Michelle Troconis criminal trial | day 19 afternoon

Cross-examination of Pawel Gumienny continues in the Michelle Troconis criminal trial.
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[@elliea520]

I can’t stand listening to this horrible defense lawyer. He is the worst. Love this judge and believe this witness. Michelle is guilty and knows where Jennifer is. Love love love this judge ❤

[@Williamb612]

this entire case will unravel if they find who dug the 6x2 grave in the woods and had bags of lye in it covered by a metal grate and leaves…

[@stevenprice6957]

So your hate of listening to the defence is a reason that she is guilty or do we need proof of this

[@cindymcintyre6697]

I love the judge, the defense attorney is annoying, the defendant is not truthful in all regards, Michelle is innocent.

[@stevenprice6957]

@@cindymcintyre6697 I think you are correct. Nothing tells me she did anything.

[@teresapren3266]

@elliea i love this judge and i believe everything this witness is telling ..

[@EmilyJaneDoe]

did the defense REALLY just try to sneak a whole ass 12 minute video into the trial and think state wouldn’t want to see it first? 🤦🏻‍♀️ can’t stand this fucking defense lawyer…

[@bamazing2731]

For real! Plays dirty and McGuiness spanks him!

[@rosien7334]

"That ground has been plowed, move on". The judge is like, "ask him about the Chinese restaurant one more time."😂😂😂😂😂

[@platosphaedo9097]

And don’t forget “Law school class 101.”

[@ppw2393]

It reminds me of the questions to the visitation supervisor and the repeated questions about the chocolate cake!

[@Youaintdownhome]

I love this Judge

[@paulajohnson1498]

This poor jury!

[@kathyf7336]

Time waisted!

[@kathyf7336]

With defence, not Mcgweeney!

[@sarahtomaszewski1804]

Pawel sir this could of turned out so bad for you and im glad the police saw right through it and never considered him a suspect. This man was just terrified about loosing his job and his green card.

[@ppw2393]

And his freedom if Michelle and Fotis had their way.

[@stevenprice6957]

Are they the same police that threatened to deport him ? Just curious

[@sarahtomaszewski1804]

@@stevenprice6957 no police ever threatened to deport him. Fotis told pawel not to talk to the police because" they would lie and deport him". He had no basis for that statement he simply wanted pawel not to talk to police so he told him that knowing pawel was very concerned always about his green card status.

[@stevenprice6957]

@@sarahtomaszewski1804 Did you watch the trial,? He said not in those exact words but if anyone has any common sense or is logical at all would know what 2 plus 2 equals. They threatened him and if you are to believe him for other statements then I’m sure you cannot pick and chose. He is either honest or he isn’t. He definitely wasn’t honest with police in early stages so he did lie. He was told about his green card. What do you think that means ? It means he was corrupted and as a main witness, I find this astonishing. Back to the real nuts and bolts here. What evidence do they have she was involved in her death or disappearance? Answer is none. The evidence they have is of her cleaning with paper towels and that is a house that was up for sale. They also have evidence of her putting chewing gum on a sidewalk. Wow that is it. Like I’ve said before, they have more evidence against the guy on the stand than her. He removed seats didn’t he? She removes chewing gum from her mouth and this is evidence 😂 seriously that is a joke. The whole case is a joke. The person who did this is dead. Charges were dropped after his death. They find the next best thing. A dumb girlfriend that hardly speaks English and comes across as not the smartest cookie in the jar. Again, who says i am going to kill a persons after they are dead ? That is the last thing anyone would say. After the fact that eventually will try and pin her on as they have nothing else and definitely not that she is involved of the actual murder. Did he dink her on the bike ? People can only guess whether she knew or not. That is not evidence. She must have known. People say. Well what if she didn’t. If you are believing the worker on the stand, he personally didn’t believe he killed her or even that she could be dead. What makes her any different to him. He was a snake and Fox. People get stooged by masters of manipulation. He had everyone fooled. Innocent until proven guilty for Michelle. It isn’t proven at all and it shouldn’t be on trial is my thoughts. It is a public political case. Keep the public happy anyway you can. I’m sure you understand what many prosecutors and police politicians are really like don’t you.

[@ronnietear]

Why does this atty asking questions that has already been asked? …very annoying!! Judge is excellent!

