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@davidcroft95
@davidcroft95 2 жыл бұрын
We hope that one day you will demonstrate to us the "dominated convergence" theorem in order to swap integral and summation XD
@darkmask4767
@darkmask4767 2 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see a connection between that integral and the sum of the alternating inverse squares. In particular, π²/12 = η(2), where η is the Dirichlet eta function.
@mathematicsmi
@mathematicsmi 2 жыл бұрын
I solved this integral last week.. I solved by using another method.. this is also nice way.
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 2 жыл бұрын
17:47 OK, let’s get this done. But first, tell yourself loudly “No negative thoughts are allowed in my brain”! Have a great day.
@rage9484
@rage9484 2 жыл бұрын
There can't be no negative thoughts when you doing maths, the most depressing shit ever.
@MathSolvingChannel
@MathSolvingChannel 2 жыл бұрын
I make a video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3TIqGtoZrOYo5Y) to solve this problem by contour integral, take the "key-hole contour". Integrals vanish on the inner circle and outer circle, and then take the four residues at z1=1/2+sqrt(3)/2i , z2=-1/2+sqrt(3)/2i, z3=-1/2-sqrt(3)/2i, z4=1/2-sqrt(3)/2i. It is done!
@gregsarnecki7581
@gregsarnecki7581 2 жыл бұрын
5:18 BPRP = he who shall not be named!
@reneszeywerth8352
@reneszeywerth8352 2 жыл бұрын
I was too lazy or stupid to get this actually done but wouldn't a more straightforward way of solving the integral be using the residue theorem?
@MichaelPennMath
@MichaelPennMath 2 жыл бұрын
I have been staying away from complex analytic methods to this point. This will change next semester after I add some videos about such methods.
@mathematicsmi
@mathematicsmi 2 жыл бұрын
I solved and published this integral last week on my channel by using digamma function.. Micheal’ s solution is also nice.
@vascomanteigas9433
@vascomanteigas9433 2 жыл бұрын
You need to evaluate four residues of (log(x))^2/(1+x^2+x^4) that are the Four complex Roots of 1+x^2+x^4=0, which are +-(1/2)+-sqrt(3)*i/2. The keyhole contour integral Will give (log(x))^2-(log(x)+2*pi*i)^2 = -4*pi*i*log(x)+4*pi^2. If you done correctly the sum of residues, it Will give pi^2/6-i*pi^2/sqrt(3), thus the contour are 2*pi*i(pi^2/6-i*pi^2/sqrt(3))= pi^3*i/3+2*pi^3/sqrt(3). Equal the real and imaginary parts, and should give integral(log(x)/(1+x^2+x^4),x,0,inf)=-pi^2/12, and an extra integral(1/(1+x^2+x^4),x,0,inf)=pi/(2*sqrt(3)).
@SuperSilver316
@SuperSilver316 2 жыл бұрын
residue theorem and some manipulation of the keyhole contour that has a branch point on the negative x-axis, rounds nicely into 4*pi*i*(Integral) = 2*pi*i*(-pi^2/6) A little quick algebra gives the solution pretty quickly.
@MathSolvingChannel
@MathSolvingChannel 2 жыл бұрын
I make a video on the contour integral method to solve this problem. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3TIqGtoZrOYo5Y
@mathflipped
@mathflipped 2 жыл бұрын
666 views as I am currently watching this.
@amirb715
@amirb715 2 жыл бұрын
using complex variables and Cauchy method leads to a nice and very concise solution. only two poles in the upper half space.
@sandorszabo2470
@sandorszabo2470 2 жыл бұрын
And a very short calculation.
@benardolivier6624
@benardolivier6624 Жыл бұрын
Funnily if you remove the x^4 in the denominator, applying the first tool shows that the resulting integral is equal to it's negative and therefore it's zero.
@Nickle314
@Nickle314 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that wolfram stuggles with this.
@vascomanteigas9433
@vascomanteigas9433 2 жыл бұрын
Maxima solves quickly. This integral can bem solve by Residue Theorem with a keyhole contour integral, and this why Maxima made it.
@loonycooney22
@loonycooney22 2 жыл бұрын
@@vascomanteigas9433 Oooh, I'd like to see that.
