8053]

If angel's don't have wing's then why does Isaiah 6 say two wings covering their feet two wings covering their eyes/ face and two wings to fly? How do you explain that away?

[@EulersIdentityCrisis]

Because technically “angel” means messenger. The seraphim of Isaiah 6 aren’t messengers and therefore not angels. Really it comes down to the precision of language.

[@EllenSmyth]

Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah! I know why the 144,000 are listed in their encampment arrangement from Numbers! The 144,000 together with the firstborn Gentiles in the remainder of Rev 7 will shine like the stars in the sky (your Daniel references, 12, I think) as the Bride of Christ presenting herself unveiled for the world to see, forming the sign of the Son of Man that comes across the entire sky from the east to the west and from the north to the south, in the form of the most enormous cross we will ever see!!! I am so excited! Where is this protected folder? What can I do to get access? Goodness, I love this from the late Dr. Heiser. I wish he'd put all of this into a book.

[@jamesandannschmitt6835]

What if it is a matter of dispensation? Times of the gentiles and the age of Grace transitioning back to the gospel of the Kingdom and the return of King Jesus.

[@israelhammans7329]

Concerning the 12,000 of each tribe, Have we looked at the meaning of the names of the tribes listed? Other places in scripture have this pattern.

[@davidhiggins3012]

I haven’t. I can’t find anywhere where this order or this specific names are listed.

[@israelhammans7329]

@@davidhiggins3012 I meant look up the Hebrew meaning for the names listed, see if they constructed a cohesive thought

[@eblanco2176]

Look up what each mother said the name means and write it out to n the order given in the chapter. Be blessed

[@pauladominique]

Didn't Eusebius say that Christians fled to Pella in 70 AD? Are there other witnesses?

[@elitedrumlessons6174]

Dr. Heiser didn’t discuss what the “seven thunders”, what are they?

[@Swimant]

Ty

[@jharris0341]

3:23:44

[@EllenSmyth]

I'm looking forward to Moses and Elijah breathing fire, personally. Of course this is beyond God's abilities, and I don't believe Heiser thought that, either. Is it crazytown? Yes. Absolutely. And yet, God will give us a hundred things we have never seen before during this time. Would it be harder for two dudes to breathe fire than for the heavens to roll up like a scroll? I think not. I do love Heiser, I definitely do, but I also wish he had more faith - faith that God wrote Daniel, and not just Daniel; faith that God gave these numbers to Daniel that didn't necessitate Daniel's understanding of any calendars; and faith that God can move mountains and make people breathe fire.

[@eswn1816]

First, Thanks Mike... I'm watching all of your exposition of Revelation & I appreciate your scholarly approach. However, in this episode, multiple times I heard you quote "Who keep the commandments of God have the testimony of Jesus Christ." 12:17 & 14:12 without any elaboration. Testimony of Jesus, OK... But what are these commandments? Love God & your fellow? The ten commandments? Keeping the feasts? All of the instructions (that apply without a temple)? BTW, 'torah' is not law... it's 'instructions.' Could this perhaps be the law being written upon our hearts (heart circumcision)? Lots to think about including the problem with those who eschew sabbath and proclaim "Sunday" as the day of the Lord. It's not. It's a Roman Catholic decree.

[@crutherfordmusic]

John 13 (KJV) 34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

[@eswn1816]

@@crutherfordmusic Actually, the 'new' command is given in Leviticus 19: 18! I submit that the 'new' command relates to the fact that he was speaking to His disciples about His love for them. The Greek word means 'renewed' or 'refreshed. '

[@crutherfordmusic]

@@eswn1816 1Jn 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

[@khamodaz]

ezekiel 37 happened at antioch in the book of acts

[@noahwatson4884]

The numbers make sense if they are reported from an actual visionary experience. It is terrifically sad that the entire discussion presupposes that Daniel's writing down of the visions is actually not writing down the vision, but the ingeniously calculated literary device of a person that must have been alive at the time of the events described... which is, of course, strict question begging for a late date of Daniel. I feel like Dr. Heiser could have done better than this.

[@pauladominique]

Apparently Epiphanius also testified to their return from Pella to Jerusalem. Have these witnesses been debunked?

