Michi Mochievee contract denied by VSHOJO until she consulted a Lawyer [VSHOJO Clips / Collabs]

[@LegalMindset]

I saw lawyer in the title...

[@showdownst]

At his point I'm sure you got alerts set up like: Vtuber lawyer [Company name] lawyer vtuber situation negligible

[@grymns]

​@@showdownst "negligible" 😂😂

[@_cybik]

Of course you did.

[@brendonperkins8349]

Down boy, down!!!

[@DanteGaia]

THE lawyer himself shows up~~~~

[@LumiLunar]

Michi was so shocked Vshojo wasn’t a scam that she became a scammer just to give herself peace of mind.

[@bengrogan9710]

"If they don't Have an angle, I'll become it myself!"

[@LyraPyxisVT]

well i mean when your use to companies being shit its hard to accept when you find companies who arent shit

[@demonic_myst4503]

Seriusly someone needs exsplain what scam

[@bengrogan9710]

@@demonic_myst4503 her fan name is Scambas

[@The_Game_Professor]

​@@demonic_myst4503She ordered spaghetti to come at midnight.

[@raderelcaroman1403]

Vshojo literally went "No we will not let you walk in before you make sure you're not getting exploited by us"

[@Wulf0w0]

​@@reaperkiss1858at 19:50 she explains it

[@ceresbane]

Its to legally protect themselves, so Michi can't go around making claims later that nulls the contract. Like she was forced, coerced, tricked, etc. E.g. Niji's non-reply to Niji within 14 days counts as agreement clause on their contract is 100% un-enforcible and won't fly in California court. Just because its on a contract doesn't mean its legal. But black companies will do it because they know most people don't know their shady contract is bullshit.

[@dimea12]

@@reaperkiss1858 I don't think you understand what clickbait means. The title of the video is completely accurate to what is in the video. Just because you have a short attention span doesn't make the title clickbait.

[@MDG-mykys]

Feels pointless if they are the one giving her a lawyer lol

[@dimea12]

@@MDG-mykys Did you watch the clip? They made it clear to her she needed to find someone who wasn't linked to them in any way.

[@Fender178]

How many companies do you know that reject your signed contract because you didn't get it looked over and approved by a lawyer? That's bad ass.

[@ShuberFuber]

In a legal sense it's actually a good idea to require the other side to go through it with their lawyer, especially in the US. Because a good lawyer can nullify a contract if they can prove that the other side made you sign a contract you don't fully understand. Having a lawyer go over it with the other side they legally cover themselves that the other side fully understand the contract.

[@Fender178]

@@ShuberFuber Very true, Very true.

[@autohmae]

Their is an other reason: they are dealing with talent in a new country, they don't know anything about local laws, etc.

[@Eagledude131]

A lot of reputable companies will do everything in their power to make damn sure you know what's in the contract you're signing. It's in their best interest for you to be 100% aware of the terms of your employment

[@acceptablecasualty5319]

​@@Eagledude131Yes. Luckily for most, we're past the age where putting a signature somewhere on a 30 page document could mean a binding contract for life. It's a good thing that contracts can be challenged if there's any suspicion that they were designed to be deceptive.

[@boggart273]

That other company "No, no lawyer, you have 5 min to sign." Vshojo: *Slaps pen out of her hand.* "No sign until you talk to a lawyer."

[@thomasmitchell4155]

It is an important note that any of the previous vshojo members who left did not leave because they disliked the company, they left for their own personal reasons and waited for the contract renewal to do so. Vshojo knows how to support good talent 👌🏻

[@hypoaktivnaovca]

AFAIK, Nyan and Vaibae both mentioned issues with the contract and Kson mentioned that her contract got better after they left, so Vshojo wasn't always amazing, they fucked up and then improved. Unlike a certain company which just can't stop doubling down on being shit.

[@renerant]

I am not that familiar with the case, but wasn't a big part of why Silvervale left (=didn't renew her contract) the lack of (public) support from the company during the time she was harassed on Twitter and IRL due to the Harry Potter game? I know there was also some bad blood between her and Iron mouse (and maybe others) but I think vshojo not taking a public stand against harassment was one of the reasons. Ps! I'm not hating on vshojo, in fact they're the only agency whose talents I follow.

[@mdb45424]

Not much vhishojo could have done when she hersef refuse to take a stand, it would have added fuel to the fire ​@renerant

[@renerant]

@@mdb45424 I'm not very acquainted with the situation, what do you mean she didn't take a stand? You mean she should have succumbed to a bunch of Twitter idiots and not have played a computer game?