[@goose7574]

I truly appreciate how this Judge runs his courtroom and also explains everything... TOP NOTCH for sure!!!

[@SG-bw5xs]

Honestly- he’s a role model for professionals in ALL fields!🏆

[@bamazing2731]

@@SG-bw5xsJust like his wife! Wonderful lady, professional career. ❤

[@TruCrimeQueen]

@@bamazing2731is she a judge as well?

[@bbrd876]

What a great and knowledgeable judge! The defense attorney is quite annoying.

[@YOLO-kx5us]

He’s defending his client, simply as that.

[@bamazing2731]

@@YOLO-kx5us Is he?

[@sammagliari4718]

This judge "Kevin Randolph" has committed more felony crimes then Fotis Dulos and all of his accomplices combined.

[@bamazing2731]

Wishing Pawel the absolute best! Absolutely horrifying how this could have turned out for him. Lock her up!

[@aysekinsella9790]

he knew very well what was going on

[@bamazing2731]

@ayse You don’t know that. Are you the lead KZbin detective?

[@julesmisty]

​@@aysekinsella9790 Please give us a break from your gossip and innuendo. You don't have anything to prove what you are saying about this poor man. Is your opinion supposed to be so important that you slander an innocent man? I hope someone does that to you sometime so you can see how damaging lies are and how quickly people online will repeat this trash. Have some common sense.

[@cindyhmcdaniel4977]

Yes, thank Heaven for this man, for his testimony 🙏🏼

[@bkeic32]

@@aysekinsella9790no way. I think he became suspicious after the story started getting attention, but I don’t believe he knew what they did off the bat.

[@leslieacoca5876]

Defence attorney is so rude...not aggressive, rude. He is not doing his client any favors. Hew just comes across like an ill informed bully.

[@astrialindah2773]

He knows this witness is lying and is trying to catch him in his lies so he's being meticulous with his questions...

[@irenetsomidis2167]

@@astrialindah2773It’s the state witness not his witness

[@suzyq5629]

Exactly very disorganized, bullyish, and hostile towards this poor guy who was caught in the middle of this shit show. Michele knows AND DULOS we’re BOTH responsible for the murder of Jennifer Farber Dulos

[@shastajustice3753]

Lying about what? It seems he found himself in this situation. I've had some bad bosses but none that killed their partner.@@astrialindah2773

[@diegoramirezdaza]

@@astrialindah2773are you somehow connected to Michelle? Family or friends?

[@Hatchification]

It’s like the judge has to keep giving the defence lawyer 101 classes. He freaking kicks ass!

[@sammagliari4718]

This judge "Kevin Randolph" has committed more felony crimes then Fotis Dulos and all of his accomplices combined.

[@emileeleewolfe4192]

The judge acknowledged the decades that the defense attorney has been practicing and then had to educate him on the law frequently throughout the whole day. 🤦

[@cynthiamittendorf3251]

Defense attorney is a bumbling clown who loves hearing himself talk. He goes on and on about nonsense.

[@Anne-Priscilla-W]

Defense attorney sounds like an.idiot

[@Anne-Priscilla-W]

The prosecution needs to tell him to Not cross his arms. Looks like he is avoiding and defensive Everyone.knows that!

[@platosphaedo9097]

Even said Law School 101. Ouch.

[@ppw2393]

​@@Anne-Priscilla-W I'm several states away sitting comfortably at home and I want to avoid this defense attorney.

[@rfu196]

Judge is sending defence lawyer back to school

[@kathyf7336]

He is?

[@julesmisty]

We can only hope. This defense attorney is the worst I've ever seen. I don't think it helps his case to bore the jury to death and then expect them to acquit his client. Nobody's enjoying this or finding it valuable to this case. He must have less than nothing to prove her "innocence". To spend hours making someone repeat answers already "asked and answered", may work against him. He's a slimeball.

[@sammagliari4718]

This judge "Kevin Randolph" has committed more felony crimes then Fotis Dulos and all of his accomplices combined.

[@Miss06830]

Michelle is guilty. She is as much involved as Fotis. Where is Jennifer, Michelle Dulos!?

[@irenetsomidis2167]

She is Michele Triconis, not Dulos!

[@78summerbreeze]

She certainly knows where the body is. She is definitely a co conspirator. Even though the state has not proven it.

