Michael Jordan Was TOTALLY Right About Steph Curry, But No One Listened

[@khtchen]

mike maybe the goat, but doesn't mean that he is always right. magic has admitted steph is the greatest pg all time.

[@teamgill1]

You know everyone is entitled to their opinion…just like you have one

[@redroman4214]

​@@teamgill1 certain opinions hold more weight though. Like Magic's for example. If he really did say that Curry is the best and Curry himself says they're the best pg, then that's that.

[@sireoz3681]

I think Magic forgot his own statistics, in-game impact and total championship counts. Or he is just teaching other people to be humble... And about Mike, of course he can be wrong. I think he also knows that, thats why he didnt just say "Magic is the best", he explained why.

[@antoniokim8033]

I want to see Stephen Curry put up assist numbers

[@khtchen]

@@antoniokim8033 John Stockton: Great! Put up mine, too.

[@miguel1795]

magic passes but steph shoots, if they switch eras steph would dominate but magic would just be another passer. steph >> ervin johnson 👇

[@hoopersln]

Fair argument here. 👍🏽

[@D868-g1s]

Magic is more than just a passer. Look at 1:44 His career has lots of those.

[@Cmoales2232]

He was also taller and played center at times.. so what is the true definition of a PG..

[@applepie101]

6'9 point guard that could play all 5 positions in any era 52% FG average. "just another passer" FOH.

[@miguel1795]

@@applepie101 in todays game he'd be jokic could play 5 positions with less averages. but id take the guy who could shoot from anywhere 😎 👇

[@michaelwu6824]

Love Curry, but as a traditional PG - Then Yes Magic is the best. But this is no longer the NBA of yesterday. How many times did you see a defender, actually multiple defenders run to defend a ball-less Magic, while leaving a Kareem WITH the ball to just cruise to the basket unimpeded? This has happened multiple times with Curry - his gravity is just that strong that defenders will leave wide open lanes for a KD, a Green or any other multitude of players to the hoop as they vacate to double Curry who didn't have the ball at that time.

[@renzosteven2882]

well said.

[@facemaster368]

Steph is the best it ain’t even close. Sorry oldies.

[@jlui21]

-- Magic Johnson, 3x MVP, 3x FMVP, 5x NBA Champ in 13 seasons. Magic is pass first. Steph is an incredible shooter who demands double teams. It all depends upon team construction on which PG the team needs.

[@ΝασιαΣωτηριαδου]

Keep dreaming. We have watched what you have watched. But you haven't watched what we have watched.

[@Fmjworld]

He is a sg

[@Fmjworld]

Remember we live in a generation where they move shooting guards to point guards and not going to say that the best pg smh

[@reljalazarev2198]

@@jlui21 nah, today without a shot ur straight up liability. Cant playmake cause everyone gonna sag off of you so idk in what 2k stats dream world you living... Curry retired so many old gen players cause he made the game evolve just based on how great he is... Also kareem ???

[@tzishere3307]

okay okay, i think magic is the greatest traditional pg, but steph curry is the greatest player to play Pg

[@kennethestes1828]

Tell me when Steph played Center as a Rookie, in the Finals, against Dr. J, and won the game as the MVP.

[@jadenlevibabagay9525]

​@@kennethestes1828your basically saying "hes not magic johnson so hes not better than magic Johnson" same goes to magic johnson then he has done the stuffs steph is he the greatest shooter ever? no right? cuz hes not steph what did you prove with your statement none right? just accept "tzishere3307" comment thats the truth man

[@reljalazarev2198]

@@kennethestes1828 so jokic is best pg?? tell me when magic carrys a team and sweeps lebron like he did averaging 30 point triple double

[@Eliil3]

If steph got an assist for every time someone got an ez bucket from his gravity he'd average 12 a game.

[@ThatBoyDrypto]

THIS!!! I feel like people speak on his gravity but don’t really acknowledge what it does.

[@ysn_finessekid591]

@@ThatBoyDryptojust like when kd won the MVPs 😏

[@valdagadsden2956]

Love them both. Steph is a different kind of point guard and a goat in his own right. And Magic is too.

[@patben8739]

Since MJ is considering the number of championships in the goat debate, MJ is not the goat because Bill Russell has 11 and MJ has only 6.

