Actually Installing Windows on a Nintendo DS! (1.0 to 3.0 Upgrade Saga Attempt)

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[@Wavy667_]

The developer of DSx86 was developing a 3DS port conveniently called 3DSx86, but it seems they never finished/released it. Quite unfortunate really, as the DS version was really great and would've benefited a lot from the extra power from the 3DS.

[@quarterofdisorder]

Ah man that sucks

[@Roebloz]

Oh hello Wavy.

[@Wavy667_]

@@Roebloz Hello Roebloz :p

[@txe1nd]

Wow got the at the top comments I’m 17 like

[@Roebloz]

@@Wavy667_ Sup pal

[@markusTegelane]

wait, this is possible? lesson learned: never underestimate homebrew developers

[@tf_d]

;)

[@albertthedankalt9546]

And Nintendo is still trying to kill them

[@tf_d]

@@albertthedankalt9546 Nintendo's Lawyers are the debil

[@HeadmostCantaloupe]

agree

[@ZimVerse]

@@tf_d did you mean "Nintendo's Lawyers are the devil"?

[@DaVince21]

Oh man, I had the SuperCard DSTwo. It was super interesting because it basically houses an extra CPU on the card itself that's more powerful than the DS hardware. It allowed me to play Commander Keen on the DS of all things! There were some really neat emulators for it as well.

[@maxfax1012]

enchanting table language

[@DaVince21]

@@maxfax1012 Standard Galactic Alphabet

[@TtEL]

If you *HAD* one. What happened to it?

[@DaVince21]

@@TtEL Unfortunately, it broke... Besides being a cool piece of hardware it wasn't manufactured very well, so the entire top half of the cartridge came off at some point.

[@Stormy2142]

still have mine!

[@mahmoud9999]

Omg ive never thought that it is possible to run a real version of windows on a ds console ,very nice video michael

[@NatetheNintendofan]

@@MrJ0mmy shut up Self Advertiser

[@yes7528]

@@NatetheNintendofan Yeah, southern advertisers are really rude these days.

[@endymallorn]

Why not? Of course it’s ARM/THUMB architecture, but there have been ARM to x86 interpretation setups for years. The biggest issue with the DS is the lack of a keyboard, but that’s why you wrap it in a file that includes a touchscreen keyboard, like with early touch monitors in the 80s & 90s.

[@half-dusted]

@@MrJ0mmy we aren't stupid. I have a plugin where I can see people's uploads without going on their channel.

[@iwinrar5207]

@@endymallorn that and emulation on something as under powered as the DS. So the fact you can do that and ahve a keyboard. Still an impressive feat. More so 3.0 then 1.0

[@MaskedGEEK]

23:35 - Michael just invented Dark Mode for Windows 30 years before it became an official feature.

[@markusTegelane]

no he didn't

[@atonysomething]

@@markusTegelane ...It was a joke

[@MaskedGEEK]

@@markusTegelane 🤦‍♂️

[@688Shadow]

@@markusTegelane r/whoosh

[@pessoaanonima6345]

It was a hidden feature until windows 8, when they removed classic theme. If you use that theme on windows 7 it will be way more consistent than on windows 10.

[@Sky.Dog757]

Now this brings back nostalgia! I remember owning both of these DS’s as well as the LIte edition keep up the fantastic work MJD!

[@GlitchyYT65]

yep

[@JonathanMendez4820]

Facts

[@Sky.Dog757]

@@JonathanMendez4820 🙌

[@imSomebody-m4c]

"owning one" "as well as the Lite" uh? explain me please

[@Sky.Dog757]

@@imSomebody-m4c I’ve owned both models in the past the original DS and the DS Lite used to play Pokémon pearl and diamond nonstop on it

[@jargon343]

I absolutely love these 30 minute videos! Perfect for watching when I have nothing to do

[@tomyyoung2624]

Yes review is available for

[@OfficialFortCraft]

chilli

[@_ace55]

I didnt even see the video but I love this type of stuff, like emulating software on a device I couldnt think could do that :D Thanks for making these videos!

[@yaboijuanito1460]

Same cuz it looks really intresting

[@HeidenLam]

ee

[@wido1085]

One thing you could have tried was using SUBST to map the folder with your installation files to a drive letter (A in this case). SUBST has been around since MSDOS 3.1 I believe and essentially allows you to map any folder to a drive letter. It even still works in modern Windows. :)

[@jtfoog5220]

Sus boot

[@aetimes2]

@@jtfoog5220 Sub soot

[@linux_fox]

Now I have the sudden urge to do this, but with every drive letter.