[@mandlor7503]

No they mentioned the contract wasn't compensating them enough. Their mass exodus is what lead vshojo to improve their contracts. Kson spoke about this after she renewed her contract awhile ago.

[@Norrikan]

Gunrun: _"I can fix her!"_ Sakana: _"I can make her worse!"_

[@ResidentWeevil2077]

The duality of vtuber company CEOs KEK

[@jacksonfoxsr]

The vtuber agency angel and devils lol and they both look at kurosanji like, "woah. Too far, bro."

[@TMnat25]

Sakana: I can make her Marine

[@mostpolitebot1464]

Sakana: I can make her sell coffee

[@bleyk36]

Hololive: I can make her into an Idol

[@EndoftheBeginning17]

I finally got to the lawyer part and I can totally see why they insisted she had a lawyer. Having an independant lawyer go over the contract protects Vshojo from issues of coercion if the business relationship went south. It gives her peace of mind. Also, given the issues with the Niji and their horrendous contract being made public, it's a good thing because now she can tell the story about the day she saw an entertainment lawyer regarding her contract with Vshojo and it's not bad like her previous employer.

[@Nanoqtran]

It also increases the positive public perception of them. A few steps allows them to farm positive publicity from nijisanji problems.

[@Jasonred79squeek]

Not just coercion. In case of a dispute, Michi can’t turn around and say “I signed this without reading it or understanding what I was signing.”

[@autohmae]

Also, she is in a different country, with other local laws/culture, etc.

[@hi123452008]

Gunrun's Rehabilitation Clinic for Abused Vtubers

[@MDG-mykys]

😂

[@kevinhanandi]

Basically

[@ScyBlade]

Damaged, not Abused. Damaged includes the Abused, but extends the help to those who have crappy lives due to random chance. Such as Ironmouse.

[@rm9346]

Based. Gives rise to second chances like Henya, who has blossomed in this environment.

[@Akrilloth]

"Lelouche Vi Britannia commands you... GO TO THERAPY"

[@thestoockguy2255]

Vshojo knows how to treat their talent like real people and invest in their success. Niji could never

[@texitocfyd]

Following the sakana way. Fixing them one at the time.

[@wildkaya643]

@@texitocfyd It'd really blow a lot of yall's minds to find out VShojo started before Phase.

[@jerbjerbjerb5912]

@@wildkaya643 vshojo was problematic until just recently

[@StreyX]

It's just really sad to hear. This is the equivalent of an abused child thinking: "oh wow, your parents didn't beat you for late rent payments during elementary school?".

[@danysiegh9746]

When Michi said they had to ship someone, I just think the Vshojo Office and Gunrun comes in with a card board box and goes, "Who wants to go to Indonesia to discuss about merch." and three people proceed to shove themselves in the box.

[@BonelessReed]

Why do I feel like Gunrun is just the type of dude who lives within his means so that he can just take care of the people around him. Respect to the man and company and the streamers. Mad respect

[@timurdos]

from what i hear from people (literally everyone, from people not even in vshojo circle, just random streamers) it seems gunrun just helps everyone. like literally everyone. and i haven't heard a _single_ even remotely bad thing about him.

[@supermaster2012]

Jesus Christ stop drinking the big corpo koolaid, companies are not people. A business is a business and Gunrun will do anything in his power to ensure revenue, anyone be dammed in his way. The fact that FOR NOW the interests of the company align with the interests of the talent because of PR doesn't mean Vshojo is your friend. Stop. Anthropomorphing. Companies.

[@IhiriTasogare]

All companies, ALL COMPANIES IN ANY FIELD OF WORK, should be doing this. If they are you people, your employees and such- take care of them and show that they are not just a number.

[@jordanledoux197]

It's really rare in the United States at least for an employee to be in a contract for a defined time period. Most states have "right to work" laws, which means you can quit at any time (and also that you can be fired at any time, which is the real reason the laws exist). The only time this isn't the case is when the employee and the company have signed a contract for a specific term of employment. That's most common in sports in the US, and those orgs DO tend to take care of their employees like this.

[@ArcDragoon]

If Gunrun and the Vshojo crew thought that hard about profit, we wouldn't have Hime Hajime. Sometimes, a good investment is a loss. It is like the Costco $1.50 Hotdog. You take the loss for credibility and long term profits.

