PING STOCK SHAFT TEST - Using G425 LST Driver

[@windmillcancersurvivor2568]

Alta shaft made a believer out of me. Thank you Ping engineers.

[@b3g699]

Solid review. I ordered the 425 in the Tensei shaft a couple weeks ago and was pleased to see how it faired in your hands. Well done as always.

[@JohnnyDSR]

I am leaning to the Tensei Orange as well.... Check their website for the specs on the flex / gram and how Ping classifies the launch. Very interesting. I plan to get fitted on a monitor just to be sure. I suspect Michaels CB was a bit heavier than he realized. His numbers make sense with his swing speed at around 65 gm not 55 gm. :)

[@Aynsleyt343]

I too ordered a G425 (Max) with the Tensei. 'Tried the CK orange in a G410 at the end of December and it felt great. The Alta feels stiffer to me, and I had the Tour 65 in my G400 LST and... well, that was NOT the combination for me.

[@Tom-ok2rh]

@@Aynsleyt343 I just swapped shafts in my G425 LST from the Ping tour 65 to the Tensei Orange. I was too having trouble getting the ball up on the right height. Glad to see even in this test he had the same problem. Can’t wait to give the Orange a try I’m sure I’ll like it.

[@qabanisolupafya3681]

Great video. Very informative and cleared up some questions about G425 shafts. Going to be gaming the G425 Max 9 degrees for 2021.

[@banditbaker1675]

That Mike that was very useful, for everyone who says that the shaft doesn't matter. I was surprised that your numbers were so good with the Alta shaft, it was interesting to see how you reacted to it. It just goes to show how much of a "timing device" the shaft actually is👍

[@stephendibari5010]

WOw surprised to see the Alta CounterBalanced was the best. Lighter weight than the Counter Balanced Tensei Orange could have played a role too. The CB’d shafts seemed to work the best with the Ping driver heads especially the G425 because that head is about 200-205 grams which is the heaviest head in the industry. Awesome display of raw data...Love your format. Been watching and following you for about 3 years now, one of the best YT golf channels out there, along with TXG, Rick Sheils, 2nd Swing Golf, James Robinson and Andrew Ainsworth.. my top 6

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

Thanks Stephen, glad your enjoying 👍

[@stephendibari5010]

@@MichaelNewtonGolf Been following you on IG too, seen your yard projects and interior renovations ! Beautiful family too ! Thanks for all your YT videos, they truly are amazing and always look forward to all your golf club tests and head to heads. I’m recovering from shoulder surgery in December 2019 and haven’t played a round of golf since September 2019 so your channel keeps me as close to the golf course as possible here in New York !

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

Ah thank you. Love New York 👌

[@kennykoalabear]

Sorry to interject and I must watch MN’s video. Thought I’d share info I got from a recent podcast in a John Soldheim interview where he said Ping design their shafts for their heads like the G425. Suppose the heavy heads marry up well with the CB shafts where an 8 gram weight is put into the butt end of the Alta shafts.

[@stephendibari5010]

@@kennykoalabear yes 💯. The G425 is the heaviest head in the industry. So it makes sense to have a Counter balanced shaft to “lighten” up the feel of the club.

[@jimfarrell7196]

The Alta CB was a very pleasant surprise. Looks like a nice option. Great info Mike.

[@AlexNblue]

Great to see this, I play a 55g shaft now and am a big fan.

[@garybrumley3519]

Great review, Michael. This shows the need to be fitted for your shaft and loft to maximize your efforts off the tee. Cheers!

[@parmanduke]

Great video. A shaft that mitigates left side misses is my choice. I love a shaft that favors a fade so kudos to the Aldila Rogue MSI 130. That's the shaft I've had my eyes one and you just confirmed it.

[@jameslawler2011]

Great, great review and very informative. Please do this comparison for all the stock shaft option offerings as new drivers come out, the information is invaluable to us mere mortals. The Alta CB is a real surprise

[@Dan_BCtoAZ]

I’m in the market for a new driver and tested this with the Tour shaft, only, seeing your results I’m going back to try different shafts....thanks!!👍🏻

[@glennpalmer4672]

Great review Michael, I think I would be the lighter shaft and possible senior if they do that shaft, a fitting is a must for me

[@jamesmartin810]

I enjoyed this! Just to say that while still the lightest, the Alta X flex is listed at 64 grams (versus 66g Tensei, 67g Tour, and 71g Rogue)

[@jamo8107]

Thanks Michael, as usual, very good stuff. I’m hearing that of all the recent Ping drivers this one requires more firing/testing to unlock the potential.

[@jamo8107]

“Fitting”

[@als1440]

Been wondering about this for while. Happy you did it. Thanks.