[@SouseMouse]

I used subst in Windows 95 to hide my files from my parents. Win+R for the run dialog. Run "cmd" for a terminal, then type "mkdir secret" and hold Alt while typing 0255 on the numpad before pressing enter. If you list directories with "dir" you'll see "secret" listed, but "cd secret" will say it doesn't exist. In the Windows file Explorer you'll see "secret_", but again be unable to open it. In the terminal you can "cd secret" if you add the Alt+0255, but that's inconvenient and doesn't let you open stuff in Windows programs. That's where subst came in: "subst s: secret"Alt+0255. Now Windows has a drive S: with your stuff. You can hide it again, but don't have to remember to because subst resets on reboot.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I use subst to mount folders with a path >260 characters. oh and also to have my sync folder as drive

[@SleepyAdam]

This takes me back. I was such a nerdy kid. Loved messing around with DSx86. Could never get Windows working tho. This is some childhood wish fulfillment.

[@A2r2r]

fancy seeing you here

[@BANJO500]

I remember using this app to play Alone in the dark on my DS lite. I was an amazing experience! BTW I have that Pokémon with the keyboard, but it doesn't have the GBA slot accessory, the BT receiver is in the cartridge itself.

[@TNTMusic5757]

Yes

[@Pacca64]

I did this! used to run the old Oregon trail game on my DS, was a lot of fun

[@fnjesusfreak]

I should see whether that works on PomDS.

[@willm5032]

There's something delightfully pointless about using a handheld capable of running 3d games to emulate a decades old OS to play solitaire. Love it!

[@seronymus]

It's not pointless.

[@willm5032]

@@seronymus How so?

[@minignoux4566]

​@@willm5032you're still running windows and dos, meaning productivity apps are available to you it's an extremely dumb way to make a word document, but a way nonetheless also the hundreeds of dos exclusive games that runs on 286s

[@TweeterMan287]

Exactly what I needed! Program Manager on my DS!

[@MagnumForce51]

It's too bad no one has really tried getting Windows CE to run on DS. That version of Windows was meant to run on ARM based platforms I think or at least non x86 stuff like the DS. No idea what the boot process/driver situation would be for an OS like that though. Only time I ever personally interacted with Windows CE was with the inventory scanner tool I used when I worked in the back at Wal-Mart back in 2013 or so and those things had Windows CE on them. CE is weird though and seems to be customized for almost every platform one finds it on. Not to mention the apps you can run on it would be super limited. Definitely can't run normal x86 windows stuff in Windows CE. :P

[@txe1nd]

Wow that’s cool

[@txe1nd]

2 like ohso get these to the top comment to

[@Wii505]

Actually the physical keyboard for the DS didn't have an adapter that hooked up to the GBA Slot. The Pokemon cartridge had the adapter built into it and other DS cartridge had extra tech them

[@TtEL]

That would mean you could still use the keyboard for the game on your 3DS?

[@Wii505]

@@TtEL Yes

[@jspantonio8807]

There was a bluetooth one too i think

[@4444aa]

4:56 I like the name of the SD card. Also I am curious how it would run on DSi using twilight menu + -bootstrap- , might try because I don't have a flash card. (Edit: It works fine on my Unlaunch DSi. Also I forgot it was homebrew and so it does not use bootstrap.)

[@CityAnimate]

To those who don't get the joke, this is the video id for Never gonna give you up

[@swisstech5734]

Good Question 😬

[@epoggg3672]

It would not run under twilightm menu+bootstrap as it cannot get other files on an sd card, so you have to run it under unlaunch.

[@jspantonio8807]

Dsi and 3ds throttle the cpu to norml ds clock speeds when running a ds game to prevent issues and errors

[@Zakkious]

@@jspantonio8807 Nowadays you can run any game with the increased clock speed and ram using TWLoader

[@libby8477]

5:04 if you look at the title of the finder window, the r4 card is named the never gonna give you up link digits

[@RealEpikCartfrenYT]

people always find more creative and indirect ways to rickroll us

[@imSomebody-m4c]

I'm still thinking why's he using mac os

[@attestedatom6752]

@@imSomebody-m4c because it's epic

[@atonysomething]

@@imSomebody-m4c his new macbook, which he stated at the start of the video

[@imSomebody-m4c]

@@atonysomething thanks, I didn't see it because it was small

[@MoonSarito]

This is just amazing and insane at the same time, I would love to see you trying to install Windows on other consoles like the 3DS and PSP or Wii U. There's also a Windows ''clone'' made for the Nintendo 8 Bit similar to the Windows XP video on the Nintendo DS you made before that would be really cool to check out.

[@sirlukas2]

That's so amazing Michael! Well done!