[@m1kadzuki]

I don’t know much about Hime, what happened? 👀 just interesting to know

[@ArcDragoon]

@@m1kadzuki Nothing bad. You do know who Hime is right? IRL? So, she doesn't like to stream. And this basically means we get an appearance like once a year on average. Hence, VShojo signing her on always meant that after all this time that VShojo never actually cares whether or not Hime does anything. It is a loss as they've provided her with resources, and they're used once a year. And that is because it is actually better to have Hime and her IRL persona as a loss, than to not have her at all. For example, Hime just did one of the songs for the NIKKE crossover. It is better in the long run for VShojo to maintain a trust as a brand than to have just terminated Hime for inactivity.

[@Nanoqtran]

Company takes the upfront cost so that the talents can succeed which brings events and sponsors to vshojo which being a steady amount of money. The happier they are the more they strive to pull things for the company. They end up in a positive symbiotic relationship. The only issue is that it doesn't scale infinitely so vshojo will most likely remain a smaller agency with a strong happy line up

[@manganimenerd]

@@Nanoqtran Quality over Quantity as the saying goes

[@Apova10]

What makes you think hime hajime is a monetary loss for vshojo? She does not stream a lot sure but her merchandise sells and the person behind the vtuber is a quite popular youtuber with contacts in and around Japan. She was in the vshojo maid cafe video as herself and the video being possible was most likely thanks to her and her other companys work behind the scenes.

[@JL-GHK]

It's a business expense and an investment. VShojo knows what talent is worth.

[@hoshi-15]

American companies are really fast paced about responding and being flexible. If you take 1-3 months to get work done, it’s considered a waste of time. Vshojo showed their work ethic by closing an international shipping deal within a week to ship Michi’s merch to her fans.

[@autohmae]

Strictly speaking, it was 5 weeks, 1 month before debut, 1 week delayed debut.

[@PyroDay991]

POV you came from a black company and can't believe how good a corporation can be

[@MelvinDRosaria]

Kurosanji: Welcome to the Niji family, now make me money. Vshojo: Welcome to the Vshojo family, anything we can help with, to lighten the stress inflicted by our competitor?

[@azzazelynn988]

Hearing all of this really puts into perspective why Vshojo keeps itself small. If they had as many people as Niji or even Holo, they wouldn't be able to give each individual the attention that they need.

[@ectothermic]

Holo seems to be doing just fine. Niji just doesn't spend any of the money they make on the talent. It's all absorbed up to the execs and stocks bros. They said as much in their reports.

[@azzazelynn988]

@@ectothermic Oh yeah that's not to say that Holo is bad. Just that they aren't able to offer the same amount of personalized help with 80+ people as VShojo. Most companies can't, to be fair. Then there's Niji sittin' over there with almost 180 people. It would be incredibly hard to keep track of everyone even if they wanted to. And they don't.

[@ectothermic]

@@azzazelynn988 Every Holo member has a very responsive manager though. It's really honestly not that hard to have a few managers per generation, and they're doing just fine. Outside of A-chan busting her ass because she wants to everyone has good management and they're always attentive to livestream events so they can rein in some of the crazier talent. Niji just actively refuses to help their people that's all. Making that much money you could easily hire a legal rep and a manager for each talent and keep them on payroll most of the year. One BILLION dollars is an unfathomable amount of money, it's not humanly comprehensible and it's not being used.

[@autohmae]

it definitely takes time to grow such a company, to hire the right people who actually know how to do this. You can't grow this to fast.

[@ectothermic]

@@azzazelynn988 The difference is while A-Chan is kinda their big manager all the talents have other managers behind them. Hololive knows how to invest their money. Niji is only concerned with "line goes up" without any long-term expectations. Niji only has one manager per several of their talents and they have many more than Holo. It's just kinda crazy to me how careless they are.

[@samkozz]

Vshojo is a unicorn as a corporation in a sense that they learned from their mistakes immediately when they lost talent in a very public way. The way they are doing things now protects them and the talent without taking anything away. It's a very exclusive club that is hard to get into and the way they now treat their talent reflects that well.

[@manusiabumi7673]

Idk if i can comfortably call them unicorn tho, bc every time i heard unicorn in vtuber context i always think of a certain small but loud and annoying subset of vtuber fans who throw a tantrum every time their oshi interacts with the opposite sex😂

[@MekamiEye]

@@manusiabumi7673 I'd say that "annoying" is putting it mildly. Some of my favorite content is just the vtuber gals and guys hanging out and verbally roasting each other while playing a game or some such.

[@ILHillbilly67]

She’s going on and on about how she’s being treated like a proper talent and person….what kind of hell did she come from?????

