Michael Milon vs Luca Valdesi Round 2

Who is the best? Michael Milon from France or Luca Valdesi from Italy.Two legends , two katas , one winner.It's on you to decide....

[@Anton_the_Vampire]

Both are awesome, but I have a special place in my heart for Michael Milon.

[@doctor_derecho]

Milon 8.5 y Valdesi 8.3. Las katas realizadas en su orden por los karatekas fueron la UNZU y la GANKAKU. Michael hizo una lata muy bien hecha, pues, fue, mostró rapidez y fuerza en su Kata, la cual no perdió equilibrio, manteniendo las posiciones bajas, por ello le gana a el Kata de Valdesi. En cuanto al Kata de Lucas Valdesi, fue bien hecha, pero, no mantuvo la fuerza necesaria ni el carácter para superar la unzu realizada por Michael, y más aún que esa GANKAKU lo exige, por ello lo supera Michael

[@Senshishuri]

@nutriaman1 Pero me refiero al sistema, no a la cantidad de katas solamente, considera que en el tiempo de milon dedicaba el mismo tiempo que nosotros a practicar 6 o 7 katas a practicar solo 3, eso es algo que no se considera normalmente.

[@skopjem]

just look michael milon's jump 1000% for michael milon he preforms his katas just fantastic i mean he is very good,fast,strong. He is unbelivible,the way he makes the katas is very good so as i sad i give a vote for milon

[@Pope2501]

Your analogy carries a good admonition: do not train/breed for aesthetics, or you will lose the opportunity to train/breed for strength. However, I think it is not a completely applicable analogy in that kata practice (in ANY style) exists foremost to impart qualities you desire in fighting ability: strength, balance, precision, speed. If a form/kata/poomse/gymnastics floor routine is judged upon these criteria, the skill will continue to improve. If it's judged on belt length perhaps not.

[@Senshishuri]

with the actually competition, for milon could be more difficult, in terms that in his time he don't do more than 3 or 4 katas, if he have to do it now he has to do 5 or 6 katas, that's a big difference. We can think, like he have to do less katas than valdesi, he can improve more each one because he doesn't need more katas..

[@BelloBudo007]

I agree in principle, providing of course the judges actually base their decision on 'strength, balance, precision, speed.' One could include accuracy in there too along with perhaps Martial Attitude. Sadly I have seen far too many kata judges (and kumite) that are far less qualified than the people they are judging. In fact at one stage it seemed that unsuccessful competitors turned into judges.

[@Pope2501]

Accuracy could be a component especially in highly standardized systems, like JKA and Kukkiwon, but when different forms/katas are used by each competitor, there arises a distributable accountability for accuracy of each movement to make the judging equal -- and if system were to compete against one another, then you'd have to have breadth and depth of knowledge that few practitioners of either style possess. But it would be quite interesting to watch Valdesi's Gankaku vs Kytu Dang's Cheonkwon.

[@SamyRejo]

hay que recordar que es kata competitiva lo cual hace que los atletas modifiquen su katas para que se vean mucho mejor y para ello deben practicar miles de veces para que estas pequeñas modificaciones salgan a la perfeccion. Todo es que ellos tengan en cuenta la verdadera raiz de cada kata para poder diferenciar entre una kata de competencia y una para defensa personal.

[@menc73]

Milon never tested positive for steroids or recreational drugs while competing. He died at 29 from a heart atack as a consequence of a cocaine overdose. These are the facts, other things are speculation.

[@enriquerojaskarate]

bueno un comentario modesto desde Perú, 1000% milon insuperable por cualquiera, conección, performance, es rapidicimo conciderando que no acorta los movimientos como valdesi (que nadie a dicho que no sea bueno, pero comparandolo con milon pues....) en fin, si milon seguiria vivo seguiria siendo el campeon del mundo... fin

[@apulaxzip]

I love both! :)

[@menc73]

I think they are at the same level. But Milon had a more passionate style whereas Valdesi is more cool and emotionless. I prefer Milon myself because I feel I created his own style and broke away from the japanese norm of the day.

[@lemischu]

Milon has a nice Unsu but Valdesi has Nice Gankaku.... well you cant compare who is better these two when they are performing different Katas...

[@TheWmac67]

I like Valdesi and think he is technically excellent but the kime and power of Milon is just so fun to watch. If you were to be hit by these competitors techniques from their kata I have no doubt that Milon's power wins hands down. However in the WKF of today Valdesi would probably win, where pretty over shadows power.

[@fjsc90]

@Larloch80 These katas are evaluated as Tokui, so they can do that :)

[@marceloviera]

millon por mucho millon fue un extraidinario competidor valdesi es un buen competidor

[@andrehbahodi7784]

Luca Valdesi is the fastest dude i've ever seen in my life, but i think when he does his kata he is sharp + fast, but hurries to much, but if he did his kata sharp + fast without the hurrying, he would be amazing, if not he is amazing alrdy, than even more

[@BelloBudo007]

@Larloch80 - Thank goodness that someone else sees what I see. Another thing that's becoming very popular, especially in Europe, is the long wait. Wait for their funny walk to the entry point. Wait until they bow. Wait for another funny walk to the starting mark. Wait for another slooow bow. Wait for the announcement of the kata. Finally more waiting for them to start. I'd like to see a time limit and points penalty for time wasting.

[@letisrt]

They're both awesome! I can't "judge" two perfect kata-men like that. I prefer Unsu (I just started to learn it), but Luca's Gankaku is breathtaking.

[@Anton_the_Vampire]

A huge Milon fan, but it's really hard to separate them. Sometimes you can see obvious weaknesses, but not with these two.