[@alexandersteele4212]

Awesome video lol. How's the macos transition cus you've used windows since the beginning

[@MichaelMJD]

I'm actually not switching completely, my main desktop computer is still Windows-based. Now I get the best of both worlds!

[@alexandersteele4212]

@@MichaelMJD awesome i hope you enjoy your experience with macos :)

[@muhamarifh2362]

@@MichaelMJD Today's MacBooks or Apple Products Are Already Using the M1 or M1 Pro/MAX Chipset (So if you want to install a virtual machine, maybe you can, but now the MacBook is ARM Based, so it's difficult to find an OS that supports ARM-based) Unless Intel-Based it can only be

[@luciascarlet]

@@muhamarifh2362 You can run Windows 11 ARM in Parallels on M1 Macs and it actually performs quite well. I use it sometimes when I need Windows for something quick but can't be bothered to use another computer.

[@muhamarifh2362]

@@luciascarlet Yes That's What I Mean

[@idoblenderstuffs]

oh wait, britain actually got the DS keyboard aswell!! it was a normal bluetooth keyboard, but it came with a pokemon typing game that had a bluetooth chip inside the cartidge. i remember seeing it in the shop years ago.

[@dreammfyre]

The resolution is always a problem when running emulators on a DS. It’s too low res even for NES emulation. Maybe you should try this on a 3DS instead? That screen is 320x240 and perfect for DOS stuff at least.

[@titaniumex2556]

Imagine running Windows NT 5 Beta 2 on a 3DS and a build of Windows Longhorn that has the Slate theme on a wii u😂

[@le9038]

very nice video on installing windows 2.0 to 3.0 on the Nintendo DS! now, *let's see you install 95 next...*

[@libertyernie]

It wouldn't be an original model Nintendo DS without that trademark broken hinge!

[@imSomebody-m4c]

Broken Hinge©®

[@fnjesusfreak]

Happens to the Lite too.

[@MthaMenMon]

My cousin's DS lite got that and eventually the top screen flex cable broke. Carefull with that hinge lol

[@NotAGamer685]

I just got the OG phat ds in the mail today. Looking for a cheap r4 in the US and an EZ flash omega definitive edition. The ultimate setup

[@nolongergabe]

just wait until Totally Broken Screen™

[@whtiequillBj]

There is one other issue with using the physical keyboard provided in Japan and Europe. That is you would need to program in or find a way to get firmware support in DSx86.

[@FlameTiger-cn2vw]

250k congrats MJD

[@MichaelMJD]

Thank you!

[@dinofriends650]

Congrats on the new MBP

[@sprx5506]

WAY more impressive than my calculator idea, well done! :D

[@blainepalmerza]

Awesome video, Michael!

[@MichaelMJD]

Thanks!

[@Arthur-bk9wn]

Very interesting and fun as always, great!

[@woode77able]

It's so weird to see that DS and DS Lite. They're the same colors I had and are broken in the same spots too. I have to imagine that a lot of DSes broke on that one hinge though

[@donsolos]

Yup. Hinges breaking is one of the DS biggest problems

[@xxmichibxx]

I remember getting Windows 3.11 for workgroups working on the DS years ago. I tried it forever until it worked. Good times.

[@brain_tweaker5708]

I use Windows 3.1 on my Nintendo DS's (Phat DS, DS Lite, iQue DS Lite, DSi) to play Mario's Game Gallery. I installed it back in 2018. It works pretty well. I have always loved the Nintendo DS Family of Systems. I'm very active in the Nintendo DS Hacking scene. Be it Hardware Modifications, ROM Hacking, or flashcarts. Oh boy, do i own many Nintendo DS flashcarts. I am very happy to see you doing more with the Nintendo DS Family of Systems!

[@ProtoMario]

Amazing

[@tassaron]

Hell yeah, love the Linode sponsorship. I want every channel I watch to be sponsored by them lol

[@NoahClevinger]

Looking forward to many more videos from you this year!

[@lotharpeters5985]

an exellent video Btw: until today, you are the ONLY american, which i am listening to, who talk in a way, that every foreighner can understand you! Surtenley with amercian accent - of course! - but: clear, not to quick - Just, in a way, that i DON'T go away after less than a minute. BRAVO - thank you for your exellent video and for your "foreighner-understanable-voice"

[@DaEisi95]

5:46 funny to see how your free disk space melts slowly away :D nice vid btw!

[@mysfiring]

Congratulations on 250K, Michael! :D

[@federicopacei8072]

This is insane 😂 the homebrew community is one of the best thing to happen to humankind

[@VY_Canis_Majoris]

4:41 What a clever rickroll.