[@ninjablade2]

Nijisanji-hell

[@jamesiewalters2360]

Kurosanji.

[@hoarauthomas1006]

never seen an entertainment company doing what vshojo does base on what their talents said. It's not about comparing with other vtuber agency, no other agency does that. But even out of entertainment company that not a standard at all. Stop acting like this is a standard or normal. It should but it's not. It's not how a normal company work at all. If you think that you never worked in your life or please share your company name right now I need to work there. I have been in small company , big company, even in my family company ! even my own family can't compete against what vshojo give to their talents ! So please accept the fact that they are not the normal company here. Also even the worst you think you've seen from vtubers agency is nothing close to what really happen in the industry they are inspired of. Look at the Jannies. . . respect to those guys. . .

[@failegion7828]

@hoarauthomas1006 Okay, but consider this. The comparison was Vshoujo vs Niji. Vs being in the better end of the spectrum. While Niji being on the horrible side of it. The practice of forcing the other party to get a lawyer for a contract isnt as common because most companies won't attempt to hardcore screw over their talents to such an extent as Niji has. Doesn't mean most wouldn't if they knew that they could. However it's likely most realize writing up an unenforceable contract when you don't have much funds to chain people to it via threats of crippling court cases is self destructive.

[@greatmacaron5779]

@@hoarauthomas1006 Is this an angle to defend vantablack-sanji ?

[@Ysevetyfive]

God i'm so happy she's in an environment now that actually cares for and fosters her, she genuinely deserves the world and i'm SO glad she back :´)

[@rainsoakedscribe7068]

I'm not a therapist, but I have experience with PTSD and it does sound like some reactions that I've both seen and experienced. I handle it differently because of my background, but its not uncommon to just lay down and veg out until they recover. I sincerely hope that she takes them up on the offer of free therapy.

[@duwan8260]

"Who in their right mind would hire-" Shhh. Remember, they got Kuro.

[@totallyathome]

The part where shes like "what makes you think I'll be a good investment" they say "cos youre good" but for us we know. "Its because you weren't even supported in your previous workplace and yet made it so far, tried your best to stay as long as you could for your fans. Imagine what you could achieve if we treated you like a real talent. And that just translates to profits for us but also for you."

[@plotfinder5640]

Thank you for the whole big “clip, of this conversation

[@AklyonX]

The chapters are also great

[@VTuberEnjoyer848]

I’m so happy for her man, I was CRUSHED when she left I had basically just discovered her and the next day, boom, graduation announcement.

[@dead-claudia]

14:48 little does she know, vshojo almost certainly also sees this as an opportunity to get some better market presence in southeast asia in general. they almost certainly did similar when they first signed on kson.

[@andyme3541]

@ropewash4432 Exactly it's a sensible move, it will pay off for them in a medium term and they listened to her advice on the cultural differences and went 'Great lets use that!' that is one of the great pay offs of listening to your staff and people and taking in their experiences. Being a good company can be profitable, you don't have to go Black to make money in fact Vshojo will likely be far more stable as a company than others because of the good relationship it fosters with the Talent. I'm reminded of another company in a different field where the owner took a massive Paycut so he could raise the wages of all his staff such that I think the minimum anyone working for him was paid was $50K a year. The staff could suddenly afford to have a family earlier than they hoped they literally as a company jokingly refer to their kids as a collective group as children of the company because it was that financial stability that allowed them to have the children, they also stay at the company for far longer seeking internal promotions over external, because again the company treats them well. During the Pandemic all the staff took a voluntary pay cut because they wanted the company to stay alive it had treated them well in the good times, they where paying it back, and the moment the Pandemic was over and the company recovered they gave the staff a bonus that was basically all the wages they had given up during the Pandemic. By treating the staff decently they got loyal staff who stuck by it in the lean times. You don't have to be mustache stroking evil to get ahead, Vshojo has recognised that a lot of what it does benefits them. Therapy, stressed over worked panicked talent won't be as good as relaxed happy talent. So help them get to that state, they will sell more merch if they are happy and you'll make more money (Merch is where I assume Vshojo makes it's money taking a cut of the Merch and likely sponsorship deals the stuff they help create/negotiate) having the great reputation Vshojo now has is likely a huge benefit in getting those same Sponsorship deals, there is at the moment no downside to a companies image working with Vshojo. Compare that to Nijisanjii who when all the stuff came out over Doki lost a lot of Sponsor deals because companies did not want their image asscoiated with Niji Etc etc. Gunrun gets it, he gets that you can do the right thing and make money from doing the right thing

[@Rowan_d]

Oh, almost definitely. They're probably happy that she's given them a different perspective and pointed out a gap in their business. This is what business relationships should be, symbiotic.

