Michelin Pilot Sport AS4 vs AS3+

[@AlmightyCman]

over 3 years later and still gave me a perfect comparison what a great video!

[@miata1370]

The "tire coating" you mentioned is really a "release compound" that enable the tires to more easily be removed from the tire mold during manufacture.

[@mysteriousguy019]

About time someone made this comparison and feature AS4. Thanks for sharing.

[@markh3478]

Thank you for the video. Got 54K out of the rear 245/40R18 AS3's on my 2014 MB C250 coupe and was really happy with them . Had AS4's installed today which were about $28 more per tire than I could have gotten AS3+ . I figured $28 premium over 50K miles worth a try . Looking at them on the car cant see any real visual difference from the side . Seem to ride and handle well and are quiet as were AS3+. I run 41psi which seems to balance center tread wear well with outer tread wear . I reduced camber a bit with the SPC adjustable camber kit way back when the AS3's were installed . Wore out Conti Contact DWS in 10K miles on inner edge before reducing camber to negative 1 degree for the AS3's. Took out a tiny amount of rear toe , too since toe changes with camber setting . Got 46K out of AS3's on front and replaced with AS3+ since before AS4 was available . I'll stick with Michelin Pilot Sports on the MB .

[@ianleff100]

i recently got AS4 for my tesla model 3 performance but i still watched the whole video. very well done.

[@ethanlau279]

Wow. Amazing video. You are a great speaker and you hit damn near every technical spec of interest. Real world impressions was also nice.

[@christiangandolfo1107]

Have literally been waiting for a review like this for weeks, I too have the A/S 3+ tires needing replaced and been debating getting the new A/S 4 or sticking with the 3+. Thank you for the detailed differences and impressions.

[@FaRKle0079]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Meekmillan]

What'd you end up going with?

[@christiangandolfo1107]

@@Meekmillan the pilot sport 4, very pleased. Performance they are as good as the 3+ if not better. Very sticky tires for all seasons! I will say the 4 is noticeably softer than the 3+ was.

[@HowardOchs]

What a fantastic review, thank you! I lived in San Diego for decades, so am aware of the driving environment in California. I’m now in Maine, of course a drastically different environment. But I too am replacing AS3’s and this was so helpful to me that you compared the two tires. Much of what you tested will translate over the two environments. I do run Blizzaks in winter, although I sometimes get caught in snow with my all seasons. It’s an old WRX, so not a problem there. Gosh, I was so pleased with my AS3’s and I could easily (and legally pass inspection) for a couple more seasons but like with so many tires, they tend to get hard and lose a certain feel at around half life. They are wearing great, still balance well, etc., but I want max pleasure so I’m ordering a new set of the AS4’s as a birthday gift to myself and a 15th birthday present to the old Subie! Thanks again for the timely review and nice BMW! Much too nice for my neck of the woods!

[@joseochoa7043]

@@christiangandolfo1107 Would you consider putting AS4’s on a Toyota Highlander?

[@willcrenshaw2380]

Great video! I will add that I got a great opportunity to test the new AS4’s on my 2015 Lexus IS350 F-Sport AWD. We had 10” of snow dump down a few months back here in Idaho. The car didn’t skip a beat. Even with “snow mode” off, and traction control off, and my tune turned all the way up.... no problems.

[@willcrenshaw2380]

I run a staggered setup, by the way. Not sure how much of a difference it makes. Fronts: 255/35/18 Rears: 275/35/18

[@barnesautodetailing]

Thanks for the review, I'm getting a set of AS4 on Monday. Taking my car to Back of The Dragon soon so we'll see how they do there

[@michaelschneider-]

+1. The A/S 3+ tire has been the 3 season tire of choice for our GTI, 225/45/17, Subi Outback XT (17"), and Audi S3 (17"). I'll look forward to the new and improved A/S 4. . In high country Colorado winter M/S sneakers are a must. Pilot Alpins to the rescue. . Thanks for the A/S tire comparison - nicely produced. . Cheers, subscribed..

[@therealm3]

Great review! Got a good laugh at 680 being your bumpy pothole test road. I hate that section of road. Bent a wheel right there years ago.

[@da73]

I recognize this portion of 680 as well and avoid that lane as much as possible! 🤣

[@chrisl6989]

Yup, got to stay fast in the left lane, otherwise you'll be destroying your car. Surprised they haven't fixed it yet. I suspect this summer they'll be redoing that section.

[@chrisvanek1711]

Thank you for sharing this great and useful review. Like you, I've also changed from the AS3+ to AS4. And I completely agree with your assessment about being much quieter and a comfortable ride. As I was driving home, I noticed the noise level was muted. Its not vastly significant but definitely noticeable. Resulting in a more comfortable ride. Will see how it performs in the next while.