[@junegilone839]

No wonder Dan's tribe tured, look what his father blessed or cured him with.

[@junegilone839]

DOES THE OLD TESTAMENT MENTION THE FOUR HORSEMAN OF THE APPOCOLIPSE.

[@willielee5253]

@Time, Daniel's calendar, min. 5:28:33

[@cathylatorre3349]

Whoever thought it would be so hard and anything till I listen to you somewhere along the line they learned enough I really did I listened very carefully lots of times too I would think to myself that don’t sound right I also have the understanding that there was lotta things written wrong what they were I cannot tell you what I have been correct 50 years later

[@AmericanTorah]

Any eschatology that relies on taking numbers of days literally is almost certainly wrong.

[@lloydtownsend5306]

This cuts off before the end.

[@EulersIdentityCrisis]

Just the literal last second.

[@purplelover9633]

If the 144k are really all men then all the dreams and daydreams that I thought were visions since childhood till now at 27 mean nothing.

[@purplelover9633]

I go back and forth with the idea bc even I’m not sure. I’ve always heard they were men, that’s what I’ve read but I always see myself fighting for God since I was a kid. As I get older it seems more realistic but then I doubt bc I’m a woman

[@TommyStahr]

I believe there's silence in heaven for 1/2 hour (8:1) because God's left heaven to receive His Bride. The entire scroll represents all human history. It gives broad details of the fall with the Horses=1. White Adam/Christ 2. Red= The Satan, fall of man 3. Black horse is the cursed ground, not touching the faithful (oil & wine) 4. Hell & Death. 5th seal is the prayers of the faithful. 6th seal is judgment of the earth. 7th seal our redemption. The next chapters give details of the end times we're in now. Trumpets describe effects of climate change in 1-3. 4th trumpet a third of the "sun, moon & stars" go out. 6 million Jews killed were 1/3 of all Jews in the world. 5th seal is the locusts eating the brains of the religious people in the world, turning them into scorpions (demons are destroying the world through greed, hate, pollution like smoke of a furnace). Anti-gay & anti-choice are ANTI-CHRIST lies the religious Reich believe. Matthew 7 is trampled on by their control & hate. ( 1946themovie proves the Bible is not anti-gay). 6th seal is happening soon or is currently sounding. Rev 18 is the 6th seal. America burns after we, The 144,000 gay Jews are taken for a wedding day (Rev19). I represent the two witnesses, because I'm a born-again Jew. The witnesses are the Lampstands (Zech4, Rev11), the SPIRIT LED BELIEVERS, the faithful of God, who live in truth & love, not bigotry & Idolatry of the Beast. Revelation 13:11-16 is America. The Image of the Beast is right in front of you. All the world is lost to bigotry and idolatry. 2Thess2:11 is here...Trump is lawless.

[@TommyStahr]

"The wings of an eagle" in Rev 12:14 is a reference to Daniel 7:4. Babylon has WINGS OF AN EAGLE! America is the last Beast of Rev 13:11-16 & Rev 18! Time, Times and Half a Time is false Abrahamic religions who came from Israel. The Rev 12:6 woman is fed by God! That's the two witnesses, 1260 day woman in Rev 11:2! They both come from the same woman!

[@djmarie2058]

I am having challenges accepting the OT theory of “Two Yahweh’s” since idolatry began prior to establishment of Abrahamic Covenant. Yahweh makes quite clear…Prince of Princes, Mighty Angel, The Word… etc. Jesus is Mightiest of Angels. He is second to God the father…not Yahweh, Yahweh… for Yahweh insists what separates himself from Idolaters is that he is a Monotheistic God in the Heavens not a “Yahweh Yahweh” it sounds very juvenile from such scribes as these. This interpretation that the masses insist on …3=1 Trinity can and is easily disproved by the language right there in Daniel. Also the “man in linen and gold sash” who is the same in Revelation and Daniel is Jesus of course… Gosh,I think I just realized the Trinity may be a man-made construct from multiple idol worship days? Oh my!

[@EulersIdentityCrisis]

I really wouldn't bring up Daniel to disprove the Two Powers theology if I were you. The Son of Man in Daniel 7 is the cloud rider who is being brought to Yahweh (the Ancient of Days). The "one who rides the clouds" is stock imagery of the supreme deity; not some exalted angel. The only way to account for how the supreme deity can be brought to the other supreme deity is to posit multiple persons of the same essence. Gosh, I think I just realized where Trinitarian thinking comes from. Oh my!