[@RealEpikCartfrenYT]

indeed

[@lmnk]

23:40, 25:44 - I find it hilarious how you could have a dark theme (any colour theme you want, in fact) that worked everywhere in old Windows versions released 20+ years ago, but still CAN'T in a brand-new Windows 11 released in 2021... LMAO I remember how I've been using WinXP classic theme on my laptop just because it was possible to set background to black and text to white and it looked cool with my dark-grey vista-esque wallpaper

[@annettemaldonado3373]

Wow. That's..... pathetic

[@NALTOdeluxe]

Dang I gotta go get my booster shot. Will watch when I get back, This should be fun!

[@Moon-ge8mc]

nobody asked 🤡

[@Mizai]

@@Moon-ge8mc nobody asked

[@SurmenianSoldier]

@@Moon-ge8mc Nobody asked for your reply, nobody asked for this reply too.

[@blu9821]

Linode promotion again? Been using with a previous vid, and it runs flawless!

[@computerkid1416]

For 1.01, you probably could have used the "subst" command to map the install files as the A drive.

[@robsquared2]

I used to set everything to black on windows 95 pcs in high school. I'm sure the next person to sit at that computer, and the teacher, hated me.

[@FrancescoRosi27]

Michael how dare you change the SD card name to Never Gonna Give You Up's video ID (yes I have it memorized)

[@drgusman]

You can solve the problem with the drive letter using SUBST a: c:\(path to the disk content)

[@piousminion7822]

I once backdoored into my friend's Windows ME machine and set ALL colors to white. Doesn't matter what you managed to open, you saw nothing. :P

[@yjk_music]

31:25 Michael: Points at "No" and clicks it Windows: Clicks "Yes"

[@wildestrapier1196]

NOte how Michael rickrolled us with the folder name at the top of the window in 4:59

[@dipflipdf]

actually the physical keyboard for the ds is a bluetooth keyboard, like you can connect it to your phone and stuff. since the ds dosent have bluetooh, the cartridge the keyboard was used for had a special bluetooth chip built in. unless your flash cartridge has one of those chips, and somehow the software you used to boot windows supports it, then youre out of luck for a physical keyboard

[@canlelola]

Ahhhhh, Learn With Pokémon: Typing Adventure, was also released in the EU and Australia.

[@-GameHacKeR-]

16:15 well 1.0 real mode was tested as playable earlier in the video, I wonder if there is a setting in the ini file that would help you get 1.0 installed EDIT: 17:18 never mind that's how they did it probably XD

[@TheElectroclassic]

Michael WHYYYYYYYYY LMAO, this is a train wreck, and I love it.

[@buzz.lightsnack.2007-]

I've heard that it was possible to run Android inside a 3DS, never knew it was possible to run Windows even on an older console.

[@MikeSharpeWriter]

As a Owner of the Pokémon Typing Adventure game, there is NO GBA slot accessory. The DS cart the game came on was a unique that it had a Bluetooth chip inside of it. There are many videos showing game play on the 3DS or DSi which had no GBA port to use. (Both the DSi and 3DS where already out by the time Pokémon Typing Adventure was released.)

[@BetterCallBigShotAutos]

The whole time he was talking about how 1.01 didn't work I was chanting "SUBST! SUBST! SUBST!" Great video!

[@STICKOMEDIA]

This is actually amazing

[@HoLDoN4Sec]

Michael i think if you're planning on making more DS content you should get a DSI XL/DSI LL, these cost just 5-7$ and have a much bigger display that can help you with cam recording (and make stuff like this more usable on the DS)

[@tabbycat8647]

19:48 I swear in the future someone will make a remix of that.

[@DaxtonAnderson]

I wanna see Win95 on a DSi 👀 that 20mhz mode with 16MB of ram should be juuuuuuuust enough

[@WilburJaywright]

MJD speaks sadly, “I’m sorry, fellas, Windows XP didn’t make it. I don’t think Windows will be on the DS.“ As Mario and Luigi walk away in lament, they hear a sound behind them. They stop, and all three men turn around. Suddenly, emerging from the dirt is a RAM-stained hand grasping a battered but still intact DOS. Another hand emerges, and then the platinum blonde hair we all know (ignore the fact that Cortana didn’t arrive until windows 10 please), then finally, the red green blue and yellow coat of arms laid upon the lady herself. She is hesitant, and bent over from the small screen resolution, but she stands: Windows 3.0 stands alive on the Nintendo DS!