[@redandblack1911]

long term review please?

[@rodpaine7552]

Very good report and road performance info. Currently running AS3+ 245/40/18 on Neuspeed RSe10 on our 2019 RS 3, now with a total 13k miles, 8.5k fast back road runs and very pleased with their performance. Will certainly consider the AS4 in the near future. Keep up the very good reviews and reporting style.

[@rodpaine7552]

UPDATE - Now at 16,350 miles total with 11,540 miles being fast country back road runs. These 245/40/18 AS3+ tires continue to perform extremely well, but now nearing 3/32 tread depth. so will involve the Michelin 4S soon in the same size. They will be used heavily during our summer weather and longer run lengths at speed.

[@jonathanbrand1270]

Great video!! Probably the most through review on tires I've ever watched. Manufacturers need to hire you to do reviews, or keep doing them on many many brands and get sponsors and become the "tire guy". Keep it up! Look forward to more videos. Following!!!

[@TheBrawlmastah]

He's asian

[@lorentzarmstrong3008]

I’m glad I came across your video with this comparison. Until I did, I wasn’t aware on the evolution to PS4 All-season. I own a ‘17 Camaro SS 1LE. Back when I bought it in 2017, I knew that I would need a winter wheel/tire set to get me through Atlanta’s winters. So, I researched tires first choosing the A/S 3+ which I could only get in 19” for my car. This pushed me to buy a second set of wheels (19”) for them. This wasn’t what I initially intended to do but it certainly makes swapping more convenient. Now, the A/S 3+ is available in a larger 19” size (325/30ZR19) which I think will look better on the 11” wide rears I chose to go with (fronts are 10”). Though I went with the widest available at the time (285/35ZR19), they are stretched on the 11’s, a look I’ve never been fond of. Of course, the 325/30’s should fix this appearance. So, yesterday I discovered the A/S 3+ comes in my original OE wheel sizes 😕. Ugh! I wish they had 4 years ago but I was forced into a more convenient option. Now, I see Michelin doesn’t make (yet anyway) this PS4 in the 19” sizes I would need. Here we go again 😕 I will just have to keep checking back with Michelin about every 6 months or so in hopes the size offerings are expanded.

[@lorentzarmstrong3008]

Update! I checked back on the Michelin website and happy and relieved to report size offerings have expanded and are now available in both sizes I currently run for my all-season 19” wheel set: 285/35R19 for front 10” wide rim and 325/30R19 for rear 11” rim. Moreover, for us Camaro SS 1LE and ZL1 owners, these Michelin Pilot Sport All-season 4 tires are available now for both OEM 20” wheel sizes, 10” front and 11” rear rim widths (285/30R20 and 305/30R20). Thanks #michelin!

[@skyraidfpv6753]

I see 680 is still a bumpy ride all these years later from when I used to drive on it lol.

[@fiyahblaze8732]

Getting these installed on my car on Friday. Can't wait! Coming from factory Grand Touring tires, to an UHP all season tire. The difference is gonna be night & day. Great review this is truly a successor to the AS3+.

[@marklappan2817]

Just the video I was hoping to watch! Excellent real road commentary.

[@zipdoa]

You did an excellent job on this comparison. Thanks for all the info.

[@ronl8495]

Great vid! I just had a pair of 275/40/20 A/S 4 tires installed on the front of my 2018 Challenger R/T Scatpack and am so impressed with them that I will be having another pair installed prior to snow season here in Kansas! 😎

[@HimothyJonez]

@Ron L How are they in the rain?

[@HimothyJonez]

How are they in the rain bro? I hear the 275s can be bad in the rain since they are wider. I have a 2016 scat pack challenger and about to purchase new ones.

[@ronl8495]

@@HimothyJonez top notch, better than any other tire I’ve ever had on my Challenger!

[@lluda44]

How are your A/S 4s in the snow?

[@brentevans4430]

Perfect timing for this Post! The Bridgestone DriveGuard tires that came with my 328d have horrible grip when the road is wet! I definitely need to give these tires a try.

[@FaRKle0079]

These will be much better than those run flats!

[@sszhao11]

Got AS4 for the GTI, lower noise and softer than firestone indi500s. For daily it's perfect if you don't track the car. While summer tire is great on track, road noise was terrible and too hard for daily. AS4's Smoother and quieter ride can let you drive faster for highway and have more grip over uneven surfaces

[@edwardrios1154]

I just picked some up for my Gti, definitely better grip over stock tires

[@edwardrios1154]

@@Ayeitsscott well 6 months later, they are alright. I’m tuned stage 2 e85 and they’ll spin in 1 st and 2nd. They grip great for all seasons, I don’t have a comparison with a summer tire, but they are pretty okay. If you want more grip, look elsewhere.