[@Dnz-zg5km]

Yeah... just... it's not that easy: Robert Horry has 7 rings. Better than MJ? Naaaah.... Not even in top100 alltime fits him better (still he was a very decent and clutch roleplayer)

[@Eniscen]

@@Dnz-zg5km So the rings don't matter since we value individual skills better. Based on this alone we already saw MJ lost to Kobe Bryant so he's out of the question. And Steph is a problem for EVERYBODY. I just hate seeing people comparing modern players to people from the 90's like the skill level from back then was ass compared to now. The level of competitiveness right now is hell difficulty. When you have beasts like Lebron, Steph and Durant. And upcoming greats like AE, etc. the title is bound to change sooner or later.

[@titolopes8679]

MJ never said he is the GOAT, the fans and midia who said those things, Jordan just compare point guard position and real meaning of being P.G. Stephen no real traditional P.G like used to be other player. Magic is a true P.G. by book and rules of game. Magic is for me the best P.G. all time, Stephen the best shooter all time.

[@TestingTestTest-zr5jb]

@@Dnz-zg5kmif rings don’t matter why bring it up in the lebron debate? Weird

[@Dnz-zg5km]

@@TestingTestTest-zr5jb when did I ever say rings don't matter? And when did I bring up LeFlop?? Neither the Video is about LeBalco, nor has the comment about rings anything to do with him. You must be one of those extremly biased Bronsexuals, who think the whole world of basketball spins around your hero. Don't give me the Rachel Zegler, if you are the one with the weird understanding buddy.

[@ochobente]

You are close to death when you guard SC30🤣🤣🤣

[@everydaymaths360]

😭😭😂😂

[@folag]

This is a pointless discussion. In any case, Stephen A. is the least qualified to participate in discussions that require intelligence.

[@JavierHernandez-ct9ez]

Curry for sure

[@arvinaguila2156]

In today's game 3pt shooting is the key

[@KylanGreeves]

Listen you can never compare the two Steph makes magic look like a princess without. A tutu😎

[@abichau5392]

Steph leads doubled team in NBA 😂 he even tripled team 😂

[@naturemiya9560]

Is that even a true stat😂

[@Dermi_Sky]

@@naturemiya9560 no, idk why not it should be handled like assists. because if you have to play 1v2/1v3 then you have 1 or 2 teammates open to score. but we all know that Steph Curry would lead this stat in some other dimension. Like LBJ said Curry is a bigger thread without the ball then with the ball.

[@RageMinecraft1]

Blah blah blah. Not to disrespect anyone but this is super bias. Is ignorant. Stepth facilitates his team, with his shooting. His shooting makes everyone paranoid and people have to double him. And the attention he gathers opens his temmates. STEPTH CURRY REDEFINESS WHAT A POINT GUARD IS. HE REVOLUTIONAZE IT. No point guard can do what he can do. Why people want him to be better at doing what others are doing but not just do better in general in his game?. Hes the best point guard and the best shooter of all time. Not even MJ knows what hes saying if he doesnt think Stepth is #1 PG

[@BenGettinit204]

🖤🖤🖤🖤💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💯💯💯💯😎👍🏾

[@Redzish]

Great way to put it

[@Qiwi_10]

new role : steph role 🔥

[@everydaymaths360]

Curry creates waaay more chance with his gravity than magic could ever dream with his passing unfortunately the nba is so poor in stats that they are unable to capture these.

[@chivasgio3259]

steph was a shooting pg because he is the most efficient in his team for scoring, and no player can mimic it... mj was a goat player but not a great analyst regarding talents.... scoring is most important to win than anything else, because you can have all the stats you want but you can't win when your team sucks to have a points...

[@erwinduarte6978]

I don't care about what you're debating. for me, you cannot compare players then and now. basketball and players evolve. as of the moment, Curry is the Greatest!

[@thefaylawrence]

I do agree with you!

[@MarcisBold]

You spelled devolve wrong

[@JohnnyDavisjr]

Actually believe that you should let the public say that

[@Dermi_Sky]

@@MarcisBold why? the game is way harder now, more creativ and even more complex. if you wanna see rugby, then watch it. its an own sport. but we dont need or want a sport where only 7+ft tall people can play. We all watch this for the scoring and the shooting not for the rugby like "defensive" strats

[@MarcisBold]

@Dermi_Sky there was a guy 5 foot 2 in the league then but sure they all had to be 7 foot tall And you say more complex but 4 to 5 guys fanning out to the 3 pt. line isn't that complex in my opinion

[@RageMinecraft1]

"Traditional" tradition changes like culture. Now a traditional PG is what Stepth does.