[@christykuhl2581]

Theres Jennifer Dulos who is missing.. Then Michelle Triconis in court

[@stevenprice6957]

She could have got immunity had she told where the body was. That tells me she doesn’t know at all. Just like the worker suspected nothing and he knew him for 20 years.

[@frockabyebabyshabbychic2611]

This poor guy. They took his phone, they took his truck, they took his motorbike - AND he ended up unemployed.

[@astrialindah2773]

And it appears by some of the evidence that he may have been involved in the cover-up of a murder🧐

[@bamazing2731]

@@astrialindah2773Nah, he was just waitin’ on that last paycheck….

[@78summerbreeze]

He says he had suspicions but just could not believe Fotis would do such a thing. He could not believe Fotis was such a man. He thought Fotis was a good guy & a good boss. So he swept his suspicions away. I think he also felt Fotis would make it difficult for him & be angry with him if he did not change the car seats in Tacoma even though he really did not want to change seats. He went to junkyards but did not get the seats even though they had them. He also wanted to keep his job. I think he felt a bit afraid of Fotis. He was not forthcoming with police about changing seats due to how Fotis would react. Fotis was using Pawal to frame him for murder. He was controlling him I feel. Fotis was purely out for himself & wanted Pawal to be the fall guy.

[@stevenprice6957]

@@78summerbreezeyes but the killer isn’t on trial. The girlfriend is. Was she bluffed like everyone else ? Highly possible. Snakes can hide things even from their mothers.

[@charlesbrendle2633]

I was so confused I had to google the defense strategy, and I’m still confused, but I almost went potty in my pants when the lawyer asked what the waitress at the Chinese restaurant looked like 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

The defense's strategy is to paint Pawel as FD's co-conspirator. He was trying all day to impeach him and catch him up in lies and it backfired because Pawel is being truthful. The guy has a receipt from a gas station which confirms he was not even in the area while his red ruck was being driven around during the murder. All they need is one idiot on the jury to buy this BS theory. Not sure so far that prosecution has proven Traconis conspired to commit the murder but she lied in all 3 interviews. She was totally involved in the coverup.

[@ag_402]

The defense attorney is officially THE WORST of the worst in too many categories to list.

[@thia55]

He is annoying beyond words

[@steffendix]

May 19th, 2019: why the hell is it important to know if the witness parked in front of the house??? The atty tries to turn the witness into a possible suspect???🙈🙈

[@stevenprice6957]

Because he is lying on what he did. He lied in a few things and was caught out. So therefor can he be trusted. Also the police and prosecutors threatening to deport him. Can they be trusted here. That’s the question. The other question is can you probe she was involved at all. Answer so far is no. Though the jury can be bias just like the public opinion so anything’s possible.

[@SG-bw5xs]

Let’s start a Go Fund Me for Pawel! He’s a hard working guy who was caught in the crosshairs of two rich bloodsuckers!

[@bamazing2731]

I thought the same but wait until after this mess is over with..and contact his atty. first. New Tacoma fund 😅

[@platosphaedo9097]

Maybe contact his attorney now to let him know people support him.

[@Miss06830]

@@bamazing2731 he’s very much involved

[@Miss06830]

Pawel is very much involved as well. Guilty !

[@SG-bw5xs]

@@Miss06830 wealthy narcissists have a knack for making others complicit in their wrongdoing…

[@milagrosnebreda5762]

The poor guyvwas left with no meqn of transportation . No truc . No bike

[@db16548]

That's right, and nobody gave a rats ass!

[@mauiswift6391]

Another amazing Judge, Kevin Randolph!

[@545linda]

LOVE this witness and Judge

[@realresident1890]

I believe everything he said!

[@janets1973]

I feel bad for him- He has been put through so much and was just trying to work and make a living.

[@Myautoimmunelife]

This Judge is amazing.

[@treath55able]

This judge is right up in the same Class act as Judge Newman. Brillent judge

[@MJ-bv8yx]

Who is he

[@ppw2393]

​@@MJ-bv8yx Newman was the judge in the Murdaugh trial.

[@KMills84]

I can not listen to this Lawyer - I'd put him in contempt the next time he started going off statements line by line...

[@ppw2393]

I'm amazed by the judges restraint. The defense just badgers all the witnesses. The way he drags everything out it's like he's trying to pad his billable hours.