[@edwardrios1154]

@@Ayeitsscott agreed brother, look into the new continental hoosier tires, they look promising

[@mrphotomanTIM]

you have to remember though, you were used to driving on the worn tires so the new ones will seem dramatically quieter. the softer sidewall feel is due to tread squirm compared to the worn tread on the old tires.

[@tedtedness184]

Unless you test the same amount of wear you DON"T have a viable test. PERIOD. This test is basically worthless.

[@michaelschneider-]

@@tedtedness184 ... Easy there Teddy.. The tire comparison wasn't suggesting an empirical test. . User's of Pilot Sport A/S 3+ tires are grateful for this casual tire comparison. . Performance tires are worth every penny.

[@louis0531oogle]

Thank you for all the feedback. I just realized that my wife's Ford Escape AWD vehicle needs to have the same tread depth because of the AWD feature on this SUV. Consequently, since she had tire damage to one of her tires I'm comparing the difference in circumference between the AS3+ and the AS4 before I replace the two rear tires. My tolerance seems to be between 2/32nd and 4/32nd's in tread depth on the set of "like" tires... so, a lot of good food for thought. Thanks again!

[@hollowtian6148]

Wow man, this is a great, detailed comparison and review. Pretty objective as well. Good job. I’m consider AS4 for my 128i as well. Thanks for your information

[@StealthGTI]

That drive reminds me of Hwy 101 on my way to Petaluma. :-) I just had one of my AS3's replaced under Discount Tire's warranty. But that was it. The next time a screw takes out a tire, I'll probably have to replace them all. Thanks for sharing the difference.

[@jusrarsh4109]

Just bought the AS4 after the AS3+, I like the traction feel so far, hopefully they last longer then my old AS3+ tires. Not cheap.

[@heyaisdabomb]

Not cheap, but what, it's like 0.5% the cost of your car? I tried my first set of AS3+ a year ago, and I see why everyone says once you go to the pilot sport series tires, you never go back.

[@Placebo201]

Definitely an expensive product but worth every penny

[@ImportDomestic2006]

Those are the same Michelin pilot sport all season 4’s I have on our Infiniti Q70L and our 2021 Challenger R/T scat pack widebody shaker. Considering that I live on the high Desert here in Albuquerque New Mexico. Temperatures can dip below 28° and can be as high as 98° on a hot summer day. These Michelin tires are truly performing exceptional regardless of the outside temperature. Don’t forget the New C8 Corvette comes in a run flat A.k.a. zero pressure Michelin.

[@gust9464]

Great video. One thing to mention is the 4S is made in Mexico & the 3+ is made in USA 🤷🏽🤔

[@abdullahyaseer4304]

Exactly what I was looking for. I need tires for my 04 LS430 Sport Suspension. I just got new struts and am definitely gonna get these. Thank you.

[@araminrahming8699]

I am in the same debate, thank you for a thorough review and complete testing. Made my decision for me.

[@leveraged6694]

It’s definitely worth spending extra money on a good tire. I bought some cheap tires on tirerack and the drone of the tires was horrible.

[@aaronfrench8322]

And safety…

[@diablo21st]

I just got as4 replaced my as3+. AS4 made in Mexico, AS3+ used to make in USA. AS4 is compatible with ev but not AS3+ AS4 is 12% more expensive.

[@chasberndt2255]

Glad to hear they seem more quiet. My only issue with the AS3+ was the dull roar of road noise, esp at around town speeds of 35-45 mph.

[@marktepper3440]

I have a 2020 GTI and they seem quiet to me. They are great handling tires, absolutely no regrets. So much better than the horrible Bridgestone Potenza tires that came with the car.

[@chasberndt2255]

@@marktepper3440 I had them on a 2017 GTI (sold). They were great tires, just more noisy than the Hankooks the car came with.

[@lluda44]

They are pretty awful in snow, and are noisy, but excellent on everything else.

[@FacelessMachine]

Loved your video! Getting the AS4's put on my '19 Mustang GT tomorrow. Can't wait to try them out!

[@benhaze1010]

Hey how did it go? I am considering the AS4 also for a Mustang GT.

[@FacelessMachine]

@@benhaze1010 So good. Ran me about $1300 for all 4, but they're fire. Great grip around tight turns. I feel super confident if I'm caught in torrential downpour. I'm in NJ and we got no snow at all this past winter, so I can't speak for how they are in snow/ice, but I'd imagine as respectfully good as in rain and tight turns. Smoothe ride but you can still feel the road. Not rock hard for ride like my previous Pirelli's, but not bouncy like you're in a caddie. 😁

[@benhaze1010]

@@FacelessMachine Thank you so much for sharing your experience! I was so disappointed with the AS3+. I was considering the PS4 but for our climate in Quebec that would mean needing 3 sets of wheels/tires to be able to use the Mustang almost year around.