[@sireoz3681]

Then it is not tradition yet. And Magic wasnt a traditional PG, he was assist first point guard who played all 5 positions when needed. He scored 42 points 15 rebounds as a center as a rookie in playoff final game and won the championship. Name one traditional or non-traditional PG that can do this. Not Steph for sure..

[@RageMinecraft1]

@@sireoz3681 idc

[@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains]

LOL years ago mj said westbrick over curry. And look at hornets situation over the years with their draft picks. Tragic to say the least😂

[@naturemiya9560]

All imma say is Steph is greatest offensive weapon on any top 5 list I can assemble.

[@jameslee9742]

Here is my takes, if steph get another ring.. He is equal if not better than magic, because Magic had always had 2 or 3 top 75 players with him... But i don't think steph had that, green maybe a HOF 1 day but not likely to be a top 75. Btw i m a 80s gen, MJ is my goat..

[@bquillaguyd2940]

I entirely agree with Jordan, his logic is flawless.

[@ramonpower6004]

Jordan is a hater, his opinion is biased. He said Steph is not a Hall of Famer as on right now, where he has done more than half the guys in the HOF. Jordan buggin

[@Dermi_Sky]

@@ramonpower6004 Jordan is still stuck in his own era and he proofed it many times. No way any of the old players are better then LBJ, Shaq or Curry. its not like we have the most talented player of all time in this era in and outside of the NBA. Compare the skill of the player now and back then. Jordan never had a problem against other countrys in the olympia or WC. Now we have a 2.30m player in france, 2 allround powerhouse teams with Germany and Serbia and a very strong Canada. other time. Sport improves and we will have way better player in 20 years in every league. thats how evolution works lol

[@Abelson-vo5ly]

Looking at Steph's height he is far better and hero for that reason Much love and respect from Zambia

[@ElJay2321]

Comparism is the thief of JOY. Different ERA, improved talent so let's not compare but just enjoy the greatness and dynamic of the game.

[@hyugon6859]

Here's a simple definition of Point Guard: Usually the smallest player on the team who can handle the ball better than any position and run the Offense through passing, shooting, play making, and defensive plays.

[@HenryChen-vt2cb]

It depends on how you define point guard! Now modern day, the point guard position is different than before!

[@marcyvinec7958]

Chef change the game ...3's révolution

[@JMclipsTV]

If you have to put qualifiers on the discussion to exclude someone’s achievements you’re already admitting who you really think the better player is

[@engelbertcarrillo3992]

Who gives af about the definition of a point guard…. Times change and definitions change… Just imagine if the coach told Wemby you are a center so only stand in the middle and get rebounds and dont shoot, id be fucken ridiculous… curry is by far better and easily top 5 player of all time

[@uknoimright]

they need to add additional stats like screen assists and assists off double-/triple-/quadruple-teams to really settle this debate objectively once and for all, cuz yes magic is the original definition of a PG but curry quite literally does the same (if not more) as magic's assists by giving open looks without even having the ball in his hands by default of being a decoy as the greatest shooter ever, they're just not tracked. if they were, his total on-ball + off-ball assists would absolutely dwarf magic's on-ball + off-ball assists while still averaging 20 more points😂😂 curry is literally the only superstar in history who can get his 30 in a game and ALSO SEAMLESSLY ENABLE another (super)star to get his 20 or 30 in the SAME GAME. that is exactly why the curry-KD warriors hold the MOST DOMINANT PLAYOFF RUN IN NBA HISTORY...

[@Frank-mu5yz]

That was Jordan's opinion. My opinion only. Bill Russel- 11 RINGS.. (GOAT) Jordan - 6 Rings..( lamb)

[@josephwilson3531]

Dude Russell played in a Era were there were only like what 10 teams maybe 15 at the most he played those same games over an over again his only real competition at the time was really Wilts Lakers in most cases. Jordan faces more teams an faces different teams going to the playoffs an the Finals so his being able to 3 peat not once but twice an have 72 wins an sometimes more going into the playoffs makes his rings stand out more. No disrespect to Russell because he definitely was amazing an from what I know could have easily been a runner qn a high jumper in the Olympics but just like this dumb debate here different eras different game

[@Frank-mu5yz]

@josephwilson3531 I'm aware of what you mentioned.. Still my opinion Jordan (lamb) (6) Russel G.O.A.T. ( 11) Also LeBron way better then Jordan.. Your entitled to your opinion. this ain't no debate. Growing up I've seen Chamberlin..Jerry West... Russel...ETC... In life games..that was also the era that I grew up in.