[@robmatthews4680]

Good video...very informative.

[@loutennant99]

Great video thanks. Just got a 425 with CB Slate. Works well for me. May try the tensai as like that shaft.

[@bajamedic]

I got fit into 10.5 lst with the rogue in extra stiff. First new driver since 2003.

[@NorthwindGale]

Using the tour shaft myself in the g400 driver. The gcQuad does tell me that my spin is to low. I do like the balance of the shaft compared to the alta cb, I can't feel the head with the CB.

[@benmonroe_the_1]

This is really helpful, thanks! I just picked up the G425 LST w/the Tour 65 X at Roger Dunn this week. It bombs when struck well, but am thinking of exchanging for the Max in the Tensei AV Orange 65, for better consistency & forgiveness.

[@Noximus03]

Very surprising data from the Alta, wasn't expecting that. Great review, yet again. Can we expect the same type of review with the 2021 Callaway and Taylormade offerings?

[@andrewheather3519]

Have the g410 and have swapped the shafts around from tensi orange and tour s. Find the same thing with tour stiff just don't get the carry but more roll. Thought the alta 55 s was too whippy when tried bit might have to give it another shot..

[@steviewonder2492]

Nice video. Would love to see the same thing for the Cobra RAD

[@nearby9680]

I tried all the shaft options in my 410 fitting a year ago and as a 98 mph swinger, the Alta 55 was the best and most consistent in all metrics. May go back in to see how I react to the lighter shaft 🤔

[@edwardbrown6901]

Great video..nice comparison I like the the first one 55 g..nice fight..

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

Thanks 👍

[@stephencharteries6281]

Great review again mike very interesting. Will u be doing review of epic with stock shafts Cheers

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

Hi Steve, hope your well. Yes, will be doing at some point 👍

[@TheWmac67]

Good video. TXG just did one on lighter shafts as well. Michael the light one did best on all metrics so why wouldn't you game it? I think I need to rethink my 75g Ping tour shaft.

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

As I mentioned in the video the feel for me is an important factor also.

[@Josh16M1993]

I was just fit into a shaft that's X stiff 55G Last year I was fit into a 72G Stiff big difference

[@mitchlowbridge3979]

Hi Michael, would The Ping Tour 65g have performed better if you added a little loft? What about if it was a stiff rather than an X flex? Just interested to know.

[@Somewheredownintexas]

Great content!

[@petergeraghty9563]

The Alta CB is 64g in x stiff even though it says 55 on the shaft Michael👍

[@7417cd]

Really enjoyed the video. Can you do some more shaft comparison videos. Would love to see iron shaft comparisons. Eg DG vs Project X vs KBS vs Nippon. Thanks Chris

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

Sure thing!

[@jerrygore8231]

Interesting review Michael. I.was surprised that the CB 55 performed so well in your hands, at your speed. As a senior with 85/90 mph I may try the Distanza also. Thanks.

[@kylechwatt3092]

Great video. I ordered the G425 9 degree Max with the Tensei 65g X -- happy to see the comparison. I've hit the 55g Alta and the 70g Rogue White. The Alta was launching a bit high for my liking due to the lightweight shaft and the Rogue White was a tad stiff for me. SS: 112-114, Ball Speed: 162-168. Hitting the Max with the weight in draw setting, what's everyone else's set ups looking like?

[@kylechwatt3092]

I was very impressed with the 55g Alta considering how light it was -- really a nice gaming shaft.

[@SlicedBreadGolf]

Hey matey! Going through some tough times pal and would love for you too check out my KZbin, really putting all my effort into it! Legend

[@starks1974]

I have the 410Max with the tour shaft, stiff flex, and I hit it very high and straight. It was the only shaft where the dispersion was minimal and consistent distance. However, I do a very tight grip so it played well with that. I'm probably losing some yardage but would rather have a higher percentage being in the fairway consistently.

[@ceegold2583]

Can you do same video with Callaway Epic 2021. Btw videos getting better and better. Great quality

[@briantrace9945]

Michael, great content and review. I've never tried anything other than off-the-shelf products so I'm looking forward to the opportunity to explore shaft performance differences and see what each option has to offer in terms of feel, strike point, flight profile, workability etc for the unknown speed that I have. Quite a journey to come and a lot of learning to follow. I look forward to my first fitting experience once lockdown restrictions ease.

[@JohnnyDSR]

Maybe their G450 MAX model will flatten and smooth out the "turbulators" by >80% given they are 100% gone in their 2021 awesome Fairways!. Just that subtle legacy If they did that, and improved the acoustics in the next gen, it would "tick all the boxes" as my UK friends say. Gaming the G410+ and love it!! I really feel the 425 looks better than the G420. Losing the "color" is a plus IMHO. Callaway could take a lesson ! Thanks Michael !!