[@SpeedHunter020]

20:50 Looks like Vshojo took notes from their previous talent about having a lawyer read over contracts.

[@Durakken]

A lot of these things that she is talking about is just normal. Like, of course they'd fly to SEA and set things up. Even if you mess up and totally fail, that's building the infrastructure and connections... and not only that, when you work in groups you get way better deals and power. Just the fact that all these talents are saying good things about vshojo is such good pr that probably pays for everything that she's talked about

[@ShuberFuber]

Yep. And even the forcing her to consult with lawyer. That's typical for fairly large contracts (and entertainment contracts that could involve millions of dollar changing hands definitely requires it). Because it's mutually protective legally, since it make sure that the talents don't get surprised by a clause, and they have no case to argue that they don't know what they're getting into. Although the "I think you're taking advantage of the company" does imply the contract is pretty generous.

[@thedomoking]

​@@ShuberFuberIt's such a common thing to do, yet there enough companies that don't do it that it still paints Vshojo in a positive light.

[@Durakken]

@@ShuberFuber I'd also bet that a lot of the things that she thinks is expensive, it probably isn't for a company. I mean, talent agencies should generally have medical staff, legal staff, merchandising staff already or have something to account for it. i mean, why wouldn't you? Your money is based on the success of a product that is a human or merchandising that human and for that product to be successful, the human needs to be healthy and you need to get the merch that you can make money from to the customers.... So it behooves you to have your humans have access to things and they are preforming to your standard which means you need to provide if it you can for best possible results.... And then things with SEA, if you're planning to have more talents, or researching how feasible it is, you're going to want to set up and observe those connections and see how it does. But even if that wasn't the case... just looking at PR and talent scouting. 6 months ago if you were to be given the same contract from both countries in terms of splits and such you'd pick Niji over Vshojo because in there was an assumption that there are more inherent benefits from working with Niji than Vshojo, but these talents speaking of all these benefits and how easy they are to work with makes working with them to be much more valuable. It's like a contractual modifier.

[@Lianpe98]

"They shipped someone" I just imagine a person with a vshojo polo shirt and a folder coming out of a literal wooden mail box after being delivered.

[@statixfear]

I always applaud companies that take care of their employees. At the end of the day, we all understand that the main goal of these companies or agencies doing business is to generate revenue... but if they get too greedy, and don't invest some of that revenue back into taking care of their talents and staff, that's when you get the likes of Nijisanji, WACTOR, etc. I'm sure that Vshojo is far from being the "perfect" agency, and in all likelihood they might have their own internal flaws and issues as well... then again, it really puts into perspective how low the bar was for some other agencies if these talents are this surprised and happy with how they're being treated in Vshojo.

[@TheFluBugZ]

There was some mess a while back with Nuxtaku. Some kind of security concern for the talents that went sideways when V-shojo approved Nux could make a video about it, then they weren't okay with it and told the talents, they turned on Nux, it was a sh17 show. Not sure how they all stand, Zen was the only person we know of that apologized about it to Nux. That was probably the worst drama I've seen from V-shojo, which is nowhere near the absolute nuclear meltdown that Niji and Wactor have been doing.

[@CJODell12]

@@TheFluBugZMany Nux fans will never forgive VShojo for that.

[@ericbaek3706]

someone in chat, "get a lawyer so we can help you." literally the best company ever.

[@PocketKanin]

I understand her feelings 15:22 Always had to have good grades, do as many clubs as possible, learn an instrument, get a summer job, go to college, etc. I never got a “good job!” because it was the expected. it’s what makes people who feel like being taken care of and treated with what we actually deserve is not true (even though it is).

[@geeguy7429]

Vshojo: welcome to the team,here’s your stipend, please pay for your therapy Kurosanji: welcome aboard, here’s your bill, please pay for our therapy

[@kuyalumpiangsariwa8993]

Thats how a corpo should function. Take care of your employees/talents you get more profit. More profit happy corpo happy talents/employees happy consumers.

[@autohmae]

Its very much depends on the kind of business if this is an option at all.

[@Tairou]

When a corporate company treats you so well, the way you as an employee should be treated, you have no idea what the hell is going on and it leaves you dumfounded.

[@rebeccameyer6612]

Whoever said this was a company normal has not worked. This is an exceptional contract and Vshojo should be praised for setting a standard for the other companies to hopefully follow.