[@FacelessMachine]

@@benhaze1010 I have the all seasons, so you can use them in cold Quebec weather. 😁

[@TRACKMKIII]

Excellent review!! I literally just ordered a set...

[@jeffdurling100]

I have run AS3+ for quite a while on my vehicles and will move to the AS4 when they wear out. One thing, not trying to be critical. To get a proper comparison between ride, noise, and grip the only way to really do it is with a set of new tires with the same wear on them. New tires will typically feel software and quieter just due to there being more tread. As the tread wears down most tires, especially asymmetrical tires, tend to get noiser. None will ever be as bad as Eagle F1's, the worst performance tires I have ever tried, but either way the treads block, as there is less of a water channel, magnify road noise more. I am not trying to dampen your review, which was excellent. I am just wanted to put that out there it is the only way to get a proper comparison between tires.

[@rodpaine7552]

Excellent points! I am running AS3+ 245/40/18 on our 2019 RS 3, after having failures within several weeks with stock 235/35/19 Conti ExtremeContact tires and our VA country back road runs at speed and their now poor surface conditions due to poor maintenance that caused sidewall failures. The side wall height of the 235/35/19 simply didn't survive such hits! Now with 12,320 miles on the AS3+ I will replace them with the AS4 before winter sets in and we' will make many back road runs in the spring. We run 80-100 miles per trip 3 times a week weather permitting, so our 'back road' use is considerable compared to most drivers, given we run these roads an average 12k miles per year and have for quite a few years. The PRIMARY reason we bought the Audi RS 3!

[@ahmadrtube]

New vs worn makes a big difference especially in noise. How do you think the 4 would compare with a new 3+?

[@ghostwrench2292]

Good review! I had put new P/S A/S 3+ on my car last May and found out late summer about the new A/S 4. I am now in the market for new tires on my wife's car. Currently has Primacy MXM4 which have been pretty nice but I want to try the A/S 4 on her car. We don't drive hard, I just want the performance to be there when I need to be.

[@K03sport]

... I disliked the MXM4 as the OE tire on my 04 GTI. To me, it was a 5or6 out 10 tire. Nothing real exciting to write home about. I replaced (after 40k miles) with then PS A/S3 which was a better tire imo.

[@agnesf2659]

Impressed! Highly appreciated!

[@smilesmile787]

you are a bmw driver, you are not supposed to signal on lane changes.

[@Jorge-125]

🤣🤣🤣

[@brad741]

​@@Zukuri620true story.

[@glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136]

Nice review. I wonder if the slightly softer ride quality and slightly more sluggish steering response of the newer tire were due to the comparison being between a brand new tire with full tread depth and a worn tire with minimal tread. Tread blocks deflect under load, and the deeper the tread the more the deflection. I had a similar experience when I replaced my Michelin Pilot Super Sports with a set of Pilot Sport 4 S (though some reviewers note the PSS is the stiffer of the two when both are new). If you don’t need snow traction, the PS4S is a good way to go.

[@HowIDoThingsDIY]

Great review!!! I'm buying these for my S4 right now!

[@nplus1watches35]

Great review! I've run the Pilot Sport A/S series tires from the beginning on a VW Mk4 TDI and I've found all of them to be the perfect balance between mileage, handling and ride. Bonus points for driving in the slow lane of SB 680, too, that's a nasty stretch!

[@FaRKle0079]

Thanks! Always great to hear from another local!

[@miket.8528]

A nice sized midwest pothole ate one of my AS3+ hopefully I can mix in a couple AS4 without throwing my AWD car off. 🤞🏾🤞🏾 Thanks for a great comparison video!

[@donaldfett3208]

Very well done. Exactly what I was looking for.

[@sakethballa36t]

I switched from an AS3+ 255/35/18 on the front for an E90 335i to a AS4 245/35/18 (to limit some rubbing). I immediately noticed how much more comfort-leaning the AS4's were. They did have really good grip but they had significantly less feel and worse initial turn in. If you were to turn the steering wheel less than 5 degrees or so, you almost get no response out of the AS4 until they load up. I think I'm about 5 months and maybe around 5k miles into AS4 ownership give or take and I can't take them anymore for this car. I am switching from the AS4's to a set of AS3+'s that I have sourced. The E90 has a fantastic hydraulic steering rack (I upgraded to the M3 one as well) and the AS4 takes the fun out of it. Furthermore, the AS3+ tends to add a little more sport to the sports-luxury feel that is the BMW E90 platform which is appreciated. The AS3+ just has a superior steering feel that the AS4 and most of the UHP AS tires cannot match.