@MathSolvingChannel
@MathSolvingChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Wolfram Mathematica can solve it, just confirmed!
@The1RandomFool
@The1RandomFool 2 жыл бұрын
@@vascomanteigas9433 You can do it easier with a half-circle around the upper half plane, with the branch cut down the negative imaginary axis. I did it on my board.
@manucitomx
@manucitomx 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, professor. That was indeed a great problem.
@SaidVSMath
@SaidVSMath 2 жыл бұрын
That was awesome! When the geometric series got brought up I was like wait how is this gonna help lol
@nogaromo6692
@nogaromo6692 2 жыл бұрын
We can evaluate this integral using complex analysis: consider we have f(z)=ln(z)/(1+z^2+z^4). Since 1+z^2+z^4 is even, we can choose upper semicircle as our integration contour. The branchcut is (0;+inf). I_c is a counter integral, I_+ is integral of f(x) from 0 to inf, I_- is integral of f(-x) from -inf to 0 and I_R is integral of semicircle. So, I_c=(I_+)+(I_-)+I_R ln(-x)=ln(x)+i*pi. Hence, (I_+)+(I_-)=2*(I_+)+i*pi*integral of 1/(1+x^2+x^4) from 0 to inf Obviously I_R->0 as R->inf I_c=2*pi*i*sum of residues in the upper part of complex plane After finding the residues, we can just take real part of the equation and then find I Calculation of residues is easy for f(z) because they are just 1st order poles
@OwlRTA
@OwlRTA 2 жыл бұрын
neat, this integral is equal to the sum of all natural numbers multiplied by pi squared! /s
@Muzrikulandulajevon
@Muzrikulandulajevon 2 жыл бұрын
zeta(-1)*pi^2
@SlidellRobotics
@SlidellRobotics 2 жыл бұрын
At 14:18, the three sums can easily be replaced with two sums, one with the exponent of x being 2n, the other being 6n+2, simplifying the next step.
@運慶-w3s
@運慶-w3s 2 жыл бұрын
Mathematica can calcurate this integral, so there might be some routine method. Anyway thanks for your exciting method.
@soranuareane
@soranuareane 2 жыл бұрын
Tabular integration! I derived that when I was a second-year college student to expand the integral of f(x)g(x) where f(x) is a polynomial. I felt so smart, even though the result is painfully obvious to anyone who's completed an integral calculus course.
@sslelgamal5206
@sslelgamal5206 2 жыл бұрын
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@ibazulic
@ibazulic 2 жыл бұрын
I don't get it. (1+x^2+x^4)=x^2(1/x^2+1+x^2) Isn't it? If I pull out x^4 immediately, then I get what is written on the board when the 2nd integral is rewritten.
@pierre-henrilebrun36
@pierre-henrilebrun36 2 жыл бұрын
Where did the first term of the sum(1/(2n+1), 0 to infinity) for n=0 go ? I didn’t catch that part
@zeravam
@zeravam 2 жыл бұрын
I can`t see it either. I need an explaination
@musik350
@musik350 2 жыл бұрын
Michael didn't explicitly mention it, but he did combine the two sums into one in the last line (-1 + 1/3 = -2/3)
@zeravam
@zeravam 2 жыл бұрын
@@musik350 Sorry, I still can`t see it. I see 1/3 but not -1
@musik350
@musik350 2 жыл бұрын
@@zeravam The expression is of the form -S + 1/3S
@integral-magic6061
@integral-magic6061 2 жыл бұрын
Hello sir, sir can help me please ! Find int sin(x^2)cos(x^3)/(4ln^2(cosx)+1) from x=-inf to inf
@willyh.r.1216
@willyh.r.1216 2 жыл бұрын
Great one, keep it up Michael!!!
@profesorleonardo1645
@profesorleonardo1645 2 жыл бұрын
At 5:25 I don't understand why you don't say who uses D I method...
@SuperSilver316
@SuperSilver316 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah went with Residue Theorem as soon as I saw the thumbnail, cool that Micheal went in a different direction.
@MCdouchbag
@MCdouchbag 2 жыл бұрын
I could feel the energy in that last . //
@FootyFlicksEdits
@FootyFlicksEdits 2 жыл бұрын
Why did I get this recommended i am too dumb for this video
@atomicgeneral
@atomicgeneral 2 жыл бұрын
Why not mention the name of the "other youtuber"?