[@supermaster2012]

This is common (and sometimes required by law) everywhere except Japan and the US.

[@Kamodomon]

Every job should offer to pay for their employee's therapy. EVERY JOB. Very cool.

[@weisskreuz899]

Best way of passively dissing and shaming your previous company is by highlighting and showcasing the strengths of your new company. Hopefully, we are not seeing the start of corporate shilling that Millie Parfait seem to be exhibiting towards her current employer.

[@MoleHillish]

its sad that these basic acts of professionalism seem so crazy to her.... really speaks to her previous workplace

[@baka_ja_nai]

This is great clip - i was watching the stream, but missed dome additional info about contract. Thank you.

[@giantnerd14]

This says a lot about the exploitation in the industry that Michi is so shocked by a management agency that actually does something besides taking a cut. The lawyer bit is pretty dire.

[@MarqFJA87]

Michi confessing that she's used to the rigid transactionality of pretty much every luxury throughout her life - not limited to her previous vtuber stint - is just saddening.

[@o-that1raven-o]

This is the most calm I’ve ever seen michi 😭😭😭

[@danielcanon7602]

i love how bafled she is that the company pays for infrestructure and employee well being i mean that speaks volumes on the corp culture of the company

[@LawdBreaktwist]

Girl is making my "dad brain" fire Can i just give her a hug

[@generalpatton2910]

they are not simply paying, they are investing in their talent

[@LaughingOrange]

Can't do good streams if you're burned out. No good streams -> bad merch sales -> no money.

[@Firnienarya]

Vshojo really covering their bases about making sure the talents they contract actually discuss the contract with a lawyer lmao

[@ellop4]

VShojo is such an awesome company. They are so flippin generous. Seeing Michi be happy litreally made me smile too

[@gingeral253]

I’m so happy that she’s happy. Happy employees means a productive company I hope.

[@yamdechu]

im just happy that she's in better hands now and that shes happy :))))

[@Chappyowo]

Honestly when Michi was in her previous life I was not into her, but now I see they didnt let her shine, nor they made any effort to push her out there with events and stuff. This model alone is so much better, very expresive!

[@The_miIk]

the only company i support rn. vshojo seems so fricking chill.

[@obi_wanshinobi]

Offering to pay for therapy, wiping out debt, and offering to pay lawyer fees. VShojo went from being a vtuber retirement home to being a vtuber sanctuary/rescue mission.

[@sebastiancalderon4710]

vshojo paids for terapy so fishman cant take away the talents at the psych ward, excellent move by gunrun

[@KuroRyuu86]

The difference between Japan and Western contracts huh. If you know about Idol culture in Japan or Asia in that matter, Western contracts will always favour the Talents and their wellbeing's.

[@baka_ja_nai]

Western corpos abuse their workers as well, they just have better PR. Amazon has no problem using their lawyers to screw over people who get injured on the job and get zero disability compensation as result.

[@XTRFilms]

vshojo the goat man, it's heart warming to see her get access to better resources and the tools to be her best self without even having to ask. this should be the gold standard for vtuber talent agencies, protect your investment by taking care of your talents the best you can.

[@saninorochimaru2]

Michi after learning a company can be not entirely focused on short term profits and can focus on the sustainability of its business: 😮😮😮

[@Rox4me]

I think the big thing to remember here is that Vshojo's cost for having a talent work is 0. Most companies pay their employees not the other way around, lol This also means ALL income from talents goes back to helping the talents. So resources aren't really an issue as long as Vshojo can pay their own wages

[@CJODell12]

I heard that GunRun has a backpack business that makes even more money than VShojo does.

[@stock6600]

Niji joins another agency, gets surprised when managers actually do their job. Story old as day.

[@battlecruiserna]

take their investiture in you as proof of their confidence in you. you can do this.

[@HartSickle]

Its investment in their entertainers. Entertainers are their business, thats where they should invest. Makes financial sense to me. They put a lot in at the start, but will make it back over time.

[@Bzuhl]

"They're my legal guardian" Well that contract was not so safe in the end if they slipped that past your lawyer XD

[@CrimsonID4]

While I see a lot of comments praising VShojo (and deservedly so) for the way they treat talents, let's not forget the reason VShojo can do this as opposed to other agencies is because *_they are a privately owned company._* As much as I would like to believe otherwise, I have a feeling If they were a publicly owned company, they would treat their talents much more like other VTubing agencies (though nowhere near as bad as a certain other agency...)