[@ravdeepsingh5298]

couldn't agree with you more man

[@slscamg]

They said that these tires have a more pliable tread but the actual base that the tread is attached to a stiffer. That retains the handling characteristics but allows the tire to better cope with snow traction. That might be why they feel like they have a softer sidewall.

[@revnto7k]

I have had A/S3 and A/S3+ and I should probably just go with the A/S4 but I still find the ride is a tad bit harsh with them. (the older models) Although it looks like the A/S4 is better in that regard as well. Great comparison thanks for taking your time to make this one.

[@benhaze1010]

I also have the AS3+ and they are really harsh. I am hesitant about giving Michelin another chance for all season high performance tires...

[@rafaeloliva8328]

Thank you for your hard work I’m waiting for my tires pilot sport 4 and after seeing your video I’m very happy I did currently riding the continental 6+ and I have to say excelente grip but base in your experience looks like I’m going to get more grip. On my c7 zo6. Thanks.

[@tyty0071]

280 South near San Francisco, I used to drive this road EVERY DAY for nearly 10 years.

[@livewoutlimit]

Great review! Super detailed, yet concise & well constructed

[@shawnseeley9561]

Great review! I've gone through two sets of the AS3's on my GTI and it's time for replacements. I was slightly concerned the AS4 might not be as good of a tire, but you've helped put my mind at ease.

[@EEEBA1]

How did you like the AS3's? I need new tires for the Audi S4 and I wanted the S4's but they are summer only tire. Thank you,

[@shawnseeley9561]

@@EEEBA1 Think of the as3 as a summer tires with a compound that tolerates temps below 40f. I always ran a dedicated winter tire December through March because the as3 is scary if there's more than a skiff of snow and you want to brake or turn.

[@EEEBA1]

@@shawnseeley9561 Hmm... Interesting. They advertise it as a all season tire. Where I am it gets to 20-30 degrees in the winter.

[@shawnseeley9561]

@@EEEBA1 I live in Colorado. Definitely ok for 20-30f, but when there's snow on the ground you can forget about it.

[@EEEBA1]

@@shawnseeley9561 I see. Thank you. It's hard to find all season tires lately. My car is all wheel drive but I still need something good for the snow.

[@antoinepageau8336]

I've been using the AS3 on my BMW 3 series and the AS4 on my Lexus GS. I thought the AS4 on the GS drove much softer than the AS3 on the BMW but I'm now realizing that it has a lot more to do with the suspension and tuning than the tire (in my case). I was worried about replacing the Primacy MXM that came on my Tesla model 3 with the AS4 but thanks to your video I think it'll be fine.

[@yoleto]

Fantastic review! Keep up the great work.

[@gracemalley6821]

The quiet ride is more a component of old verse new tires. Basically new tires have more rubber between the road and the steel belting in the tire. Also, the human ear perceives a change in volume (sound) between 3 to 5 dBs. Hope this helps!

[@Jasiel.95]

Thank you for your comment. That’s not something I would’ve thought, but obvious.

[@johnungvarsky8875]

Excellent video. Thanks you! Timely because I’ve been recommending the 4 just based on Michelin’s recent success when they have introduced upgraded models. Thanks for the data and impressions confirming that! I’m sure the 4’s are quieter but I also wonder if some of the measured noise improvement is due to having full depth new tread as a cushion? TireRack had a firesale on 3+. Time to stalk local C&C’s to find someone with a new set. Or just hack local tire shipping records. Oops, probably shouldn’t have said that out loud. 😀 Looking forward to the sequel video “FaRKle! does Tahoe! Tire Tests In Snow! ❄️

[@FaRKle0079]

Another contributor to the noise reduction could be the tread pattern. The AS4 has a lot more grooves that are angled more longitudinally along the tire whereas the AS3+ they're really all perpendicular to the tire.

[@chrisnamaste3572]

Notwithstanding the worn vs new issue; I conxur with your conclusions. I think the AS4s are floatier than the AS3+. I actually prefer the grab the road feel of the AS3+ because I don't live in a snow climate.

[@sakethballa36t]

1000% agree. Switching back to the AS3+'s for just this reason.

[@precisiondetails3003]

Nice video! This road looks awfully familiar. Is this near Fremont?

[@FaRKle0079]

Yup, just over the hill from Fremont on the Sunol side!

[@sniqowthefirst]

Thanks for the video, Ive been contemplating which of these to get and weather the extra money is worth it.