[@Sheepish16]

i love your folder name at 4:37

[@Drag0nmaster]

I remember playing on the wii, the homebrew music jammed so hard, and i had so many games i played ion there that wasn't made for the wii

[@UKSCIENCEORG]

Isn't using a Mac, when you went to visit the location of the WinXP Bliss desktop image like cheating on a girlfriend?

[@dinkarfowkar999]

Yea

[@Sorro]

12:21 as someone who has that game, i can say that there was no adapter for the gba slot. The keyboard connected to the ds by normal wireless connection in-game, with no extra adapters

[@KlingonCaptain]

I've been waiting for this video for about four years...

[@NatetheNintendofan]

I get so excited when I see a new mjd video

[@ananmuadi31]

Did you switch to Mac OS? Anyways, your videos are awesome

[@hri7566]

i'm so happy to see linode sponsors

[@assiahkeni2826]

Happy 250K!

[@JulianR2JG]

0:14 Didn't know MJD was a fan of Scott The Woz too. That's nice!

[@DJGioGio]

Imagine installing windows 1 to 7 on the 3ds

[@Storster]

ooo I may have to try this on the DS I recently got

[@7heGaming]

5:08 We aren’t gonna talk about how the text near the arrows at the top is the Rickroll ID

[@UrkiMimi]

I guess this is becoming Computer Clan since Linode is sponsoring you

[@TheExpertKid06]

Well, now I know what my next computer is gonna be!

[@-tylerrodgers-]

Lol

[@LelandHasGames]

I was waiting for this.

[@itskdog]

It took me 9 minutes to notice the SD Card's name. Good job.

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

Heck yeah! Played Duke Nukem 2 SO MUCH on my DS with DSx86, I once even managed to install windows 1.0 under DSx86 any newer and it didn't work. I always wanted a SuperCard DSTwo but sadly the flashcart was never sold here.

[@gtvs3737]

This is honestly important, has lots of possibility for enterprise users of Nintendo ds

[@juances]

Setting text and background to same color is like ultra privacy mode.

[@PrKo]

Another great vid from the legend himself

[@ilonachan]

I knew that Linux runs on the DS (not a surprise really, linux runs on ANYTHING) but not that DOS would. Pretty cool stuff!

[@TheMasterOfSafari]

Congrats on the MacBook Pro! Is it one of the ARM versions?

[@MichaelMJD]

Yes it is!

[@TheMasterOfSafari]

@@MichaelMJD nice! I really hope that these Apple ARM chips entices manufacturers to make ARM based laptops for better efficiency & battery life! :)

[@LiamLG_Official]

I think you have to extract the 5 images to the root of the card. Copy the files on the card to a folder on your computer so you can get rid of the setup files when you’re done. Keep the R4 kernel, DSx86, and the DSx86 components available on the card and then extract the 5 images. If it really requires drive A then possibly use a different emulator like PCem to do the install and use OSFMount to mount the hdd file.

[@chinuochinu2070]

I heard about emulation of Nintendo games on Windows. But never thought about the reverse. We have the MJD REVERSE CARD in action.

[@Headshotnoby]

you don't need to restart on the "unsupported int 2f call" error. you can press B to get off it like nothing happened

[@MichaelMJD]

Yeah that’s what I did, it was just cut from the video.

[@gatto_furry]

6:22 hah! I love the rickroll url sd card name!

[@AtanoKSi]

Personally, when I bought my nintendo ds and some flash cards, that was a great time, but it's now years later that I learn that there will probably never be a homebrew comunity like nintendo DS's one

[@Biaanca5036]

Wouldn't it make more sense to use a MIPS version of windows and ARMulate it, or is it really that much easier to just crudely emulate the x86 versions?

[@stevenharbinger2427]

Nobody tell me, a monotone makes you boring. If you're boring. You're boring. Your voice has nothing to do with it. A monotone that's excited is comforting. A monotone that's stressful is boring.

[@ChristianFS1]

Great idea! Seeing as the DSi has more powerful internals than the regular DS and DS Lite (more ram and faster clock speed), could it possibly run Windows 95?

[@johnny-becker]

While the concept of having a mobile pocket sized Windows PC is nice, Windows of any version (except for Windows Mobile) was designed for a 12 inch or larger screen. Screens such as this would be better for mobile operating systems such as Android

[@somecuntxxx]

Wow somebody actually did it. They freaking did it. I have the new desktop cartridge now.

[@jamesdriver0317]

Since when did you use a Mac? I’ve always seen you use Windows for your videos. I mean, I’ve seen Mac videos, but usually you use Windows for these videos

[@SarthakDoesMidisAndWindowsAndY]

4:40 bro really thought he could rickroll us 💀💀💀

[@cloudcroissant6558]

5:02 the folder name is the ending to the url for never gonna give you up