[@MichelleStuart-wo3in]

Michelle was obviously infatuated with Dulos. She tried doing everything with him including motorbiking. I truly think she helped him get rid of poor Jennifer. I feel bad for pawel in this. He obviously was just trying to do his job and please everyone. He bought that dirtbike and I think it’s just shows how cruel and dishonest Michelle is to take it back. Also why did she take Pawels keys? Because she was helping fotis cover up his mess!

[@xeroxero1981]

I wish the state could explain what a jerk Dulos was as a boss to help the jury understand why Pawel did some of the things he did. He’s used to doing ridiculous things for his hard headed boss without asking questions. You can tell he didn’t feel good about the things he was doing (moving cars, replacing seats) but he wasn’t ready to go tattling. He eventually rightfully did but he had a family, income, life to think about beforehand.

[@lorraineotis4080]

This defense attorneys getting on my last nerve 😱

[@Graciela.Feb28th]

I would scream where is Jennifer's body or parts of 😢😢😢 why is it that she took the keys to his truck and wash it and ask to change the seats, ask for the bike back etc! Using him without any regards for him and probably inciting violence towards this poor guy just going about his business supporting wife and kids! He was close to her 😢

[@crabbychrisbeachsidebbq1831]

This judge is so sharp!! And sounds like Morgan Freeman!

[@julesmisty]

Those poor people being held captive by that windbag defence attorney. I love this judge, Morgan Freeman😉, he's patient and very knowledgeable. He needs to reel this guy in. He just rehashed everything that's already been said. I hope the judge sorts him out. And he must be the lawyer playing drums in the table, under a microphone as it's always there, except for when he's asking dumb questions. It's very annoying when you're hard of hearing and dialogue is overshadowed by endless tapping. And his sniffing. He should pick "a good day to give up snorting cocaine" (Airplane movie). I wanted to watch this trial but it's becoming intolerable. Poor jury. 😢

[@emileeleewolfe4192]

I read a comment somewhere that the defense attorney is one of the best in the state. 🤦 @julesmistyw

[@thia55]

@@emileeleewolfe4192😮

[@christykuhl2581]

Wow that’s a shame. He’s terrible

[@StephSilva-qw1lm]

Not anymore!!! Maybe he not used to a BRILLIANT judge

[@annettepierson6130]

The defense attorney really cannot present his side very well…. In fact, I would be very embarrassed to have him as my attorney.

[@christykuhl2581]

Yea and MT sold 90% of her belongings to afford him…. What’s the point of the women sitting there next to MT?

[@ppw2393]

I think that's her "translator". Plus, I read her father is paying her defense.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

Maybe he's finally realizing that his client is guilty. He has nothing to work with other than to try and make Pawel look like the killer/co-conspirator but it backfired today because Pawel was not involved and had a receipt for gas he purchased in a different town during the murders.

[@StephSilva-qw1lm]

I wouldn’t hire him if he last lawyer on earth! I would defend myself. Jury must be pissed with his crap

[@cindywatts6717]

Great judge, and I get a feeling that he’s an awesome grandpa❤

[@steffendix]

Why on earth my boss would wash MY car?? 🤔

[@astrialindah2773]

And require me to get different seats for my car 🤔???

[@78summerbreeze]

Dead giveaway Fotis did something nefarious in Tacoma. And requesting Pawall to change seats. Pawall knew it was suspicious because Fotis never cleaned that truck. Pawall did not see it necessary to change seats. But he went ahead & put the Porsche seats in because he knew Fotis was upset that he had not purchased any seats from junkyard. But Pawall just could not believe Fotis was capable of murder of Jennifer. He feared losing his job.

[@ppw2393]

Exactly, I'm guessing he's glad he followed his instincts about keeping those seats.

[@Lorri-dr4ft]

The jury is basically getting about 4-4.5 hours of testimony each day. 😳

[@julesmisty]

It's insane! I have never heard of starting a trial day at 10:00 am! Then the lawyers bring up all their issues before they bring out the jury. Then they quit at 4 pm and half days on Friday. At this rate, we'll be here for all of 2024. I don't know why courts, chronically backlogged, don't have trials at night and on weekends. The jurors can't have endless hours but different cases could be held at night. There's juries that would absolutely sit on a case at night, like shift workers. They're left out of jury pools because of their hours.