[@Gatorgolfusa]

I currently game the Ping 410 plus with the Alta red 55 regular but I'm curious to try a few different shafts this winter and possibly find a better shaft for me!🐊🏌️‍♂️🚩🇺🇸🦅👍

[@brucekennedy9728]

Michael, just found your video and really enjoyed it. Can you possibly expand on the PING Alta CB 55 Slate with regular versus soft regular stiffness. I am currently hitting a G425 SFT (hosel set at +1) with a PING Alta CB 55 Slate regular stiffness. I do not feel I am getting the distance I should (I have a slow (85-90 club head speed due to limited mobility), and only reach 190-210 yards including the roll(s) (which is only 10-15 yards) further than my 1993 Big Bertha Warbird. I hit fairways about 65-70% of time, but lose strokes per round due to short drives off the tee. I am trying to use Toptracer on the range to measure differences in the various hosel adjustments. Thank you.

[@midlifebiker7424]

Is the head 10.5? Whats your distance with 3 wood and are you consistantly hitting the sweet spot on your driver as that makes heaps of difference. I suggest experimenting using a launch monitor. Attach angles, swing path, spin rates etc..

[@geobots65]

Thank You

[@stevenharris5662]

Great vlog Michael, I’m waiting for this lockdown to go so l can get properly fitted for my ping G410.l think the shaft is to long, if you shorten the shaft does it affect how the shaft performs at all ie kick points, thanks

[@jeaniewolfe6693]

Hi Steven, do you mind me asking which country you are in and how ling you have been locked down for?

[@stevenharris5662]

@@jeaniewolfe6693 Hi all, I’m in England, we have been in some sort of tiered lockdown for nearly a year, we have been allowed to play golf, mainly 2 balls, but no golf at the moment since Xmas

[@SteveSmith-wv8ug]

Would like to have seen that senior shaft, too bad not available for the comparison.

[@scottmorley9173]

Any chance of doing the same thing with the max head?

[@awp7662]

Nice stock options there! Do you intend on upgrading to the g425 Michael? Would be interested to see your numbers with an upgrade shaft, possibly the speeder evo you have in the g400⛳🏌️👍🏼

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

Me too!

[@James_Vaughn]

Good results. That Alta 55x is interesting. Is it actually 55 grams, or closer to 60?

[@James_Vaughn]

Nevermind, I looked up the specs and it's 64 grams in x flex. I guess the back weighting is doing a lot here. I still want to try it out.

[@cryptoking8060]

Been considering moving into Ping and wanted to see demos of the Alta CB 55. Impressive actually since it wasn't the right setup for you and still performed very well. Anyone here know if it's similar to the Ventus Red 50 R? Been trying to find comparisons and then go hit a few.

[@MikeCalloway]

It’s comparable to Ventus Blue

[@rawsick]

Michael I have my 3 wood and 5 wood in the 75gram stiff ping tour, but I ain’t very strong I’m only 160 lbs maybe swing the clubs around 100-105 mph do you think I may have the wrong shafts?

[@chucklucas8747]

My son bought the 410 ping with the tensi shaft he bombs it

[@jpbackhouse]

Didnt you also have great results with the B21 in a lighter RCH shaft? Maybe you need to do a Crossfield deiver build for yourself :)

[@andygorman5122]

Please help got ping g400max 10.5 aldila xtorsion stiff shaft not fitted, normally hit it well, but will a g425max and a shaft fitted to me make a big diffrence

[@elliotgardiner5949]

Always had a question what plays more difference shaft or loft. If i had a low launch low spin shaft in like 10.5 degree loft. How would compare to mid launch mid spin at 9 degree loft. I have mid launch/spin shaft even flow blue in rogue i have down to 8 degrees. How would lower spinning shaft at 9 affect my drives or would work out to same.

[@pegteam1714]

Great review and very informative. Not a lover of the sound of the G425 at impact a proper tin can sound.

[@aartvdmolen]

Please also do the same for the G425 Max 10.5˚ :)

[@CSqrdX]

Why? He doesn't play a 10.5 head. Launch will increase a bit but he'll also spin it above 3k and lose ball speed. This test is not representative of all golfers but more specifically how he reacts to the various standard Ping shaft offerings.

[@JohnnyDSR]

​@@CSqrdX I agree with you. It would be great if Mike could have a mate with a lower swing speed do the same test especially since swing speed does influence shaft performance. The majority of golfers ( especially senior males >60 ) are closer to LPGA swing speeds if they are on top of their game. Just being honest the data doesn't lie! There are plenty of PGA and LPGA swing speed charts on line.