[@josephwilson3531]

I actually respect your opinion more then most people because I agree Russell should be in the conversation. My issue with both debates is that 1 Why are we even talking about Step an LeBron being the GOAT when both players are still playing first off🤔🤔😒 What if atfer both of them said that oh iam the Goat an the next game they blew their knee of God Forbid it happen an Thank God it didn't but you get what I am saying that would have been the end of LeBron's career before we got into the what 2023 when he finally broke the record for points. Why wasn't this conversation talked about atfer both got into the Hall Of Fame so their careers can speak louder for them?? Then my other issue is why is most of the world just kissing 4 guys butt's their are more players then Michael Jordan LeBron James Stephen Curry an Earvin Johnson so why is both debates about the Mj an LeBron an Curry an Magic only? So for me personality until they make it's legit I find both of them pointless an stupid

[@Frank-mu5yz]

@josephwilson3531 Best all around athletic that ever lived. Jim Thorpe...

[@Dermi_Sky]

@@josephwilson3531 we debate about these 4, because these 4 are the most outstanding and best in the hardest eras of basketball. Wilt and Russen didnt had very much good opponent. Jordan was dominant in his own way but with superstars around him. Magic defined his posiition and playstyle for a long time. LBJ have the longest carrer with the most points and a very dominant time. And he is the greatest opponent for Curry. And Curry is the greatest shooter in the history of basketball, he defined the game itself and at the same time he is the biggest thread on the field. LBJ and SC30 are both the greatest offensive player of all time. still dominate the game on there own way (and at this age). They dont have to be retired to be in the GOAT debate, because they are already even or better then the most other in this debate. And both are 100% in the HOF most points in NBA history and the most 3 points in NBA History. it would be a scandal when they dont get in there lol

[@mattsat]

How do you measure gravity and how that creates shots or “assists” teammates….

[@kuoliangyu]

I do not think that a point guard is simply a facilitator so that OTHER people score. To me, a PG is the INITIATOR of plays that the coach sets up. That play may be designed so that someone else shoots at the end. But the play could also be one that ends up in the hands of the PG. So if your PG (Curry) happens to be the greatest shooter of all time, why not set up more plays that end up with the ball in Curry's hands. So Curry is both the INITIATOR and the SHOOTER..

[@endfuls]

The thing is that pg has no true definition, cause no point guard is that big in assists and like 3 double or double double cause point guards are not always gonna have the ball or hold it until someone is open, unless you really focus on it like Westbrook who really wanted those triple doubles like, but that is what I think, I see that more on some 2k thing cause they hold ball and make the plays in nba pretty much everyone make plays and it’s also on how the team/coach make the plays

[@levans4598]

Magic is first hands down cause he could play all 5 positions and defend them. His rookie season he beat the 76ers in the finals playing at Center cause Kareem was injured. He scored 42 points in that game and was incredible!

[@jankowski123]

the difference is Steph did all that Shooting the ball, passing , facilitator , movement without the ball and that is why i considered him the best point guard

[@kennethestes1828]

Even Stephen A stepped outside the definition of PG to make his argument. Well, if we gonna go outside the box, lets see how well Curry would have done as a Rookie, playing Center, against Dr. J.

[@wallacegarrett3537]

He's a point /shooting guard. New position: "Point-Shooting" guard. Like Tim Hardaway and Steve Nash. P-Sh guard

[@Renvil_]

Having to be "traditional" doesn't make sense when the whole way basketball is played has changed since that tradition was set. Being the ball facilitator and key for enabeling your team mates to get better looks or safer shots is what matters. So when Steph is so impactul that just by being on the floor, the opponents can't not respect him being present, leading to Steph being a catalyst for the rest of his team. That's in effect the same as being the one feeding them the ball. Yes, the league is way more "positionless" in todays line of play, but you therefore also can't be stuck in the traditional way for positions. You should rather look at the ROLE those positions had, and then how those roles are being played out in a broader sense. Doing so clearly shows the impact of the players in said roles/positons. Just look at GSW's other player's stats when Steph is ON the floor, compared to when he's OFF. Number 30 has a terrifying pressence, and him moving around so much while being as deadly as he is from anywhere, means the rest of the team will simply do better. The same way Magic impacted the Lakers in the 80's.