[@killerkennels9002]

Thanks for the review I have as3+ and I just ordered the pilot sport 4s summer tire for my Bmw

[@moffo2626]

Hey how has that served you? Are you planning to use them for year round or strictly summer?

[@michaelschneider-]

@@moffo2626 ... Don't even think about snow,, when fitted with Pilot Sport A/S 3+. .. Downright scary! .. The A/S 3+ is a 3 season performance tire after all. . Big Michelin Fan.. Bring on the Pilot Alpin winter M/S.

[@chrisperez8341]

Great review! I just ordered the Michelin AS4 for both my rears. I just replaced the two front tires with the AS3+ last year, and still have a lot of tread life. Would it be alright to run the AS3+ in the front, and AS4 in the rear? I drive a 04 330i zhp (RWD)

[@FaRKle0079]

The AS3+ and AS4 are probably close enough in grip that you can run them mixed. Also since you have RWD it won't matter as much. Nice ZHP!

[@chrisperez8341]

@@FaRKle0079 great to know! Thanks!

[@twistedneck]

Ideally, you want the same tire on all 4 corners (especially AWD) but like someone said, they’re probably so close you’ll be fine. But don’t you plan on rotating your tires?? Cuz of you do, the AS4’s will end up on the front eventually.

[@hectorrivera5230]

hi. How is the road noise so far since you have had tires. Great video by the way!!

[@tomcruise11880]

Thanks for the comparison on these two tires. A nice advice on buying guide. Mines are A/S 3+, 245/40/R18, 265/35/R18, with 35000 miles service life so far, still work fine, it's just kinda worn out. I also have test drive there on Niles Canyon Rd., that's why I found it a little familiar : ))

[@FaRKle0079]

Sharp eye!

[@airforcex9412]

Thanks for the video. Very informative!

[@Alphahydro]

Very informative. And you’re right.......different frequencies do have a greater attenuation.

[@jasonbrenner7184]

AS4s on a rear wheel drive BMW perform better than my previous AWD car with Pirelli. No traction loss in heavy rain and they absorb all the bumps in NYC and NJ even on 20s .

[@DaneFerolin]

I have the AS3+ on a q50, they are awesome

[@projecxbuilds]

I’m putting them on my Rays either Monday or Tuesday

[@StlPike2004]

Same here, makes the car drive 10x better than with the shitty stock runflats

[@rellguapo5175]

I was looking for some one with a Q50 review ! 👍🏽 I'm about to buy the AS3+ now, Costco has a sale🕺🏽🤣

[@danielheyward8818]

Just got a set for my 370z. GREAT VID!!

[@mrpratster]

Hey, you are close to me.. That's 680 south towards Fremont. Bad road for sure. Thanks for the review.

[@FaRKle0079]

Good eye! Yup, that's 680 alright.

[@sterlingjones7032]

Those are some pretty creamy rims...will be going with the as4 from as3+ this week thanks to this vid!

[@jruerph]

Good review...just purchased the 20in AS4 tires for the rear on my Panamera thru Simple Tire via ebay for $100 cheaper per tire than the AS3+. For whatever reason Simple Tire didn't offer the AS4 tire as an option for my vehicle thru their website. I only found out they were an option thru searching Discount Tire. Maybe Simple Tire is trying to get rid of the remaining AS3+ tires first before offering/promoting the AS4s. The reviews seem to be very good for both tires but I was curious as to what the difference between the two are.

[@efthimios]

Can’t wait to put them on my 2011 335 xdrive next week!!! Hope wakes up driving feel after I had some cheapentires on it

[@EEEBA1]

How do you like them? Thank you.

[@STAyTHIrstyMyFREind]

Easy subscription. All your vids are very informative!

[@FaRKle0079]

Thanks! Glad you enjoy them.

[@miata1370]

I really appreciated your review..and especially in your BMW Sportwagon..I previously had. '15 F31 that I had replaced the o.e. run flats with Continental ExtremeContact DWS (older version). Appears from your comments, you're also familiar with the Conti DWS tire and have chosen to stay with the Michelin. Would love more commentary on the Michelin / Continental UHP All Season comparisons. Am debating now between the two for my MINI Roadster S...which is coming off Continental DW Sport summer tires but I want more spring/fall driving capability in my colder Midwest climate.

[@FaRKle0079]

Yup, I've had DWS06 and ExtremeContact Sports on this car. The DWS06 has a much softer sidewall and I needed higher pressures to get good feedback. The DWS06 were definitely better offroad (dirt/gravel roads) than the Michelins, but both I can maintain good speeds. I think the DWS06 felt a bit more confident in heavy water too.