[@steffendix]

This witness now knows more than he delivers here in Court. The questions of the atty are definitely not necessary and lead to nothing special🙈

[@christykuhl2581]

He loves hearing himself talk. He asks things the prosecutor already asked. He’s trying to look like he’s doing something for MT. I can’t stand him

[@Lorri-dr4ft]

If you notice Ms Priss ( MT ) is very much involved in her defense case. Whispers, shows cell phone pictures, hands notes etc. she’s no dummy.

[@StephSilva-qw1lm]

Are the notes in Spanish? Lol

[@steffendix]

So in conclusion of this afternoon Day 19 I can say: nothing new from the witness, boring and time-wasting questioning of Michelle"s DA.🙈

[@deborahpoole9710]

Is there a law or problem with going to lunch at a Chinese restaurant?!

[@melaniecortez1404]

😅

[@robynholliday4794]

Love this judge

[@irenetsomidis2167]

I am sure police would have checked all his alibis before giving him immunity

[@michelleduplin4067]

I believe this man, he was yet another person Dulos thought he could control . I wish the best for Pawel and hope he can put this all behind him.

[@lilliansanders5175]

This Atty always have to look through papers. He need to learn to have his ducks in a row before he comes into court

[@MMC1115]

Worst defense attorney EVER!! He's beyond annoying. The repetition is intolerable. And the irrelevant questions are so annoying. The Judge is the Best!!!

[@steffendix]

It's really not surprising for me why trials in the US takes sooo long😂🙈

[@leslieacoca5876]

I can't even see what the MT's attorney is showing. Ineffective counsel. Repellent.

[@deborahpoole9710]

Why doesn’t anyone ask why Fotis was driving his red Tacoma truck rather than his own?

[@Lorri-dr4ft]

I’m lovin this judge 🦾

[@cynthiamittendorf3251]

Judge is outstanding!

[@janitaharner8122]

He definitely has a lot of patience!!

[@julesmisty]

He's one of the best I've seen. Judge Morgan Freeman 😉 always has a little smirk. As if he has a private joke on his mind. He's great. ❤

[@steffendix]

Different cars....🙈 the Judge slowly loses his temper at 1:37:36....😂

[@78summerbreeze]

It is more a trial of musical cars & who is driving which. Where vehicles are parked.

[@ruthpyatt1142]

He was involved but get off

[@MJ-bv8yx]

Trying to set him up these 2 snakes was

[@chrislim7615]

Why did this fmr.employee take soo long 2come up with this info???Did he remem suddenly*

[@platosphaedo9097]

Michelle taking the key from the truck door I will wager was a mind f*ch against Pawel as with the motorcycle sale and her calling the police.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

She took the key because they didn't want Pawel taking the red truck home that weekend because they had not yet cleaned it. Pawel caught them off guard when he showed up to take his truck home for the weekend. He needed it to transport his dirt bike home. Fotis was trying to get Pawel to take the company car home for the weekend and by having Michelle take off with he key, he thought he could get Pawel to just take the other car home. But Pawel pushed for his car keys.

[@ednaosidak9571]

Cindy I agree with you - Michelle does not look like the brightest light on the post and I think she just went along with the killer and was not that involved in his life. He seems to only use her and not truly in love with her and she has a daughter that she seems to care for so I don't see her throwing all that to the wind just to cover up for him. It happened fast, the killer set it all up on his own, pretty well with his friend the lawyer as he was enticing his girl friend to try and get them back together but they were on to them and she bluntly refused. Now we know why he had to kill himself. I don't even think he told Michelle he would kill himself. He just got up on that day, knew he had no way out and did it. This man is pure corruption.

[@myolivelove]

Is anybody upset that her screensaver includes the five children? I find it to be incredibly disrespectful!

[@ponceperales1041]

What a nerve!

[@FlowerAmguiano]

MICHELE'S LAWYER GETS ON MY LAST NERVE!!!😮

[@isyun7511]

This guy is guilty too, lucky he made a deal.

[@db16548]

She probably wanted the dirt bike back so she could turn around and sell it because she's broke! Attorney fees and dead sugar daddy.

[@rosien7334]

Defense attorney is so pissed.😂

[@christykuhl2581]

😂😂😂 I love it!! I love when the judge kills his confidence. He’s literally sooo pissed lmaoooo

[@paulajohnson1498]

Defense attorney should be pissed because he is awful!