[@command_unit7792]

I think the structure of the company(aka the Talent owning their own IP) makes it kinda hard to operate in any other way. Most Companies that try this model usually don't offer much aside from merch and ad deals because they usually don't have the revenue to do anything else. Vshojo has some big heavy hitters and alot of funding and connections because of Gunrun(founder of Twitch)

[@holobeans]

god i love her model it is sooo fluid

[@neropulsech.6773]

Man she really is good at just chatting streams

[@kazeryu4834]

I always did like her. Glad she’s doing well

[@escalaregalia]

From a business perspective, it makes sense because they're enhancing their talent. Whether it be their mental health or communication skills.

[@ZakTheFallen]

Michi, Vshojo pretty much has to cover those expenses, considering what the other members have said and done on-stream. I think any of the staff watching a compilation of the more unhinged content, would realize that making sure the members are in good mental health is a priority.

[@Jmt1000XD]

Huh? What have they said on stream? Also, Vshojo doesn’t have to because there are many shitty companies here in America. Vshojo being this good is incredible actually.

[@guilguis4820]

VShojo pays for therapy for staff too. It's company policy to provide mental health for everyone in the company. They even highlighted it as one of the things they planned to do with the 11M in venture capital they raised.

[@Psydkik]

​@@guilguis4820I'm very glad

[@juampisito]

I mean, they know she was very successful even when she was from a forgotten branch with no promotion at all and she managed to survive in terrible working conditions. She could say whatever, but it was an extremely safe bet, she may be insecure or not know her potential but she has it and Vshojo knew, there was no risk at all.

[@AccessAccess]

B'cos it's closer to a trade union than a corporation.

[@vehlinge]

The clearly significant difference in michi's general demeanor now when compared with when she was with niji is still surprising to me(as a casual viewer). Side note: either not enough people have experienced what it's like in a retirement/nursing home or they are that butthurt (but why though?)by vshojo's success where that's in a majority of comments. I mean, mouse clearly told everyone this was the plan a good while ago with the whole university project/theme/lore stuff.

[@ectothermic]

All the damning confessions from Ex-Nijis. Damn. "I'm wired to wait for 3 months."

[@DonPatrono]

VSJ deffo learned from past mistakes (their and others) and decided to make a long term investment with the new batch...sure, supporting them ex novo is expensive at the beginning, but Holo, Idol, Phase and others have proven time again how a fulfilled and happy content creator is a veritable goldmine...so apart from the obviously based behavior from a human standpoint, they did recognize that, if those people could break bank in a stifling environment, what could they bring to the table in a nurturing one

[@MiguelPC_C]

To be fair, VShojo already knows what she's capable to do under a lot of pressure and restrictions so i doubt they were worried about whether she would be a success or not, they knew they would have no problem getting back everything back in no time now that she's free to do things her own way. This was not charity, pity or even a gamble, it was an investment they were sure would bring profit.

[@Fr.O.G.]

Title makes it look bad, but video proves it's awesome.

[@tcup4fun]

I kinda wanna work in vshojo now

[@baka_ja_nai]

Yep, as a manager every day would be so fulfilling. "Do it for her" meme, but unironically.

[@catnipdavesscratchingpost1422]

And they offer Better than 2 % merch

[@guilguis4820]

Geega has confirmed that their cut on merch is less than half and they produce and ship all of it.

[@dead-claudia]

@@guilguis4820and tbh that kind of thing was geega's biggest worry

[@daegograndynte2771]

​@@guilguis4820kson also say highest among all corpo. Else she already left.

[@LokiLiesGod]

@@guilguis4820 They also take no cut of merch that is made by the talent (like if a talent makes and sell merch themselves, like Nyanners used to, or stuff like Mouse's Apari collab). They only take a cut of merch and deals that they themselves bring to the talent (like the SMASH skins, for example).

[@bluesadowphoenix2285]

Vshojo outer doing the one thing that all companies should do

[@harleyjordan7959]

This is above average for a western company, but not crazy...

[@motwaaagh]

Vshojo putting the FUN back in dysFUNctional. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@DaJodad]

3:50 I mean do we not have an entire vtuber agency full of people who exactly fit this description!

[@KeterHirameki]

It's not like VShoujo does all that out of goodwill, they're hiring highly trained professionals that were at the top of the genre, they KNOW the value of their investment. That's what good employers do, they make good employees WANT to stay at their company.