[@thesolislife9422]

I just installed these on my Cadillac CTS and they are great. They are definitely worth it. I was gonna go with the Goodyear eagle sport all season but after some research I went with the Michelin’s. I noticed a difference in sound on the highway but nothing y’all grown men can’t handle.

[@MrDrProfPatrick12]

Looking for new tires on my 2013 S4 and was trying to decide between these two. Thank you for an excellent video!

[@TheGman2421]

Great job on your video, your discussion on noise was most helpful. I

[@marktepper3440]

Love my A/S4 on my 2020 GTI. Improved the ride, quietness and my performance from the stock Bridgestone Poteza crap tires that came with the car. I highly recommend them! Note if you have a Tesla, that car is just noisy because it lacks sound insulation, so no tire will improve that ruckus.

[@knivesandfire1]

I have a ‘16 GTI and put on 40k miles on the OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE97 and I agree, not only they were terrible in all areas but downright dangerous to drive in the rain at under 30k, had more punctures than any other tire I had, and it developed cracks towards the end. I currently have the A/S 3+, and it has been mostly good after 30k miles with them and probably will get another 5k-10k before I swap them for the A/S 4.

[@pdaaSk8]

Hey! I had the Michelin as/3+ on my car and while it performed great. The tire was very noisy and provided a very uncomfortable ride. Do you notice a softer ride with the as/4, in terms of absorbing bumps in the road better ?

[@FaRKle0079]

Yes, I'd say the AS4 feels like a softer tire that's a bit more comfortable than the A/S 3+. If you felt the A/S 3+ was very uncomfortable, the AS4 might not be enough for you, but you could also try lowering the tire pressure a bit. Remember that door jamb sticker pressures are really only for the OE tires the car came with. I've set my tire pressures different depending on the tires and their characteristics.

[@twistedneck]

@@FaRKle0079 - This is a very important point- tire pressures are everything when it comes to ride quality. I’m curious as to what pressures you run with these AS4’s vs your stock tires that came with your BMW?

[@FaRKle0079]

@@twistedneck For the AS4 vs AS3+ comparison I ran the same pressures. For the AS3+ baseline pressures I used my Longacre pyrometer to determine what was optimal on the street and fast roads. I typically see 2-4psi increase from cold to operating temp on the street.

[@steffenfrost]

Great film presence. Can't wait for those tires to be available for the Tesla Model 3 Performance, which need the 235/35 R20 size. The sidewall protecting the rims is the primary benefit for me.

[@FaRKle0079]

Wow 20"? I didn't know the Model 3s came with wheels that large.

[@caldelt]

Curious why you go with an all season over a sport in CA? I never had an issue with sport tires until I moved from OC to Seattle.

[@FaRKle0079]

I drive on a lot of dirt and gravel roads, whether that be going to a friend's ranch, or doing outdoors stuff on the weekends. Summer tires don't handle nearly as well as all seasons on those roads (I've tried).

[@jonathanhughes5806]

Keep in mind, you're comparing the worn AS3+ tires to the new AS4 tires. Better comparison would be new to new.

[@michaelschneider-]

@Jonathan Hughes .. So true +

[@jedd1004]

Great video, I was curious about road noise, I found my AS3+ (255-35-19) to be noisy. I am now trying Firestone Indy 500's and they're definitely quieter. I may try these when I'm due again.

[@gamene99ablackmage60]

How do they compare to the as3+ in dry and wet plz? :)

[@brettsisley4058]

Thanks for the great review. Question: On the car, is there a big difference in the appearance of the sidewall/carcass shape between the AS3+ and the AS4? Definitely going w/the AS4 in rear. But current Michelin offerings force me to select either the AS3+ in the size I need, or the AS4 +10 in section width. Thanks.

[@FaRKle0079]

One of our other cars has A/S 3+ on it so I took a look and the sidewalls of the A/S 3+ and AS4 look very similar. Where there's a bit of difference is in the shoulder, but it's pretty small.

[@seanjohn7802]

Great review! You mentioned the DWS 06. I had those on my last car. Would you say the AS4 is in between the AS3+ and DWS 06 when it comes to the ride and the soft sidewall? I drove my friends car with the AS3+ and I was hoping for an all season tire that was a mix between the AS3+ and the DWS 06 and the AS4 seems to be that tire.

[@FaRKle0079]

I had the DWS06 on this car before the AS3+. The AS4 is in between the AS3+ and DWS06, but much closer to the AS3+. The DWS06 was really soft and IMO needed a lot higher pressures to feel supported.