[@steffendix]

Common🙈 Don't waste our time- I really HATE badly prepared attorneys or lawyers, this sucks🤑🤑🤑

[@julesmisty]

How many comments do you have to write on one days boring trial? It's you over and over again. You're becoming as annoying as that defence attorney! Come on man!

[@julesmisty]

Your 14th comment today! Seems like you have more time to kill than the defense attorney!

[@mrssassy9324]

@@julesmistyso what it’s a comment section you can scroll and roll . You don’t have to read the defense is ridiculous and laughable at this point.

[@ncolon4647]

The defense attorney is a nitwit wasting so much time flipping thru paperwork. What a joke!!

[@crabbychrisbeachsidebbq1831]

I like this fella but I have learned nothing from His testimony- did I miss something?

[@MarneyII]

The defense attorney is badgering Patel when he knows that Dulos and Michelle tried to frame Patel for this horrendous crime.

[@janpatterson6302]

He can’t remember if the police accused him of lying? Hmmm,

[@steffendix]

What about the new girlfriend of Dulos Anna Curry?? Has she already been asked as witness? 🤔

[@TruCrimeQueen]

When did he get that girlfriend?! Didn’t he off himself within months?

[@StephSilva-qw1lm]

She bailed him out of jail! Guess she had more money than Michelle!

[@kathyf7336]

Plus he doesyeven know which restaurant he went to- he just said he enjoyed that place and may have gone there!

[@db16548]

Again with the Chinese restaurant!😂

[@cindymcintyre6697]

The witness is lying to save himself. It's hard to watch.

[@cathymann6917]

This defense attorney is sooooo boring...Michelle. Is definitely guilty of aiding fotis

[@treath55able]

Judge Newman was over Alex Murdaugh trial in South Carolina

[@steffendix]

Gez...🙈🙈 Now the talking about the bicycle🙈🙈

[@steffendix]

🙈 talking about Polish cleaning woman Renata and selling-house ads🙈🙈

[@mrssassy9324]

I was like what the heck dude get over it 😂the defense is as useless as I’ve ever saw he will ask the most useless questions. I literally learned nothing the whole cross at all.. nothing

[@suzyq5629]

This Defense Attorney is an ASS, he’s extremely hostile towards the witness. He needs to go back to school

[@suzyq5629]

He is also extremely unorganized I heard his Partner say y “You can TRY that” he’s grasping for straws and wasting the Courts time. I also heard a huge sigh from the Jurors area.

[@cathytakeda7104]

He may be, but his job is to defend his client. If this witness is saying things against the defendant and the attorney can show the witness is not credible it will help create reasonable doubt. The atty knows more than we do about this witness and what he actually did and is trying to elicit that info.

[@paulajohnson1498]

This defense attorney is the worst!

[@steffendix]

Waste of time, money and - PAPER! 🙈

[@steffendix]

How is it possible that the witness do not know exactly when or if he quit on the day he met Dulos, CEO of Fore Group the Friday after Jennifer's disappearance...🤔

[@astrialindah2773]

And I'd also like to know what kind of employee, just because your employer tells you to buy new seats for your vehicle, does it 🧐

[@tracy6756]

He was afraid of losing his job. Keep up

[@tracy6756]

It's was years ago

[@astrialindah2773]

@@tracy6756 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MJ-bv8yx]

@@tracy6756yes an they was so trying to set this poor man up

[@stevenprice6957]

This case isn’t about whether you like it he defence attorney or he gets on your nerves. It isn’t about whether you like the defendant and she looks mighty suss. It is all about evidence and right now there is zero proof of her wrong doing at all. So cutting bias aside as we all should to judge something honestly, I cannot find this a proven case at all against her. Unless something comes up to show me otherwise, I cannot convict anyone ons hunch or guess work.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

You obviously can't understand the evidence presented. Scary

[@StephSilva-qw1lm]

You must connect with jury- he not even close

[@stevenprice6957]

@@StephSilva-qw1lm No. that is a wrong Justice system isn’t it. If I jury need’s connection then they shouldn’t be allowed to do such an important job. It should be solely on evidence and proof. Not how much I like a prosecutor or how much I like a defendant or whatever. Bias should be taken out. Connection out. Facts proof evidence. That is what matters. Unfortunately it isn’t the case in most trials is it.