[@FrarmerFrank]

Numbers,numbers,its all about the numbers 1) vSohjo is Invitation by vouch by at least 1 of the girls then they vote you in for the pitch (which Matara has admited she is the voucher for Michi......and she was pitched to at vSohjo JP along with Mint and "Rosie"...... Elira,Enna,and Millie was supposedly there too in Jan 2024 from their PL tweets between each other) 2) Michi hired vSohjo, not the other way around. The IP and the IP income(ad revenue,Super Chats,Memberships,subscriptions) is 100% hers after KZbin/Twitch cut. Their Merch,Promotion,and Legal Services is funded by Sponser Slush funds,50% of personal Sponsers they land for the talent,and 50% of Merch sales funded by Sponser slush funds (Ironmouse has talked about it the most including everyone having a quarterly budget for new models,new outfits and projects as a benifit/Perk of hiring vSohjo to manage your shit) 3) I'm guessing they wanted her to Lawyer up about the Sponser cut of 50% and Merchandise cut of 50%(which is negociable and why Silvervale,Vei,and Nyanners walked). If Hershey's wanted to Sponser Henya for $5000 a month,as an example, vSohjo as her Management Agency would get $2500 of that a month as their fee. Likewise while making of Merchandise is slush funded by Sponsers,for helping making the merchadise and dealing with lagistics and stuff(like flying to Asia) vSohjo gets 50% of the profits of the Merch as their fee

[@leocoelho4536]

I'd put money on Vshojo just because they treat the girls and boy right and make them happy to be entertainers

[@michaelklim8277]

If Vshojo was the norm, there would be world peace.

[@KDannXII]

Gunrun: saves abused vtubers Sakana: saves mentally ill vtubers

[@SombreroGato]

Gunrun and Sakana mustof really fought over Michi then cuz she's both lol

[@jerbjerbjerb5912]

*saves abused vtubers and get them to therapy so sakana cant snatch them

[@DarkNight9957]

I want to get adopted by Vshojo too!🤯🤯

[@jameslewis2635]

I know that there has been some drama in the past but Vshojo seems like such a good employer, especially in comparison to Kurosanji!

[@THETexzilla]

Dr. Yacht: NYEH-HEH-HEHH, Gunrun! My operation is worth billions of dollars and I get all the fresh talent and squeeze all the profitability out of them with spending next to nothing on support or human resources! You can't compete with me! NYEH-HEH-HEH!!! Gunrun: Have you ever danced with The Devil in the pale moonlight? Dr. Yacht: Huh? Gunrun: I haven't, but she's nice to talk to, as is the talent I keep poaching from you. I just like saying it.

[@jtosety]

Lol, there are some investments that get made based on instinct and investing in a talent the way she is describing is how you create loyalty and inspire hard work. Her feeling of indebtedness is the normal response and she is going to pay them back 10000x over just by her hard work (and still feel like she owes them more)

[@elixxon]

This is most likely because Vei had issues later from not consulting with a lawyer before signing her contract.

[@Sybato]

Why would an agency not hire you because you use their company benefits? This is like trying to pay back your parents for raising you. You aren't going to be able to do it, you can try, but you are't going to be able to do it. It's simply too much to pay back, just don't worry about it and live your life (or in this case stream) to the fullest to pay them back.

[@IceMarsoc77]

So Michi i know about the past, believe it or not most honest and good companies will invest in their employees, whether its therapy, welfare or legal advice or they will recommend a lawyer for legal advice. Companies like VSHOJO and HoloLive eco this mentality and willingness to spend money for its talents, b/c to them they aren't just a name on the spreadsheet, but also an investment in life. Think of it this way VSHOJO or Hololive is the parent, the talents are the kids, the parents will invest in education, keep them clothed and fed and willing to spend money to ensure the kid is healthy, physically, but most importantly mentally healthy. The fact that VSHOJO choose you shows they see your potential and that you are worth the time and money spent to keep your healthy and happy to stream and play.

[@demottt]

Vshojo isn't about keeping yachts afloat, it's about the welfare of the creators that make the company go around. Of course there's positive revenue, but that's invested in the next creators. Of course Gunrun and others are paid well, but they aren't starting their own banks any time soon.

[@Ardeleus]

I feel like how Vshojo works they can afford to just absolutely blow hell amounts of investment because 1. They got big hitting vtubers that rake in humongous profits (literally the top Twitch streamer overall not even for specifically vtubers is IN VSHOJO) 2. The talents they collect are all big hitters (or nepotism) They know the capabilities of the talents they're hiring very well

[@Starrky923]

8:39 kinda crazy hearing that after the whole "asian vtuber contracts being the worst contracts for worker" thing

[@WillTBear1]

How does Gunrun walk around hauling those massive balls of his?