@MultiWiskid
@MultiWiskid 2 жыл бұрын
Great! Good place to look forward to tomorrow's video!
@doctorb9264
@doctorb9264 10 ай бұрын
The magic of Mathematics.
@Cr3pit0
@Cr3pit0 2 жыл бұрын
As per usual, the Ways of the KZbin Algorithm are inscrutable. Alright i try to follow :D Edit: Welp, i failed. Holy F*** thats complicated.
@jhonatanandres4148
@jhonatanandres4148 2 жыл бұрын
referring to 17:07 , the summation from n=0 to n= infinity of 3/(6n+3)^2 is basically 3 times the summation on the left-hand side (both are the summation of the inverses of squared odd numbers).So if you don't do the factorization it gives a different result ( specifically pi^2 / 4). Why does that happen?
@sushildevkota350
@sushildevkota350 2 жыл бұрын
i have also done by taking 8 hours😂 , solution came same to michael penn, also process is quite simiar. He used this summation technique in previous questions so i assumed that technique may be useful to this question also and tried and found out true. i used main technique that is, reducing denominator to numerator. I came to final summation value but i forgot that sum of reciprocal of squares of odd numbers=>pi^2/8.
@bollyfan1330
@bollyfan1330 2 жыл бұрын
Can you explain how going from the original problem, how could one construct this complicated sequence of permutations to get to the answer?
@조현빈-s6f
@조현빈-s6f 2 жыл бұрын
i holic to this video XD
@s.sahana7721
@s.sahana7721 2 жыл бұрын
jee 2022 aspirant here ig this q is from arihant integral calculus
@kh.h.3561
@kh.h.3561 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice 👏👏👏
@slavinojunepri7648
@slavinojunepri7648 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic
@marshallnoel2045
@marshallnoel2045 2 жыл бұрын
Wow wow wow
@inigovera-fajardousategui3246
@inigovera-fajardousategui3246 2 жыл бұрын
Nice one
@janami-dharmam
@janami-dharmam 2 жыл бұрын
Great!
@MarcusCactus
@MarcusCactus 2 жыл бұрын
One of your best, really. Thank you!
@gregsarnecki7581
@gregsarnecki7581 2 жыл бұрын
At 4:25 I think you mean x=1, y=0.
@ДенисЛогвинов-з6е
@ДенисЛогвинов-з6е 2 жыл бұрын
14:04 Could anyone explain to me why is it okay to switch like that integral and sum?
@Daniel-vu7pi
@Daniel-vu7pi 2 жыл бұрын
It's usually okay to do as long as the expressions are convergent/finite
@sya8109
@sya8109 2 жыл бұрын
Integration by parts?
@ryderpham5464
@ryderpham5464 2 жыл бұрын
How does one find the motivation for the tools on the LHS (or even the knowledge that these tools even exist in the first place)?
@ConManAU
@ConManAU 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of it comes from familiarity - the more problems you do, the more you’ll see certain things coming up and you can formalise them in your toolkit. And sometimes you’ll be playing around with a problem and you’ll realise that you can generalise something to use it elsewhere.
@poundcayx
@poundcayx 2 жыл бұрын
Quick question. At around 16:25 if all three of those summations represent the reciprocal of the odd integers squared, why do they all collapse into the same sum? Why wouldn't it be 3 times that sum?
@pjmmccann
@pjmmccann 2 жыл бұрын
Each reciprocal of an odd number can be written in exactly one of the three available forms (1/(6n+5), 1/(6n+3) or 1/(6n+1)) so together the sums exhaust all the odd reciprocals.
@poundcayx
@poundcayx 2 жыл бұрын
@@pjmmccann Ohhhh of course. Thank you!
@Mephisto707
@Mephisto707 2 жыл бұрын
9:41: do those 2 integrals at the right side of the equation each produce "nice" values (in terms of pi, e, etc) or just some random irrational values that when summed happen to produce the final answer to the problem?