[@antoniokim8033]

Best point guard on what a point guard does then Magic wins hands down

[@pgf2940]

point guard isn't about passing rather its playmaking. Steph discombobulating the defense by his movement even without the ball creates the opening for the team

[@gustavo_r24]

SC 1 MJ 2 There’s no discussion sorry.

[@danmosley4387]

Nobody has ever got his teammates better looks than Steph. He regularly draws two and three defenders leaving his teammates open for easy buckets. DONE

[@jatyst]

Steph is literally a hybrid point guard

[@navynugget7]

Shooter = Steph, all around =Magic

[@Rita-p8o]

^Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[@navynugget7]

@@Rita-p8o ok young fella

[@mogar4099]

I personally think todays players are better than the old players.

[@diffcontroversy]

Bro, you said Magic rejuvenated the career of Kareem. That's horseshit. Kareem was the reigning MVP when Magic joined.

[@emmaxcokrams6509]

all those legends who says Steph is not the greatest PG player are all jealous about Steph.

[@ramilllena813]

If the definition of a point guard is to create space for his teammates then curry is the best..his presence draws 2 or 3 defenders to him even without the ball and even behind the 3 point line. Yes its not the usual way we see in a pointguard but basketball has already evolve. If you keep living in the past era then you cant compete now.

[@dejuanroberts8883]

The problem is us sticking to the current definition of a PG. Steph Curry has made us consider there are more ways to facilitate offense for your team, movement and shot making. How many easy shots did Magic create for his teammates without the ball in his hand because the insane amount of attention and stress he imposed on the defense? NONE. I will argue Steph Curry's movement is more dangerous than Magic Johnson's passing. How much floor spacing did Magic generate to create easy shots for his teammates? Definitely not like Steph. Steph Curry is generating double teams 30ft from the basket because the fear of making a 3. Steph Curry has totally revolutionized the game of basket and with his performance in the Olympics.....smh....I will end with this, has a player EVER in the NBA sent a defender to the hospital from dehydration and mental exhaustion? HE IS THE GREATEST PG.

[@FergMartice]

Steph's game looks more like Reggie Millers game than A typical point guard.

[@odinsluvchild764]

😂😂😂

[@lon3frqnci119]

Nah bruh. Stephen is his own player. He don't play like them dudes.

[@sireoz3681]

I second this, Reggie was also running around all the time, and his shoots were impossible to block due to his height and shooting form. He was 6' 7" and he jumped as much as he could as he shooted and release at the highest point or just before he lands depending on the situation. Another legend.

[@geraldslaughter7110]

Steph is my second favorite player behind Hakeem. That said, I still have Magic as the best PG. If Steph gets another ring or has two more deep playoff runs, then I would accept the assertion that Steph is the greatest all-time pg.

[@Minambiri]

Oldies just talking about their own experiences but man steoh is a different beast

[@tonyredgrave1570]

Greatest shooter of all time said by arguably the greatest player of all time. Enough said.

[@Phephe00]

Lebron James said it the best about Steph.Curry. ... And I quote, LeBron James said Steph Curry is the most dangerous when the ball is not in his hand because he is constantly knowing where the ball is on the court at any given time and can shoot from any given spot on the court

[@JoBuGAMING]

so that makes lebron a point guard? draymond? jokic

[@mapy1901]

Curry THE GOAT period

[@TheCOWBOYRANCHER]

Another trip to the WCF and possible finals would solidify Curry as the 🐐 PG and would put him at #5 overall in NBA history.

[@geraldfischer1057]

steph curry all day

[@malika.ferguson5089]

How the fuck is tripple double a pg stat eliminating him from being better the Magic

[@ceciliapestrana9877]

KAJ made it easy for Magic!

[@rufinogarcia7724]