[@K03sport]

...stay away from the DWS06. I'm having a horrible experience with them. From day one ('19 WRX w/2200 miles on 235/45/17) these tires were more noisey than the OE Dunlop Sportmaxx summer tires AND I've been dealing with a chronic vibration after the change. Even after multiple rotations, multiple re-balacing efforts AND after 2 DWS06 were swapped out for new ones, the vibration is still there. 😔 13 months and 16k miles later, my thoughts have not changed, the DWS06 is a bad tire and I will never buy again. Despite the tires doing well in wet and snow, their driving comfort faults over shadow any performance benefit. From now on its Nokian WRG# or Mich PS A/S or General AS-05s.

[@jereisluke]

I put the DWS06 tires on my 2014 BMW X1 a few months ago and can't stand them. I previously had the A/S 3+ on and wow what a downgrade the DWS06 tires are. Feels almost like riding on sponges, I feel like they're about to understeer and send me off the road on curves. They had good ratings too which makes me wonder if I got the same tire as others.

[@jauregui49]

Appreciate the video, Boss.

[@Morphia32]

I wonder how much a new tire with full tread depth affects compliance, and hence the extra comfort you are experiencing.

[@FaRKle0079]

It probably has a small effect, but I don't think that's the main contributor here. One of my other cars just had some fresh A/S 3+ put on (AS4s weren't available), and I didn't notice it being any quieter than before.

[@MartinBrownH]

Thanks for the great video. Have you noticed a difference in range / gas mileage?

[@squirrelmaster1225]

thank you for the video, im sold : )

[@SuperDv8]

The 1st windy road looks like Carbon Canyon Road. Looking at getting some a/s 4’s soon

[@mitch3443ful]

How many miles did you get out of the As3's? I just bought a set for my Mustang. I hope there better than the Pirelli neros that are on there now.

[@FaRKle0079]

I got about 33k miles on the AS3+ IIRC. I ran a square setup and rotated every 7.5k miles.

[@mitch3443ful]

@@FaRKle0079 Thanks I just installed them and they handle great

[@grocerylist]

In Seattle with temps usually above 40F, I drive Michelin PS4S year round for my M235i. I've got another set of wheels/AS tires for the rare winter weather that drops below 30 but if it snows I'd either not drive or I'd take the Jeep if I really had to get somewhere. I don't see the point of an AS tire anywhere in California that isn't in the mountains. Year round average temps are usually above 40F, where a summer performance tire would perform better in wet/dry handling and braking under all circumstances. And if you're in the mountains, a winter tire would be much better than any AS tire. AS tires are a compromise where they underperform winter tires in the snow and underperform summer tires under all situations above 40F. The only reason I'd consider an AS tire would be if I made regular trips to the mountains and for some reason couldn't have a 2nd of winter tires for winter.

[@FaRKle0079]

I happen to do a fair amount of dirt/gravel road driving and an AS tire definitely has more grip than summer (I've tried getting away with summers for those surfaces). Also, AS tires tend to last longer, so for the crowd looking for longevity it could be a better choice.

[@redandblack1911]

how much better handling is the 4s vs the 4 AS?

[@grocerylist]

@@redandblack1911 the PS4S beats the PSAS4 in all metrics (wet/dry handling) other than wet braking, just barely (50-3 MPH: PS4S @ 94.25' & PSAS4 @ 92.96') kzbin.info/www/bejne/amOUeZ6BabOkqdU

[@superstring101]

Excellent video! Thank you.

[@jamesdewer]

That's an informative review, what's your opinion of these on a awd? Do AWD handle better? 2017 Infiniti Qx50?

[@FaRKle0079]

My car is AWD too :-). All the same impressions would apply no matter the drive type.

[@sportsmansparadice42]

Great tire, but my A/S 3 + were bit harsh over expansion joints on the highway. I can't speak on the A/S 4 because haven't made the purchase yet.

[@fgortalu]

Totally agree with you. Never had that issue w as3 predecessor. Now I’m super annoyed w 8/32 still left.

[@1120Farhad]

Excellent review and information.Do you know what category As4 is ( A,B,C... ) Thanks

[@FaRKle0079]

They're rated "A" for temperature, and "AA" for wet traction.

[@1120Farhad]

Thanks for reply. I mean for fuel consumption . Apparently they rated E which unfortunately is very high 😌

[@dizzle0_0]

Thank you, I'm having them installed today.

[@EEEBA1]

How do you like them? Thank you

[@pman8330]

I have a 2018 Challenger V6 it’s time to replace tires. I was recommended primacy MXM for Michelin or Continental DWS06+ what should I go with? I’m in California Los Angeles to be exact.

[@FaRKle0079]

I'd pick the DWS06+ out of those. It's a great tire.

[@easyx9mm]

Great video, very informative!