[@djmarie2058]

@@EulersIdentityCrisis I wasn’t being sarcastic as I am no Theologian, it seems to me that the authors etc. are really reaching to identify a triune. When, imho Jesus always refers to Yahweh as above himself as a ‘ Father’ never an equal. At sermon on the mount he said pray to my “ father”… which might mean the person who created me. He could have said pray to me. I am a newbie learner and meant no disrespect. Yahweh’s anger at the Israelites always falling in to multiple idol worship seems to knock out a Triune. He was pretty vocal, and specific about it, in part because the Gentiles were multiple God worshipping. That’s what I read and hear. That Jesus is the flesh and word entity, and possibly was walking and talking in Old Testament. Holy Spirit Gods strength action and helper entity, and every Angel beneath given a special Authority/ Duty in the heavens. I cannot find triune. For me, I found that interesting… I have no idea, and did not want to argue theology since I am here to learn. Perhaps a better approach would have been if you actually helped me to understand it. I meant not to disprove either…the concept kind of jumped out to me from your readings is all. Especially the “Yahweh, Yahweh” perspective. I never heard it before as I a new to this, and learning. Dialogue is best way to learn.

[@inmyopinion_3672]

I'm with you on this. There is only One God. Not three. The Trinity is just too complicated. Why can't our God simply be capable of manifesting in any form He wants, including flesh? Much simpler this way. He states Himself that He is the visible image of the invisible God. He is the Light of the world. In Hebrew Light even means able to be seen. "Light Be" and God sent His visible image into creation to be creation itself, and hence the only word that we mere humans can understand, the son. God came and died for us and through that great sacrifice and name, Yehoshua (meaning Yahweh's Salvation) and grants us to be sons and daughters.

[@EulersIdentityCrisis]

​@@inmyopinion_3672 Your quotation of Colossians doesn't make sense unless you hold that the Father and Son are distinct persons. Otherwise you end up with a tautology--"God is the image of the invisible God." However, "he [the Son] is the image of the invisible God [the father]" makes sense.

[@EulersIdentityCrisis]

@@djmarie2058 The issue with the gentiles isn't that they had multiple gods (the Bible is clear, there are other gods), it's that they were worshipping created divine beings as the true God. There is no issue with Trinitarianism and monotheism. Trinitarianism posits three persons of the same essence; meaning ESSENTIALLY you have one God. You didn't touch what I said about Daniel 7. There's a reason that if you were Jewish you had to have a Rabbi read you that passage; can't have you getting ideas that God is one but multipersonal.

[@alphainka]

144k Jewish remnant which are grafted back in and are part of the first fruit of those who will come to realise who their savior is. Rev 14.4. They become part of the new man created in Christ. Trying to understand the subtelty between israel and the church in light of the Oliver Tree

[@noahwatson4884]

Don't miss the forest for the trees. Moses and Aaron were two literal people, but they led the whole People of God - a Kingdom of Priests. Elijah was a literal person who called down fire, but there were more prophets than him, and they were used to restore the People of God. Joshua and Zerababbel (the obvious immediate referents to the two leaders in Zechariah+Haggai) were two literal people that were being used to prophesy concerning the whole People of God. The 12 Apostles will sit on 12 actual thrones to judge.... the People of God. See it: you don't need to obviate two figureheads of a last days prophetic moment in order to include the People of God upon whom the Spirit of God has been poured out (i.e. "upon all flesh"). Dr. Heiser says that the city is obviously Jerusalem.... pretty literal, but the two witnesses - if they are the whole People of God - will then be killed in Jerusalem. Be cautious: this same kind of symbolic interpretation is used today by Rabbincal Judaism to refute Jesus as Messiah from Isaiah 53. In other words, they too say, "No that's not a Servant," it's symbolic for all of Israel; just look earlier in Isaiah." Yes, prophecy can be cryptic, but the Secret of the Lord is with those who fear Him. Furthermore, the primary reason that the rebel heavenly powers will not 'see it coming' is because the Lord is blinding them, which is His pattern for all those under His judgment.