Steph is the most exciting pg of all time. Maybe even the most exciting basketball player of all time. All the shots he had made were without much physical effort and risk of hurting himself and others. Michael et al of his size and height were using a lot of physical strength and brute force to score just two points for the most part, but Steph is almost always effortless vs the kinds of mj and magic et al. This fact made basketball a game only for the giants and powerful. With Steph, even midsize players can play in the big leagues because Steph had shown a way for almost all to excel. I dare to point out that the detractors of Steph in the main support the narrative that pure black power is physical strength--at the risk of being criticized or even hated. Subliminally, they cannot accept the idea that a light-skinned midget like Steph could dethrone goliaths in much the same way that manny pacquiao could not be better than Floyd?! The idea that non-pure black athletes could be better than the typical black superstars is anathema to this narrative. The way this idea would be discussed with or without much emotional explosions, as just a pure intellectual conversation, will measure the maturity of the main proponents of the narrative. Big Aristotle shaq was just proposing or asking to start a conversation on whether Steph could be the goat, pg or whatever, and the narrative's fanatics--mostly not light-skinned themselves or mediocre pg-turned tv commentator--were already peppering Shaq with inquisitors' badgering. I think the NBA has been biased vs Steph and this is a reason why the nba ratings are going down--because Steph is the most exciting basketball player, per Shaq, and yet the refs keep on sidelining him too early just to favor the nba favorite player named lbj. This was too obvious in the Cleveland finals series when the refs, at the behest of the league most likely, was fouling Steph despite jr smith being the one really pushing Steph. No consistency also when it comes to Steph. Honest fans know this has been happening, and so the NBA ratings have been going down the tubes. Steph and his team know this, but they just let it pass because they have to make the whole NBA charade look good. This again happened during the latest series with the lbj-led Lakers--the irrational calls by the refs against the warriors only, and never against the Lakers. The league and the refs as useful idiots wanted the Lakers to win. The result was a lopsided finals because the best teams were not in the finals. Lots more to say but I don't care anymore. I just stop watching the boring games. Like many others I know. NBA sucks!!! Sorry to say but true. Goodbye for now.

[@Dermi_Sky]

there are rumors of bet manipulation by the refs. And a well known Sponsor who wants that some players are more successful then others (Nike). Did you know that Jordan and LBJ are sponsored by Nike. but curry is sponsored by under armour. one of these is getting less calls when fouled then other rumors say. not my words

[@rufinogarcia7724]

@@Dermi_Sky that's too obvious to honest brokers and who take no sides plus those who really love the game. The league is the big problem, with too many Zion elders in control of the business side in cahoots with China CCP in re one world government. The recent warm or boiling reception of Steph in China is proof that the CCP and the Chinese people are not in sink with each other. The perceptive China people know that Steph is the real thing and that lbj is just brute force athlete who uses power too much--like the CCP that they all hate. Steph is the metaphor for the oppressed small guys who are being bullied by lbj-sized China CCP. Down with the Zion elders and the globalist elites among them. Bye bye NBA. Let's have another league not run by Zion elites

[@topspot4834]

In 50 years people will still be talking about Steph, even more than they will LeBron. Does that mean he's better? I don't know, but I do know he's had a bigger impact and we have a better chance of seeing another LeBron than we will Steph.

[@KingOnema]

Steph can dominate with his shooting in magic era but in today's era Magic is just a Ben Simmon

[@Darthtanos]

I'd say this is kind of a 1a 1b situation, with Steph having the potential to make it his if he gets another ring or something of that nature

[@jaymac4448]

I've got to push back on one statement. Seth didn't have to face 1 dynasty because the super team mercenaries hopped around. There are only a handful of teams that touched it out over the last 10 years.

[@ramonpower6004]

Define dynasty, cuz don't seem like Jordan beat any dynasty in the finals either.

[@Dnz-zg5km]

For me it's just ridiculous to talk about best pg's, best sg's, best sf's and so on comparing totally different eras of basketball. Today we talk about potionless basketball. We have pass first centers (Nikola), we have point forwards (Lebron, Draymond), since Iverson we had a kind of shoot first point guard. It's just not possible to compare players based on traditional position anymore.

[@renawhyte3651]

There will be people who like to be praise and it imust be all about them, their time has come and gone, Curry do not need any validation from them we were all once young, age is a great equalizer everything is temporary if you can't something good then shut up

[@mamboitaliano5592]

Had a long conversation with chatgpt not objective but I was more sided with magic of being the best pg of all time. Chatgpt says steph no matter what, even everything calculated.

[@TheMmi43]

Stephen A is right.

[@1x.o1-y7j]

If Steph got lots of Superstars in his team too he’ll have better stats than Magic specifically in assisting. They should be thankful he’s not 6’9 like Magic coz he’ll dominate the game like literally.

[@666Snav]

Gravity > Assists... you're a much more dangerous facilitator than a normal PG. If you count how many openshots wr taken by his teammates due to his gravity, then he 100% beats Magic.

[@lv41anothr60]

Steph's not done yet so why compare so soon. I love both, and both can hold that title imo.

[@seanmojica6808]

We cannot compare each player that easily bcuz they have their own style of playing and abilities while they are in the court. Thats y every player is great in their own way ofnplaying the basketball.