@DeadJDona
@DeadJDona 2 жыл бұрын
yess
@TheHarryMateuszYT
@TheHarryMateuszYT 2 жыл бұрын
No, The first part (from 0 to 1) is equal to Sum n=0 to n=inf 1/(6n+3)^2-1/(6n+1)^2 The second part (from 1 to inf) Sum n=0 to n=inf 1/(6n+3)^2-1/(6n+5)^2 Even though the first object 1/(6n+3)^2 is easy to solve (as showed on the film) the second objects in both case are not solvable without digamma function (according to Wolframalpha), but when we have integral from 0 to inf, they combined creates this sum of all odd reciprocals (as showed on the film)
@Mephisto707
@Mephisto707 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHarryMateuszYT Thanks! The result for the second object in both cases is actually dependant not on the Digamma function, but on the Trigamma function!
@Mephisto707
@Mephisto707 2 жыл бұрын
I dug deeper and found the result for summation (n=0 to inf) 1/(6n+1)^2 is 2*pi^2 + 10*sqrt(3)*Cl2(pi/3), where Cl2 is the Clausen function of order 2, which is closely related to the Trigamma function.
@idjles
@idjles 2 жыл бұрын
14:10 but that’s ok in this case.
@AmericanSavingsHub
@AmericanSavingsHub 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation
@cbarnett1814
@cbarnett1814 2 жыл бұрын
👍🏼🎉🤨🤔😲🤯
@Bartek_Mrysz
@Bartek_Mrysz 2 жыл бұрын
good stuff
@沈栋-w9h
@沈栋-w9h 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@alainbarnier1995
@alainbarnier1995 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic !!
@stefanolaffranchi1210
@stefanolaffranchi1210 2 жыл бұрын
Meraviglioso
@Mathcambo
@Mathcambo 2 жыл бұрын
Are you ok ?
@mariochavez3834
@mariochavez3834 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, thanks for asking :)
@The1RandomFool
@The1RandomFool 2 жыл бұрын
This is a rather interesting method with no factoring, partial fraction decomposition, or use of roots of the polynomial.
@radadadadee
@radadadadee 2 жыл бұрын
fraction decomposition is the first thing I thought of doing
@CM63_France
@CM63_France 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, 0:15 , 0:33 , 0:43 : "dx" 0:38 : -"over"- , "of" instead 0:40 : -"times"- , "over" instead 4:24 : -x- , y instead For fun: 1:39 , 2:12 , 12:08 , 16:05 , 16:45 : "ok, nice" (Côte d'azur), 17:50 : would have been a better place to stop, to avoid being hidden by the splash screens.
@michuosas
@michuosas 2 жыл бұрын
I don't really like this format, with tools that are proven before the solution. It focuses too much on the apriori knowledge, properties that one should possess and leaves out the intuition behind the problem.
@nathanisbored
@nathanisbored 2 жыл бұрын
i like both the elegant solutions and the exploratory ones
@Draddar
@Draddar 2 жыл бұрын
You do need to know some stuff beforehand, at least to know what you are aiming for. Otherwise you can just end up going in circles or worse making the problem more and more complicated. Perhaps the examples here are too specific to just "know", but I don't see the problem proving them ahead of time so they can just be used at appropriate spot, it's a lot cleaner this way.
@bsmith6276
@bsmith6276 2 жыл бұрын
Michael's tendency to provide proofs for his tools prior to tackling the problem is very much like lemmas being proven at the beginning of a larger, more complex proof. That way once Michael gets to the main problem he can keep the flow moving without having to take a detour.
@michuosas
@michuosas 2 жыл бұрын
@@bsmith6276 Maybe it is just a personal preference, but i would sooner have him make occasional detours, rather than have him proove seemingly unrelated lemmas before tackling the problem itself.
@lexyeevee
@lexyeevee 2 жыл бұрын
i suppose it would be interesting to start on the main problem immediately, then when a tool is needed, mention and prove it in its more general form (so we see it in context) before returning to the main problem
a nice integral and an important ignored constant
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what tricks unlock this integral??
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The phantom integral suggester.
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You won't believe all the tricks for this integral!!
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A nice integral.
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Every calculus teacher I know skips this!!
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There is some "complex" stuff happening here...
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A very unfriendly integral problem!
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The Integral Suggester Strikes Back
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I generalized a viewer suggestion!
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A couple of interesting integral formulas.
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So many Calculus tricks in one integral.
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