[@tpz5900]

Odd you felt the Tensei Orange was heavier considering it's a counterbalanced shaft.

[@banditbaker1675]

I've noticed that Mike tends to "feel" the weight of the shaft in his hands and as that shaft is counterbalanced it does have slightly more weight in the upper section.

[@tpz5900]

@@banditbaker1675 I have swung this shaft, and I own 3 CB shafts right now. The balance point is different in every one. Some don't feel counterbalanced at all, and some feel like wiffle ball bats. I found the Orange to be pretty noticeable. Granted I never hit it in a Ping but they are some of the heaviest heads in the game so I figured it would be noticeable. Everyone feels different.

[@JohnnyDSR]

Hi Michael, I am a bit confused on the shaft weight and X-Flex you mention in the vid regarding the Alta CB shaft. I see it says 55g on the Alta CB shaft X-Stiff early in the video however, according to the chart on the Ping website, the X Stiff Alta CB is 64 grams! I understand the torque is different and tipping but how confusing to show it as 55g on the shaft itself but 65g on their website specs? The 55gm Alta CB is their is their Soft-Regular (A) according to their website! Go figure! A word to the wise... u better get fitted before u part with your Euro / Dollars in this price range! :)

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

All shafts have a weight that’s printed on the shaft but that weight will change depending on the flex. Basically to make it stiffer the wall thickness of the shaft increases hence the extra weight for the X.

[@JohnnyDSR]

@@MichaelNewtonGolf Thanks Michael... that makes sense. Just thought I heard you referring to the shaft as lighter than it actually is in reality. X-Stiff should be heavier as you indicate. Tnx !

[@jameskane391]

Test should be with G425 Max for more consistency, especially with respect to dispersion. You tend to have difficulty with dispersion in your driver resting.

[@ronniejohnson383]

Why does your carry adjust itself? The graph indicates 250-260, but after a quick pause or glitch it jumps up 20 more yards of carry.

[@ww-oo7ic]

I love these tests. do you think you swung the 70X slower because it was a bit later in the test or do you think maybe the heavier shaft slowed you down? I see a lot of comments on the CB being best but I actually like the launch and flight conditions better with the 70X. better launch, better height, better descent angle.

[@kylechwatt3092]

Update - I ordered the Ping G425 Max on January 28th (1 week before the official launch date). Got an update that my Mitsubishi Tensei AV Raw Orange X 65g Shaft won't be in for another 14 weeks. Very upset, I've been demo-ing the Titleist TSI2 w the Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 70g X Shaft and honestly thinking about just buying that. I love the shaft but I think I still like the Ping club more. Very unsure of what to do. Has anyone else seen a delay like this?

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

Yes that delay is correct unfortunately! Going to be plenty more where that came from across most brands once golf re opens and the demand goes through the roof!

[@michaelportbury3411]

Reviewing just stiff shafts seems to be a bit shallow,a broader review across the range for all types would of been of greater interest. I realise this can be hard when you just prefer stiff shafts ,and to get a better accurate view of shafts you would need golfers with different swing speeds to compare.

[@markking3779]

👍👍👍

[@FF04RDF]

Again, why having the chance to try different options is important and I think not to have preconceived ideas about what you should be using because of swing speed.... lighter shaft for you performed the best at 112mph !

[@MichaelNewtonGolf]

👍

[@rufussthoo4083]

Would like to the outcomes with a std head compared to the low spin version. The combination of the LST head and 2 tip-stiff shafts didn't seem to work very well for you.

[@roytuxford7399]

Hi Michael, great informative review but I’m a little confused. Ping’s website states the Tensei Orange 65 is an aftermarket shaft. They also have the Tensei Orange 55 on the website - I would think that would be too lite for my swing speed and the Tour at 70gm fa4 too heavy. Other videos also suggest the 65gn is a stock shaft p. Have Ping confused the two Tensei shafts on their web page?

[@mrjamesyboi3960]

Could you possibly make it really SIMPLE ?! WHAT Shaft for a 1 to 6 Handicapper ; a 6 to12 H'Capper - a 12 to 18 Handicapper and a 18 to 24 H'capper - just based on Handicap alone - & not taking into consideration physical shape/fast/slow swing etc Thanks & Appreciate yr response

[@adambarnes4191]

Not to be a dick but that's the WORST way to suggest shafts. HC has nothing to do with shafts.

[@bigbizzle2734]

Tour 65g X stiff allll day

[@HaroldHermes-w6g]

Not good bro.

[@quakecon2009]

sounds crap :(

[@ProfessorSteez]

Sounds way better in person! Better than Sim2, but maybe not as nice as TSi or Callaway drivers

[@quakecon2009]

@@ProfessorSteez I now own one :)