[@Dermi_Sky]

we can compare because some player have more impact on the game itself. some of them had better/worse teams in the League or 1+ other outstanding player in there teams. and we have stats. way not enough but these can give us some information about the effectivness of a certain playstyle. is currys playstyle better then shaqs? Was Kobe able to beat Lebron? We can compare and thats what we do. but the evolution of the sport and the player itself shows that player are more talented and athletic now compared to 20 yearrs ago. dont be delucional

[@ma.theresacastro1166]

Yes ,can you play magic and curry and you can judge whos the best pointguard

[@madarauchiha2953]

Bro, Magic played every position. How tf you say he is a pure pointguard and steph isnt?💀 In my opinion steph is the better pointguard. Steph played with KD, and had help, but he also proved to be able to play alone. Something magic didnt, he ALWAYS had starplayers around. Accolades they are close, and every other aspect as well. In my opinion its extremly close, but i prefere curry as the goat PG

[@Dermi_Sky]

name one player in the GOAT debate who didnt had superstars in his team

[@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains]

Curry is a scoring pg that happens to score alot through shooting 3s. His impact cant be measured through stats.

[@Dermi_Sky]

it could be. but we dont have these stats in the NBA. why is double/triple team not a stat? we should track the movement of the defense to or away from a player (easy to do btw), open the map by shooting much or close the rim by much dunking. (defender will be stay more at the 3pt line when curry is on the field then anyone else. but they will be stay closer to the basket against player like kobe, shaq or LBJ who dont do much 3pts in the game) we can take these stats. but then we will see the NBA in other way because player like magic or jordan cant keep up in those stats

[@sireoz3681]

Stephen Curry is the best shooter point guard ever, Magic Johnson is the best passer point guard ever (which is more valuable by the way, because there is at least 5 times more passer point guards now and throughout the basketball history). End of debate.

[@Dermi_Sky]

passing is not more valuable lol. we have the most shooter in the nba ever, the PG is a allround position now who has to be good everywhere. Curry is even without the ball double or triple teamed. the way player like curry can open up the field for other player and still be a thread even 30ft from the rim away is way more valuable then any pass in the game.

[@sireoz3681]

@@Dermi_Sky No you misunderstood, what I mean by passer is assist. An assist means at least a 2 point fg is made, 3 points occassionally. Magic has nearly 2 times more assists and 3 more rebounds, (total career averages). Steph has 25 points which is 5 more than Magic but like I said an assist means at least 2 points, so 5 more assist average means 10 points at least. So if we convert both players' assist to points and add them to their career averages points, Steph has 37 points on average and Magic has 42 points. (I only counted assists leading to 2 point FGs) Do you see where Im getting at? Assists are as important as points because they ALWAYS lead to points. So Steph has way to go in career statistics comparison. If we talk about in-game impact, Magic is the only player who could play in all 5 positions occasionally. And this is no exaggeration, he literally played center in playoffs final game as a rookie when Kareem got injured and scored 42 points 15 rebounds. And 3rd point to look for is championships, Steph needs one more championship to be comparable with Magic. Magic won 5 championships in 13 seasons, Steph will play his 15th season and still has one less championship.

[@JimboDolar]

you already said it: Steph is the prototype of a NEW point guard... meaning: not of ALL time

[@dave929]

That’s right. Anything MJ has an opinion about he is ALWAYS right. 🙄🙄🙄🥱🥱🥱

[@TheMmi43]

Yep he’s always right to an audience of 1… himself.

[@dave929]

@@TheMmi43 They ‘must’ ask the GOAT his ‘opinions’ on the NBA and then take them as gospel. Of course, same can be said about James - he has to make himself relevant about everything else and act like his views are gospel.

[@mamboitaliano5592]

Its actually a good debate. But there is a lot of scoring pg in the game then passers at this era. Steph changed the game. Just bc magic has insane assist stats doesnt make him the goat pg. The game evolves everytime. If you watch and understand basketball Steph is the best pg of all time. But if you take rings in the convo then yes steph needs one more ring. Same with lebron and jordan, lebron broke most of jordans records but bc he is lacking 2 rings people say jordan is goat. I would love to say kobe is better then bron cuz I loved watching kobe but like its the reality. He isnt rip. Just by understanding the game and watching players here is my starting 5: PG-Curry SG-Jordan SF-Lebron PF-ANTETEKOUNMPO C-Shaq Now I will end this magic or steph debate: Will you replace curry for magic in this starting 5? You see what I mean? No one cant. As to the goat I will say Jordan because he is the chosen one. For the future Luka is the closest to becoming the goat. (He does need some rings ASAP tho)

[@mamboitaliano5592]

I just want to add up that anybody can break magics records in the future. But no one can break wilts 100 points, stephs threes and wemby blocks in the future mb.