[@enta3omry293]

i think it's not fare for milon he didn't play his best unsu but valdesi played the gankaku very well with less mistakes 9.5/10 for valdesi and 9/10 for Milon They are my favourite champions thier movements in kata are really fast and strong and very perfect almost

[@Shotokyu1]

other Kata, other cup and other year

[@enriquerojaskarate]

@Senshishuri bueno yo he sido campeon panamericano en el sistema de la WKF y la verdad cuando he llegado a las finales en los campeonatos mi cuerpo ya estaba completamente recuperado asi que la cantidadad de katas realizados no es un pretexto. Yo respeto mucho a los campeones mundiales desde Sakumoto el primer campeon mundial de la WKF hasta el actual Diaz pero al igual si comparamos a Ryouki Abe con Diaz pues Abe se lo lleva de encuentro bueno son opiniones y para mi Milon es mejor que valdesi

[@Jaska124]

Kata competition was different during Milons prime. And people tend to symphatize for the deceaded. If it was the other way around, people would choose Valdesi.

[@GainghisKhan]

first of all... thats what she said... second of all, valdesi has a lot of speed, no one can disagree. what most people dont think about is how luca compromises technique for speed, and making what he does more sport than should be allowed. (if i offended, sorry, just wanted to tell some stuff ive been thinking about)

[@JPEWD]

you can not compare these two great karateka's with each other, because they are both from another "time". karate has also developed over the years and it is not exactly the same as before. Valdesi is also performing another kata.

[@BelloBudo007]

@xlovexcz - Sure you can. You do it with different food, wine and people all the time. Why not do it with different kata? It's just my opinion but I'm of the view that kata should not be for competition in the first place. As soon as there is 'competition' things suffer. For example working dogs were doing fine before Dog Shows came along and now we have serious problems (breathing, backs & hips) in what were once healthy breeds. I think kata is heading down a similar road.

[@titi067]

milon no contest for me

[@Senshishuri]

@nutriaman1 Coincido contigo, manteniendo las diferencias debido al paso del tiempo ya que este video en el caso de milon es de mediados de los 90, creo poco antes del final de la carrera de milon era mucho más veloz y fuerte que en este kata, creo que en ESE momento fué el mejor. Pero considerando el sistema de competencia en el que estaba milon le era mucho más fácil ya que hacía con suerte 3 katas en un mundial. no sé como sería con el reglamento actual de la WKF. Punto para valdesi.

[@namedemo]

Both howesome but first more heavy than second. valdesi is also much explosive

[@mrmrja47]

@Larloch80 You have true !!!

[@liam1998m]

valdesi is from sicily

[@hudsonkrat]

90' Milon 2000' Valdesi 2010' Diaz Cada um foi o melhor de sua época, cada um contribuiu para o karate evoluir assim como existirão outros.

[@Musashi6661]

Adalberto Hudson tem vergonha nem sabes o que dizes

[@hudsonkrat]

Myamoto ????

[@Musashi6661]

explique me como e que cada um deles contribuio para o karate?

[@hudsonkrat]

Basicamente por cada um por ser campeão mundial servir de inspiração para os praticantes, cada um em sua época. Meu comentário foi feito a partir do vídeo, no qual apresenta um comparativo entre os atletas Milon e Valdesi. Agora respeite a opinião das pessoas, pois você não me conhece, argumente a ideia e não quem a fez!

[@Musashi6661]

nunca na vida nenhum deles contribuiu um bocadinho para o karate por outro lado, cada um deles contribuiu para a sua degradaçao, eu admiro o Milon de certa forma, mas nunca o Valdesi, muito menos o Diaz, karate nao passa pela competiçao, a competiçao destroi o karate, é um cancro, e o Valdesi e o Diaz (sobretudo estes dois) contribuiram sem duvida para a competiçao do karate, q como eu aborei acima é uma doença. O Karate é o caminho do guerreiro, um atleta jamais sera um.

[@Florencrina]

MILON!!!!!!!

[@adamt5495]

Michael Milon 💪

[@hamido351]

milon teh winner

[@IosonoKaosYta]

You know nothing of Karate, idiot.

[@zachkarate1]

If this was an actual match, milon would definately win, however, I've seen Valdesi do way better, so this vid does not do him justice.

[@Florencrina]

MILON!!! PARA SIEMPRE MILON!!!

[@romagny13]

unsu michael milon > unsu luca valdesi but luca is awesome(gankaku,sochin,...)

[@karategregoire6417]

MIlon monster empi kanku sho

[@andreacatania8183]

Valdesi's unsu is clearly better than Milon's one, in my opinion. I mean, the strenght of the first and his speed are incomparable..

[@darthpeter89]

Obviously Valdesi is better than Milon...but obviously unsu is much more beautiful than gankaku...

[@fashotokan]

jaja siempre unsu y gankaku - luca tiene que hacer gojoshiho sho ;)

[@siegfriedradschun]

Ich bleib beim Wing-Tsun

[@Senshishuri]

milon le gana, sin coca, gana valdesi

[@miguelina71]

el unsu de valdesi es mejor y su postura de katas es mejor

[@Pope2501]

Second, "martial attitude" is so very subjective that it seems beyond any objective measure of subtle degree -- this is where room for preference of belt length comes into play, which is to say, this is a rather useless criteria. The form or fighting proficiency of the judges does not confer proficient judging. Judges in court do not need to be former criminals nor lawyers to properly and expertly decide a case. In this way I think your idea is demonstrably false.

[@nipaipo36100]

milon was far away better

[@65mits]

milon is too fast

[@AndersonAlexandrino]

valdesi 5 x 0 milon