[@StephSilva-qw1lm]

Analysts state all the time one must connect with jury regardless of who it is- witness, defense or prosecutor. If the defense is a windbag jurors might tune him out. Yes it might be wrong but it’s human nature.

[@stevenprice6957]

@@StephSilva-qw1lm you make it sound like a football match or winter Olympic event on the floor. I know how humans work and I get what you are saying. I agree it’s human nature. It is why humans believe in ridiculous things at times and can also be like sheep at times. I believe that 3 judges should be the be all and end all. Of course there’s no perfect system but the average jury is like your average colleague at work. There isn’t always a lot of common sense floating around. I have seen many innocent people get put away because their defence is inadequate compared to the millions of dollar funded state. It is regularly an uneven contest from the start if you want to call it that. So should you and I go for the glitz and smoothness of a prosecution team that has everything at its disposal or for the not so flash annoying whining cheap defence attorney or should you and I put the glitz or whine aside and stick hard and fast to the evidence. Aren’t we here to do the just thing and not be swayed by a handsome charismatic or a beautiful connector of a lady no matter which side they fall on. We should judge the truth. For me, the truth cannot always be gained so that is why it is beyond a reasonable doubt. I have serious doubts in this case that she knew anything at all. He was a smart fox and they play your average gullible person on a string. So therefor I cannot be totally sure she knew anything. I am certainly not convicting her of Anything to do with the murder. That is as far fetched as it gets. That is there to get what they insist on she goes down for. That is after the fact. Only she really knows and I’m not sure she did and doubts she did.

[@78summerbreeze]

Why all these ridiculous meaningless questions that have no relevance to Michelle Troconis? That is why this is such a long slow moving trial. The jurists must be so bored. I find this trial slow & I am yawning.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

The defense attorney's strategy is to try and make the jury believe that this employee Pawel was the person conspiring with Fotis to murder Jennifer. They want the jurors to believe it was him and not MT that was involved in the murder. Fotis Dulos even shaved his head and dressed like this employee the day of the murder to throw people off. He made himself look like Pawel and used the red truck to transport Jennifer's dead body. It seems like he and Michelle were framing this employee. Meanwhile Pawel was not in the area. He had the company truck and has a receipt for gas he purchased elsewhere. The defense attorney spent the entire day trying to rattle this witness trying to catch him in lies but it backfired because he's not involved.

[@steffendix]

What does "deleted searches on the witness" phone" have to do with the witness' relation to Dulos?? 🤔

[@Lorri-dr4ft]

Is she still wearing the earphones because she needs an interpreter? SMH

[@shastajustice3753]

This defense attorney's mannerisms isn't doing his client any favors.

[@20pawranch]

Saul Goodman would have done a better job than The Shoehorn!

[@bamazing2731]

Shoehorn 😂

[@thia55]

🤣🤣🤣🤣✔️

[@christykuhl2581]

MT never interacts with him. I wonder why and I’m so sick of her hiding behind her hair

[@StephSilva-qw1lm]

She hasn’t faced the jury yet- so disrespectful

[@deborahpoole9710]

Is he trying to show him as an inconsistent witness or what is his point if these accusatory questions?!

[@charlesbrendle2633]

From what I read, defense is trying to paint him as a “subtle” co-conspirator. I think they just made him look more credible.

[@TheWinterDaughter]

This judge is just thinking out loud while he makes up his mind about his ruling...I hate the way the defense lawyer frames his questions too.....right?

[@StephSilva-qw1lm]

CORRECT?

[@steffendix]

Why changing seats in a car?🤔 this could be interesting to know: where are the old ones, why they needed to be changed?

[@amandagoodrum9708]

He changed them because fotis told him to and he kept the old seats and gave to police.

[@astrialindah2773]

Oh my gosh the prosecution lawyer is such a whiny baby.. But your honor he got to do it...😂😂😂😂😂

[@ponceperales1041]

What a long and tedious cross-examination. I got a headache. I can't imagine Pawel Gumienny. Iban a echarle la culpa. Desgraciados.

[@ravenharris1257]

@1:54:00 Poor Pawel. MT is a lying dog in her efforts to pretend she never sold the dirt bike to Pawel. If you lie about a big thing, you'll lie about something small. Sad. Glad MT was found guilty.