[@KayC18]

Steph is the best 3pointer ever alive… but the best “point guard” with the sense of initiation of offense and court vision… magic…

[@aldrinmayugba]

steph is not a point guard rather a shooting guard

[@joycelago1315]

I’m 63 and it’s Steph

[@felipeyuichidantaskato4398]

See the numbers, Wardell so everything you want in a point guard (better than magic), he just don't do it the same way as the other point guards, he generates offense without the ball, he makes his teamates better without the ball, and will carry the ball half court and coordetane offence. He is a point guard, and the greates of all time, magic is the close N⁰2

[@Dermi_Sky]

so you want compare wardell with curry? curry does the same. but is even more dangerous because he can score whenever he wants. Curry is without the ball the biggest thread on the field (said by many active and retired player). you cant let him alone. he can outplay the defense with his incredible ballhandling. he is member of the 50-40-90 club and the only player with 50-45-90 stats ever. Curry opens like wardell the court for his teammates too. he always gets double team or triple team, even without the ball. there is a reason nobody talks about wardell. curry is the 3.0 version of him with way more threads in offense

[@ASGTYS]

36 year old man came in clutch to win gold medal getting double teamed 35 feet out takes it hes 6’2 a 36 year old magic Johnson on the 2022 warriors isnt beating the celtics without klay poole and green sorry curry is the best player to play point gaurd who plays a point gaurd better of course magic johnson but curry is the best person to ever play it

[@richardthelionheart2119]

Just ask people to form a 5 man team in today's nba if they can exclude Steph from it.

[@christineedwards3337]

Game has changed

[@DavidWilliams-rk1nq]

Define point guard please

[@gc5921]

magic played 13 years and won 5 rings (was forced to retire because of HIV). how many more rings would he have won if he could have played? we won't know. but most likely at least 1 more. steph has played 15 years and has won 4 rings. he's definitely been more impactful in terms of changing today's game. i'm from sf and steph is a hella sick player! but magic might have the edge in the debate here... if we're talking stats.

[@ramonpower6004]

Magic wouldn't have any more rings once Kareem retired the team wasn't the same no more.

[@TheMmi43]

Steph changed the game. All respect to Magic his impact on the game cannot be duplicated. Having said that, my preference is Steph. The game moves faster and is more efficient…. not mention more exciting.

[@williamtambayong1024]

They are both legend

[@GemStone-z9s]

Curry the best🎉

[@scottherdliska372]

Neither of these guys are the best point guard. Magic was a stud and could play all five spots. He’s a better all-around player than these that follow, but not as a point guard: Stockton, Nash, Robertson, Thomas. Curry is a great all-arounder, he’s nowhere close to being the best passer and never will be.

[@HomeboyLove1]

Step maybe the best scoring guard, and I do mean maybe Iceman was a guard. Magic and Ice play when you could literally assault another player. Step would came off the bench like his daddy did back then.

[@shafatabadin5013]

Steph on top old heads this is THE GOAT PG

[@BPGamer0110]

Compare their defense, Magic has way better defense than steph. Magic has less turn overs, in fact of being a pointguard who always has the ball. Unlike step who mostly do off ball and being a semi pointguard, steph still manage to have more turnovers than magic. Other thing, when steph us cold, he is pretty useless to the team even he don't get doubled team, there is nothing he can do if he is cold. Unlike Magic, even he doesn't make a lot of points, he is still and effective player for the team.

[@Dermi_Sky]

Steph is a powerhouse in overall stats per game way above magic. I cant remember a game where Steph was not a monster as a offensive player. even he is bad in the first half of the game. he scores even more in 2nd half. Magic can be useless too. his strengh was his pass. but nobody can pass perfect all time, not under pressure. And he cant carry his team. what is when the defense blocks all teammates? Magic was not that good in scoring. Magic was only that great as a PG because of Kareem. without i think he would not won 5 rings on his own

[@ひゃん-k2x]

This a wild take😂

[@JesseMunoz-ey3cq]

I watched a whole lot of basketball in my 52 years and Steph in my opinion in the best player ever only thing he doesn’t really do is dunk a lot but he can. And I love Jordan and magic but Steph is better than both. Just my opinion