[@gbwhitewarrior]

The one said to Daniel could not be Jesus Jesus for Jesus would not heed help since when were the pre risen Christ ever need help against the forces of evil. In that scripture and Daniel Virginia the angel admitted needing help from Michael please that could never be Jesus in this God form. Either there is a mistake in the scriptures About him needing help or or that this angel has a higher rank than Michael or Gabriel maybe Maybe under the rank of Lucifer. We do not know the pecking order of angels we only know of archangels there may be an angel higher than them there's no way that was Jesus who needs help please please that's ridiculous

[@readtruth6670]

With all due respect to Dr. Heiser, I kind of have to disagree with the concept of spiritual beings having to be disembodied. The zoa or chaim are equated with the cherubim. The emphasis is ‘living’. Just as man was called a nephesh chai-a living soul-in Gen 2:7, we can assume, at least some of the spiritual beings are in a physical form (or maybe hyper-physical existing on a (slightly) higher plane of existence than mankind). To say a spiritual being or body does not have a physical presence is like saying the resurrected Christ did not have a physical body. This is a leftover gnostic-like concept that keeps finding its way into our theology because we dry to draw lines where they don’t belong. It’s the human desire for categorization when the distinction isn’t necessary nor accurate.

[@watchnlearn2731]

You are probably the smartest guy I know and you missed this entirely. They are not Jews no where in the text does it say or even indicate Jews. They are of the regathered tribes that where scattered. They are the vanguard of God who go before the sheep as the he goats in the last days They are the hand full of grain on the mountain who where perched ahead of time before the fire of tribulation comes in order to lead the people

[@winniecash1654]

Um, weren't the scattered tribes Israel? Descendants of Abraham? Of the 12 tribes? That's not Jewish enough for you?

[@dondgc2298]

@@winniecash1654seems pretty obvious doesn’t it 😂

[@frankemann81]

The virgins in revelations is a reference to no idolatry. They haven't defiled themselves with paganism. Very simple.

[@HicksYvette-l8e]

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[@stephenhall11]

I have no idea of the date if this teaching,but with all of the crisises that are currently happening in 2021,it strikes me as being like Star Trek,somewhere way out in space beyond the solar system. Sorry,but I am an earthling, so I am indifferent to all of this. That is the trouble with Academics. They live in Platonopolis and have no idea about what is happening on main street.

[@EulersIdentityCrisis]

You really need to listen to the introduction of the series. Heiser is intentionally not doing a systematic interpretation. It's not homiletical. He's specifically looking at it from the perspective of John's use of the OT. Now I would argue understanding that is vital to interpreting Revelation or giving some homiletical application.

[@qazyman]

You can lead someone to water.

[@veronicastuart714]

I hear what your saying I do understand..Yet Jesus said “Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven”. The physical earth and the spiritual realm both are connected.

[@cindystokes8347]

It’s kind of crazy to have too much focus on Jewish ethnicity, because the 12 tribes by blood are so scattered and might be surprised to find, in the end, that they are Levite or Benjaminite, etc. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews, which probably are the majority of Jews in the US (and maybe Israel) descend from Jewish converts from Asia and have no blood descent from Abraham. Paul made it pretty darn clear that sons of Abraham have to do with faith, not blood descent. Can’t the numbers be about completion? 12, being the name of complete set of followers and square that number of completion and multiply it time a cube (the holy of holies). This is the view of Ian Paul in the Tyndale commentary on Revelation. And note he heard the counting then saw the multitude. It could be the same group. Plus you’d have to argue that no one from the tribe of Dan was ever saved. (And what about those with faith in Jesus looking ahead through history?)

[@PinoyMusicRevolution]

I think it's possible to know the tribes by blood. There are collections of DNA going on for quite some time now.

[@tsukujinaan4381]

Heiser’s knowledge is hindered by his belief in the trinity.

[@wordwordful]

Father, Son and Holy Ghost

[@nitaharding5130]

It’s easier to understand if you listen to AoC networks which explains the 2 witnesses as the olive tree and the 2 lamp stands grafted together as Gods church . Michael is saying the same thing but AoC Network videos called Two Witnesses Movie have some great videos for people that need a visual! UTube