[@janie9468]

Wait did defense just introduce that the bicycle would have been in operational condition by this gentleman working on it and adding tires to make it absolutely work to go to Jennifer’s house that morning!

[@susanyoung6632]

Who would play the people in this case if a movie were made.

[@eileencapps]

Morgan freeman for the judge.

[@susanyoung6632]

@@eileencapps yes! No doubt the best choice.

[@cathytakeda7104]

Maybe Josh Gad for Atty McGinnis, Gweneth Paltrow as Michelle?

[@susanyoung6632]

@@cathytakeda7104 def Gwyneth Paltrow. Excellent.

[@KarenMoore-z4c]

This cross by the defense is horrible! I feel so bad for Pawel. He lost so much. He has saddness in his eyes.

[@Artie32048]

I just wish the defense attorney would tone it down a bit!

[@michelleduplin4067]

How in the hell is Pawel going to recall where he was and what time he had lunch on a certain day in 2019? I can’t even remember last week

[@ponceperales1041]

2:05:56 ¡Vaya circo ha sido ésto! Voy a escribir en español porque hacerlo en inglés me llevará el doble de tiempo. Habemos muchos de la comunidad latinoamericana siguiendo este trágico caso. Todos hubiésemos querido que Troconis no sea culpable. Lo es. Lo ha dicho el jurado. La evidencia está ahí. Y viendo esta declaración que no vi en su momento porque ¡quién se banca a este abogado!, lo hago ahora [10 marzo 2024]. Ha habido mucho que aprender siguiendo el caso. Esta historia de la motocicleta alguien la menciona. Acabo de hallarla. Me quedo de piedra. Miserable Michelle. No hay otra palabra. Le vende una motocicleta usada a un trabajador del hombre con el que ella vive en una casa que parece un palacio pagada por la familia de la madre de los hijos. La reina es ella. Y cuando pasa lo que pasa, '-devuélveme mi motocicleta porque no me pagaste'. Cuando agarraba las llaves de su camioneta no se acordó que le debía. ¡Gastaron 250 dólares lavando la camioneta de Pawel Gumienny! Y los trotes de ida y vuelta. Ahí hubiese dicho, no. Me debe de mi motocicleta. No pongamos ni un dólar en esta camioneta. La llevan a lavar profesionalmente porque querían limpiar los rastros de sangre. Las huellas. Miserable. La pena por donde está pasando las noches y los días, desaparece. Fría como un témpano. Calculadora. Seguro fue ella quien animó al desgraciado que por orden de la Corte no podía ver a sus hijos sin la presencia de un guardián (o como se llame) a llevar a cabo el horror. ¿Vieron el testimonio del vecino que vive enfrente de 4 Jefferson Road? Vio a Fotos Dulos el viernes 24 por la tarde corriendo frente a su casa, desencajado, arrastrando los pies, viejo. ¿Por qué? Había hecho por la mañana lo irremediable. Sin el apoyo emocional y la coartada de Traconis no lo hacía. ¿Ahora? Desgracia y sufrimiento multiplicado. ¿Qué se creyó? ¿Que la madre de los hijos iba de muy buen gusto a querer que ella haga de segunda madre, de madrina? Ya lo dijo el Guardian ad litem en su testimonio: quería Dulos juntar a las dos mujeres bajo el mismo techo. Si a ésta le hubiese parecido una idea desquiciada, Dulos no la propone. Lo mismo con el crimen.

[@ponceperales1041]

1:54:40 M. Troconis: "That moto used to be mine and I sold it to him [Pawel Gumienny]." ¡Y el abogado se presta a querer desacreditar a Gumienny! De lo que se ha librado este hombre decente y trabajador. [ 2:13:35 ] En esencia le ofrecieron la moto. Pagó por ella. Pero no recibió el título (porque Michelle T la había comprado a plazos en Florida y no estaba aún pagada del todo). En lugar de hacer lo que debía y entregarle el papel, dice es mía. Que me devuelva. Deshonesta. Qué vergüenza.

[@GerdaPeterson]

This lawyer really is the worst lawyer I have ever seen….how did he ever got hired.

[@michellelansdell4191]

Love this judge 😊

[@gemmagnolia]

I love this awesome judge!